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ECH1969 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 02:44 PM
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Army accepts more low-aptitude recruits
Edited on Fri Dec-16-05 02:47 PM by ECH1969
WASHINGTON The Army met its recruiting goal for November by again accepting a high percentage of recruits who scored in the lowest category on the militarys aptitude tests, Pentagon officials said Thursday, raising renewed concerns that the quality of the all-volunteer force will suffer.

The Army exceeded its 5,600 recruit goal by 256 for November, while the Army Reserve brought in 1,454 recruits, exceeding its target by 112. To do so, they accepted a double digit percentage of recruits who scored between 16 and 30 out of a possible 99 on the militarys aptitude test, said officials who requested anonymity.

Last month, the Baltimore Sun reported that the Army reached its recruiting goals in October by accepting 12 percent from these low scorers, known as Category IV recruits. The Army may accept no more than 4 percent annually, according to Defense Department rules. While officials last month disclosed the percentage accepted in October, Thursday they refused to reveal the November figure.

We are not giving out (aptitude test) categories during the course of the year, said Douglas Smith, a spokesman for the Army Recruiting Command at Fort Knox, Ky.

http://www.fortwayne.com/mld/journalgazette/news/nation...

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ChairmanAgnostic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 02:49 PM
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1. not to mention the civilians at the top.
Being rude and arrogant is not an aptitude measured by these tests.
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asjr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 02:51 PM
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2. Oh Goody! Now Shrub can enlist.
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undeterred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 04:27 PM
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25. My thoughts exactly
Since we've lowered our standards for commander in chief into the sewer, why not just let everyone in?
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54anickel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 02:51 PM
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3. They failed over two-thirds of the test and were accepted? Sheesh,
why bother with the tests at all, they they wouldn't have to worry about keeping below 4 percent a year. Might as well do away the minimum/maximum age requirements while they're at it. Seems it's going to be the only way to reach their quotas. Anyone else feeling a draft?
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DemInDistress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 03:00 PM
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7. I don't believe the draft will work..
It would be like Vietnam all over again.Had the Iraq war been a just,righteous and holy war, maybe. I feel
most Americans would reject any notions of serving in the military under these circumstances and all hell
would break loose inside America. jmho...
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AndyTiedye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 05:57 PM
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32. It's Starting to Feel REAL Drafty


They'll have to MIHOP again to get people to accept it,
especially since they may need to start the draft before the mid-term elections.
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BOSSHOG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 02:57 PM
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4. ADD THE NAVY'S BLUE TO GREEN PROGRAM
Where enlisted and officer personnel who are not performing satisfactorily to remain in the Navy can apply for transition to the Army without losing time in service or paygrade. george bush is slowly ruining our military as his base stands on the sidelines, won't volunteer and waves their flags.

Lindy England, the subject of a Rolling Stones love song -"Dangerous Beauty" on their latest CD

who you got there in that hood
you look so fancy in those photographs
with the rubber gloves on your a favorite with the chiefs of staff
doing such a wonderful job
your'e a natural at working with dogs
keeping everyone awake at night with a touch of the prods
your a dangerous, dangerous, dangerous beauty
If I were your Captain would you salute me.

After almost 50 years, Mick and the Boys just keep on


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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 04:30 PM
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26. Lynndie England
Edited on Fri Dec-16-05 04:30 PM by saigon68
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Angry Girl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 02:59 PM
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5. The dumber they are, the more malleable
Like the photo you posted of that bitch: You can just see the intelligence sparkle in her eyes, no?
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 03:04 PM
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9. They Make "Geat War Criminals" CAUTION GRAPHIC PHOTO
Edited on Fri Dec-16-05 03:12 PM by saigon68



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Angry Girl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 03:08 PM
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10. I agree but, oh, gawd, please put a graphic picture warning on that.!
Those photos really disturb me....
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 03:12 PM
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11. is that better?
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Angry Girl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 03:13 PM
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12. Thanks a million! :-)
:hi:
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Scurrilous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 03:47 PM
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20. If the recruits get any dumber...
...soon the dogs will be the ones holding the leash.
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kineneb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-17-05 01:14 AM
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36. no, if they get any dumber...
we will have to put them in the ground and water them twice a day. (visualize turnips)
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Voltaire99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-17-05 02:01 AM
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38. Exactly. A recruiting move that recalls Tiananman Square...
When China moved to crush the protests in '89, the troops sent in were simpletons from the provinces...
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 03:00 PM
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6. I like how they fuzz up the number of low-aptitude recruits
A "double digit" percentage of low-aptitude recruits. 10%? 99%? How many folks are going into the military with such low test scores? What sort of headaches will these recruits cause in trying to keep them on the straight and narrow, discipline-wise? And how many will be insufficiently supervised and show up in the next round of Abu Ghraib-type photos and videos?

Either fight this fucking war or don't. This half-assed crap just means more innocent people get killed or fucked up. If this war isn't worth fighting, then end it. If it's worth fighting, then get serious about it, and let's get all the best and the brightest we can round up.
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VaYallaDawg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 03:03 PM
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8. Maybe some of the freeper dimwits can now join up.
No, on second thought, this is just their war to be "patriotic" about, not to actually get involved in.
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 03:14 PM
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13. Swell: "Private Bullwinkle reporting for duty, sir."
Do you want your son in a foxhole with some lunkhead who flunked out of high school? That puts lives at risk.
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 03:16 PM
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14. the cream of the crap.
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grytpype Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 03:19 PM
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15. How retarded do you have to be to score that low on the test?


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quispquake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 03:27 PM
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16. In my younger days I took the test...
Back in the early 80's...I scored a 97...and I had heard you only needed a 16 to get in...my decision not to join was based on the fact that I'd have to take orders from 16's that had been there for years...
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IA_Seth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 03:37 PM
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18. Lol..
Yeah I scored a 97 my junior year of high school, back in '94-95 or so. I had the same thoughts about taking orders from people who scored low, as well as taking orders in general. I tended to have a problem with authority.
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heidler1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 04:11 PM
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23. It was the same way back in 1946 after WW2 was over they tried
to get me to reenlist and I was sick of the incompetence.
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trogdor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 04:35 PM
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28. Seen a few of those.
Edited on Fri Dec-16-05 04:36 PM by trogdor
They could not understand why I think the way I do. When I made SGT/E-5 in something like 33 months (it took some of these people seven or eight years), they wondered how in hell I could manage that. My NCOIC (one of the smarter ones), set them straight - because I went to night school, scored high on annual MOS qualification exams (we don't have those anymore - I bet they're back in a few years), and could run two miles three or four minutes faster than most of those bozos, many of whom went through a carton of Newports in two or three days. At 22, I was one of the youngest buck sergeants they've ever seen with a desk job.

So when this Iraq thing blows over, remember that. You can clean up when all your peers are idiots. After an unpopular war we really didn't have to fight, you can bet it will be a loooooooong time before we do it again.
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 03:31 PM
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17.  Google "McNamara's One Hundred Thousand"
Edited on Fri Dec-16-05 03:32 PM by Solly Mack
It's not exactly a recent policy - and it's very telling.
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 04:11 PM
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22. McNAMARA'S MORONS-- I saw that debacle
89,000 bad paper discharges (DD, BCD, Undesirable etc.) from that bunch

They wouldn't follow orders and were generally useless except to consume oxygen
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 04:13 PM
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24. Yep - you said it.
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trogdor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 04:37 PM
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29. Wow.
That's more people than were KIA in 'Nam.
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wakeme2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 03:46 PM
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19. If they lower it a little more... all the members of the Free Repug
will be able to join... :rofl:
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Hekate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 03:49 PM
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21. The words "cannon fodder" do spring to mind, when all's said and done
But then when it comes to cannon fodder, anyone from the highest to lowest will do. Cannons don't discriminate.

Hekate
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superconnected Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 04:35 PM
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27. new name for republicans - catagory IV's
Is this how it worked in Vietnam? Someone could fail near 5/6th of the test?

Chimpy is a cat 4 prez.
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trogdor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 04:38 PM
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30. I'm going to find me a sample exam.
...and answer all the questions by coin flip. I bet I get at least a 16.
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superconnected Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 04:41 PM
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31. if it's 100 questions (it's actually 99) and there are 5 choices for each
Edited on Fri Dec-16-05 04:42 PM by superconnected
question, then the average score for randomly choosing, is 20.
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jazzjunkysue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 11:30 PM
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34. Statistically, you probably would do better than that.
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Gman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 11:18 PM
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33. The Freepers must be getting their kids to enlist!
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Hyernel Donating Member (665 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 11:49 PM
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35. Will there be people enough to work at WalMart?
I know, I know...I'm an elitist!
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Endangered Specie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-17-05 01:28 AM
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37. Why even fucking bother with a test then?
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