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buzzsaw_23 Donating Member (631 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-05 09:49 AM
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Graham Sees 'Revival' for New Orleans ("God has a Plan")
Graham Sees 'Revival' for New Orleans

Tuesday October 4, 2005 3:01 PM

AP Photo NY110

LYNCHBURG, Va. (AP) - Evangelist Franklin Graham told an audience that Hurricane Katrina could lead to a spiritual rebirth of what he called a sinful New Orleans.

``There's been satanic worship. There's been sexual perversion,'' Graham said Monday in an appearance at Liberty University. ``God is going to use that storm to bring revival. God has a plan. God has a purpose.''

Graham's comments, reported by The News & Advance of Lynchburg, were made at Thomas Road Baptist Church's Super Conference 2005 at Liberty. Both the church and the university were founded by the Rev. Jerry Falwell.

``The good news is that God loves sinners. Jesus Christ is coming back and he's alive,'' said Graham, son and designated successor of the Rev. Billy Graham.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/worldlatest/story/0,1280,-5320490,00.html

Sorry Franklin if you were paying attention you would have noticed the first businesses up and running were the strip joints. So maybe G_d(ess) does have a plan.
From jazz, blues and hiphop, to secondlines, Mardi Gras Indians, Parades, Beads, Jazz Funerals, and red beans and rice on Monday nights, New Orleans is a place of art and music and dance and sexuality and liberation unlike anywhere else in the world.


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Benhurst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-05 09:52 AM
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1. God's plan according the Graham family: making money for
the Graham family. :puke:
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-05 12:05 PM
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23. GRAHAM HAS A PLAN -- "For Lining his Own Pockets"
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rsmith6621 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-05 09:53 AM
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2. What About Sinful


Washington DC..........

Graham said......"Hurricane Katrina could lead to a spiritual rebirth of what he called a sinful New Orleans"

Read the bible......sin covers alot of ground.....

Franklin Graham is a corporate preacher unlike his dad Billy who actually preaches from the heart and bible.

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AllyCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-05 09:53 AM
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3. And perversion and devil worshipping just don't happen anywhere else
I can't stand the ridiculous rantings of the religious wrong. Where do they get this stuff? How come they aren't ranting DAILY about Las Vegas?

They are so weird...and sometimes dangerous.
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hobbit709 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-05 09:57 AM
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4. Always dangerous
not just sometimes. People that think(?) like that are ALWAYS dangerous to anyone capable of critical thinking.
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AllyCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-05 09:59 AM
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5. You're right...I gave them too much credit to be background noise only.
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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-05 05:41 PM
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46. EXACTLY!!!!
and just like the other person said, what were the first businesses back up????

this link is funny... the casinos are back baby!!!

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9587405/ "God" at work, yeah... they're all wingnuts!!!
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Richard Steele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-05 10:03 AM
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6. If God actually had a plan....
...Franklin Graham would be hit in the balls
by bolts of lightning, round the clock,
"on the Eights".

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wellstone_democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-05 06:15 PM
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49. lol
that was very very good
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Lars39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-05 10:03 AM
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7. Covetous ass.
I still want to know if it was troops or Blackwater Security protecting his missionaries in Iraq, and if any troops died protecting them.
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-05 10:07 AM
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8. Fuck this crap
damn fools that see the devil everywhere are nothing but trouble for humankind

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tainowarrior Donating Member (425 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-05 10:08 AM
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9. what Satanic worship?
Voodoo? Is that what he refers to?

I hate these self-righteous assholes.
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AllyCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-05 11:05 AM
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18. You know, those little voodoo dolls you can buy. Besides I saw a movie
that showed voodoo happening in New Orleans. So it must be true. :freak:
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tainowarrior Donating Member (425 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-05 11:56 AM
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21. well, i'm sure some do practice voodoo
Voodoo is the majority religion of Haitians, and New Orleans has a long history of Haitian slave descendants in the area.

But voodoo is not Satanism.
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AllyCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-05 12:04 PM
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22. But to the fundies, anything like that must instantly be satanism
I know it's not the same thing. But you and I are not like them (thank heavens). Heck, these people probably think Methodists are satanic (because it's not THEM).
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tainowarrior Donating Member (425 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-05 12:14 PM
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27. anything
that is not a strict carbon-copy of they way they dress, the way they pray, the way they think, etc. is automatically Satanic. Therein lies the problem with fundamentalisms, all over the globe.
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Zynx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-05 12:56 PM
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28. They fundies even used to call Catholicism Satanism.
Bob Jones III called Paul VI "Satan's Bishop". It doesn't surprise me that they would call voodoo Satanism. They are intolerant, greedy morons.
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AllyCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-05 01:11 PM
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29. Fascinating. Had it not been for Catholicism hauling Christianity
through the centuries, the Fundies would not exist. Now whether we can call what they hauled "Christianity" or not is another debate, but nonetheless...

Of course they are greedy. They are CorpoChristians (the true satanists IMHO).
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Zynx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-05 01:23 PM
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30. Indeed. They worship money over Jesus, meaning they are not
really Christians, but materialists.
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AllyCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-05 01:32 PM
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32. So using my flawed logic (but it's better than THEIR logic):
They are worshiping exactly what both the Old and New Testaments warn against. Therefore, they are satanists.

Someone here had a lovely bumpersticker up at Cafe Press that said:

The Religious Right. Enforcing biblical rules, while ignoring bibilical principles.

That about sums it up, eh?
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Zynx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-05 03:51 PM
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34. "Enforcing biblical rules, while ignoring bibilical principles. "
I like that one.
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CatholicEdHead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-05 05:23 PM
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43. Some probably still do
and much of what is apparently eluded to seems to be attacks on specific New Orleans tradtion that came about from their own unique form of Catholoism over the years (e.g. Mardi Gras).
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yellowcanine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-05 10:10 AM
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10. Franklin Graham is a fraud trading on his daddy's name. Shameful.
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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-05 12:05 PM
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24. Only right...his Daddy was a fraud as well
Both are very sick individuals. His Daddy's the better con man though.
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Bridget Burke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-05 12:08 PM
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25. No, Billy Graham made an effort to set up an honest organization.
His son tried the fast life for a while. Then he saw he could make more money preaching. He's made more right-wing pronouncements than his old man ever did.
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hatrack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-05 10:12 AM
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11. So, did "Reverend" Graham forget Mississippi and Texas?
Funny thing, those states also took a great deal of damage from direct hits by hurricanes, and yet there was apparently no divine plan to sweep away sinful behavior in those areas.

Why might that be, Frankie-baby? :eyes:
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ret5hd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-05 10:40 AM
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14. because god is old and his eyes are going...
so his aim's not that good anymore. hell, back in the day he could smite a city and those he warned could WALK far enough away to not be hit!
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oneighty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-05 10:13 AM
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12. Why these God peoples
do not just pray these storms away?

Ans. Because in their money grubbing hearts they dare not put their prayers out for public scrutiny for fear of failure.

Fakers all.

180
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-05 10:15 AM
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13. What about the child-sex rings in LA. run by preachers?
What's Graham say about that???
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AllyCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-05 11:06 AM
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19. CorpoChristains cannot be blamed for those kinds of things.
I'm sure their little god told them to do it.
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iam Donating Member (453 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-05 10:42 AM
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15. It's amazing to me
that gods' plan always involves death and destruction. How 'bout god just making people good and skip the horror?
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tainowarrior Donating Member (425 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-05 10:44 AM
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17. he does...
that's us here at DU. We're trying our best to warn the rest of the sheep from the false prophets.

WE'RE God's plan. I'm sure of it. We good minded people are here to help others.
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Gregorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-05 10:43 AM
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16. And it looks just like DISNEYLAND.
No freaks.
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AndyTiedye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-05 11:34 AM
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20. Yeah, And The Part of Town With the Most "Sin" Was Barely Touched
Edited on Tue Oct-04-05 11:39 AM by AndyTiedye
Bourbon Street and all that are just fine.
It was mostly black residential neighborhoods that got drowned.
What manner of "sin" is he talking about?
Is being black a sin in Franklin Graham's twisted little world?
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Seabiscuit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-05 12:08 PM
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26. STFU, Billy Boy - you friggin' money-grubbing hypocrite!
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damntexdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-05 01:32 PM
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31. I have a question about God's plan:
How much does God plan to expend in no-bid contracts with Halliburton?
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Geo55 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-05 01:43 PM
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33. LOL , if there really is some "god" plan
Folk's like Frankie wouldn't have a clue as to it's purpose.
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Algorem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-05 03:55 PM
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35. "A shining caucasionosity of redemptionamiousness!Can I get an amen?"
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superconnected Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-05 03:56 PM
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36. Grahm, you're alive because God doesn't want you.
And you annoy the hell out of the Devil.
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Zenlitened Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-05 03:57 PM
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37. Franklin Graham? Ugh. Another religion-besotted loon heard from.
:puke:
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-05 04:00 PM
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38. OMFG! Don't these crock shucker's ever STFU?
Not when there's a buck to be made in the name of superstition that wears the badge of Jays'us.
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KamaAina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-05 04:09 PM
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39. If POS Graham were really that concerned about the souls
of New Orleanians, he'd do what street preachers have done for ages: meander up and down Bourbon Street carrying a cross and crying out prophecies of doom.

Then again, that's hardly the way to make sure the big $$$ donations keep flowing in, now is it? :puke:
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geniph Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-05 04:52 PM
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40. Oh right. So none of the people who died
were apparently good Xtians, is that what Frankie is claiming?

FOAD, Frankie, you asshole. I hope one of the surviving relatives beats the crap out of you for that piece of insensitive stupidity.
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melody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-05 05:02 PM
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41. The good news is half this country knows BS when it sees it
Can you believe this cretin? If he wants to clean up sin and depravity, why doesn't he start with Washington DC.

Oh, please, lets start a church that makes everything they do sinful and awful. Can we, huh? Can we?
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savemefromdumbya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-05 05:11 PM
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42. People are so gullible to believe this idiot
who is to say what God is doing?
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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-05 05:37 PM
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45. Amen....
what a foolish man, he doesn't speak for THIS Christian.. and I'm sure he certainly doesn't speak for

GOD! (of all the things to say you are speaking for!)
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KLF44 Donating Member (163 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-05 05:34 PM
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44. Let he who is without sin
cast the first stone. I doubt Mr. Franklin should being comments about how sinful N.O. was unless he is sinless.
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arwalden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-05 05:53 PM
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47. So God Has All This Planned Out? A Big "Master Plan"?
What a simpleton!
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wellstone_democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-05 06:14 PM
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48. He makes me want to become a lesbian stripper
just to piss him off.
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stepnw1f Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-05 06:30 PM
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50. Crazy Bastards!!!
I leave them alone... why can't they leave me alone? Why can't they live in this world without having to oppress others around them? Are they that scared? Or is it all MONEY!
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