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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-22-03 04:02 PM
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US Soldiers to America: Bring Us Home Now
US Soldiers to America: Bring Us Home Now (Pt. 5)
Thursday, 23 October 2003, 9:41 am
Column: Jay Shaft

US Soldiers to America:
''Bring Us Home Now! We’re dying for oil and corporate greed!''

Part 4 in a 5 part series
Interviews by Jay Shaft
Coalition For Free Thought In Media
17th October 2003
See also…
US Soldiers to America: Bring Us Home Now (Pt. 1)
US Soldiers to America: Bring Us Home Now (Pt. 2)
US Soldiers to America: Bring Us Home Now (Pt. 3)
US Soldiers to America: Bring Us Home Now (Pt. 4)

( CFTM Editors Note: I have been getting an extreme amount of hate mail from people calling me a liar and saying I made these articles up out of thin air. I can deal with attacks on me and slander directed at me. What I cannot tolerate is all those who claim to be vets and serving soldiers who attack these brave men, call them cowards, and smear their names with hate and slander. These men were extremely brave and I believe they are true heroes for having the courage to speak out, knowing the military could come after them and make their lives a living hell. If you want to spout any hatred, then direct it towards me, not these brave soldiers who are standing up for what they believe is right.)

I had the unique opportunity to interview five US military servicemen who just got back from Iraq, or in the case of two men, corresponded with their wives so that I could ask questions of these soldiers by mail. When the two I corresponded with came back just last week, I was able to complete the interviews I started several months ago with some new details on how the war is actually going.

I was shocked and angered at how bad it really has become when I found out how many of the service men hate being in Iraq and want nothing to do with rebuilding and policing the devastated nation. From the conversations I had, many soldiers never wanted to go over to Iraq and fight, and the ones who had were now convinced of the awful crime that had been committed against Iraq and our own troops. I was told very few soldiers now believe in staying in Iraq, or want to stay in the country and serve any more days.

The following interview is with an enlisted man who has not been in the military that long. He is not really mad at Bush or the leaders and he does not want to get out of what he sees as his duty to serve in Iraq. I had to get the voice of a normal soldier that was for the most part happy with his duty and obligation to is country. He is mad that his buddies have been killed, and had never seen any combat death before Iraq. He is upset by reports of poor treatment of reservists that have been wounded, and is suffering the low morale that is dominating most of the military in Iraq.

He wanted to get the job done and go back to the school and training the military was sending him through. Now he is stuck in a combat job he never thought he would have. He is afraid his career is going to be spent fighting an enemy he does not know. He has a great hatred for the Iraqis as a people in general, and in particular hates the ones attacking him and his fellow soldiers. It is not just a general dislike of the Iraqis, but a true and burning hatred. (snip/...)

http://www.scoop.co.nz/mason/stories/HL0310/S00195.htm

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jab105 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-22-03 04:27 PM
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1. Oh my gosh...
speechless...

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UpInArms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-22-03 04:33 PM
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2. seems like that soldier had a great deal of
misplaced anger -

anger at the only people that want him home alive (other than his family)

anger at the people of Iraq for being unhappy with a military occupation

sure wish he could get his anger at the politicians and corporate whores honed in a little better...
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never cry wolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-22-03 05:11 PM
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4. i am literally in tears
reading about the letter for his daughter. this poor guy has been indoctrinated and brainwashed. all the fucking spin we have heard they have been told by their superiors is gospel!!

MIA -- "Joking? Hell no I’m not joking! Why the f..k would I joke about something like that? I keep seeing these ungrateful motherf..kers attacking us after we came in and tried to help ‘em. I thought they would thank us for all we did and all they did was try to kill us. Now all of ‘em are trying to kill us and it needs to stop. F..k them all, man we just need to start killing ‘em in mass quantities and then they’ll get the message not to f..k with the US."

FUCKING LYING SHITS IN THE ADMIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ARGHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!

:nuke: :puke: :nuke: :puke: :nuke: :puke:

out of high school, one of my good buddies enlisted in the marines. after he got out of boot camp and got a leave home we had a party for him. he went around taking us down to the ground, hand on neck screaming that he could kill us in 3 seconds. it is a technique by the military to "recondition."
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Mountainman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-23-03 07:19 AM
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11. I remember being taught the "take down and strangle"
I was like that marine at one time. I was amazed at how easy it was to kill someone if the conditions were right and I just had to show it to people.

You should remember that the marine was going to be sent to a place where his main job every day would be to survive the day. Anything that they could teach him to save his life was for his benefit in my opinion.
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mhr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-22-03 05:07 PM
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3. This Is One Demoralized Soldier

"Well I’m sick of this sh.t. I have to go see my daughter now. I only have a few days left. Pray for me and support me. F..k that protesting bullsh.t, it won’t bring me home. The only way I’m coming home is if we kill all those rag heads and get it done quick!"
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FlemingsGhost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-22-03 06:19 PM
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5. No can do, pal.
Remember, this is a "Crusade" you are on, and George W. Bush was chosen by God Almighty himself to lead the charge.

Now... "Get Over It"

(I can't tell who this dude has more contempt for, the Iraqi people or his own countrymen. "Hippies"... Whatever.)
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evworldeditor Donating Member (285 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-22-03 10:36 PM
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6. A must read for every American
I can't imagine what it was like to do these interviews -- and I hope DU'er read all of them -- much less have been through what these guys have been through. These are very angry men who are gradually coming to the realization that they have been f...d over by the rich, power elite.

Now multiple the anger of these five guys times two -- assuming they have spouses -- times 140,000 guys and gals who are starting to question what they are fighting for. We're going to have some serious domestic violence come out of this... and in about two to five years tens of thousands of war-related illnesses from depleted uranium poisoning and other assorted Mideast bugs.

All so we can have cheap oil for our SUVs.

Gawd, what a f..ked up country!
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FlemingsGhost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-22-03 10:59 PM
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7. Huh?
"He is not really mad at Bush or the leaders and he does not want to get out of what he sees as his duty to serve in Iraq."

I see a lot of anger towards "ragheads" and hippies." Last I looked, neither were the "rich, power-elite."
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TheLastMohican Donating Member (753 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-23-03 03:34 AM
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8. If this is not a staged interview, then this man is a nazi arse
"Do you know what those ungrateful mother f..kers are doing to us now? We gave them freedom and got rid of Saddam and they want to turn around and kill us. Fuck them sand niggers, all of ‘em are better off dead. I hate all of them and if I could line ‘em up and blow ‘em all away, I would. If we really wanted to make sure the f..kers didn’t kill us, we would just start killing their kids until they stopped fighting us."

Now imagine an Iraqi man in his early 30's who has lost his wife and kids in a bombing or during an accidental shoot-out due to american invasion. What would be his most natural reaction?........


P.S. And killing kids won't help this crazy maniac killer. This usually brings more resistance than pacification.
Watch out, this guy will get home sooner or later (if ever). Would you sleep tight knowing what a homicidal character lives next door?
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-23-03 07:25 AM
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12. He will someday barricade himself in a building
Then the SWAT team will take care of him
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Tom Yossarian Joad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-23-03 03:52 AM
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9. I'm not sayinfg that this is or is not legit, but the conversation and
syntax throughout seems contrived to me.
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0rganism Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-23-03 04:42 AM
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10. I get the same vibe, somehow something seems... authored?
I don't know what did it, but from about the point in the interview where CFTM says he was "grabbed by the neck" onward, it seemed like fiction. *shrug* No more fictionalized than that official "letter from the troops" was, anyway.
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