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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-13-05 04:45 PM
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Louisiana nursing home operators charged in deaths
Edited on Tue Sep-13-05 05:08 PM by sabra

http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/N13398578.htm

Louisiana nursing home operators charged in deaths

BATON ROUGE, Sept 13 (Reuters) - The owners of a nursing home where 34 people were found dead after Hurricane Katrina have been arrested and charged with 34 counts of negligent homicide for not evacuating those patients, the Louisiana attorney general's office said on Tuesday.

Mable Mangano and Salvador Mangano Sr. surrendered to Medicaid fraud investigators in Baton Rouge late Tuesday afternoon and were being held in a parish prison.

The Manganos declined an offer from St. Bernard Parish authorities of buses to evacuate the residents of their facility, on top of a contract with an ambulance service they already had but did not use, the state said.

"When we decide we're going to put ourselves in harms way, we do it voluntarily and it's our problem. But you can't do it when you have the care and control and custody of patients," Attorney General Charles Foti told a briefing.



edit: added more details
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xultar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-13-05 04:47 PM
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1. Now if we can get them to arrest brown for the deaths @ the convention
centre it will be all good!
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Birthmark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-13-05 04:48 PM
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3. Not just Brown
Bush accepted responsibility.
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LSparkle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-13-05 04:47 PM
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2. which authorities? FEMA?
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-13-05 04:52 PM
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6. since FEMA turned away buses and food, too
Shouldn't Brown, Bush, and Chertoff be charged, too?

rocknation
:wow:
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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-13-05 05:09 PM
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15. St. Bernard Parish authorities
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LiberalinNC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-13-05 04:49 PM
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4. Sickening!!! What they did!
Edited on Tue Sep-13-05 05:39 PM by LiberalinNC
To leave sick and old people to die like that, it's just awful!
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Ilsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-13-05 04:49 PM
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5. As a nurse, this really scares me.
Edited on Tue Sep-13-05 04:50 PM by Ilsa
I don't know all of the details. I keep wondering: what if they called for help evacuating the day before and no one came? What were they supposed to do if they couldn't get help moving them?

NEVER MIND; I JUST SAW THE LAST LINE.
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nothingshocksmeanymore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-13-05 04:54 PM
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7. This pound of flesh shit is maddening
Here is a longer article. It appears they declined help because they HAD assistance lined up with another facility and that fell through. Perhaps it was too late to do otherwise once power went out.

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Various accounts have surfaced: that the Manganos thought they had the situation in hand and refused buses offered by local officials; that an agreement with another nursing home for transportation somehow fell apart.

What is known is that of some 60 patients — elderly, mentally disabled, convalescents — about half were found dead at the facility. It has been reported that those who could walk got out and those who were bedridden didn't make it. It also has been reported that a table had been found nailed over a window, apparently in a last desperate attempt to halt the deluge.

When they think about the last minutes there, people simply shake their heads and fall silent, unable to express what they imagine.
http://www.palmbeachpost.com/localnews/content/local_news/epaper/2005/09/12/m1a_katrina_main_0912.html
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-13-05 04:54 PM
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8. If they refused to evacuate the residents
and left them to die...throw the book at them. But it won't surprise me if the facts are not that clear.

onenote
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nothingshocksmeanymore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-13-05 04:56 PM
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9. That does not appear to be the case. The article I cited above
states they had an arrangement with another facility and that is why they declined aid, then those arrangements fell through...perhaps it was too late. By all accounts, the place was filling up like a bath tub
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-13-05 04:57 PM
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11. which is why I said that the facts probably aren't clear
onenote
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nothingshocksmeanymore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-13-05 05:01 PM
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13. Oh I know...it really bothers me that charges appear to be being filed
in a "cover our asses with both hands" manner.
There is no need for the DA to bring charges this soon except for grandstanding.
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Ms. Toad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-13-05 05:20 PM
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17. If this is the nursing home where 30 deaths were previously reported
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-13-05 04:56 PM
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10. I read on DU the other day that when she declined the offer
The storm was a Cat 2. I just don't know.... if she had moved the patients and some died, and the storm stayed a Cat 2, then she would be condemned, too....
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tkmorris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-13-05 05:00 PM
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12. Sets an interesting precedent does it not?
Failing to provide reasonable care to prevent deaths due to the hurricane and subsequent flooding, resulting in death, is an actionable offense. Hmm.

It seems to me an awful lot of people could be charged using the same logic. I won't single anyone out but......... :evilgrin:
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NYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-13-05 05:31 PM
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18. A useful precedent.
Time will tell.
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Whoa_Nelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-13-05 05:07 PM
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14. Heard on one of the MSM channels last night that the owner had a different
Edited on Tue Sep-13-05 05:07 PM by Whoa_Nelly
story about what happened, and was in touch with the DA or AG of LA...don't know more about that...
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-13-05 05:09 PM
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16. The State of LA could have Bush and Brown arrested under the same law
Edited on Tue Sep-13-05 05:17 PM by leveymg
Why not?:eyes:

It's called Negligent Homicide, whether committed by a nobody nursing home operator or the most incompetent President of the United States.

The only different is the number of counts, 34 vs. thousands.

See, U.S. v. Nixon, (1973), a seated President is not above judicial power and may be prosecuted for acts committed while in office.
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Whoa_Nelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-13-05 07:10 PM
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19. Since the nursing home poeple are indicted, then this should also apply to
Edited on Tue Sep-13-05 07:15 PM by Whoa_Nelly
Nagin, for not getting all out of NO, to Blanco, for not getting all the help, to FEMA, for not acting in a timely or efficient manner, to Cheney, for ordering that the pipeline be made operable over the needs of hospitals, to Bush, for staying on vacation and fiddling while Rome burned.
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