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deadparrot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-23-06 04:28 PM
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Watchdog Group Questions 2004 Fla. Vote
WEST PALM BEACH, Fla. - An examination of Palm Beach County's electronic voting machine records from the 2004 election found possible tampering and tens of thousands of malfunctions and errors, a watchdog group said Thursday.

Bev Harris, founder of BlackBoxVoting.org, said the findings call into question the outcome of the presidential race. But county officials and the maker of the electronic voting machines strongly disputed that and took issue with the findings.

Voting problems would have had to have been widespread across the state to make a difference. President Bush won Florida — and its 27 electoral votes — by 381,000 votes in 2004. Overall, he defeated John Kerry by 286 to 252 electoral votes, with 270 needed for victory.

BlackBoxVoting.org, which describes itself as a nonpartisan, nonprofit citizens group, said it found 70,000 instances in Palm Beach County of cards getting stuck in the paperless ATM-like machines and that the computers logged about 100,000 errors, including memory failures.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060223/ap_on_el_pr/florida_voting
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roseBudd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-23-06 04:30 PM
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1. DUers rate this a 5 on yahoo!
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stop the bleeding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-23-06 04:32 PM
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2. NOTE TO MSM - THIS IS NEWS THAT WAS IMPORTANT IN NOV. 2004
NOT NOW - MY HEAD IS GONNA EXPLODE - THESE PEOPLE JUST DON'T EVER GET IT.:grr::grr::grr::grr:
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-24-06 12:21 PM
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35. But our own Bevie made it ridiculous then, so mot just MSM's fault
Keith Olberman was covering it, so dir Randi. It was big on DU too. Then Bev happened - you know, the same who then went to the freepers and declared that "both parties were trying to steal it"
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stop the bleeding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-24-06 12:31 PM
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36. How can I forget those first few days after the 2004 election were
coated in haze of war, yes I do remember the K.O. spot, he was our only REAL coverage out of the MSM. As far as this not being the MSM's fault I beg to differ, they let this story and the others like it die just like they let us be lead off to war without questioning the administration. No the MSM deserted us on this as well as many other issues, they all should be fired.

All of these reports are too late, even the GAO's report went off without a peep from the MSM, they are useless.

The media needs to go and research a guy by the name of Thomas Jefferson if they really would like to know what function their jobs really hold. But I won't hold my breath on it - cause the MSM doesn't even know what the word research means or much less has the fortitude to question anything that comes it's way, especially from the WH.
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-24-06 05:27 PM
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39. But she insulted Olberman , Randi Rhodes and DU-ers working on it
including good people in Florida who could have helped. (Carol Roberts)
My point was not so much to defend MSM as to remind people that this story was starting to spread but was killed by backstabbing. So, I won't even listen to anything that has blackbox on it, because I am not sure when the manic phase will come, yank the story and turn freeper. Sorry.
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RagingInMiami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-23-06 04:33 PM
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3. Excellent
The AP is finally telling me what I've known from the moment Bush was announced the winner of Florida's 27 electoral votes.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-23-06 04:45 PM
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6. I guess this report makes the AP dissidents now --
Edited on Thu Feb-23-06 04:46 PM by sfexpat2000
a label they casually chucked at us that November.
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ItsTheMediaStupid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-23-06 05:12 PM
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7. I'm proud to be a dissident if the alternative is Vichycrat
nm
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-23-06 05:57 PM
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11. Yes. The whole "informed citizenry" deal seems to be off the table.
For now. :evilgrin:
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Amaryllis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-23-06 05:33 PM
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10. Many knew if before the election, just reading about what was happening in
FL and OH on the verified voting website. Completely predictable.
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VegasWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-23-06 04:34 PM
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4. Until the democrat "leadership" gets serious about "blackbox" voting
this will continue to happen. They are either incompetent or they are impotent with regard to the "blackbox" voting issues. In either case, they should be voted out of office if they can't address the issue.
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Vincardog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-23-06 04:38 PM
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5. How ya going to do that with Them counting the votes?
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VegasWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-23-06 06:03 PM
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13. The system needs to be open, regulated and validated. You know,
like your ATM transactions. There is no justification for anything less.
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Vincardog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-24-06 12:00 AM
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18. Fine with me. What are you going to do?
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Maraya1969 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-24-06 12:26 AM
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19. In 2006 I am going to demand a paper receipt of my vote and I am
going to encourage our Democratic committee here to have all the residents in FLorida provided with carbon copied paper votes.

I am not sure how to go about the details but damn it I will not be part of one more fraud election.

I believe the people will go along with this. If they don't want it they'd better have some really good reason why.
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Vincardog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-24-06 12:11 PM
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33. Excuse me but a receipt is not what is required. A paper BALLOT
is what is required, preferably a Voter Verified Paper Ballot. You can get one by voting Absentee. You should have no problem doing that in The sunshine state unless you share a last name with a felon. Good luck getting a clean vote count.
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Maraya1969 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-24-06 01:11 PM
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37. Yea well who was the one who said it could be like an ATM. How
about 2 copies and both are checked by the voter, (one is put in the box)
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-24-06 12:33 AM
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20. Therein lies the problem
Edited on Fri Feb-24-06 12:38 AM by depakid
The so called "leadership" isn't serious about anything that I can see. They allow members of their party to go on TV and legitimize their opponents extemism- they routinely allow their members to vote with the Republicans. All without consequences.

As a result- there's no opposition party.

Under the curcumstances- I see no reason why the far right should give in on any issue at all. Rig the damn voting machines. What are the Dems going to do about it?

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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-23-06 05:20 PM
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8. Kick and Nom! nt
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-23-06 05:25 PM
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9. Send this to the NYT public editor immediately.
That office PROMISED to report the story when "facts" were found.:sarcasm:

[email protected]

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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-23-06 05:57 PM
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Mithras61 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-23-06 06:03 PM
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14. Think again...
Any one of SEVERAL states would have tipped the balance. If you take FL's 27 votes OUT of *'s column and put them into Kerry's column, Kerry would have won with 279 EC votes (270 are needed to win).
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-23-06 11:51 PM
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17. 31 states "won" x 110K votes = 3,410.000 "mandate"
Less than 110LK in states that might get scrutinized, and the extra made up in states that would never be questioned....

The had the numbers in place for the mandate and then the final tweaks in Ohio & Florida (which was an IN-YOUR-FACE move, since everyone knew those states would be the battleground.)

They are so confident with their Electronic Voterigger software, they can get close enough to be believed in the "necessary" states, and create a "margin" in safe states..

They only need the actual voters, fo photo-op purposes..
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UrbScotty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-23-06 06:31 PM
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15. K&R (nt)
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garybeck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-23-06 10:45 PM
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16. kr
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-24-06 12:34 AM
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21. What's really significant: 1. Most "lost" votes were Dem, and 2. the
machines were not "reliable."

I note that there is now more news on the issue of voting machine unreliability, but I want to see them admit that it was "magically" DEM votes that were overwhelmingly the majority "lost." No mere "unreliability" could cause that, only premeditated conspiracy and fraud.
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Janice325 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-24-06 01:12 AM
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22. Ummm, not to stir the pot or anything...
but my initial reaction is why is this hitting the news JUST NOW, when many of us already knew about BBV and Florida way back then?
PS I know all the "backstory," if ya'll get my drift.(I even donated once).
Yikes.
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Pachamama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-24-06 01:17 AM
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23. I'm glad to hear this has been finally brought up-Just wish it was someone
other than Bev Harris....

Lets just hope that her ego and drive for attention atleast helps her push real hard to get attention on this matter and that its for the good of the cause, not for the good of herself.

Honestly, I would have rather seen someone else, like say our dear departed Andy... :hug:
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JMDEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-24-06 01:19 AM
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24. Watchdog group?
Or junkyard dog group?

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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-24-06 06:18 PM
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43. Back from Free Republic - by popular demand of....no one.
Edited on Fri Feb-24-06 06:21 PM by robbedvoter
From December 2004:
Update: SUNDAY, DEC. 5, 2004: Black Box Voting is honing in on seven
investigations right now. To the surprise of some, five of the counties
we are investigating are Democratic. A national investigation we are
doing trends Republican. Our members just want clean elections. We want
answers, not theories, statistics, or potentialities, and therefore we
are concentrating on areas which have anomalies, and where we believe
we can get the facts.
http://www.blackboxvoting.org/
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Ellipsis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-24-06 01:24 AM
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25. All for one, and one for all! n/t
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-24-06 02:14 AM
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26. Dupe
Edited on Fri Feb-24-06 02:14 AM by Canuckistanian
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-24-06 02:14 AM
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27. Palm Beach County
Isn't that where all the mcmansions are? Where Limbaugh hisself lives?

Where Mannthrax bought a house to escape a stalker?
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eomer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-24-06 07:29 AM
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28. The details, as posted by Bev Harris...
The details, as posted by Bev Harris on blackboxvoting.org, who gave permission to reprint in full with attribution, so here it is:

Posted on Thursday, February 23, 2006 - 08:49 pm:

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
The internal logs of at least 40 Sequoia touch-screen voting machines reveal that votes were time and date-stamped as cast two weeks before the election, sometimes in the middle of the night.

Black Box Voting successfully sued former Palm Beach County (FL) Supervisor of Elections Theresa LePore to get the audit records for the 2004 presidential election.

After investing over $7,000 and waiting nine months for the records, Black Box Voting discovered that the voting machine logs contained approximately 100,000 errors. According to voting machine assignment logs, Palm Beach County used 4,313 machines in the Nov. 2004 election. During election day, 1,475 voting system calibrations were performed while the polls were open, providing documentation to substantiate reports from citizens indicating the wrong candidate was selected when they tried to vote.

Another disturbing find was several dozen voting machines with votes for the Nov. 2, 2004 election cast on dates like Oct. 16, 15, 19, 13, 25, 28 2004 and one tape dated in 2010. These machines did not contain any votes date-stamped on Nov. 2, 2004.

You can find the complete set of raw voting machine event logs for Palm Beach County here: http://www.bbvforums.org/forums/messages/2197/6628.html
Note that some items were not provided to us and are ommitted from the logs.

The logs rule out the possibility that these were Logic & Accuracy (L&A) test results, and verified that these results did appear in the final totals. In addition to the date discrepancies, most had incorrect polling times, with votes appearing throughout the wee hours of the night. These machines were L&A tested, and the L&A test activities appeared in the logs with the correct date and time.

According to the voting machine assignment log, these machines were not assigned to early voting locations. The number of votes on each machine also corresponds with the numbers typical of polling place machines rather than early voting.

Many of these machines showed unexplained log activity after the L&A test but before Election Day. In addition, many more machines without date anomalies showed this log activity, which revealed someone powering up the machine, opening the program, then powering it down again. In one instance, the date discrepancy appeared when someone accessed the machine two minutes after the L&A test was completed.

Voting machines are computers, and computers have batteries that can cause date and time discrepancies, but it does not appear that these particular discrepancies could have been caused by battery problems.

The evidence indicates that someone accessed the computers after the L&A and before the election, and that this access caused a change in the machine's reporting functions, at least for date and time. Such access would take a high degree of inside access. It is not known whether any other changes were introduced into the voting machines at this time. As learned in the Hursti experiments, it is possible for an insider to access the machines and leave no trace, but sometimes a hasty or clumsy access (such as forgetting to enter a correct date/time value when altering a record) will leave telltale tracks.

For another example of time discrepancies, see the Volusia County poll tapes

Approximately 4,000 votes were cast on these machines. The vote pattern and activity pattern appears to be identical to typical patterns found on Election Day -- All votes on the discrepant machines were spread over a 12-hour period, the length of time the Florida polls are open.

A member of the Palm Beach County electronic voting technical committee asked for the names of the technicians for Palm Beach who had access to the machines during that time, but the IT person, Jeff Darden, remained silent and never answered the question.

The Palm Beach County Supervisor of Elections, Arthur Anderson, said that his staff had looked into the problem and that the votes were normal, it's just that the dates somehow changed.

Other anomalies
http://www.bbvforums.org/forums/messages/2197/6627.html (Anomaly info)

• "Card Stuck" error: Occured at least 70,000 times.

The logs show that these cards were placed in the machine (which normally "swallows" the card like old-fashioned ATM machines, holding the card inside until the voting activites are complete, then ejecting it). The logs show that the card was authenticated, indicating that the machine believed the card was valid and had retrieved the appropriate ballot. Just before the vote was cast, the "card stuck" error appeared.

According to Michelle Shafer, who is now the spokesperson for Sequoia Voting Systems, a card stuck error stuck error appears "any time an activation card makes contact with the activator in the electronic voting unit and comes back out. This happens for the following reasons:

• A voter does not push the card all the way in so it comes back out
• A voter inserts the card again after having already used it to vote once...
• A voter inserts the card backwards
• The card actually gets stuck in the machine (not typical)

Previously, a Sequioa rep attributed the card stuck error to jiggling the card while it is inserted, however that doesn't seem to hold up since it would take a pair of tweezers and considerable manual dexterity to jiggle it.

As to putting the card in backwards or upside down, the message that normally appears is probably the "invalid card insertion" message. Because of the high number of these errors, and because no reports were produced indicating that any voters had reported the card popping out while they were trying to vote, Black Box Voting recommended to Palm Beach that testing should be done to replicate the error, making sure that the explanation holds water and that there is no adverse impact on the vote.

A member of the Committee asked whether a testing day could be set up, but Jeff Darden again sat silent, and despite some prodding, no such testing appears to be on the horizon.

• AC Power Off Incidents Any of us who use computers know that it is not a good idea to yank the power from your machine while you are entering mission-critical data, especially without a backup. (The Palm Beach voting machines lack voter verified paper trails.)

Dozens of voting machines were turned off during the middle of the election while the polls were open. Machine # 6359 in precinct 1036 was powered down 128 times during the election.

Other power-related issues included "Main Battery not charging" and "backup battery too low".

• "Unknown event" messages

A handful of machines showed "unknown event" messages, apparently of different kinds. This is an interesting error message, since the FEC guidelines frown on undefined exceptions. What is the point of having an error message if you don't reveal anything about what the error is?

Machine number 5875 in Precinct 1077 showed two different "unknown errors," listing them as "unknown error 219" and "unknown error 220."

• auto-act election info bad and "auto-act write ver fail" messages also show up in the logs, with the "election info bad" message appearing hundreds of times.

• Card encryption bad and Card read fail errors also appeared, with the encryption error message the more frequent of the two.

• Polls closed and results report messages would be expected to appear on every voting machine at the end of the voting cycle, but these revealed problems with poll worker training and procedures at the administrative/training level. Some logs reported one report printed, some two, three, four or five, and several not only had no results tape printed but showed no closing of the polls. (Closing the polls tells the voting machine not to accept any more votes).

• Simulation not sim task was a message that offered no ready explanation, and another that left us wondering was the "Maint Official AT Report" error. Call a maintenance official? Maintain an official AT report?

• SyErr 23: RC/AT Verify
and Sys Err 31: Vote Not Rec 1 imply a system error of some type, at least one of which would affect the vote.

• EEPROM failure
Now this is a message you don't want to see on a voting machine. It happened a couple dozen times. It is somewhat akin to seeing a "hard disk failure" message on your computer -- not a good thing at all if you are in the process of entering critical time-sensitive data.

The logs indicate that poll workers used significantly different operating procedures from one place to another. One of the least desirable actions some poll workers were taking was to perform multiple calibrations on the machines during the day, every few hours.

Hundreds of records were simply missing, not provided at all, making it impossible to complete a formal audit.

After meeting with the authorities to determine protocols about releasing the detailed report, Black Box Voting plans to publish a detail report giving full log details on the 40 machines accessed by an insider.

Sequoia machines - locations

Sequoia touch-screens are also used in Pinellas County (FL), Riverside, San Bernardino and Santa Clara countis (CA), New Mexico, New Jersey, and formerly in Snohomish County (WA).

A sampling of Palm Beach precincts with votes appearing on wrong date/time

Precinct 3066 machine #8438 counted Oct. 15
Precinct 3068 machine #8490 Counted Oct. 28
Precinct 3086 machine #8316 counted Oct 14
Precinct 2132 machine #7441 counted Oct. 15
Precinct 6006 machine #7914 counted Oct. 14
Precinct 6018 machine #7877 counted Oct. 14
Precinct 4068 machine #8997 counted Oct. 16
Precinct 5142 machine #9724 counted Oct 18
Precinct 2072 machine #6848 counted Oct. 15
Precinct 4140 machine #9289 counted Oct. 17
Precinct 4084 machine #8101 counted Oct. 17

PERMISSION TO REPRINT GRANTED, WITH LINK TO http://www.blackboxvoting.org
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AzDar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-24-06 08:58 AM
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29. So it was Florida which essentially handed Shrub BOTH of his
illegitimate pResidencies, which have brought so much anguish, horror, and suffering to the world.
Ma(Barker)Bush must be so proud that her devil's-spawn are working so NICELY together....
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oc2002 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-24-06 09:41 AM
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30. ..interesting, but not going anywhere..

there seems no interest in the congress to investigate, there is no federal investigation of the election, there is no agency that regulates these machines, there is nothing to stop this from going on and on and on.

welcome to AmeriKa!

it does not mater who gets the votes, but who Counts them!
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-24-06 10:09 AM
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31. And the results were massive electronic vote switching from Kerry to *
in the most heavily Democratic counties
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x394721

What a lucky coincidence for the Bush team!
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-24-06 11:33 AM
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32. Has everone read the GAO Report on Electronic Voting?
**The GAO Report on Electronic Voting Machines

The GAO recently released a 107 page scathing report on Electronic Voting Machines in our country. The report states that Electronic Voting Machines in the U.S. are NOT SECURE, NOT ACCOUNTABLE, NOT TRANSPARENT, NOT ACCURATE, AND ARE UNCERTIFIABLE. A bipartisan panel which included both Republican Congressman James Sensenbrenner (R-WI) and Democratic Congressman John Conyers (D-MI) released a joint news release (a true rarity in these days of divisive politics) regarding his report, yet the main stream media has ignored it's important findings. Here is a link to the GAO Report:

http://www.gao.gov/highlights/d05956high.pdf

WHY HAVEN'T THE DEMS SCREAMED FOUL ABOUT THIS? I attended a Progressive Dem Club Meeting in a wealthy outer ring suburb of Columbus last night and I was surprised to hear group members frustration with the Dem Party and their lack of attention to this issue. I was surprised to hear it was because "both parties are guilty of vote stealing-it's been going on for years". I will honestly say that I did not witness one iota of this with the Kerry campaign. I would have not supported it, had I witnessed it. Regardless of what party has stolen votes in the past, the time has come to clean up our system and expose the corruption-then safe guard our electoral system with verifiable voting. We are not going away so perhaps it's time for the Dems to join us.

PAPER NOT VAPOR!

HONEST VERIFIABLE ELECTIONS THAT REFLECT THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE!
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-24-06 12:19 PM
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34. Unfortunately, Bev compromised this with her antics. KO, Randi, DU
Edited on Fri Feb-24-06 12:19 PM by robbedvoter
know exactly how it happened, so I don't need more blackbox "heroics"
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-24-06 04:17 PM
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38. It doesn't matter, as long as she keeps delivering.
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-24-06 05:28 PM
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40. She delivered us to the freepers - said Dems were stealing it
Can you spell credibility?
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Prisoner_Number_Six Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-24-06 05:49 PM
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41. Lemme guess.....
She has a new book ready to come out?
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-24-06 06:17 PM
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42. Free Republic must've kicked her out - back to the "rats" she goes
Edited on Fri Feb-24-06 06:23 PM by robbedvoter
I'll never forgive her taking Florida fraud off the table in the public debate - limited as it was!
Blast from the past:

BevHarris
Member since Jul-11-03
1718 posts Dec-03-04, 10:17 PM (PST)
 
8. "Please do not bash 'freepers' -- here's why"
In response to message #7
 
   that is a term that comes from Free Republic, a political forum. Free Republic has had some outstanding discussions on voting machine integrity in the past. I have gotten some good consultation from "freepers."

We are nonpartisan. Everyone who's not a criminal wants clean elections. One of our board members, Jim March, has done some fantastic work on this issue, and I guess you'd describe him as a "freeper" -- he's a gun lobbyist who supports George Bush.

You may be very surprised at who's in our corner on this issue. In fact, George Bush ordered my book, had it overnighted.

Thanks.

Bev
http://thoughtcrimes.org/bushbought.htm
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Fredda Weinberg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-24-06 08:47 PM
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44. Going over like a lead balloon
See this story?

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/politics/content/local_news/epaper/2006/02/24/s3b_voting_0224.html

I know the reporter; he's been following the DRE story since PBC installed the infernal machines. If he's not impressed, neither should we.
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