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Cooley Hurd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 10:07 AM
Original message
MSNBC Breaking: Al-Jazeera Airs New Bin Laden Tape
Edited on Thu Jan-19-06 11:02 AM by Cooley Hurd
...broadcast on Al Jazeera, being translated now by MSNBC translator, OBL promising new attacks on the US.

Also mentions Bush and his sinking poll numbers (on Iraq) :rofl:

Only link I can find (@ 10:22 am) is this:
Al-Jazeera Airs New Bin Laden Tape

POSTED: 10:08 am EST January 19, 2006
UPDATED: 10:17 am EST January 19, 2006

CAIRO, Egypt -- Al-Jazeera has aired an audiotape purportedly from Osama bin Laden, saying al-Qaida is making preparations for attacks in the United States but offering a truce to rebuild Iraq and Afghanistan.
</snip>

More info here:

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The voice on the tape said heightened security measures in the United States are not the reason there have been no attacks there since the Sept. 11, 2001, suicide hijackings.

Instead, the reason is because there are operations that need preparations, and you will see them, he said.

Based on what I have said, it is better not to fight the Muslims on their land, he said. We do not mind offering you a truce that is fair and long-term. ... So we can build Iraq and Afghanistan ... there is no shame in this solution because it prevents wasting of billions of dollars ... to merchants of war.
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hatrack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 10:08 AM
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1. Were bad poll numbers expected today?
:eyes:
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savemefromdumbya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 10:34 AM
Response to Reply #1
52. There must be something coming up about the Bush administration
some indictments maybe?
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katty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 01:04 PM
Response to Reply #52
146. Here we go again--drag out the Bin Laden puppet..old routine
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 10:59 AM
Response to Reply #1
98. When is the next vote to extend the Patriot Act?
That may be the key to this and the loud sabre rattling at Iran. My guess, Rove's calculated that he needs the confluence of multiple "crises" to give BushCo the absolute powers they need in time to avoid their own removal.
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 05:09 PM
Response to Reply #98
198. Ding-ding-ding! NEXT WEEK!
hot from True Majority:

http://action.truemajority.org/campaign/patriotact_team
As you know, the "USA Patriot Act", enacted in a rush after the 9/11 attacks, gives the Administration sweeping new powers to secretly search Americans' homes, to know what books were reading, and much more. And late last year your calls and messages to Congress helped stop a powerful push by the Administration and congressional leaders to make most of those changes to our liberties permanent.
The Patriot Act is coming back next week. The temporary extension to the act which Congress passed last month is about to run out, and moves will once more be afoot to set these sweeping government powers in stone.
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Selteri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 01:26 PM
Response to Reply #1
156. Cheney and Bush were giving speaches today about
how we have to perserverer against terrorists, beauitulf timing - I wonder if they used their voice morphing tech.
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radfringe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 04:42 PM
Response to Reply #1
194. booga-booga time folks
will a terra-lert be far behind? guess the happy-happy talk type speeches weren't working

Regarding poll numbers:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/polls.html

RCP Average 1/10 - 1/18
Approve 43.6%
Disapporve 52.8%
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MakeItSo Donating Member (351 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 08:40 PM
Response to Reply #1
218. YOU CAN FOOL ALL OF THE PEOPLE SOME OF THE TIME
and you can some of the people all of the time...

but you can't fool all of the people all of the time.

- Abe Lincoln


Just in case "the terrorists" end up actually doing something terrible (they are under the gun these days, on the defensive, in the corner) I recommend that we all START CARRYING DIGITAL STILL AND/OR VIDEO CAMERAS.

If God forbid something happens we should all be free and strong and courageous and snap the fuck away...get as many pictures as you possibly can, get to a safe secure place and distribute said images and/or video tape to law-abiding, constitution-respecting government authorities, if and when you can find any.

TRUTH POWER
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Hawkeye-X Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 10:08 AM
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2. Fat osama!
Wanna bet it's a fake?
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 10:13 AM
Response to Reply #2
14. Fat Osama--yes, I remember him well...


:eyes:
rocknation
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Virginian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 10:49 AM
Response to Reply #14
81. It looks like fat osama had a nose job. n/t
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Up2Late Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 02:47 PM
Response to Reply #81
174. But he has the same Hat!!! That's enough for me!
:sarcasm:

Funny how we are all just supposed to except that this well funded terrorist organization can't afford a decent MiniDV or D8 video camera, or a good (audio) quality tape recorder.:eyes:

This is so ridiculous, good thing Peter Burgen just published a New book about Bin Laden.
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Carni Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 11:16 AM
Response to Reply #14
106. Is the guy on the left supposed to be him?
Seriously--please tell me that they aren't trying to play that photo off as him.

Although who knows what the guy looks like (if he actually exists!)

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oblivious Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 01:28 PM
Response to Reply #106
158. Basically, that fat Osama is the only proof Bin Ladin was behind 911.
Edited on Thu Jan-19-06 01:28 PM by oblivious
In other interviews Osama denied it. In the end people keep going back to "the video" where he admitted it and laughed about it. But it obviously wasn't him.

We were had folks. But people just NEED to believe what their governments tell them.
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Carni Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 05:22 PM
Response to Reply #158
200. I would say so!
They must have gotten that *fat Ossama* from the same lame actors pool that the *fat Saddam* who was shown sashaying around Baghdad shaking hands and kissing his subjects came from!

Saddam is a germophobe and that definitely wasn't him!
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Selteri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 01:27 PM
Response to Reply #14
157. And the difference between the two...
Fat Osama wears a wedding band and gold watch, skinny Osama wore neither. Fat Osama admitted to the WTC, skinny said he's innocent.
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montana_hazeleyes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 07:16 PM
Response to Reply #14
216. Is the one on the left supposed to be bin laden????
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-20-06 09:43 AM
Response to Reply #14
236. More on Fat Osama
The MSM were going to play a translated video where the "Osama" would brag about 9/11, then have him tried and convicted by a focus group. Al Jazeera got a copy of the video and ran it, which just happened to coincide with a last-minute decision of the MSM to pull the video on the grounds that more time to ensure that the translation was correct. The next day, the Bush empire declared that the video was a phony.

Here's a DU post with more info.

:headbang:
rocknation
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Brundle_Fly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 03:45 PM
Response to Reply #2
185. the CIA confirmed it pdq
it usually takes them a few days, but this time they seem to have said "it's him" within minutes of the tapes release.


I don't buy it.

Leak: 40-page Justice Department document
declares wiretaps legal.... don't look, OSAMA!

Roe challenge set for new court
As O'Connor exits, Ohio law aims to ban abortion, aims to spur Roe review. don't look, OSAMA!

Democrats want ethics committee to probe 'day trading' allegations, don't look, OSAMA!

etc etc
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ayeshahaqqiqa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 10:08 AM
Response to Original message
3. To distract from Abramoff?
Or in anticipation of Rove's indictment by Fitzgerald?
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savemefromdumbya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 10:35 AM
Response to Reply #3
56. Most likely
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spinbaby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 10:08 AM
Response to Original message
4. The real Osama or the fake Osama?
.
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hippiechick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 10:42 AM
Response to Reply #4
69. ZACKLY.
My, but he has alot of free time to be monitoring Bush's poll numbers, eh ?

Very suspicious. :freak:
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 10:08 AM
Response to Original message
5. Oh Goody!!!!!!!
How I've missed those.... lololololol
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 10:09 AM
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6. bloomberg and steph miller just reported it also
is that really news?


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rox63 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 10:09 AM
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7. Just as the scandals are coming to a boil
And the Dems are scoring some good hits against the rethugs. Also, it's an election year, and the rethug prospects are looking grim. Time to roll OSB out of the crypt.
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Catrina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 10:19 AM
Response to Reply #7
30. Yep, an election year. So pretty soon it'll be time for the old colored
terror alerts. Haven't had any of them since the election either ~

Whenever I hear about Osama tapes, I think of the Chevy Chase movie where they bought the house in the country and the realtor with the help of the locals, made sure there was a deer running through the property when they came to look at the house. 'Cue the deer' ~

'Cue the Osama tape' ~
'Cue the terror alerts' ~

I wonder if anyone, other than freepers, falls for this anymore? No one I know does, including Republicans. It's just become part of everyday life now. Like predictions of bad storms, that sometimes happen and sometimes don't.

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Bushwick Bill Donating Member (605 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 12:32 PM
Response to Reply #30
133. I like this analysis
It's from last year, but it still applies.

New Osama Tape,
Deeper Propaganda Twists
by Larry Chin
http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/011205_deeper_propoganda.shtml
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samhsarah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 03:03 PM
Response to Reply #133
177. great analysis
thanks for the link
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 10:32 AM
Response to Reply #7
49. Damn!! Jr must pay obl very well for this! DAMN
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ozymandius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 10:10 AM
Response to Original message
8. Soon to be released: the "Best Of" Osama Fats and Osama Slim.
eom
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katty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 01:05 PM
Response to Reply #8
148. LOL, OBL's clip collection-funniest home movies & blooper reel
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deminks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 10:11 AM
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9. Right on cue!
What timing. :sarcasm: Wonder if they (CIA) pay him enough.
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SupplyConcerns Donating Member (305 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 01:08 PM
Response to Reply #9
150. When exactly DID he stop being a paid CIA asset, anyway?
Have we ever found a credible answer to this question? That's the mindblowing thing - it's documented that OBL was a paid CIA asset! There's one news story out there saying a CIA agent visited him in the hospital while he was on dialysis.
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NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 10:11 AM
Response to Original message
10. Being translated now by MSNBC translator?
Why don't let let CNN do the translating? That way OBL will be 'saying' exactly what the WH wants him to be saying ...
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Tight_rope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 12:52 PM
Response to Reply #10
139. LMBAO...Good idea!
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 10:11 AM
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11. can't wait to see Olbermann's take on this tonight.
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txindy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 10:48 AM
Response to Reply #11
80. I can't wait to see Jon Stewart's and Colbert's, too
:rofl:
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katty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 01:07 PM
Response to Reply #11
149. yea, there's no business like show business-especially from WH
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Turbineguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 10:12 AM
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12. Bush needs another attack
Edited on Thu Jan-19-06 10:12 AM by Turbineguy
He has now killed nearly as many Americans in his phoney war as were killed by Al Qeada in 2001.
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Windy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 10:18 AM
Response to Reply #12
28. I dont think the Bin Laden still being out there helps the administration
and if another attack happens here in light of the misdirection of force to Iraq and the deaths of American soldiers, I really don't think it will help the administration...
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Strelnikov_ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 10:23 AM
Response to Reply #28
36. Tend To Agree
The only positive spin they have left is how they have been successful in 'keeping us safe'.
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Turbineguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 02:05 PM
Response to Reply #28
164. No but it
redresses the balance. Bush needs to have bin Laden killing more Americans than he does.

(it's indeed a sad state of affairs when you find yourself thinking about the President of the United States of America in such terms!)
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tuvor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 10:12 AM
Response to Original message
13. MSM News asks: "What daytraders in Frist & Delay's offices?"
I knew it'd be either OBL or another missing pretty white girl.
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drm604 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 10:44 AM
Response to Reply #13
71. It's both!
The kidnapped reporter is just a variation of the theme. Not to belittle the tragedy in anyway, but you know that they'll be spending most of their time talking about that and the Bin Laden tape.
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progressivebydesign Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 12:03 PM
Response to Reply #13
125. Shoot, Maybe Rove was reading DU last night..
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CJCRANE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 04:12 PM
Response to Reply #125
188. Why you...!
Now you've gone and done it!

Little Rovey's gone and dusted off his spare OBL tape.
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stepnw1f Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 10:13 AM
Response to Original message
15. So Bush will Allow Another Attack to Happen Again
to get his ass off the hook with the spying scandal.
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Lyle Donating Member (190 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 11:04 AM
Response to Reply #15
103. Allow? Try "implement" n/t
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DancingBear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 10:14 AM
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16. Jeez, doesn't this Osama look a lot like Karl Rove?
Edited on Thu Jan-19-06 10:14 AM by DancingBear
Coincidence, that.
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w13rd0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 10:14 AM
Response to Original message
17. I want to see a remake...
...of Eminem's "The Real Slim Shady" with Ossama bin Laden. Have a room full of Ossama's, some poppin Arabic rap...

We can call it the "New NEW Ossama Video"! Yeah, that's the ticket!
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MuseRider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 10:14 AM
Response to Original message
18. Time to dust off
the old color chart of terror! I think I had better go down to the basement and make certain my duct tape and plastic are still safely stored away. Start storing water and food people!!
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DancingBear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 10:18 AM
Response to Reply #18
26. Orange? Blue? Burnt Sienna?
Edited on Thu Jan-19-06 10:18 AM by DancingBear
Shit! What color emergency is it, anyway?

"What's the color, Kenneth?"

I gotta go buy toilet paper and canned peas.

This is NO time for frivolity, godammit.
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MuseRider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 10:22 AM
Response to Reply #26
35. Toilet paper
Damn I forgot that one. Do you think I still have time to get to the store? Shit, it is so difficult to drive when I am shaking in fear.

I think Puce is the proper color for terror but I could be mistaken.
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 10:24 AM
Response to Reply #18
37. What are "food people" and how do you store them?
Muse- I have a problem I duct taped over my color chart. I can't read it anymore...should I just assume it to be orange?
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Cooley Hurd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 10:29 AM
Response to Reply #37
44. You don't have jars of Soylent Green in your survival bunker?
Yummy food people, that Soylent Green is!:9
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 10:31 AM
Response to Reply #44
46. No
Just Vienna sausages. Should I upgrade?
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bananas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 10:37 AM
Response to Reply #44
60. I prefer fresh. nt
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MuseRider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 10:35 AM
Response to Reply #37
55. You know those worm farms you can start?
Well, after 9/11 (you know the world changed after 9/11) I decided that my family was important enough to go a tad bit over the normal bounds of decency so I started a people farm to provide food people. Don't worry, I used swing voters. I couldn't abide the taste of Republicans and would not waste a Democrat. Ok that was stupid so.....good catch, lol.

Hey Undies, having a small baby around can make anyone tired enough to do something as stupid as duct taping their color chart. No problems, I am sure if you turn on the TV they will be more than happy to tell how how afraid you should be. In your case my dear underpants I would say brown would be appropriate. :hi:

How's that little one?
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 10:38 AM
Response to Reply #55
65. Doing good thanks for asking
Just having some fun with you. Thanks for being a good sport.


I duct taped the color chart a long time again. I duct taped everything just like the Home Depot's Tom Ridge told me too. I do what I am told. Hold it I have to be afraid for the next 12 seconds out of this minute............ Okay done with that now.

I have to go duct tape the cat and the eggs.
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MuseRider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 10:48 AM
Response to Reply #65
78. Underpants
:hug: You never fail to make me smile.

Be sure to leave a hole over the little one's nose. Sometimes when I am scared I forget that they have to breathe.
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 10:58 AM
Response to Reply #78
95. No duct tape for the little one
we have a special plastic bubble for her

:bounce:

Oh Flying Spaghetti Monster SAVE US!!!!
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Rhiannon12866 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-20-06 03:39 AM
Response to Reply #37
232. Here's my favorite animation explaining the alert system.
If I recall, they do cover "orange," as well as all the other colors of Bush*'s rainbow. Hope this helps...:crazy:

http://www.markfiore.com/animation/alerts.html
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Lerkfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 10:14 AM
Response to Original message
19. distraction.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 10:15 AM
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20. Fox is sure playing this up -as expected.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 10:16 AM
Response to Reply #20
21. says bin ladin planning on attaching sites In US--they are doing translati
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 10:16 AM
Response to Reply #21
23. "new attaches on US being prepared"--Fox tag line (alzazer translation)
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 10:20 AM
Response to Reply #21
31. and so of course they'd broadcast that little pearl to the CMC, right?
:eyes:

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RebelOne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 10:46 AM
Response to Reply #21
74. What is he going to attach them to?
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ClintonTyree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 11:21 AM
Response to Reply #20
108. I wouldn't doubt that Roger Ailes.......
is the production manager for the 'Osama Been Forgotten" tapes! Murdoch loves these tapes, they're fresh raw meat for their target viewers.
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cal04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 10:16 AM
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22. Is that the American Al Jazeera
when in trouble OBL to the rescue
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 10:17 AM
Response to Reply #22
25. "feed coming in from Alzazeer' is what Fox is saying
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 10:18 AM
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29. bin L. also says wants 'conditional truce to rebuilt Iraq and Afgan"
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Windy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 10:25 AM
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38. Ok... that doesn't sound like anything Bin Laden would say...
That is too humanitarian... to call for a conditional truce to rebuild Iraq and Afghan? I don't think so... that is suspect!
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 10:39 AM
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66. lots of reporters are wondering the same.
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Tight_rope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 01:03 PM
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144. That's what I was thinking..Bin Laden and truce? That don't sound right!
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NIGHT TRIPPER Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 02:02 PM
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163. no...it's Bruce Laden and Tin--typo----
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cliss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 12:07 PM
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126. I agree with you.
This is bull-shit. Whenever highly suspect things come out in the press, I usually go to some European online newspapers. You usually hear a MUCH different story.

Our media is so limited, so distorted. You can't trust it.:smoke:
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adigal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 10:17 AM
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24. Osama bin Laden: on the payroll for Bush?
Always showing up at just the "right" time for Bush, he must be Bush's most ardent supporter, because he does everything he can to keep Bush in power.

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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 10:20 AM
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33. that is why he is not dead yet/
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Windy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 10:27 AM
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40. He does want bush in power because it helps his recruiting base....
Unlike bush's influence on your military recruiting...
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reprobate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 12:27 PM
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131. And it's complementary. Bush wants him alive and a threat forever.


He did work for Poppy Bush, so by right of inheritance he works for Mad George. Anyone who believes that there was no colusion between them leading up to 9/11 is in total denial. After all Osama did get all those weapons and money from Poppy and CIA support all those years. And one does not bite the hand that feeds him. Their families are STILL asshole buddies and have been for decades. That sort of social and financial familiarity does not disappear in a flash.

Add the fact that Osama is THE boogeyman for America. Without him Terraism has no face and Americans will no longer live in fear. And the fascist in power in DC must not let that happen.

Does Osama work for Bush? Certainly!

Does Bush work for us? Certainly NOT!
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 12:57 PM
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141. The Bin Laden's and the Bush's go way back.
I'm sure they all profit from the war.

Either Osama is on the payroll, or this entire "audio" tape is a farce.
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Mme. Defarge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 10:18 AM
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27. Don't worry ...
Cheney promised we'd all be safe as long as they remained in office. Except for Red states that went for Bush in the last election.
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ClintonTyree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 11:24 AM
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110. Yeah, they all seem to be burning or flooding..........
or having some other "act of god" affecting them. I'm sure glad I live in ultra-blue New York!
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hadrons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 10:20 AM
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32. but, but , but ... fighting "them" in Iraq means they can't fight us here
that's what the Repukes claim
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adigal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 10:22 AM
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34. Fox News - Attacks Expected
Take my rights, PLEEAAASSEEE, just keep me SAFE from the big bad Osama - take my 1st, my 2nd, my 4th, and most importantly, my 22nd amendment right, just proteeeeecctt mmmeeeeeeeeee from the Big Bad Wolf!!! PLLEEEEEAAAAASSSSSSSSSSEEEE, Big Daddy, PPLLLLLEEEEEEEAAAAAAAASSSSSSSEEEE!!!
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 10:26 AM
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39. Fearless leader still correct and still fearless- bin Laden IS alive
as in "dead or alive" we always knew he had to be one or the other.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 10:29 AM
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43. "polls in america say the people want you to withdraw troops" msnbc
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Puzzler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 10:28 AM
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42. Attacks expected?
Er... why doesn't he just attack, as he did on 9/11? What's with the warning(s)?


-P
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 10:33 AM
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50. Puzzle me this Puzzler
IF you had something planned wouldn't you have done it say when the country had already been hit hard and was in disarray.....let's see has anything like that happened let's say since July? Any big event happen in August or later?

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savemefromdumbya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 10:52 AM
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89. They are going to find a new hurricane out of season
They'll blame it on Bin Ladin and FEMA is going act real good.
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xiamiam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 10:28 AM
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41. bama bama osama banana bana yo mama...fee fie osama
why am i not one bit surprised....i really dont think this works with the average citizen any longer...just too transparent...ONLY if one listens to the corporate media shills...and they just continue to be a joke...i cant wait until the backsplash from their bullshit is all over their faces ...and bogus untruthful treasonous careers
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 10:30 AM
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45. bl is speaking to Jr on this tape--saying he knows our polls say to with-
draw troops. If this is so, it is a smart move by bl.
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 10:31 AM
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47. Osama offers long-term truce to rebuild Iraq and Afghanastan
CAIRO, Egypt -- Al-Jazeera aired an audiotape purportedly from Osama bin Laden on Thursday, saying al-Qaida is making preparations for attacks in the United States but offering a truce to rebuild Iraq and Afghanistan.

The voice on the tape said heightened security measures in the United States are not the reason there have been no attacks there since the Sept. 11, 2001, suicide hijackings.

Instead, the reason is "because there are operations that need preparations, and you will see them," he said.

"Based on what I have said, it is better not to fight the Muslims on their land," he said. "We do not mind offering you a truce that is fair and long-term. ... So we can build Iraq and Afghanistan ... there is no shame in this solution because it prevents wasting of billions of dollars ... to merchants of war."

More:
http://www.nbc4.com/news/6242237/detail.html
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 10:34 AM
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53. 'your got the money honey?"
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rniel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 10:32 AM
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48. I heard Osama's calling it
Operation save bush's poll numbers.

I'm sorry it's pretty hard to make a joke of this.
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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 10:33 AM
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51. "you will see them in your houses as soon as they are complete, God willin
http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/L19591050.htm

Bin Laden says new US attacks prepared, offers truce
19 Jan 2006 15:25:36 GMT

Source: Reuters

DUBAI, Jan 19 (Reuters) - Osama bin Laden warned that al Qaeda was preparing new attacks inside the United States, but said the group was open to a conditional truce with Americans, according to an audio tape attributed to him on Thursday.

"The operations are under preparation and you will see them in your houses as soon as they are complete, God willing," said the speaker on the audio tape, who sounded like bin Laden.
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Chimpeach Donating Member (71 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 10:34 AM
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54. Weapons of Mass Distraction
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xiamiam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 10:38 AM
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62. you got that right...i dont buy this crap for one friggin minute
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Yavin4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 10:36 AM
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57. OBL's Existence Proves That Bush Is A Failure
Recall how the RWers howled because Clinton had 8 years to find OBL, but he didn't. What say they now that Bush has had almost 5 years, complete international cooperation, and a gung-ho media to find and kill OBL.

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Triana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 10:36 AM
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58. Uh-oh bu$hit's ratings are down! BOOGITTY, BOOGITY!!
Time to start the fearmongering!!
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 10:38 AM
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63. read entire post number one--see what msnbc said.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 10:36 AM
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59. kick and recommended
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Boxerfan Donating Member (710 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 10:37 AM
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61. Oh-It's his PENIS & He's Gonna make him DANCE!
Oh it's his penis just peeking out...He always does that before FUCKING America...
Bush's little penis O'sama...What mischief will he do next?.

Anything to take 'Muricans minds of this scandal stuff & hey,if we can justify invading Iran in the process-Well hells bells! 'Ol Cheney always loves a 2-fer!!

Be afraid but don't be fooled. This is the wind up,another MIHOP is on it's way...
Gotta get these effin bad crazies out NOW!:nuke:
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ClintonTyree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 11:30 AM
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114. Yeah, I'm surprised Osama didn't say he was living in Iran....
for the time being while planning his next assault on America. That would REALLY have played into bush's hands. Must have been an oversight on Rove's part.
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savemefromdumbya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 10:38 AM
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64. Shouldn't the voters be asking why Bush hasn't caught Osama Bin Ladin?
no doubt this is one of the fake tapes. Bin Laden said that he didn't do 9/11 although he had a 'hand' in it, it was done by none other than our VP.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 10:41 AM
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67. Jr has already said he does not bother much with obl.
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 10:42 AM
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68. If there was any doubt about the level of surrealism we live in
-as you well know-

The OBL tape released the Friday before the elections were widely credited (amongst other excuses) for being a big PUSH for W. Clinton even said so. At least one Bush staffer called it "a nice little present" or something like that, you can look it up.

OF course the really WEIRD part is how W is given CREDIT for 9/11. Think about that-he openly TAKES CREDIT for 9/11 after it of course no mention is made of BEFORE 9/11.

Weirdness.
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savemefromdumbya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 10:46 AM
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72. where does al Jazeera get these tapes does Osama drop them off
does someone drop off the Osama tapes at the Al J studio wearing dark glasses and a mask?? If Goebbells was still alive he probably would have?
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xiamiam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 10:50 AM
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85. probably made in texas right after roves roast...and then shuttled via top
secret security to the steps of al jazeera
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savemefromdumbya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 10:54 AM
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92. I imagine they have shelf of these
Edited on Thu Jan-19-06 10:54 AM by savemefromdumbya
they probably practice dressing up in beards and robes and superimpose Bin Ladin's face on them by computer?
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AngryAmish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 11:30 AM
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115. naw, they download them from whitehouse.gov
podcasts are the wave of the future
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oblivious Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 06:51 PM
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213. The US has a giant air base 10 miles from Aljazeera...
...with tens of thousands of personnel. You'd think they could spare a couple of guys to keep an eye on who comes and goes there, or ask their poodle the emir of Qatar to let them put a guy in Aljazera to question the delivery boy. It is the Emir's station after all.
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savemefromdumbya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 07:01 PM
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215. the tape HAS to get in there somehow
unless there is a secret passage (fromthe airbase) oops!
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Catchawave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 10:50 AM
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84. ....or catch the person delivering OBL tapes to
Al-Jazeera ? How hard could that be?
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drfresh Donating Member (424 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 01:04 PM
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145. Hopefully the truth will come out about it someday -nt
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 10:12 PM
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223. someday. someday, someday
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wordpix2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 11:20 PM
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228. How DOES Snotty explain it?
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samhsarah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 10:44 AM
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70. Ok, this is just getting to be FUCKING ridiculous now.
Who do they think they are fooling? Oh wait, forget I said that.:banghead:
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 10:46 AM
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73. well, it sure is filling the airwaves--speculation mostly
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savemefromdumbya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 10:48 AM
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79. It's all set up to roll
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savemefromdumbya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 10:47 AM
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75. there's bound to be an attack soon
an attack of some sort unless some foreign intelligence can catch the Bush administration's patsies in the act?
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savemefromdumbya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 10:47 AM
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76. there's bound to be an attack soon
an attack of some sort unless some foreign intelligence can catch the Bush administration's patsies in the act?
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Tripmann Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 10:49 AM
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83. Bingo!
Right on cue. And with a message that will allow bushco to continue its domestic spying, and just after Gores amazing speech. How convenient.

If only the weather was as predictable

Tripmann
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samhsarah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 10:56 AM
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94. Couldn't have said it better myself
Dontcha love how they tell us when we are about to get attacked? Osama my ass. God I fucking hate these people. Words just can't even express...:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: How about when he came out to tell us if we voted for Kerry, there would be another attack? Fucking pigs. Excuse my language, I'm just so angry right now. They're gonna get away with everything, again, and all they had to do was pull out OBL and dust him off.:grr: :grr: :grr: :grr:
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savemefromdumbya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 02:10 PM
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165. OBL looks quite good after being in the freezer so long
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samhsarah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 03:13 PM
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181. I didn't get a chance to see....
Has he lost any weight?
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savemefromdumbya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 06:59 PM
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214. who is the one on the left
could be Cheney with a beard?
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 10:47 AM
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77. bet Wolf had himself airlifted to the 'situataion room"
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Prisoner_Number_Six Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 10:49 AM
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82. So Emmanuel Goldstein pops up again
--talk about "transparency" in government- this one is clear as glass.

War is Peace.
Freedom is Slavery.
(Your) Ignorance is (Their) Strength
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 10:50 AM
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86. HS will NOT be raising color code level (per msnbc)
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tex-wyo-dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 10:51 AM
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87. When all else fails, pull out the FEAR card...
the RW's been doing it at least since WWII.

They need a super villain to keep up the angst in the American people...

Yesterday it was the communists...today it's OBL and the terrorists.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 10:52 AM
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90. and OBL is postmodern sort of fella
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 10:52 AM
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88. Excerpt from Osama tape released...
Good morning american pig dogs, this is your old buddy Osama. Because you guys are so incapable of finding me, I have had this time to kick back and get a little, as we say in Al-queda, chunky. I have gotten lazy, put on a few pounds and well, basically have turned into a giant lard-ass. You know, being the leader of a U.S. funded terrorist group has its perks and well, I took full advantage of those perks, much like abramoff, delay and the rest of the my republican friends.
Anywho, I got a ring from karl and he says that the republicans are in deep doo doo again and need a little stirring of the pot from me again, So I thought, oh what the hell, why not.

So here is my latest threat, oooff, sorry, to many donuts this morning, oh yeah, threats. Ummm, let's see, ah oh right, bombings, planes, suicide this and that and a couple of stink bombs for good measure, that should do it.

and as always, death to america!!! tootles!!...What?

(garbled voice from the background)

What do you mean I can't say that stuff? It's true. Americans don't want the truth? oy...Okay how about this one...

You infidels, until you leave our soil I will rain death down upon you until you reel in pain and agony...but this is so boring, this is the old crap...okay okay...blah blah blah rivers of blood...blah blah blah...1000 years of pain...

you get the picture...oy, I have to go on the South Beach diet...



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samhsarah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 11:00 AM
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99. ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
That post REALLY deserves it's own thread. FUCKING HILARIOUS!!!!!!!!!!!!!:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 11:03 AM
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101. Yes it does
very funny
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CrispyQ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 11:22 AM
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109. Best post of the day!!!

:rofl:
:rofl:
:rofl:
:rofl:
:rofl:


:yourock:


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Tight_rope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 01:09 PM
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151. LMBAO....Thanks for a great morning laugh!
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Tight_rope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 01:09 PM
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152. LMBAO....Thanks for a great morning laugh!
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 01:30 PM
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159. bravo!
:rofl: :applause: :rofl: :applause: :rofl: :applause: :rofl: :applause: :rofl: :applause: :rofl: :applause: :rofl: :applause: :rofl: :applause:
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wordpix2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 11:22 PM
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229. classic, thanks for the laugh---on that note, have a nice night
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 10:54 AM
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91. Gosh, KKKarl must have paid alot of postage
To mail that five-year videotape overseas.
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amandabeech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 10:55 AM
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93. The Friday afternoon news dump should be very interesting.
Even if the Osama tape release wasn't planned, expect the *ushies to take advantage and spew all kinds of vile news on Friday.

The Sunday talk shows will have nothing but OBL madness, so day-trading and other scandalous behavior will be off the radar.

And everyone will now want to be spied on, as if it has done any good, according to OBL.
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Lyle Donating Member (190 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 10:58 AM
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96. Oooo! time to wheel out the boogey man! whatEVER. n/t
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Politicub Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 10:58 AM
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97. My, what a coincidence
Whenever Bush needs a boost, his friend Osama is always ready to lend a hand.

It's pretty sad that Bush would be nothing without Osama. I would be ashamed.
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hippiechick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 11:02 AM
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100. Say it loud, DU'ers ...
despite the wiretaps
despite 'Homeland Security'
despite the torture flights
despite GITMO
despite the bloodbath in Iraq

WE ARE NOT SAFER NOW THAN WE WERE ON 9/10/01.

So whatcha got to say for yourselves, punkass George and evil Dick? :nuke:
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Cooley Hurd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 11:04 AM
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102. EXACTLY! Why is this bozo still around to threaten us, anyway???
Perfect meme, hippiechick!:thumbsup:
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nolabels Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-20-06 04:06 AM
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235. Truth be told, the masses are threat to the establishment
Edited on Fri Jan-20-06 04:08 AM by nolabels
Like what ever with the latest boogie man already, it feels like it's gettin time for some real change, feels like it might even be spontaneous,,,, like
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xiamiam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 11:11 AM
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105. despite 2200+ dead soldiers..thousands wounded...thousands
of Iraqis dead..we are not safer...despite an astronomical amount of money spent on destroying the physical face of Iraq...we are not safer....despite destroying our credibility throughout the world re human rights, we are not safer..despite the majority of Americans wanting us OUT of Iraq we are not safer...despite ignoring all warnings of a threat of an attack before 911 while you took another vacation...thank you very much you piece of shit...google that..because one of these days when anyone in the world googles piece of shit...your name will come up along with the vp and anyone else who is involved in this nonsense
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Writer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 11:05 AM
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104. Osama is not alive. This is a farce.
Democrats have been controlling the news as of very recent, with Gore's speech and their announcement yesterday on cleaning up Congress.

Osama also came out, conveniently, right before the 2004 election.

Osama was in very poor health before the 2001 terror attacks. After our efforts in Afghanistan and elsewhere, he logically cannot be alive. He simply can't be. The only reason why this administration hasn't seemed truly to care about catching Osama is that I think they know that he's dead. But that doesn't mean he can't be carted out as a boogie man when the need arises.

And he's been carted out as a boogie man again, today.

I for one, do not believe this "Al Jazeera tape." And yes, I do think they would stoop to this level.
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cliss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 12:50 PM
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138. I do believe you are right.
I noticed several things right away that struck me as suspicious:

"We do not offering you a long-term truce with fair conditions that we adhere to". This is a lie. Bin Laden feels that the West cheats, lies, plays dirty tricks consistently, so there would never be "fair conditions".

"We are a nation that God has forbidden to Lie and Cheat". More lies. Bin Laden does not need to proclaim islam's honesty and ethics. He never has. He will refer to the Koran as being "the word of Allah", and he also does not refer to God.

"There is no shame in this solution, which prevents the wasting of billions of dollars which have gone to those with influence and the merchants of war in America". ABSOLUTE LIE. This is what Bin Laden wants. He would like nothing more than the US will go bankrupt in financing its wars of aggression. This is his STATED GOAL.

Plus, I think he's dead.
**************
The most important reason why this is a phony is because Bin Laden didn't like Iraq. He hated Saddam because he smoked cigars and drank booze. UBL was a fundamentalist. So he doesn't care about what happens to Iraq. He DOES care about Saudi Arabia, however.
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NIGHT TRIPPER Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 02:10 PM
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166. wait...YOU hit it!! REBUILD IRAQ? Bin Laden HAD NO IRAQ connection-NONE
Here it is again-
Mentioning 911 in the same breath with IRAQ and SADDAM--.
This is THEE Classic boosh regime lie--!!!!!

Guess who wrote this?
It's obvious.
And how the hell ?-are they using a look alike?
Are they overdubbing?
Do they have him locked up and force him to do videos?

How do you think they are doing this?
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cliss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 05:22 PM
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201. The answer came over the radio today.
The announced said, "A voice purporting to be Bin Laden" said this and that, bla bla.

Next, the CIA confirms: "Yes, It's Bin Laden".

That's all there is to it.

They are all in on this little scheme. They just found a reasonable stand-in (notice it's not a VHS home movie) just a tape recording of a voice. Pretty easy if you ask me.

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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 11:20 AM
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107. Bin Laden is right on time and never misses a beat
I feel soooooo safe knowing that Jack Abramoff junior is looking out for us.
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Contrary1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 11:25 AM
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111. So, Osama's a bit camera shy these days, is he?
Perhaps Rove couldn't find a reasonable facsimile to roll out a new
video on such short notice.

Or...maybe all the stand-ins from the previous years been suicided.

I think I saw the real Osama at Walmart this morning:

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samhsarah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 03:35 PM
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184. ROFLMAO!!!!!
Great pic!!!:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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bonito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 11:26 AM
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112. Hay Rove, He's dead
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Hawkeye-X Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 11:47 AM
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120. Some additional info
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gauguin57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 11:29 AM
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113. Does Osama have a Texas accent on that tape, perchance? Hmmm?
I still think they have him on dialysis in the White House basement ... they probably thought about bringing him out after Katrina, but thought they'd better keep him down there to drag out as a trophy when there's some even BIGGER disaster.
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EstimatedProphet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 11:36 AM
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116. Hooray! The Republicans are saved!
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Boxerfan Donating Member (710 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 11:37 AM
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117. Anyone brave enough to check the freep sights??
I already hear spin on this is an indication we have them on the run???
Oh,I forgot-this is opposite world led by Captain Cookoobananas...

Maybe some of them are getting a clue by now??
Maybe??
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Contrary1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 12:01 PM
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124. Pretty much what you would expect from gullible Bushies:
Edited on Thu Jan-19-06 12:04 PM by Contrary1
Chimp has his adoring masses right where he wants them.

To: mondonico

In two fronts, against the terrorists and our own representatives. His threat cannot be diregarded, preparations have been made according to him, all that is needed is the go ahead from him to carry out the attack.
How will the democrats respond to this news, will they continue to agree with the ACLU? Or does the President have the right in a time of war to do all in his power to keep us safe? I believe he does, and the majority of Americans who love this country do as well.

24 posted on 01/19/2006 8:16:40 AM PST by pennboricua

=========================================================
I particulary like the post below. This clown has admitted that he doesn't believe Bush can keep us safe from attacks, and doesn't even realize it.

To: yoe
we're going to strike the USA
Strike us again bin and you will know the rain of hell like never before....collateral damage be damned.

Bin must be one of the few subscribers the NYT's has left. Let him play to the Murtha and crowd....he is pizzing off our President and military. Wrong move.

35 posted on 01/19/2006 8:46:39 AM PST by daybreakcoming (May God bless those who enter the valley of the shadow of death so that we may see the light of day.)

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To: Wiz
Tape not authenticated yet - conflicting messages of we're going to strike the USA - some sort of truce that would eventually hurt freedom loving Iraqis and return them to tyranny.
Our Military should continue to tighten the ring; it is obviously hurting both insurgents and al-Qaeda. Hillary who bashed the President; Kennedy who bashed the President; Reid who bashed the president and all the other anti-war crowd should realize unless they pull together for America and stand with Iraq and the majority of Americans this sort of propaganda and threats to the US is going to continue the leftists in the country are personally responsible for these confusing tapes hoping to keep America divided. I still think OBL is dead, dead, dead!

If FDR had caved because of all the flack he got from the socialists in this country just imagine what would have happened in Europe etc.

22 posted on 01/19/2006 8:15:42 AM PST by yoe

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To: Wiz
Well then. Truce, heh ? Must be getting tired of the cave and watching for drones overhead. Sure, we'll have a truce. Once all their heads are on pikes.

In all seriousness, that smacks of serious desperation. No attacks (but we're preparing them, wink wink nudge nudge). And how about a truce ? So we can all rebuild... I think things are getting really bleak for them.

Time to redouble the efforts and crush 'em.

10 posted on 01/19/2006 8:05:07 AM PST by farlander

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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 01:57 PM
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162. Poor confused Freepi
" the leftists in the country are personally responsible for these confusing tapes hoping to keep America divided."

Yeah, we're personally responsible for Bush taking 40% of his time vacationing before 9/11. We're responsible for him ignoring the warnings. We're responsible for letting the bin Laden family leave the US after the attack. We're responsible for Bush lying to start an elective war in Iraq. We're responsible for him saying OBL is unimportant, 6 months after 9/11. We're responsible for Bush damaging our international reputation.

Now we're responsible for confusing tapes as to why OBL suddenly pops up as the Republican Syndicate starts getting national exposure. It really must be nice to live in Freeperworld where someone else is responsible for the mess that your vote and support has created.
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samhsarah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 03:12 PM
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180. OH yeah, that's right, OBL is hiding out in a cave looking for drones???
To: Wiz
Well then. Truce, heh ? Must be getting tired of the cave and watching for drones overhead. Sure, we'll have a truce. Once all their heads are on pikes.

In all seriousness, that smacks of serious desperation. No attacks (but we're preparing them, wink wink nudge nudge). And how about a truce ? So we can all rebuild... I think things are getting really bleak for them.

Time to redouble the efforts and crush 'em.

10 posted on 01/19/2006 8:05:07 AM PST by farlander

Man it must be SOMETHING to set up a dialysis machine in a fucking cave. STUPID ASS FUCKING CRETINS.
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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Contrary1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 04:22 PM
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190. I don't dispute your opinion of the cretins...
but there are other ways to get kidney dialysis besides being tethered to a machine.

One is peritoneal dialysis. The dialysis solution flows into the peritoneal cavity by way of a catheter, which is surgically placed through the abdominal wall. The solution remains in the abdomen for four to eight hours. At the end of this time, the dialysis solution is drained, and is exchanged for fresh dialysis solution. This is usually done 4 times a day, and can be done by the patient.

Either way, if Osama had kidney failure, I figure he's long dead. Dialysis damages the arteries and heart big time. It's a hell of a way to live. Most patients end up having a stroke. My mom lasted about 3 years on it, and she was weak and miserable.
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samhsarah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 04:54 PM
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195. So sorry to hear about your mom...
Didn't mean to be so ignorant about the dialysis, either. I have believed he has been dead for a while also. I was just speaking hypothetically.
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Gregorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 11:44 AM
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118. Bernie Bin Laden? How convenient.
It's like this dead guy they pull out of the closet whenever it's convenient. It's like this guy is really Bush's subconscience.

Maybe they should just play his tape in lieu of the SOTU speech.
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jhain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 11:44 AM
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119. Will we change colors?
I mean, I certainly I don't my outfit want to clash if we go to orange or red. Now, that would be terror.

Damn, I am f'in sick and tired of being treated like a brain damaged twit. How stupid can they possibly think we are?

Whatever they are seeking to cover will be out tomorrow in the weekly Friday dump.
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MellowOne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 11:54 AM
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121. I don't get it
Edited on Thu Jan-19-06 11:56 AM by MellowOne
If they want to attack us, shouldn't they keep it a secret in order to pull it off? Why broadcast such a thing? With all the modern technology tapes can be doctored like in the recording industry.

One of the reasons bin laden was never killed is who would ** use to threatens us? They need Bin Laden alive to keep the war going.

It's to keep us in Iraq, they haven't got all the oil yet.

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mistertrickster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 11:54 AM
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122. I think the tapes are real. OSL is saying this stuff to keep
BUSH IN OFFICE. He's their butt-boy. They know exactly how he's going to react to every "outrage."

OSL: "We haven't struck in the US because we've been too busy in Iraq."
GWB: "We fight them there or we fight them here."

OSL: "We're planning more attacks in the US."
GWB: "You need us to keep you safe."

This was obviously scripted to help Bush. Now the question is, was it the Bushistas or OSL that is trying to prop him up. They both have their reasons, don't they?
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Tin Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 02:39 PM
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172. The tape is real. OBL's strategy is to maintain Bush as his adversary
OBL recognizes the beneficiary of the War on Terror, in it's current implementation, is actually Radical Islam.

Iraq is the best example of how US policies are losing the War on Terror - despite heavy handed military intervention by the US, Iraq is more Radicalized than ever, and the US is more isolated from our Western allies than ever. Yet Bush is determined to "stay the course" and "honor the sacrifices" etc.

And within the US itself, when faced with the specter of "terra", citizens appear quite willing to surrender their constitutionally guaranteed rights to an increasingly fascist government - so OBL wins again, by steering US citizens into abdicating our democratic system of checks-and-balances in favor of an imperial executive, whose very policies actually benefit Radical Islam.

Why did OBL appear on video tape on November 1, 2004? To get Bush re-elected. Why did OBL release an audio tape today? Purely to "take the heat off" the Bush Administration with regards to NSA wiretapping, Abramoff, PlameGate, and help get Alito into the Supremes.

Sept 11th was just OBL setting his trap. When we invaded Iraq, we stepped into the snare. The more we struggle, the tighter the noose becomes. Yessir, OBL is Bush's biggest fan.

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mistertrickster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 05:35 PM
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208. Good analysis, well worded. Bush is getting played like a rube
in a three card monty scam.

And so's America.
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progressivebydesign Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 11:58 AM
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123. I'm psychic I tell ya!! I called it last night..
See this thread: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=179499&mesg_id=179499
My post #122

God, those people are obvious. First OBL appears, as if on command, the night before the election and makes it clear that he doesn't want Bush to be elected (you know you have to vote for Bush, otherwise the terrorist wins).
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Frank Cannon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 01:05 PM
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147. This is so absurd that it's laughable, EXCEPT for the fact...
that so many Bush people will swallow this horsepuckey hook, line, and sinker. I swear that there are people in this country who are truly TOO stupid and/or gullible to live. It's just absolutely amazing.

I KNEW that we were going to see Osama's ugly mug this week. The idiot chimp and his crime family are in the worst trouble they've ever been in. I just KNEW that they had to pull out their old buddy Osama to try to save their sorry keisters, and lo and behold, they did it!!

Wake up, "red state" America. If you don't see what's going on here, you deserve every bad thing that happens to you. Unfortunately, you're dragging all of the rest of us down with you.
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area51 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 04:30 PM
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192. BBC
Interesting, on the 30-min. BBC news last night, they mentioned how a lot of people thought that bin Laden was dead.

How convenient.
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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 12:09 PM
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127. Bush polls are down and now Bin Laudin pops out of the closet
Hopefully the FBI won't fly bin laudins secretly again...
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Bgno64 Donating Member (255 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 12:13 PM
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128. Dammit, this is exactly why...
...the Democrats suck. I can't find a single major liberal blog out there talking about this now - it's as if they're shying away from it, they don't know what to say.

But you know what? It's on Instapundit, where Reynolds is crowing that it's a victory. It's already being spun by the conservative blogosphere and pundits while liberals, you know, write these posts about K Street instead.

There needs to be a rapid response to this kind of thing and pronto.
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goforit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 02:44 PM
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173. MIHOP once again folks.........(duck & cover)
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Eurobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 12:22 PM
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129. Osama Bin Forgotten?
"'Well, are you worried about Mr. bin Laden?' I said, 'No, I'm not too worried about him. He's the guy that needs to be worried.'"
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lenegal Donating Member (258 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 12:25 PM
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130. WRONG
How about looking at it this way.

We are supposed to be more safe with the never ending war in Iraq going on.

This proves that Bush is full of crap.
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xiamiam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 05:19 PM
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199. whats the worst that could happen? perpetual war?
they've already promised us that...
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buddysmellgood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 12:30 PM
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132. Bush released this latest tape just so he can say, "See, Iraq really is a
war on terror." Now he can say that the people he let attack American are in Iraq.
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INDIA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 12:49 PM
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136. I agree...
Al Jazeera is playing into the RW'ers playbook!!!
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EuroObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 12:46 PM
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134. Here's the alJazeera story/transcript:
http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/593298A0-3C1A-4EB4-B29D-EA1A9678D922.htm

"This message is about the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and how to end those wars," it began.

"It was not my intention to talk to you about this, because those wars are definitely going our way.

"But what triggered my desire to talk to you is the continuous deliberate misinformation given by your President Bush, when it comes to polls made in your home country which reveal that the majority of your people are willing to withdraw US forces from Iraq.

<snip>

"The new operations of al-Qaida has not happened not because we could not penetrate the security measures. It is being prepared and you'll see it in your homeland very soon," the voice attributed to bin Laden said, apparently addressing Americans.

But the voice on the tape, which appeared to be aimed at the American public, also offered a truce: "We do not mind establishing a long-term truce between us and you."
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Strelnikov_ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 01:19 PM
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154. Kind Of Hitting Too Many Bullet Points, Isn't He
Edited on Thu Jan-19-06 01:24 PM by loindelrio
Or is that dots.

- " . . .because those wars are definitely going our way. . . when it comes to polls made in your home country which reveal that the majority of your people are willing to withdraw US forces from Iraq."

Meme that a change in course is a victory for the 'terraists'.

- " . .new operations of al-Qaida has not happened not because we could not penetrate the security measures. It is being prepared and you'll see it in your homeland very soon,"

Meme that the Patriot Act has kept us safe, and the delay in renewing the Act has put us has reduced our defenses.

On edit:

- " . . . but it will prevent hundreds of billions from going to influential people and warlords in America - those who supported Bush's electoral campaign - and from this, we can understand Bush and his gang's insistence on continuing the war."

Meme: "Looky there, Margo, that bid-ladeen arab talks just like them thar pinko liberals, blaming this here war on Halleburton and oil money."
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samhsarah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 03:01 PM
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176. BINGO!
Absofuckinlutely! Couldn't be any more obvious and you hit it right on.:yourock:
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neuvocat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 12:46 PM
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135. Ok, George, listen...
we all know you're not at all a bright person, but didn't it ever occurr even to you that people would catch on to the fact that these have only happened around election years? This is right up there with those terra lerts being raised arbitrarily whenever there's a scandal breaking out.

Its all a big distraction and of course we all know that it works-but only during the moment. Remember that Plame scandal? Everyone else still does. In other words, the problems never stay away. They keep coming back and they keep getting bigger every time they do. If you think the Abramoff scandal is bad now, just wait until after the election cycle is over.

Oh and another thing George: not only do we know that Bin Laden is still alive, he's still out there taunting you in front of everyone.

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Beware the Beast Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 12:50 PM
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137. Oh, goody! I've been jonesing for some 2-Minute Hate,
:D
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d_b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 04:57 PM
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196. hehe.
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 12:54 PM
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140. Reverse psychology to drum up support for the war and call anyone
who tells the truth about the war profiteers, "Osama-esque."

"Jack Murtha sounds just like Osama Bin Laden!" "Cindy Sheehan sounds just like Osama Bin Laden!" "Ted Kennedy sounds just like Osama Bin Laden!"

Osama Bin Laden is following Zogby polls? This is bullshit.
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Zorra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 01:33 PM
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160. My thoughts exactly.
Pure PNAC bullshit propaganda, designed to influence the ignorant and gullible among us into continuing their support of the PNAC quest for eternal war and global empire.
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 03:16 PM
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182. Indeed. Now to see if their social experiement works - again.
America is being played like a fiddle, let's hope our collective strings tire and snap!
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nautibits Donating Member (46 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 12:58 PM
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142. Bin Laden is right
if we would just get the hell out of the middle east NOW and stay the hell out of it, we would not be subjected to anymore attacks by them.

We have absulotley no bizness being in the Middle East.
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melissinha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 02:11 PM
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167. I agree
I mean the credibility of this man is the least to be desired HOWEVER, if you take his statement at face value, he is suggesting what Bushtard should have done all along, handled Iraq diplomatically.

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Maggie_May Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 03:07 PM
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178. Amen to that!
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wordpix2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 11:07 PM
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225. until we get off the oil addiction, I'm afraid the U.S. does have biz
there
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dapper Donating Member (755 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 01:00 PM
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143. I'M SCARED!!!!! cough, cough, BS
Maybe it's all the flack that Bush has been getting from Gore, Clinton, Poll Numbers Down, the Corruption scandals...

His partner in crime has to put a little scare into us so we stand behind the prez-i-not.


What I want to know, what deal is Bin Laden looking to make?
Will it be tough love "we do not make deals with terra-ists"

Dap
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EuroObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 02:47 PM
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175. what deal is Bin Laden looking to make?
...That information, if it exists, would appear to heve been suppressed.

"...we do not mind offering a long-term truce based on just conditions that we will stick to.

"We are a nation that Allah banned from lying and stabbing others in the back, hence both parties of the truce will enjoy stability and security to rebuild Iraq and Afghanistan, which were destroyed by war."
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dapper Donating Member (755 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 06:38 PM
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212. We Do not negotiate with Terra-ists
I knew it... I knew it.

In the first paragraph!
http://news.yahoo.com/fc/world/osama_bin_laden_and_al_qaida

Dap
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Gregorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 01:19 PM
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153. Will the real terrorist please stand up.
Mr. Bin Laden, you've killed 3000 people. And you managed to singlehandedly bring down the world's greatest democracy. And it only took a few plane tickets. You are efficient, I've got to hand it to you.
Mr. Bush, you've killed around 100,000 people. But it cost you $400 billion, and the civil rights of your country. On top of that, you managed to use it to your advantage. You made your buddies a lot of money. Very good. It looks like you have a real advantage in this game.

Would the real terrorist please stand up!
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twaddler01 Donating Member (800 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 01:21 PM
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155. Now is the time to panic!
Get ready for that terrerr alert to go up again! Everybody get scared! There is a terrerr threat on us agin! :sarcasm:
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barb162 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 01:37 PM
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161. "OBL promising new attacks on the US"
Edited on Thu Jan-19-06 01:40 PM by barb162
If this is really from bin Laden, I am missing what the joking is about. It's still being authenticated as I understand


http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4628738.stm

"People familiar with Bin Laden's voice are divided as to whether the voice really is his."
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CJCRANE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 04:25 PM
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191. "The BBC's Justin Webb in Washington says
that in the US the immediate political effect of the tape will probably be to boost support for President George W Bush."

It's all about the timing.

I wouldn't be surprised if they've had this tape for a while and Bushco told al-Jazeera to sit on it until they gave the go-ahead (as they did with the '04 "October Surprise" tape).
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barb162 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 05:25 PM
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203. I just heard on the radio that the tape is authenticated as bin Laden
I think aljazeera doesn't listen to Bush. This is frightening; we might get hit again. Bush? He's had 5 fucking years to fix the borders
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Ilsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 02:11 PM
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168. Israel hasn't stopped their "terrorist" attacks. From what I can see,
I don't think most of them can be stopped unless one has a massive intelligence and military force. Britain couldn't stop the attack on their transportation system. Spain had an attack. Anyone who thinks the current cabal in the White House can prevent an attack isn't dealing with reality. I think one will occur, when they are ready for one, when they have a particular objective in mind witha particular "payoff".
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RSchewe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 02:15 PM
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169. CIA claims the voice on the tape is that of Osama Bin Laden, now how old..
is the tape and/or is it a newly produced tape?
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barb162 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 05:26 PM
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204. There are some things he says that indicate it is fairly recent history
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wisteria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 02:22 PM
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170. Are we to buy into Bush the Protector keeping us safe again like
he did right before 9-11? We all know how much effort has been really put into Homeland Security issues.
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melody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 02:30 PM
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171. His inside man Bush has been attacking the USA for 5 years now n/t
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pinniped Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 03:11 PM
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179. The POS vp did travel overseas............
I bet a recording studio was on the jerk's itinerary.
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Pastiche423 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 03:24 PM
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183. Tape titled: Weekend at Osama's Part Five
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Generator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 03:49 PM
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186. I'm gonna read all the replies
Edited on Thu Jan-19-06 03:50 PM by Generator
But first, I call bullshit on this. This is not what Osama Bin Laden would ever say. FANATICS do not mellow out. They do not surrender. Especially religious fanatics that have nothing to lose. Nothing. His goal was to destroy America, and now you are telling me he is worried about the merchants of war getting rich? NOW he's concerned about building up Afghanistan and Iraq? And tell me why he sounds just like a LIBERAL? Huh.."Bush needs to ask to be forgiven by all the widows." That sounds like something some would say that liberals say-the sing cumbayah stuff..(not that forgiveness is a bad thing-but forgiveness is a top terrorist priority??? who knew-I thought top priority was jihad-holy war and VICTORY) Oh yeah..Osama bin Laden. Everything has pointed to him being dead since late 2001. Do we trust the CIA? I feel like I'm in a sick sick novel or horror movie. Like that puppet thing that just happened to show up on the friday before election day 2004. Look it up-I was on DU when it happened-and Osama didn't look real to me. I give up. They are manipulating our reality to such an extent I don't know what's real and what's not.

Trust the CIA? Trust the DOD? Yeah right.
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negativenihil Donating Member (772 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 04:05 PM
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187. Oceana has Always has been at War with Eurasia (n/t)
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 04:15 PM
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189. But, but....the NeoCon Junta told us he's dead!!
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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 04:41 PM
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193. Fat Ossama or skinny Ossama?
Surely voice analysis can detect a difference.
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 04:59 PM
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197. W speaks W-speak: "heightened security measures "
Edited on Thu Jan-19-06 05:01 PM by robbedvoter
reminds me of Chalabi's speeches about the paradise that was Iraq - having been prepared by the White House.....("we just helped him with the translation a bit)
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SIMPLEOBSERVATIONS Donating Member (7 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 05:23 PM
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202. BIN LADEN TAPE
I'm not sure why you find humor in the Bin Laden tape and what he said... isn't Bin Laden the enemy to you???
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barb162 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 05:30 PM
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205.  I don't see one damned thing funny about it
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 06:07 PM
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 05:35 PM
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207. Looks like the OP is laughing at Bush's poll numbers
So whois your enemy?
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SIMPLEOBSERVATIONS Donating Member (7 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 06:10 PM
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211. ... my enemy is...
... those who don't love all that is good.
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Cooley Hurd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 08:33 PM
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217. Aw crap... I must've just missed you...
:nuke: :nuke:
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 05:33 PM
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206. OBL calling for peace? Don't remember him doing that with the USSR.
This must be a kinder and gentler OBL. :eyes: So who was OBLs coach for this new BFEE broadcast? My money is on Karl Rove. I'm sure even the idiots-in-charge can see how far out on the edge we are now. We better all hope they still care more about money than their God.
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madmark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 05:59 PM
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209. OBL and Bush; where to begin, the two aholes deserve each other
and oddly have developed a defacto working relationship with all of us caught in between. OBL give Bush leverage over idiots to do any stupid pet project he wants: deficit spend, invade iraq, expand presidential powers to the point of an emperor, win an election, do any other fucked up thing he wants. . . I say leverage over idiots because 9/11 was an event of catastrophic incompetence by Bush and his admin and yet somehow this same event has been used as a fulcrum for power by Bush et al. Bush gives OBL the real US Bogeyman of wahabi rhetorical dreams complete with invasion and occupation of mideast oil country, torture, and US alienation of the rest of the world which OBL parlays into recruiting and support. Bush give OBL room to operate by directing US resources away from him and to Iraq. OBL pops out of wood work with a statement whenever bush needs an approval spike.

I say no truce OBL, for you or for Bush, we're going to get rid of both of you aholes; impeach Bush for the violations of the 4th amendment (and the treason against ms. plame); exterminate OBL and the whole Al Quada crew for 9ll.
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mvd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 09:01 PM
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219. CIA says it's authentic, but..
who trusts them? These Republican thugs have always been scarily obsessed with the Patriot Act and I think the timing of the tape has to do with that. Remember, Norquist even said they want to destroy liberalism. It's obvious that they need the provisions in the Patriot Act for their power grab.
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MakeItSo Donating Member (351 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 11:16 PM
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227.  CIA also said earlier tape real; independent analysts said no

11/19/2002 - Bin Laden Tape Is Genuine, U.S. Experts Conclude

United States intelligence officials have concluded that a recently recorded audiotape that was broadcast on an Arab television network last week is genuine and contains the voice of Osama bin Laden, apparently ending months of debate in the government over whether the elusive terrorist leader is still alive. - New York Times


11/30/2002 - Swiss scientists: "The recording is a fake"

Scientists in Switzerland say they are almost certain that an audio tape attributed to Osama bin Laden is a fake. ... Researchers at the Dalle Molle Institute for Perceptual Artificial Intelligence, in Lausanne, believe the message was recorded by an impostor.

In a study commissioned by France 2 television, researchers built a computer model of Bin Laden's voice, based on an hour of genuine recordings. Using voice recognition systems being developed for banking security, they tested the model against 20 known recordings of Bin Laden. The system correctly identified his voice in 19 of them.

This meant there was only a 5% risk of error in their conclusion that the latest tape is a fake, Professor Herv Bourlard, the institute's director, told the Guardian yesterday. - The Guardian

http://www.guardian.co.uk/alqaida/story/0,12469,851112,...

Click here to go back to the main forums.
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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 09:28 PM
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220. "wasting of billions of dollars ... to merchants of war. is what it is al
about! Why would the war merchants choose to lose money? If that truly was Osama, he is more of an idealist than I ever imagines.
Frankly, I doubt that it was Osama. "osama tapes" are too convieniently timed to help Bush.
Bush needs a way out of this war before the 06 elections. Wouldn't a truce be convenient?
Of course, it could always "fall apart" when ever he needs it to.
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amandabeech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 10:03 PM
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221. Tonight on the PBS Newshour, someone from Rice University,
who was Middle Eastern in appearance and spoke with a slight accent, said that he thought that the tape was written in English and then translated into Arabic.

His reasons were that the speech lacked the extremely flowery language that native Arabic speakers would use and that the speech lacked any reference to Koranic verses, as OBL normally would do to appeal to his admirers.

The fellow then stated that he thought it meant that there were few Arabic speakers around Bin Laden now.

Yeah, right.
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Purveyor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 10:04 PM
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222. Full Text of Bin Laden Tape Addressing the American People
By The Associated Press , 01.19.2006, 05:00 PM

The following is the full text of a new audiotape from al-Qaida leader Osama bin Laden. Parts of the tape were aired on Al-Jazeera television, which published the entire version on its Web site. The text was translated from the Arabic by The Associated Press.

Bin Laden appears to be addressing the American people:

My message to you is about the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and how to end them. I did not intend to speak to you about this because this issue has already been decided. Only metal breaks metal, and our situation, thank God, is only getting better and better, while your situation is the opposite of that.

But I plan to speak about the repeated errors your President Bush has committed in comments on the results of your polls that show an overwhelming majority of you want the withdrawal of American troops from Iraq. But he (Bush) has opposed this wish and said that withdrawing troops sends the wrong message to opponents, that it is better to fight them (bin Laden's followers) on their land than they fighting us (Americans) on our land.

I can reply to these errors by saying that war in Iraq is raging with no let-up, and operations in Afghanistan are escalating in our favor, thank God, and Pentagon figures show the number of your dead and wounded is increasing not to mention the massive material losses, the destruction of the soldiers' morale there and the rise in cases of suicide among them. So you can imagine the state of psychological breakdown that afflicts a soldier as he gathers the remains of his colleagues after they stepped on land mines that tore them apart. After this situation the soldier is caught between two hard options. He either refuses to leave his military camp on patrols and is therefore dogged by ruthless punishments enacted by the Vietnam Butcher (U.S. army) or he gets destroyed by the mines. This puts him under psychological pressure, fear and humiliation while his nation is ignorant of that (what is going on). The soldier has no solution except to commit suicide. That is a strong message to you, written by his soul, blood and pain, to save what can be saved from this hell. The solution is in your hands if you care about them (the soldiers).

The news of our brothers mujahideen (holy warriors) is different from what the Pentagon publishes. They (the news of mujahideen) and what the media report is the truth of what is happening on the ground. And what deepens the doubt over the White House's information is the fact that it targets the media reporting the truth from the ground. And it has appeared lately, supported by documents, that the butcher of freedom in the world (Bush) had decided to bomb the headquarters of the Al-Jazeera in Qatar after bombing its offices in Kabul and Baghdad.

On another issue, jihad (holy war) is ongoing, thank God, despite all the oppressive measures adopted by the U.S Army and its agents (which is) to a point where there is no difference between this criminality and Saddam's criminality, as it has reached the degree of raping women and taking them as hostages instead of their husbands.

As for torturing men, they have used burning chemical acids and drills on their joints. And when they give up on (interrogating) them, they sometimes use the drills on their heads until they die. Read, if you will, the reports of the horrors in Abu Gharib and Guantanamo prisons.

And I say that, despite all the barbaric methods, they have not broken the fierceness of the resistance. The mujahideen, thank God, are increasing in number and strength - so much so that reports point to the ultimate failure and defeat of the unlucky quartet of Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz. Declaring this defeat is just a matter of time, depending partly on how much the American people know of the size of this tragedy. The sensible people realize that Bush does not have a plan to make his alleged victory in Iraq come true.

And if you compare the small number of the dead on the day that Bush announced the end of major operations in that fake, ridiculous show aboard the aircraft carrier with the tenfold number of dead and wounded who were killed in the smaller operations, you would know the truth of what I say. This is that Bush and his administration do not have the will or the ability to get out of Iraq for their own private, suspect reasons.

And so to return to the issue, I say that results of polls please those who are sensible, and Bush's opposition to them is a mistake. The reality shows that the war against America and its allies has not been limited to Iraq as he (Bush) claims. Iraq has become a point of attraction and restorer of (our) energies. At the same time, the mujahideen (holy warriors), with God's grace, have managed repeatedly to penetrate all security measures adopted by the unjust allied countries. The proof of that is the explosions you have seen in the capitals of the European nations who are in this aggressive coalition. The delay in similar operations happening in America has not been because of failure to break through your security measures. The operations are under preparation and you will see them in your homes the minute they are through (with preparations), with God's permission.

Based on what has been said, this shows the errors of Bush's statement - the one that slipped from him - which is at the heart of polls calling for withdrawing the troops. It is better that we (Americans) don't fight Muslims on their lands and that they don't fight us on ours.

We don't mind offering you a long-term truce on fair conditions that we adhere to. We are a nation that God has forbidden to lie and cheat. So both sides can enjoy security and stability under this truce so we can build Iraq and Afghanistan, which have been destroyed in this war. There is no shame in this solution, which prevents the wasting of billions of dollars that have gone to those with influence and merchants of war in America who have supported Bush's election campaign with billions of dollars - which lets us understand the insistence by Bush and his gang to carry on with war.

If you (Americans) are sincere in your desire for peace and security, we have answered you. And if Bush decides to carry on with his lies and oppression, then it would be useful for you to read the book "Rogue State," which states in its introduction: "If I were president, I would stop the attacks on the United States: First I would give an apology to all the widows and orphans and those who were tortured. Then I would announce that American interference in the nations of the world has ended once and for all."

Finally, I say that war will go either in our favor or yours. If it is the former, it means your loss and your shame forever, and it is headed in this course. If it is the latter, read history! We are people who do not stand for injustice and we will seek revenge all our lives. The nights and days will not pass without us taking vengeance like on Sept. 11, God permitting. Your minds will be troubled and your lives embittered. As for us, we have nothing to lose. A swimmer in the ocean does not fear the rain. You have occupied our lands, offended our honor and dignity and let out our blood and stolen our money and destroyed our houses and played with our security and we will give you the same treatment.

You have tried to prevent us from leading a dignified life, but you will not be able to prevent us from a dignified death. Failing to carry out jihad, which is called for in our religion, is a sin. The best death to us is under the shadows of swords. Don't let your strength and modern arms fool you. They win a few battles but lose the war. Patience and steadfastness are much better. We were patient in fighting the Soviet Union with simple weapons for 10 years and we bled their economy and now they are nothing.

In that there is a lesson for you.


http://www.aljazeerah.info/Opinion%20editorials/2006%20Opinion%20Editorials/January/20%20o/Full%20Text%20of%20Bin%20Laden%20Tape%20Addressing%20the%20American%20People.htm
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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 11:10 PM
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226. OBL has been dead since December 2001.
Any tapes made are fiction.
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-20-06 03:23 AM
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230. ***Here's the MSNBC article saying CIA confirms it's Bin Laden:
Edited on Fri Jan-20-06 03:58 AM by Nothing Without Hope
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-20-06 03:26 AM
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231. *** ..and HERE are some threads questioning the tape's authenticity:
Edited on Fri Jan-20-06 03:58 AM by Nothing Without Hope
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=183367
thread title (1-19-06 GD): OBL audio: See voice morphing tech. 1999 WaPo article!!!
Good reason to wonder is it REALLY Bin Laden on those tapes?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x188355#188427
thread title (1-19-06 GD): Something curious about the Bin Laden tape.
An Arabic speaker says that the new tape doesnt seem to be in his style.
Du post in the previous thread:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=188355&mesg_id=190081
Reply #74 (1-20-06): Michael Ledeen {actually misspelled as Micheal Leeden} says OBL died in mid-Dec, 2005

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x189557
thread title (1-19-06 GD): Expert on Lehrer says Bin Laden speech was first written in English --->>>
Post in this thread:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=189557&mesg_id=189833
Reply #14: Wouldn't be the first time an Osama tape was faked
Cites article saying that earlier videotape supposedly by OBL claiming 9/11 attacks is obvious fake shows photos indicating that it is not OBL.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x2379636
thread title (1-19-06 GD-P): Expert from Rice Univ. says Bin Laden tape sounds like
Says it sounds like it was composed in English. Expert from Rice University, Mamoun Fandy.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x188761
thread title (1-19-06 GD): Bin Laden: Read the text and tell me:
It sounds like a Karl Rove spinfest.

...and then there is the timing:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x185646
thread title (1-19-06 GD): What's happening tomorrow, that BushCo would need a distraction?
Why is the new bin Laden tape surfacing noisily right now? Clearly the Bushies have multiple reasons, but Im betting its most related to the leaked DoJ memo legalizing warrantless spying and the confirmation of Alito, who would help to uphold this precedent for unchecked presidential power.
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Rhiannon12866 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-20-06 03:41 AM
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233. Thanks! Wow! Another amazing job!
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oblivious Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-20-06 03:55 AM
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234. Excellent. Thank you.
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