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Jara sang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-02-06 03:10 PM
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Congressman subpoenaed for 9/11 trial
http://www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/02/02/weldon.supboena/

Thursday, February 2, 2006; Posted: 2:31 p.m. EST (19:31 GMT)

Weldon asked to testify about what U.S. knew before attacks

NEW YORK (CNN) -- Attorneys for al Qaeda conspirator Zacarias Moussaoui have subpoenaed Pennsylvania Congressman Curt Weldon to testify at a trial that will determine whether Moussaoui should be executed.

The defense is seeking Weldon's testimony to try and show that the government knew more about the September 11, 2001, attacks than Moussaoui did.

It's a key point the jury will be asked to address at the death penalty trial that begins next week with jury selection.

Weldon, a Republican, received the subpoena last week. It seeks testimony about issues related to Able Danger, a secret pre-9/11 intelligence operation conducted by the Department of Defense.

What did U.S. know?
Weldon, vice chairman of the House Armed Services Committee, contends that Able Danger mined computer data to identify four of the 19 hijackers, including leader Mohammed Atta, as al Qaeda operatives a year and a half before the September 11 attacks.


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arcane1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-02-06 03:12 PM
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1. hmmm....
this could get interesting...

let me guess, Bush will offer Moussaoui's prosecuter a cushy Judgeship?
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frylock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-02-06 03:17 PM
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2. let's start skinning this onion and see what's revealed..
I'm sure Rep. Weldon won't be allowed to testify, in the name of national security.
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meganmonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-02-06 03:19 PM
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3. I love it
Weldon needs to watch himself though, bushco can get very nasty if it doesn't like someone :nuke:
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entanglement Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-02-06 03:41 PM
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7. Yes, small planes and all that
n/t
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Jara sang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-02-06 04:56 PM
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12. This story was completely buried on the CNN website.
In fact it isn't anywhere on the CNN 'frontpage'.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-02-06 03:21 PM
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4. Didn't this admin put the kibosh on any 'Able Danger' info
Edited on Thu Feb-02-06 03:23 PM by babylonsister
that was to be released/investigated? I hope these attorneys can get around that.

Edit to add Weldon's speech on Able Danger, from this thread:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=5117269

Curt Weldon's House floor speech on ABLE DANGER


Edited on Thu Oct-20-05 06:23 PM by seemslikeadream


ABLE DANGER FAILURE -- (House of Representatives - October 19, 2005)
GPO's PDF
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The SPEAKER pro tempore (Mr. Reichert). Under the Speaker's announced policy of January 4, 2005, the gentleman from Pennsylvania (Mr. Weldon) is recognized for 60 minutes.

Mr. WELDON of Pennsylvania. Mr. Speaker, I rise tonight to talk to our colleagues and through our colleagues to the American people about an issue that troubles me greatly.

I have been in this institution 19 years, and during those 19 years I have been on the Committee on Armed Services. Currently, I am the vice chairman of that committee and chairman of the subcommittee that oversees the purchase of our weapons systems. In the past I have chaired the research subcommittee. I have chaired the readiness subcommittee, and I have spent every available hour of my time working to make sure that our military troops were properly protected and have the proper equipment and training.

I am a strong supporter of our military. Whether it was in the last 2 years of the Reagan administration, the four years of the Bush administration, the 8 years of the Clinton administration, or the current administration of President George W. Bush, I have been a strong supporter of our military. I am a strong supporter of President Bush. I campaigned for him. I am a strong supporter of Secretary Rumsfeld. I say all of that, Mr. Speaker, because tonight I rise to express my absolute outrage and disgust with what is happening in our defense intelligence agencies.

Mr. Speaker, back in 1999 when I was Chair of the defense research subcommittee, the Army was doing cutting-edge work on a new type of technology to allow us to understand and predict emerging transnational terrorist threats. That technology was being done at several locations, but was being led by our Special Forces Command. The work that they were doing was unprecedented. And because of what I saw there, I supported the development of a national capability of a collaborative center that the CIA would just not accept.

In fact, in November 4 of 1999, 2 years before 9/11, in a meeting in my office with the Deputy Secretary of Defense, Deputy Director of the CIA, Deputy Director of the FBI, we presented a nine-page proposal to create a national collaborative center. When we finished the brief, the CIA said we did not need that capability, and so before 9/11 we did not have it.

When President Bush came in after a year of research, he announced the formation of the Terrorism Threat Integration Center, exactly what I had proposed in 1999. Today it is known as the NCTC, the National Counterterrorism Center. But, Mr. Speaker, what troubles me is not the fact that we did not take those steps.

What troubles me is that I now have learned in the last 4 months that one of the tasks that was being done in 1999 and 2000 was a top-secret program organized at the request of the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, carried out by the general in charge of our Special Forces Command, a very elite unit focusing on information regarding al Qaeda. It was a military language effort to allow us to identify the key cells of al Qaeda around the world and to give the military the capability to plan actions against those cells so they could not attack us as they did in 1993 at the Trade Center, at the Khobar Towers, the U.S.S. Cole attack, and the African embassy bombings.

What I did not know, Mr. Speaker, up until June of this year, was that that secret program called Able Danger actually identified the Brooklyn cell of al Qaeda in January and February of 2000, over 1 year before 9/11 every happened. In addition, I learned that not only did we identify the Brooklyn cell of al Qaeda, but we identified Mohamed Atta as one of the members of that Brooklyn cell along with three other terrorists who were the leadership of the 9/11 attack.

I have also learned, Mr. Speaker, that in September of 2000, again, over 1 year before 9/11, that Able Danger team attempted on three separate occasions to provide information to the FBI about the Brooklyn cell of al Qaeda, and on three separate occasions they were denied by lawyers in the previous administration to transfer that information.

Mr. Speaker, this past Sunday on ``Meet the Press,'' Louis Freeh, FBI Director at the time, was interviewed by Tim Russert. The first question to Louis Freeh was in regard to the FBI's ability to ferret out the terrorists. Louis Freeh's response, which can be obtained by anyone in this country as a part of the official record, was, Well, Tim, we are now finding out that a top-secret program of the military called Able Danger actually identified the Brooklyn cell of al Qaeda and Mohammed Atta over a year before 9/11.

And what Louis Freeh said, Mr. Speaker, is that that kind of actionable data could have allowed us to prevent the hijackings that occurred on September 11.

So now we know, Mr. Speaker, that military intelligence officers working in a program authorized by the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, the general in charge of Special Forces Command, identified Mohammed Atta and three terrorists a year before 9/11, tried to transfer that information to the FBI were denied; and the FBI Director has now said publicly if he would have had that information, the FBI could have used it to perhaps prevent the hijackings that struck the World Trade Center, the Pentagon, and the plane that landed in Pennsylvania and perhaps saved 3,000 lives and changed the course of world history.

Mr. Speaker, I rise tonight because we have been trying to get the story out about Able Danger and what really happened. Unfortunately, Mr. Speaker, I have to rise tonight to tell you that as bad as this story is, and as bad as it is that the data was not transferred to the FBI, and as bad as it is that the 9/11 Commission totally ignored this entire story and referred to it as historically insignificant even though it was authorized by the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, even though Louis Freeh has now said it could have provided information to prevent the attack against us, the 9/11 Commission ignored it. Not because the commissioners ignored it, but because someone at the staff level on the

9/11 Commission staff decided for whatever reason that they did not want to pursue the Abel Danger story.

Mr. Speaker, in August and September I met with the military officials involved with Abel Danger and one by one they told their story, until, Mr. Speaker, leaders in the Defense Intelligence Agency, including the deputy director, decided they do not want the story told. I think because they perhaps are fearful of being embarrassed and humiliated.

So what direction had they taken, Mr. Speaker?

They have gagged the military officers. They have prevented them from talking to any Member of Congress. They have prevented them from talking to the media. And the Defense Intelligence Agency has began a process to destroy the career and the life of Lieutenant Colonel Anthony Shaffer.

Now, it might be easy for us to ignore this, Mr. Speaker. We all have busy careers and worry about reelections every 2 years and worry about our own families and our jobs. But I cannot do that in this case and neither can this body, and neither can the other body. You see, Lieutenant Colonel Shaffer took an oath to defend our Constitution. He took the words ``duty, honor, country'' seriously and devoted 23 years of his life in four deployed intelligence operations of our military to protect America.

During the time he served our country, he has received the Bronze Star, an award that does not come easily, for showing acts of courage, leadership, and bravery in the course of his activities.




He has received public commendations from previous directors of the Defense Intelligence Agency, including General Patrick Hughes, including generals at Special Forces Command, and including Admiral Wilson of the Defense Intelligence Agency. He has received dozens of letters and commendations for his work. The laudatory comments I reviewed in his files are unbelievable.

But, you see, Mr. Speaker, there is a problem. The Deputy Director of the Defense Intelligence Agency was in a meeting with Lieutenant Colonel Shaffer almost a year before 9/11, and Lieutenant Colonel Shaffer showed him a disk in his office with information about al Qaeda and Mohammed Atta, and the Deputy Director of the Defense Intelligence Agency stopped the briefing and said, you cannot show me that. I do not want to see it. It might contain information I cannot look at.

Now, Tony Shaffer was not in the room alone, Mr. Speaker. There were other people, and we know their names. So we have witnesses. Now, the Deputy Director has denied that meeting and denied he was there and denied this particular story, but the fact is he knows that we are going to pursue it.

So what has happened to Lieutenant Colonel Shaffer, Mr. Speaker? The Defense Intelligence Agency has lifted his security clearance. One day before he was to testify before the Senate Committee on the Judiciary, in uniform, they permanently removed his security clearance. And now our Defense Intelligence Agency has told Colonel Shaffer's lawyer that they plan to seek a permanent removal of his pay and his health care benefits for him and his two children. Why, Mr. Speaker? Because Lieutenant Colonel Shaffer, like Commander Scott Philpot of the Navy, like J. D. Smith, and like a host of other Able Danger employees, has told the truth.

Now, Mr. Speaker, I sat here in the 1990s and I sat here during the 9/11 investigation and watched a ridiculous situation develop with Sandy Berger, the National Security Adviser under President Clinton. He walked into the National Archives before he was to testify before the 9/11 Commission looking through documents. He took documents out of the archives and stuffed them in his socks and pants so that no one would see them as he left the National Archives. Now, that is a felony, tampering with Federal documents and removing classified information regarding our security and information that the 9/11 commission needed to see.

Sandy Berger initially lied about it. He said he did not do it. Then he admitted it, and he was given a punishment. And, oh, by the way, his security clearance was temporarily lifted, but he will get it back again, for lying, for stealing, and for committing an act of outrage against our country's security. Lieutenant Colonel Shaffer, a Bronze Star 23-year military veteran, simply told the truth and now his life is being ruined.

His career is ended. He is no longer in military intelligence. They have taken his security clearance, and they are about to destroy him as a person. They are about to deny him the basic health care and the salary that he has earned, and they are doing it in this way. This is outrageous. It is evil. They do not want to fire Tony because they also do not want him to talk to the media. So by suspending him and removing his pay and his health care, they hurt him bad, but he cannot talk because he is under suspension and his lawyer has advised him that to talk to the media, to talk to Members of Congress, even when he is not being paid, would cause him further problems and totally prevent him from ever having this gross problem reversed. Mr. Speaker, this is outrageous. Mr. Speaker, this is not America.

Over my 19 years in Congress, I have led 40 delegations to the former Soviet Union. I have sat in the face of the Soviet Communists and confronted them on full transparency. I sat at the table with President Lukashenko of Belarus, who has been called by our Secretary of State the last dictator in Europe. I took both delegations to North Korea, Mr. Speaker, and sat across the table from Kim Gye Gwan and I told him we abhor the way they treat their people, the way they lie about what is happening, and the way they distort information.

Mr. Speaker, I took three delegations to Libya to meet with Qadhafi, and I told him that we are absolutely outraged at what Libya did in helping complete the Lockerbie bombing and the bombing of the Berlin nightclub.

You know, Mr. Speaker, I never thought I would have to take the floor of this Chamber and make the same statements about the Defense Intelligence Agency. As a supporter of the President, as a supporter of the military, Mr. Speaker, if we allow this to go forward, then we send the signal to every man and woman wearing a uniform that if you tell the truth, you will be destroyed if a career bureaucrat above you does not like what you are saying. If you tell the truth, we will take your health care benefits away from your kids. If you tell

the truth, we will ruin you.

Mr. Speaker, this is not America. Mr. Speaker, this is not what I have been told by Secretary Rumsfeld that we are doing with our troops in protecting them, in giving them the best equipment and the best training. This is not what I spend hours in committee hearings on. This sends the wrong signal to America's troops. It tells them, do not be honest. Do not respect the fact that you have to be truthful. If there is somebody that the truth offends, then you better be silent.

Mr. Speaker, I have today asked for an independent investigation of the Defense Intelligence Agency and their efforts at destroying Tony Shaffer's life. This is outrageous, Mr. Speaker. They trumped up charges against him. They said while he was overseas in Afghanistan, forward deployed, that he forwarded cell phone calls from his official phone to his personal phone; and when they checked that out, it ran up a cost to the taxpayers of about $60. The second verbal charge they gave him was that he went to a course at the Army War College and he got reimbursed for his travel, his mileage and tolls, 100-some dollars. And they said he received a commendation for which he was not entitled, even though it was signed by his commanding officer and the acting Secretary of the Army.

But they went beyond that, Mr. Speaker. They went beyond that with this man. They said he had $2,000 of debt, personal debt. Well, I would like to have every Pentagon employee tomorrow, I would like to have the senior leadership show us what debt they have in the Defense Intelligence Agency so we can make that public.

They even went to this length, Mr. Speaker: the Defense Intelligence Agency wrote in an official document that Lieutenant Colonel Shaffer stole public property. A serious charge. Well, when you check what that public property was, it was an assortment of pens, government pens. But what they did not say in the Defense Intelligence report was that he took those pens when he was 15 years of age and was with his father when he was on assignment at one of our embassy outposts. He took the pens to give to other students at the school when he was 15 years of age. And by the way, Mr. Speaker, it was Tony Shaffer himself who admitted to that thievery when he applied for his security clearance. So the Defense Intelligence Agency knew that during his entire career of 23 years, but they put that in the document against him.

This is a scandal, Mr. Speaker. It is an outrage. It is a travesty. Everyone that worked with Tony Shaffer, the Navy officers, the private citizens have all said the same thing. This is a scandal to get Tony Shaffer because he has told the truth.

Now, this Defense Intelligence Agency and this Deputy Director had the audacity to have their legal counsel send Tony Shaffer's lawyer a letter on September 23. I cannot put that letter in the RECORD because it is privileged information, but it will eventually come out. But in that letter, in the second to last paragraph, the legal counsel for the Defense Intelligence Agency says to Mr. Shaffer's lawyer, he cannot receive any more classified information from the Defense Intelligence Agency because I checked and his security clearances have all been removed. Therefore, he is not allowed to look at anything that is secret or confidential.

Now, that is a letter sent by the general counsel of the DIA on September 23 of this year. Two weeks later, Mr. Speaker, to show the stupidity of the Defense Intelligence Agency, they send seven packages to Mr. Shaffer's lawyer

GPO's PDF
of his personal belongings, which the Deputy Director of the DIA told my staff 3 months ago did not exist any more. And in those seven boxes, Mr. Speaker, were five classified memos. The Defense Intelligence Agency sent five classified memos to Lieutenant Colonel Shaffer, which they told him on September 23 he was not allowed to have access to.
Mr. Speaker, that is a felony; and I have asked the Inspector General and the legal officials to investigate and prosecute the Defense Intelligence officials who sent five classified documents through the mail or by hand delivery to Tony Shaffer.

In addition, Mr. Speaker, the Defense Intelligence Agency, in its absolute total stupidity, included in those boxes $500 worth of Federal property, including a multi-hundred dollar GPS system owned by the Federal Government, which they sent to Tony Shaffer, I guess to keep. They also sent, Mr. Speaker, 25 pens, brand new, and marked on them is ``Property of the U.S. Government.'' The Defense Intelligence Agency, in its absolute utter stupidity, sent Tony Shaffer Federal property which they accused him of taking when he was 15 years of age.

Mr. Speaker, there is something desperately wrong here. There is a bureaucracy in the Defense Intelligence Agency that is out of control. They want to destroy the reputation of a 23-year military officer, Bronze Star recipient, hero of our country, with two kids because people in defense intelligence are embarrassed at what is going to come out.

And what is going to come out, Mr. Speaker? Well, we are going to find out, Mr. Speaker, that that unit, Able Danger , not only identified Mohammed Atta before 9/11, not only did they try to pass that information to the FBI, not only was that large data destroyed in the summer of 2000, but now, Mr. Speaker, I can add a new dimension to this whole story. Yesterday, Mr. Speaker, I met with another Able Danger official. I was not aware of this official's knowledge because he does not live within the Beltway.

This official, Mr. Speaker, has impeccable credentials. I cannot reveal his name today. I will to any Member of this body, any of our colleagues that want to come to me, I will tell you privately who this official is, and you will agree with me when I tell you his name that he has impeccable credentials. This official yesterday, Mr. Speaker, in a meeting in my office, told me that he has never been talked to by the Pentagon. He has never been talked to by the Defense Intelligence Agency in their supposed investigation. He has never been talked to by the 9/11 Commission staff in their investigation; yet this official had a leadership position in Able Danger .

This official told me that there is a separate cache of information collected from over 20 Federal agencies in 1999 and 2000 on Able Danger that still may exist. Now, the Pentagon has told us all this material was destroyed, and now I have a senior official telling me there is a second pot of information that may well still exist.
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loudsue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-03-06 02:21 AM
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18. Thanks for that!! I had heard about it, but hadn't read the speech.
awesome. terrible.

:kick::kick::kick:
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wordpix2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-06-06 12:07 AM
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29. why the hell did FBI refuse to hear Able Danger's info under Clinton?

snip:
I have also learned, Mr. Speaker, that in September of 2000, again, over 1 year before 9/11, that Able Danger team attempted on three separate occasions to provide information to the FBI about the Brooklyn cell of al Qaeda, and on three separate occasions they were denied by lawyers in the previous administration to transfer that information.
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hang a left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-02-06 03:23 PM
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5. Like that will happen....
9-11 truth will never see the light of day. But WE know.
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dchill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-03-06 04:31 AM
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19. SOME of us here know...
but many others imitate the ostrich. In fact, this thread will probably soon be relegated (rendered?) to the September11 forim.
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sattahipdeep Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-02-06 03:39 PM
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6. ck this out...
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-02-06 04:11 PM
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11.  sattahipdeep could ya check that link?
It's not working for me :hi:
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sattahipdeep Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-03-06 07:33 AM
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20. Yes seemslikeadream....working
Edited on Fri Feb-03-06 07:45 AM by sattahipdeep
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-03-06 09:39 AM
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22. Thank you sattahipdeep
I miss you so much

White Owl Flies Into and Out of the Field

Coming down out of the freezing sky
with its depths of light,
like an angel, or a Buddha with wings,
it was beautiful, and accurate,
striking the snow and whatever was there
with a force that left the imprint
of the tips of its wings — five feet apart —
and the grabbing thrust of its feet,
and the indentation of what had been running
through the white valleys of the snow —
and then it rose, gracefully,
and flew back to the frozen marshes
to lurk there, like a little lighthouse,
in the blue shadows —
so I thought:
maybe death isn't darkness, after all,
but so much light wrapping itself around us —

as soft as feathers —
that we are instantly weary of looking, and looking,
and shut our eyes, not without amazement,
and let ourselves be carried,
as through the translucence of mica,
to the river that is without the least dapple or shadow,
that is nothing but light — scalding, aortal light —
in which we are washed and washed
out of our bones.

~ Mary Oliver ~





The day the music died, Feb. 3 1959
The sun is out
The sky is blue
There's not a cloud
To spoil the view
But it's raining

Raining In My Heart

The Weather Man
Says "Clear today"
He doesn't know
You've gone away
And it's raining
Raining In My Heart

Oh misery - misery
What's gonna become of me

I tell my blues
They mustn't show
But soon these tears
Are bound to flow
Cause it's raining
Raining In My Heart
Raining In My Heart
Raining In My Heart
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sattahipdeep Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-03-06 03:01 PM
Response to Reply #22
24. Remo Floats
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sattahipdeep Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-05-06 04:54 PM
Response to Reply #22
25. Thank~You~so much~seemslikeadream~
Edited on Sun Feb-05-06 05:00 PM by sattahipdeep
I hope to see you on the board Monday.

I want to step through the door full of curiosity, wondering;
what is it going to be like, that cottage of darkness?

And therefore I look upon everything
as a brotherhood and a sisterhood,
and I look upon time as no more than an idea,
and I consider eternity as another possibility,

and I think of each life as a flower, as common
as a field daisy, and as singular,

and each name a comfortable music in the mouth
tending as all music does, toward silence,

and each body a lion of courage, and something
precious to the earth.

When it's over, I want to say: all my life
I was a bride married to amazement.
I was a bridegroom, taking the world into my arms.

When it's over, I don't want to wonder
if I have made of my life something particular, and real.
I don't want to find myself sighing and frightened
or full of argument.

I don't want to end up simply having visited this world.

Mary Oliver

http://www.allspirit.co.uk/maryoliver.html
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savemefromdumbya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-02-06 03:49 PM
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8. Able video
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-02-06 03:54 PM
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9. If the executive "gags" him, can the court compel him anyway?
:shrug: I would think so although the hearing(s) would be closed and files sealed.

Fascinating.
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savemefromdumbya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-02-06 03:55 PM
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10. did you see the video of Weldon (see above)
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newscott Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-02-06 05:07 PM
Response to Original message
13. Can invoking the state secret or national security options
cause a mistrial?
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MiniMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-02-06 07:25 PM
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14. Did anybody else wonder how they identified the hijackers so quickly?
That has always bothered me. They had all 19 identified by that night, seems awfully quick if they had no idea this would happen. hmmmmmm
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Jester_11218 Donating Member (914 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-05-06 10:54 PM
Response to Reply #14
26. Black Ops Signature
A signature of a black operation is to have a cover story prepared. Usually the event is an excuse for establishing the cover story (legend) to be a truth.
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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-05-06 11:11 PM
Response to Reply #14
28. It's best to name your patsy's in advance. After they'd been wined and
dined on Abramoff's party boats courtesy of Jebby. Come on, the whole thing was a scam to get their war on. Weren't seven of the alleged hijackers alive and well on the teevee news several days later? Such BS. They set up a few guys to take the fall for this "new Pearl Harbor". Why do you think they disappeared the black boxes they found at WTC?

They HAD Dov Zakheim's auto pilot technology available to fly the planes into the buildings. He was the comptroller at the DOD when 1.5+ trillion went missing, wasn't he? Nice price.
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samhsarah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-02-06 08:18 PM
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15. K&R nt
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StrafingMoose Donating Member (742 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-02-06 08:30 PM
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16. and.......*drumroll*


This is where Weldon will dump the whole 9/11 - Enable Danger issue on two people: Jamie Gorelick and Dieter Snell!

I seriously hope this won't turn into another whitewhash.

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IChing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-03-06 01:53 AM
Response to Original message
17. Real Americans that belive in Science and that belief has no tolerance
in science, for belief in science has no judgement, except truth.

Will they read what physics taught them many years ago on the rate of fall of anything,
without being inhibited by the floor that fell before them

To make the Law of falling things.

Not Working?

Even for a 10th grade physics teacher understands what the laws or "theories" of science are.
Sorry Folks, read it and weep

I await the basement below the sewer in this forum

about this post.

where you should go and educate yourself.
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Ben Ceremos Donating Member (387 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-06-06 02:35 AM
Response to Reply #17
30. What?
Can you clearly state what you mean? Education involves communication skills, grammar, syntax, etc.
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-03-06 07:40 AM
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21. Executed For What?
Being Muslim? Being arrested by BushCo?

Doesn't there have to be some incontrovertible crime here?
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TNOE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-03-06 09:56 AM
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23. Wow
I really hope to see this go somewhere - but I can't help but feel pessimistic about it. But a big :kick: anyway!
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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-05-06 11:06 PM
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27. Yes. Let's take a closer look at 9-11. Thank you Moussaoui. You have
been trying to force the light onto these cockroaches in the Bush administration for a long time now. If he did bad, let's see who in the White House was playing along with these ALLEGED terrorists.
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