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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-05 12:12 PM
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Venezuelans Line Up for Chance to Trade in Junk for Food
Venezuelans Line Up for Chance to Trade in Junk for Food

By Ian James Associated Press Writer

Published: Oct 2, 2005

CARACAS, Venezuela (AP) - Men, women and children line up at a scale to weigh their loot: bags filled with old clothes and newspapers, bent bicycle wheels, rusted bed frames and discarded auto parts.

The junk is tossed into trucks by city workers, and the people take tickets in return to redeem for food as part of an unusual government program, carrying away bags of rice, cans of sardines and bottles of vegetable oil.

"I think it's good people can hand in things they don't need for food, because that's what people need - food," said Maria Bonilla, a 50-year-old single mother who supports two children and a nephew working as a janitor.

She and other Venezuelans who came to turn in their trash Saturday in one Caracas slum said they felt grateful to President Hugo Chavez and his allied mayor, Freddy Bernal, who promote the program as a way to clean up the streets while helping feed the needy.
(snip/...)

http://ap.tbo.com/ap/breaking/MGB2CURFBEE.html
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-05 12:17 PM
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1. Wow!
Awesome program! junk for food...awesome! Chavez really is turning out to be good for Latin America.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-05 10:20 PM
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18. Instead, Americans
eat junk food and litter the streets.
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-05 12:19 PM
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2. i will admit this guy is pretty dam smart
maybe this should be done in the usa....oh i forgot there are no poor folks in the usa! we`re the land of milk and honey!
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w13rd0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-05 12:32 PM
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3. That's cool, almost like a "city beautification" program...
...but one that directly benefits the impoverished as well. I'm wishing Chavez the best of luck. He really seems to have the interests of the common people at heart.
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sam sarrha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-05 12:37 PM
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4. Thats what they need in Afghanistan, Junk..*Herion* for food, keep it off
our streets..

wherever we go for conquest Hard Drugs follow..
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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-05 01:14 PM
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5. We've got to pay the rent somehow.
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sam sarrha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-03-05 10:54 AM
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42. that shit pays for black Opp's and criminal activity
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Moochy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-03-05 11:37 AM
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44. We protect the warlords growing junk over there so that
the redneck mafia can sell it to Europe at rock bottom prices!
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IChing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-05 01:23 PM
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6. I would like to trade my "Junk" president for food
I would gladly turn in my trash for that on a Saturday and feel grateful.
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cantstandbush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-05 03:10 PM
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7. No wonder this administration hate Hugo. He's smart and compassionate.
A brilliant mind and a big heart to help his people. Castro is the same only Castro could not be successful as he would have liked because of the US embargo and sanctions against him. But look at what Castro has done even in the face of the greatest hardships imposed by the US.

Vive Hugo and Castro! With international help (which they won't get) think what Chaves and Casstro could accomplish for their people.
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cantstandbush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-05 03:16 PM
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8. Some enterprising mayor of a major city ought to try this in poorer
ndighborhoods. i think it is a great idea.
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Say_What Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-05 04:10 PM
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9. No lack of ideas in Venezuela...
now if only Bush had a brain.

Oh wait, it wouldn't matter, the corporations would never allow food or medicine for the poor.

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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-05 05:08 PM
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10. You're right, and it's a shame.
That photo says it all. :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

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Say_What Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-05 08:20 PM
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12. Vheadline: USA needs a President just like Venezuela's Hugo Rafael Chavez
their ears musta been burning... :rofl:

<clips>

VHeadline.com commentarist Mary MacElveen writes: To US Senator Mel Martinez, I would say that we who admire President Hugo Chavez Frias do not do so as if we are following a cult leader; we follow him because of his many policies that do meet the needs of his people.

It is not about populism ... but true leadership.

In an article in The Miami Herald entitled “Martinez warns of Chavez populism spreading" I quote: "Sen. Mel Martinez warned on Friday that unless the United States adopts a more comprehensive and active approach toward Latin America, the region risks sliding into populist Chavismo, anti-American sentiment.''

I would like to know if the senator means that we need to invade Venezuela to stop President Chavez ... haven't we done enough damage already with our illegal invasion of Iraq?

http://www.vheadline.com/readnews.asp?id=46200



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TygrBright Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-05 10:04 PM
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15. Oh, please...
>>the region risks sliding into populist Chavismo, anti-American sentiment.''<<

Chavez is NOT "anti-American." He is anti-BUSH, anti-CORPORATE, and anti-UNCHECKED CAPITALISM. Senator Mel Martinez is blowing smoke out his posterior orifice with that "anti-American" horsepuckey.

Anyone who equates "America" with neo-con fascism and uncontrolled corporate greed is either bought and paid for, or hopelessly ignorant.

I have strong reservations about some aspects of Chavez' policies, especially his control of the media. Just as I do about Castro. Neither man is an unblemished saint, each has made some hard choices and bad decisions. But judging by results-- literacy, health care, resources for the poor-- they can hardly be called disasters for their people. On balance, given the limitations and the bias of the information available to us in the U.S., I would be surprised if either Castro or Chavez has had to do worse things to maintain their forms of government/leadership than many American Presidents have done.

If current indications about Chile's elections are accurate, we may FINALLY see Latin America achieve a critical mass of economic and political power in the hands of populist, progressive governments. Given the population of Latin America and the vast natural resources at their disposal, Chavez's remarks about the 21st Century may be prophetic, indeed. I wish the people of Latin America the best... it's time they got a break from the relentless exploitation of post-colonial elitists and fascists.

optimistically,
Bright
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-03-05 02:33 AM
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20. TygrBright, enjoyed your post a great deal, but feel I've GOT to clear up
an impression which may be left in the minds of DU'ers who don't know a lot about the Venezuelan news media.

You have heard a little too much of the deliberate misinformation authored by opposition sources for consumption by people outside Venezuela. It gleefully gets spread here by our right-wing. There are many sources you can use to start looking into this, but I've got a quick reference which might throw some light on this, which you can use for encouragement to keep looking for more info. on the subject until you know you do have the whole picture:
Opposition allegations are repeated constantly, often without rebuttal, and sometimes reported as facts. At the same time, some of the most vital information is hardly reported or not reported at all. For example, the opposition's efforts to recall President Chavez hit a snag in March when more than 800,000 signatures for the recall were invalidated. These signatures were not thrown out but were sent to a "repair process," currently being tallied, in which signers would get a second chance to claim invalidated signatures.

The opposition accused President Chavez of trying to illegitimately deny the people's right to a referendum, and the press here has overwhelmingly echoed this theme. But some vital facts were omitted from the story: the disputed signatures were in violation of the electoral rules, and could legitimately have been thrown out altogether. Furthermore, these rules -- requiring signers to fill out their own name, address and other information -- were well-known to organizers on both sides and publicized in advance of the signature gathering process. <1> These rules are also common in the United States, including California.

But readers of the U.S. and international press would not know this. And few would know that the members of Venezuela's National Electoral Commission -- which is supervising the election -- was appointed by the Supreme Court, with opposition leaders applauding the appointments. <2>

Even worse than most news stories on Venezuela are the editorials of major newspapers, where factual errors have become commonplace. The Washington Post has accused Chavez of holding political prisoners and having "muzzled the press," <3> and referred to the Electoral Commission as "Mr. Chavez' appointees." <4> All of these allegations are incontestably false.

According to the U.S. State Department, "There no reports of political prisoners in Venezuela." <5> And far from being "muzzled," the press in Venezuela is one of the most furiously partisan anti-government medias in the entire world. Two months ago one of Venezuela's most influential newspapers actually used a doctored version of a New York Times' article to allege that the Chavez government was implicated in the Madrid terrorist bombing! <6> But the media has never been censored by the Chavez government. <7>
(snip/...)
http://www.independent-media.tv/item.cfm?fmedia_id=7516&fcategory_desc=Venezuela

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If you ever heard that an independent tv station closed in Venezuela, please be informed that it was NOT Hugo Chavez who did it, but rather the mayor of Caracas, who hates his guts, who did it:
For the past two years Venezuela has seen heated debate between the Chávez government and the major privately-owned media, particularly the TV networks, which denounce state pressures they say are intended to force them into silence -- something that has not occurred so far.
(snip)

”Officials from city hall closed our offices with bars and locks on July 10, and blocked our access to the studios, antenna and transmission equipment,” said station director Márquez.

Catia TV president Blanca Eekhout commented that the closure ”is a flagrant offence against freedom of expression in a community that has produced and broadcast its own programmes for the past year and a half, and harkens back to the attacks on the community media outlets during the dictatorship of Pedro Carmona.”
(snip)

During the ephemeral Carmona government, the state-run Venezolana de Televisión was shut down, and the private TV stations refused to broadcast the Apr. 13 popular uprising, which Chávez spokespersons repeatedly note as ”proof that the ones who most violate freedoms of expression are the opposition.”

The Paris-based media watchdog Reporters Without Borders issued a statement exhorting Peña to give an explanation for the Catia TV closure.

”We ask you to explain your reasons for closing the premises of Catia TV and at the same time we remind you that, whatever they are, they could not justify forcing this station off the air,” wrote the organisation's secretary-general Robert Ménard.

Provea, one of Venezuela's leading human rights groups, called the closure a ”denial of the rights to freedom of expression and information consecrated in the constitution,” and demanded that the city government ”immediately restore these legal guarantees.”

The Community Media Association added its voice to the demands and declared, ”Mayor Peña is depriving the working class communities of western Caracas of the right to inform themselves and express themselves independently.”

”The one who has shut down a media outlet is not President Chávez but rather one of his most ferocious opponents,” said the Association.
(snip/...)
http://www.ipsnews.net/interna.asp?idnews=19274

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Here's an open letter to the Washington Post concerning an article published early this year, attempting to plant that bogus information in the minds of Americans who don't know better:

Published: Saturday, April 02, 2005
Bylined to: Philip Stinard


Venezuela's Media Minister Andres Izarra replies to the Washington Post

The Venezuelan Minister of Communication & Information has replied to Washington Post columnist Jackson Diehl, who stated in an article published March 28 that in Venezuela, journalists are persecuted and the press is censored.
Mr. Jackson Diehl
The Washington Post
Washington DC USA

Mister Diehl:

It's impossible to believe that a journalist at a newspaper as important as the Washington Post is so badly informed as you appear to be in your article "Chavez's Censorship: Where Disrespect Can Land You in Jail," published March 28.

You can believe, if you wish, that Venezuela used to be "the most prosperous and stable democracy in Latin America" (with 80% of the population in extreme poverty, civil strife, and military uprisings), put you can't write, without lying, that in Venezuela, journalists are persecuted and the press is censored, because there isn't a single case that supports what you say.

You say the truth when you affirm that "some newspapers and television stations openly sided with attempts to oust the president via coup, strike or a national referendum." Before being Minister of Information and Communication, I worked as news director for RCTV, an important private TV station in Venezuela. Immediately after the coup of April 2002 against President Hugo Chavez, when hundreds of thousands of Venezuelans took to the streets demanding the return of their elected president, RCTV and other private channels decided not to report on this civil uprising, preferring to broadcast cartoons and old movies. Since I couldn't bring myself to participate in this censorship, I resigned.

As journalist Duncan Campbell reported for the (London) Guardian, "The five principal TV channels gave publicity spots to those who convened the demonstrations that supported the coup." Moreover, the principal media owners in Venezuela assured Dictator Carmona, "We can't guarantee the army's loyalty, but we can promise the media's support" (see "Coup and Counter-Coup," The Economist Global Agenda, April 16, 2002).

The private media promoted all of the campaigns to discredit President Chavez and his policies. For example, during the petroleum industry sabotage of Christmas 2002-2003, more than 13,000 political propaganda advertisements were broadcast in a two month period in order to "animate an economically devastating and socially destabilizing general strike directed at overthrowing Chavez. (These ads) energetically promoted opposition leaders, while at the same time defaming the President and ignoring news that favored him" (see COHA Investigation Memorandum. The Venezuelan Media: More Than Words in Play," Council on Hemispheric Affairs, Press Memorandum 03.18, April 30, 2003). However, despite all this, the openly conspiratorial media were not persecuted, neither then, nor now.

You are lying to your readers, Mister Diehl, when you say, "Beginning this month journalists or other independent activists accused by the government of the sort of offenses alleged by Izarra can be jailed without due process and sentenced to up to 30 years," because you are confusing the law that protects children from obscenity in the broadcast media with the laws on national security and the President's security, which are more strict in the United States.

US Code, Title 18, Section 871, "Threats against the President and presidential successors," prohibits any offense or threat made against the President of the United States. Examples include July 2, 1996, when two people were arrested by the secret service for shouting insults at President Clinton ("You suck and those boys died...") on the occasion of an attack against a military installation in Saudi Arabia in which 19 US soldiers died; or a minister who was arrested for saying "God will hold you to account" to President Clinton, concerning his decision not to prohibit a certain kind of abortion.

US Code, Title 18, Section 1752(a)(1)(ii) declares that it is a crime to intentionally enter a restricted zone during a presidential visit, and it has been used to arrest more than 1,800 demonstrators during the Republican Convention in August of 2004, despite the fact that the demonstrators were several blocks from President Bush's location; it was also used to arrest a gentleman for carrying a sign against war on October 24, 2002, during Bush's visit to Ohio; also arrested was a dead soldier's mother for wearing an anti-war t-shirt during a speech by First Lady Laura Bush in New Jersey; and a couple in West Virginia was arrested for wearing anti-Bush t-shirts during a rally.

You know, Mister Diehl, that the Patriot Act together with an Executive Order give President Bush the power to determine when a person represents a threat to the United States. If the person is a US citizen, he can be detained for an indefinite length of time without rights, be declared an enemy of the state, and even lose his citizenship. If the person is not a US citizen, he can be detained without any rights and be brought before a secret military tribunal without anyone, not even his family members, finding out. If a foreigner in the US says that "Bush is the Devil," he can be imprisoned and end up in Guantanamo.

Your interest in having people believe that in Venezuela, journalists are threatened like foreign agents, is understandable due to the number of agents that act as journalists, in both Venezuela and the US, to diffuse opinions concocted by the US State Department:

Declassified documents from the State Department (from the NGO National Security Archives) concerning the US Office of Public Diplomacy, managed by Otto Reich during the 1970's, demonstrate that the Washington Post was one of the newspapers used by the US government to spread its black propaganda against the Sandanista government. Washington Post journalist Marcela Sanchez publicly stated that in the months before the August 2004 presidential referendum, in which President Chavez was reaffirmed, (Roger) Noriega and others in the State Department visited the Washington Post's editorial board in order to influence its reporting on that topic.

Or have you forgotten, Mister Diehl, that journalist Maggie Gallagher, who collaborated with the Washington Post, was accused of accepting money in exchange for supporting one of President Bush's proposed Constitutional Amendments?

I can't imagine, Mister Diehl, how you came up with the terms "without due process" and "summarily," which you repeat in order to give the false impression of a dictatorial Venezuela that only exists in your imagination and in that crazy quilt of scraps that is your article. Surely, it will sound "ridiculous" to you, but now and for the first time in history, the press is more free in Venezuela than in the United States. Is that what bothers you, Mister Diehl?

It is not President Chavez' fault that the Bush administration can control the globalized world with the same methods and the same men as in the 1970s. It's not my fault if the Washington Post of Katherine Graham ... which was an example for the world in the Watergate case ... now acts as if it had been bought by the Nixon Family.

Instead of your incomplete, cartoonish, and malicious portrait of Venezuelan media and laws, I would have preferred to see, from a respectable "independent newspaper," a balanced analysis of our informative landscape. But I think that it's more likely that we'll find out, in the not-so-distant future, that you too, Mister Diehl, receive money from the State Department.

Andres Izarra
Minister of Communication and Information

Respuesta del Ministro Andrés Izarra
al diario Washington Post
http://www.vheadline.com/readnews.asp?id=29153



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Dancing_Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-03-05 03:01 AM
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22. Good Answer!!!
The key is not to trust the US corporate "news" media about anything these days, they lie so much and so shamelessly, there's no way anyone could possibly figure out what's really going on in the world today from such a systematically tainted source.
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Laughing Mirror Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-03-05 09:30 AM
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30. The press is more free in Venezuela than in the United States
"Is that what bothers you, Mister Diehl?"

Wonderful! Perfect letter to Washington Post! How true. The Post has done pretty well for itself in the disinformation business, disseminating the lies given them to print for many a year, at least as far back as COINTELPRO, but it must go further. Mister Diehl may himself, like Judy Miller, be building a lucrative career regurgitating the constant tricks and lies of our intelligence agencies. But everything is so secret in our open democracy, so who knows?

Thanks so much Andrés Izarra, Mr. Minister, for setting the Post straight. And, as always, thank you Judi Lynn for, as always, having the goods on these liars.

They think they're fooling everybody, but they're not fooling us.
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Say_What Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-03-05 06:26 PM
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47. Izarra's letter to the WP is excellent!!
Thanks for posting! :bounce:

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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-05 10:26 PM
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19. I'm concerned for
Chavez..all exposed like that. I want him to be around for a long time. NOt like Allende.

snip~
"Allende's Leftist Regime"
"I don't see why we need to stand by and watch a country go communist due to the irresponsibility of its people."

Henry Kissinger

snip~

"President Nixon directed CIA to prevent Allende's inauguration through a military coup. One of the opponents of a coup, Army Chief of Staff General Rene Schneider was assassinated, but Allende took office as scheduled."


More..
http://www.fas.org/irp/world/chile/allende.htm
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Bravo411 Donating Member (263 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-05 08:12 PM
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11. Chavez continues to set the bar
regarding the role of government and its relationship to the people.

If something like this happened here in America, Halliburton would get the contract, distribute rotted food, then inflate the costs of the operation to make a bigger profit off of their cost+ no bid contract. Then they'd probably take all the junk they collected and throw it on the roadside.
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WannaJumpMyScooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-05 08:33 PM
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13. and then get a contract to clean the roadsides up
and sell the stuff back to people who need it at twice what they paid.

Come on, what kind of biz thinking is that?
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-05 08:37 PM
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14. Progressive. Very progressive. Maybe, I should move to,...
,...Venezuela 'cause it continues to be my kind of progressive nation.

Chavez is truly unique and a great leader.
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cantstandbush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-05 10:13 PM
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16. Judy, I hope this post gets some more "recommendations" More
people need to know about this.
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-03-05 03:00 AM
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21. Thanks, cantstandbush. I was stunned when I saw this article.
It's about as far from our MEpublican citizens' "me first" way of life as you could get, isn't it?

The people in Venezuela, over 80% living below the poverty line, who have been forced to live in tin covered shacks, stacked one on top of the other, up and down the sides of mountains surrounding Venezuelan cities have lived and died without doctors, schooling, or a decent chance of being able to make it out of these terrible barrios, which wash down the sides of the mountains in heavy rains/mudslides, and which burn uncontrolably, with no roads for fire trucks.

As poll takers will NOT go up into the barrios, just like Venezuelan doctors (although Cuban doctors certainly can and do), they are never included in popular polls, which always come out favoring the very narrow group of Venezuelan elites and their attitudes.

I hope Hugo Chavez somehow beats the plans for assassination undoubtedly all around him, from the opposition, and from this country, and will live a long, safe, healthy life, as he is doing the work ALL of the previous Venezuelan Presidents should have done before him. He's carrying the hopes and prayers of the poor with him every day.



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hollowdweller Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-05 10:14 PM
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17. We need that program here in WV for old auto tires and appliances

Chavez is a smart guy. He knows the best way to advance socialisim is to make it actually work.
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Why Syzygy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-03-05 06:07 AM
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23. Public works at its finest.
:thumbsup:
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-03-05 09:01 AM
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Coexist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-03-05 09:20 AM
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25. Define "Our"
Edited on Mon Oct-03-05 09:22 AM by FLDem5
also - who says they are picking up trash? They are turning in stuff they don't need or use for something they need and will use. Moran.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-03-05 09:24 AM
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Coexist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-03-05 09:27 AM
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27. first - answer my question
who is this "our" you are referring to.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-03-05 09:28 AM
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Coexist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-03-05 09:31 AM
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31. My answer is that there ARE recycling programs that indigent people
already use - they just get cash instead of food. Have you never heard of people rooting through trash bins for cans?? Already here - just a different form of payment. I don't see any screaming headlines - do you?
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tainowarrior Donating Member (425 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-03-05 09:41 AM
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33. hey,
people don't like to die of hunger, but they do.

venezuela, beyond all the revolutionary stuff, is a poor country. If the program feeds the people and cleans up the streets, why not? Imagine if we did the same here, or in my country of Puerto Rico. Puerto Rico is known to be one of the more per capita garbage-laden countries in the world (I've seen the trash everywhere, on street corners, on roadsides, on beaches, etc.)

If they guaranteed food for everyone here on the condition that they helped clean the streets, it would be an efficient use of people's labor power. People get fed and streets are clean. Just because i'm supportive of living wages and a decent, humanitarian welfare state doesn't mean I think poor, unemployed people should just linger in the streets doing nothing. My attitude is find whatever you can do (even cleaning toilets), do a good job with it, and get compensated for it. If you want to be doing more than toilet cleaning, put the effort that I and others who have received educations have to getting better jobs. There's got to be a balance between pulling yourself up by your boostraps and efficient welfare state that assures no one goes hungry, homeless, or without healthcare.
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PunkPop Donating Member (847 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-03-05 09:53 AM
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34. Rooting "through" you mean?
I doubt anybody roots "for" trash. Maybe though.

Funny how you take an item from the news, mischaracterize it and then accuse others of hypocrisy. That seems so familiar to me. Hmmm. Where HAVE I seen that before...?
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Coexist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-03-05 10:27 AM
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36. Rooting for trash - lol!
Gooooo trash... Pile up, pile up, Go trash Go!!

Gimmee a T !!

sorry - too funny for a Monday.
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-03-05 10:32 AM
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39. We have our own cheerleader in the White House
Edited on Mon Oct-03-05 10:32 AM by Judi Lynn
who is trashing the entire world!

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UncleSepp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-03-05 10:52 AM
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41. Enough of the trashy cheerleaders! ROFL!
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-03-05 10:27 AM
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37. I think this thread has run through a troll crossing zone.
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-03-05 10:21 AM
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35. It's obvious you're angling for a way to disrupt this thread,yet you could
Edited on Mon Oct-03-05 10:47 AM by Judi Lynn
use the time more profitably by doing searches on the questions you purport to have about food distribution, and save yourself the trouble, while feeling a sense of accomplishment, thereby raising your level of self esteem!

Venezuela has an excellent food distribution program in place, offering food at much lower prices to the poor than they have been used to paying. Also, there is an area in each neighborhood where they can all go and receive one free hot meal each day, sorta like the Meals on Wheels, but they simply walk over and pick it up themselves, since most don't have cars, of course.

I don't have much time to spend running around gathering sources for you but maybe this can help:
In Venezuela, with the little resources - few resources - we have initiated a program to bring food to feed the poor people in Venezuela, and we are covering today 15 million people in Venezuela - receiving this food distribution and assistance. And most of them receive this food for free, and others a percentage, they have to pay only 50 percent of the total amount for the food they eat. Of course this is possible only if the people themselves, participate and with a new awareness.
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http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=05/09/20/1330218

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On June 26, Venezuela's President Hugo Chavez hosted his weekly TV show from the city of Coro, about six hours west of Caracas on the Caribbean coast. The 226th episode of Hello President was dedicated to the launching of a new food market and "food houses", both state-run centres that provide discounted basic foodstuff.

During the program, Chavez said that the aim was to provide for more than 15 million citizens, or about 60% of the population. Mercal is a food distribution network that currently distributes over 4 million tons of food every day and employs over 47,000 people. His announced increase in the number of shops will be funded by the profits that Citgo, an affiliate of the oil industry body PDVSA, made in the US market during the first quarter of 2005.
(snip)

During the December 2002-January 2003 oil industry sabotage and lockout of workers, the local community joined with sections of the military and national government to provide a network of food distribution to counter the shortages caused by the lockout. This system was later organised into the Mercado de Alimentos (Mercal) food market in April 2003. At that time three shops were launched. Now, there are 14,185 such shops throughout the country.
(snip)

The shortage of food has been part of the ongoing problem of agricultural land ownership in Venezuela. It is estimated that 75% of the land is owned by 5% of the population. Much of this is either used for export food production and the rest is not being used at all. During the big oil boom of the early 1970s, the Venezuelan government and large industry simply relied on importing food using the oil revenues and so there was never any plan for domestic food production.
(snip)

Mercal is also the provider for the food houses, which are organised in the local communities. Up to now they had been run by volunteers from the local community but as of July, those that are working in the food houses will receive a subsidy. During the Hello President program, Chavez announced the creation of another 1000 food houses, taking the total to over 5000 nationwide.

The food houses are part of the program to feed the most needy. They are organised in the barrios by the local community to cater for 150 people. Working with Mission Barrio Adentro and the local health committees, they decide the 150 most needy people in the local community including the homeless, young children, elderly, disabled, pregnant women and people with social problems.

The lunch and afternoon tea that is provided between Monday and Saturday accounts for 77% of their necessary daily protein and calorie intake. It is planned that by the end of July the food houses will be able to provided for 900,000 people.
(snip)
http://www.zmag.org/content/showarticle.cfm?SectionID=40&ItemID=8284

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Getting more and more animated, Olivia dragged me over to a poster on the wall showing Hugo Chavez with a throng of followers and a list of Venezuela’s new social programs that read: “The social programs are ours, let’s defend them.” Then slowly and laboriously, she began reading the list of social programs: literacy, health care, job training, land reform, subsidized food, small loans. I asked her if she was just learning to read and write as part of the literacy program. That’s when she started crying. “Can you imagine what’s it has meant to me, at 52 years old, to now have a chance to read?” she said. “It’s transformed my life.”
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http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0817-01.htm

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If the shops are not selling affordable food - he creates a parallel, creates subsidised shops, and if people are still going hungry - he creates another parallel, provide food and make the communities responsible for cooking and sharing the meals.
(snip/...)
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Venezuela_page/Venez_Country_Parallels.html

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If you'll click on these links, here are some photos of how the small food kitchens operate in the barrios:

http://www.salonchingon.com/exhibits/caracas2004/source/barrio-day4-bests-02.html

Women in La Vega hand out free meals to children, seniors, handicapped people, and indigent men and women. Hundreds of new government-sponsored community kitchens provide 3 meals a day in the barrios, and state food markets sell staples at below market prices.

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http://www.salonchingon.com/exhibits/caracas2004/source/web-barrio-day4-bests-06.html

Within the past year, the fruits of the process have appeared in every barrio. The referendum demonstrated to outsiders what people in the barrios have known for months: there has been a profound social awakening here, energizing a well-organized grass-roots movement that is aided by the government. Among other accomplishments, these community organizations brought out the vote like never before.

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http://www.salonchingon.com/exhibits/caracas2004/source/barrio-goods-37.html

The backbone of the "Bolivarian Revolution" are the "missions," social programs filling a vacuum in the barrios. They succeed thanks to a virtual army of unpaid workers--cooking, teaching, organizing, mapping neighborhoods, treating patients. They live off of free food, free health care, neighbors and family.

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It's so much better to light a candle than to bother DU'ers with retarded attempts to confuse the issue.
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-03-05 10:36 AM
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40. Rather than attempting to argue about it, please take the time
to read the snippets I provided for you, and look at the photos I contributed to prevent your repeating your confused remarks which are totally unfounded.

Your "difference of opinion" has been shown to be based either on confusion, ignorance, or a will to disrupt. It needs to represent the truth to be respected. Otherwise, you're wasting our time, and you're disrupting.
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tainowarrior Donating Member (425 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-03-05 09:29 AM
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29. in a rich country with plenty of resources
Edited on Mon Oct-03-05 09:29 AM by tainowarrior
we'd be justifiably angry. It would be a testament to our wastefulness that we can't feed everyone through normal, tax-funded welfare institutions (like Europe does).

In Venezuela, the intent is clearly not to denigrate the poor or make them feel less, but be efficient with lesser resources.

It all comes down to intent, because there's nothing wrong with the U.S. being efficient with the resources too, but we know Chavez intends to dignify the poor, while Bush intends to throw them crumbs. That's why we're not so judgmental with Chavez, as we would be with Bush.
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-05 11:26 AM
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50. Bah. Missed the party. Has the pizza arrived?
Or it's just deleted messages for now?
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-05 11:36 AM
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52. A new poster came, all ready to kick major DU butt, but he misfired.
He was just opening his can of whoop-ass, and the lights went off for him. Poor, poor fella.

You've seen his type a million times already, no doubt: contentious, antagonistic, rude, stupid........

I'm reminded of this sign designed to impress pResident Bush on a trip to Charlotte, N.C.

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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-03-05 11:29 AM
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43. Chevron contributing new high-school in Venezuela!
Published: Friday, September 30, 2005
Bylined to: VHeadline.com Reporters


Chevron inaugurates high school complex for 500+ students in western Zulia

Chevron has formally inaugurated the new infrastructure of the Santo Domingo de la Calzada Education Unit (Unidad Educativa Santo Domingo de la Calzada) at Km.48 on the road to Perija highway in western Zulia State.



It's the first high school in the area and is designed to accommodate more than 500 students drawn from communities neighboring Chevron's western Venezuela operations.

Previously, students had been faced with the option of either continuing their education in Maracaibo or leaving school once they had finished elementary education.
The school is located in the Andres Bello Parish of La Canada de Urdaneta municipality and was developed in partnership with local authorities and the Andres Bello Parish Neighborhood Association.

The infrastructure encompasses 10 fully-equipped buildings with 16 modern classrooms, each with a 36 student capacity; an auditorium, library, physics, chemistry, biology and computer laboratories; nursing and recreational areas, football, basketball, volleyball and multiple-use courts; kitchen and dinning room; residence for teachers and a water filtration unit. The students will also receive meals each day and two school buses provided by Chevron will be at their disposal.

Chevron Latin America Upstream president Ali Moshiri says “once we built eleven schools to attend the primary education needs of these communities, (there was) the obvious need to guarantee high school education for the 3,000 students that will graduate from these schools ... assisting youngsters in their long-term education is a crucial objective for Chevron. For this reason the company develops initiatives to provide infrastructure and resources to promote education.”
(snip/...)

http://www.vheadline.com/readnews.asp?id=46185

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Sure hope they're on the level, and REALLY interested in the welfare of the poor in Venezuela.


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1932 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-03-05 11:46 AM
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45. In Graham Greene's book about General Torrijo in Panama
there is a part where Greene writes about how one of the things American companies doing business in Panama worked against was building schools. IIRC, Greene visisted a rural town where the government was building a school. People in the town described how the American (corporate, IIRC) owners of plantations in the community actively lobbied against the construction of the school. I wish I could remember more of the details. The implication, however, was clear: education would bring an end to the miserable conditions which guaranteed the plantations cheap labor, so the corporate farmers didn't want schools built.

Who knows. Maybe Chevron benefits from an educated workforce in Venezuela?

I have a personal anecdote to add about Chevron. I attended a speech by a Venezuelan minister a couple months ago. In the audience was the president of Chevron, whom the minister warmly introduced to the audience. I thought it was a nice show of solidarity. However, during the presentation an audience member asked why Chavez was stacking the courts. This elicited a vigorous nodding from the Chevron president (which elicited an eye-roll from me). The minister explained the deal with the courts (everything they were doing was in the constitution, the court was very conservative, etc). After the speech, the Chevron president didn't stick around for the reception. After a few words with the minister, he headed out the door by himself. So, just judging from body language, I'd guess Chevron is trying to work with Venezuela (they're willing to meet the minister and listen to his talk), but they're not really on the same ideological page.
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-03-05 11:57 AM
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46. Something's up, 1932, if the president of Chevron attended that meeting!
Very, very interesting. I'll remember this for quite a while. Really worth consideration.

There's no doubt those huge companies HAVE to have masses of ultra-poor they can pay very little to allow maximum profits, right?

I admit, I had very mixed feelings seeing that article, myself. I am very reluctant to draw a quick conclusion as to their motives. It would be heaven to believe they are genuinely concerned and mean to actually improve the quality of life for the people in the neighborhood of their property, since they are using both them and the land.

Sounds like there was a freeper in the audience. I'm glad to hear the minister was up to the task, and informed enough to give a factual response. A lot of people don't know anything, and that's what these people rely on, in order to keep the lies in place.
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-05 08:10 AM
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48. This is the new Cooperative Economy...
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-05 10:28 AM
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49. That article gives reason for hope, pointing out how LARGE the movement
has become. I hope it keeps expanding.

The article was written before Nestor Kirchner was elected in Argentina, it's good to point out. I'm sure he's on the right side, having been a man who, himself, was tortured by the right-wing scum controlling Argentina when he was a young man. He knows what misuse of power looks like, up close.

I hope he'll be a big help getting Argentina back on the road, after Bush's corrupt family friend, former President Carlos Menem did his damage to the entire country.
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-05 11:29 AM
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51. Interview with Hugo Chavez and Amy Goodwin, from September 25.
Hugo Chávez Speaks
By Amy Goodman*
AlterNet

Amy Goodman: Welcome, Mr. President, to the United States. You have come to a country whose government you have accused of trying to assassinate you. What evidence do you have of this, and of your other charge that it was involved with the attempted coup against you?

President Chávez: Thank you for the invitation to come to this show, Juan, Amy and Margaret -- and my greetings to all the people, viewers and listeners to these well-known programs. Let's talk about life, rather than death, because we are fighting for life. However there are always threats -- those who are devoted to the struggle for life, and use the truth as a flag and principles as a lifeline.

There is no doubt whatsoever that the U.S. government, led by Mr. Bush, planned and participated in a coup d'etat in Venezuela in April 2002. There are many proofs and evidence of this. There is a U.S. lady who wrote a book called the Chávez's Code, Mrs. Eva Golinger, and she is very close and there are declassified documents that she has found thanks to an effort to investigate the situation.

I have many evidences that my assassination was ordered on April the 12th, and I was ready to die. However, thank God and thanks to the Venezuelan people and thanks to the Venezuelan soldiers, this order was not accomplished. This order was given by Washington. And there are many evidences and witnesses, however I would like to talk about life and greet the U.S. people with a lot of affection, with a lot of love and with a lot of pain due to the tragedy in New Orleans and the gulf states.

We've been accompanying these states from the very beginning, and we've been watching TV and receiving reports by our ambassadors and the CITGO people from the very beginning, cooperating very humbly trying to save lives and assist the homeless. We have offered assistance, up to five million dollars, a very modest sum, but I guess it would be useful. We have offered medicine, water, and electric power plants, the same way Cuba offered doctors. So far we have not been authorized to reach the area. However, we hope the best for the poor, the poorest of these countries.
(snip/...)

http://www.globalpolicy.org/empire/intervention/2005/0922chavezinterview.htm
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