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beetbox Donating Member (428 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 07:00 PM
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Black Fury at Bush Over Rescue Delay
Black fury at Bush over rescue delay

Richard Luscombe in Miami
Sunday September 4, 2005
The Observer


Civil rights leaders, church officials and rap stars have united in ferocious criticism of President George Bush's attitude towards the tens of thousands of black people still trying to escape the hell of New Orleans.

An overwhelming majority of the refugees are African-Americans, who make up 67 per cent of the city's half-million population, and some are questioning whether the government's response would have been quicker had the catastrophe struck a white community. The Reverend Calvin Butts, president of New York City's Council of Churches, writes in today's Observer: 'If this hurricane had struck a white middle-class neighbourhood in the north-east or the south-west, his response would have been a lot stronger.'

In an extraordinary outburst during a live television fundraising concert broadcast on America's NBC network, the rapper Kanye West said: 'Bush doesn't care about black people. It's been five days because most of the people are black. America is set up to help the poor, the black people, the less well-off, as slow as possible. We already realised a lot of the people that could help are at war right now.'

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'Today I saw 5,000 African-Americans on Highway 10, desperate, perishing, dehydrating, babies crying - it looked like the hold of a slave ship. It's so ugly and obvious. The issue of race as a factor will not go away.'

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,6903,1562518,00.html
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xultar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 07:01 PM
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1. That is an understatement
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sasquatch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 07:03 PM
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2. Nominated
Everyone else should do the same
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libhill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 07:06 PM
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6. How do you do a nomination?
Guess I should know that, huh -
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IndyOp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 07:21 PM
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10. To nominate click on "Recommend for Greatest" at the
bottoom of the original post --

I did!
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libhill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 07:32 PM
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12. Done, and thank you ---
n/t
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JPZenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 09:54 PM
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68. If You Don't Vote, You Don't Exist
Bush will never care about poor African-Americans unless they show up at the polls in larger numbers. If you don't vote, you are invisible. Politically, you don't exist, and the powerbrokers could care less about you.
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Lindsay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 07:04 PM
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3. Whap! Take that, Bush!
And then take a few more!

As a number of people have said, the Repugs have lost the black vote for the next 100 years.

Assuming, of course, that we'll still be voting and the votes will be counted honestly.
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Cronus Protagonist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 11:36 PM
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69. but but but but he MET with some of the poor downtrodden victims...


http://brainbuttons.com/home.asp?stashid=13
Buttons for brainy people - educate your local freepers today!


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jackster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 07:05 PM
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4. GOTV work must start NOW!
N/T
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Olney Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 07:06 PM
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5. Kicked and nominated.
:kick:
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DELUSIONAL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 07:07 PM
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7. The slave ship analogy went through my mind
When I saw some of the photos of the victims on that overpass. I was thinking that the ancestors of these victims would understand their suffering. It was/is so obvious that bushie doesn't give a damn.


'Today I saw 5,000 African-Americans on Highway 10, desperate, perishing, dehydrating, babies crying - it looked like the hold of a slave ship. It's so ugly and obvious. The issue of race as a factor will not go away.'
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Eloriel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 07:16 PM
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8. NOMINATED n/t
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 07:19 PM
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9. How bout just plain "FURY" ...
There's "white fury" "international fury" and just plain fury at this situation. I don't think the press should take this out of the human context and make it a "black" issue. It's a HUMAN issue.
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Bush_Eats_Beef Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 07:50 PM
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16. It's a human issue AND a race issue.
I'm saying that as a "white guy."

I'm feeling rage right now, like a lot of people.

But I'll tell you one think Katrina did: it bought emotions to a boil that have been on slow simmer for years.

Pick any cliche you want: the straw that broke the camel's back, the single drop of water in the glass that made it spill and overflow...

Here's my point: Bush's handling of this disaster exacerbated problems, resentments, frustrations that were already there. If flood waters ravaged the Hamptons, there's be no debate...only a lot of rich white folks getting rescued.
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 08:37 PM
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18. I agree. I just don't like the press implying that blacks are the only
Edited on Sat Sep-03-05 08:54 PM by mzmolly
ones who are angry. "Black Fury???" NO! "INTERNATIONAL FURY" is more accurate.

Of course IS race one of the reasons there is such fury as the racism/classism is/was apparent in this disaster. But, to insinuate that blacks are the only ones angered is incorrect.

Case in point - even Shepard Smith and Geraldo Rivera were pissed, they of course are not black.
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GoddessOfGuinness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 08:45 PM
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19. Me either.
I'm pissed as hell for everybody who's a victim of this...even the flippin' freepers!
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Zodiak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 10:30 AM
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42. I know
for those RWers who are poor and stuck in Southern Miss....this is their "crying game" moment. There was a sign on rich house in NO that said it all:

"Looters will be shot

Bush sucks

Where's FEMA?"
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Bush_Eats_Beef Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 08:59 PM
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21. I'm Italian, and like jbnow says below...
"I have Italian fury."

Take race OUT of it, you're not telling the whole story.

Make it all about race, and your're not telling the whole story.

It's the story of George W. Bush's failure as President of the United States.

:patriot:
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 09:01 PM
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22. Exactly!
Tell the whole story.

Calling it "Black fury" is racist in and of itself and it lets other racists off the hook.
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antonialee839 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 09:11 PM
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26. Italian and a quarter Irish, now that is some explosive
American fury.
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I7G0D Donating Member (34 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 10:46 PM
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33. I agree
bush has fucked all of this up.
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beetbox Donating Member (428 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 09:30 PM
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28. This is just one story n/t
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 10:13 PM
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30. True, and I'm not criticizing you for posting it.
I just don't care for the spin.
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ninkasi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 03:11 AM
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37. You're right about the fury being international...
I'm white, and have been seething with rage all week. The whole episode is criminal, and Bush should be impeached, brought to trial, and imprisoned. I can understand too, though, that blacks feel not just fury, but betrayal that the government which should be for all of us was not there for them.

I can feel fury for what my fellow human beings suffered, but my fury can not equal the fury of someone watching a beloved elderly relative die, slowly and painfully, from starvation,thirst, and heat. I did not have to suffer the indignity of being herded into the Superdome, with no food or water, and no sanitary facilities.

Imagine the fury of a father, trying to save his family from death, gathering the courage to steal food and formula, being told that anyone caught "looting" will be shot on sight. I know you are furious, too, mzmolly, I think most of us here are. We know, too, that very dangerous times are coming, because there are those who will use the evacuees as an excuse to bitch about the strain on their schools,their state resources, and just about everything else.

Bush and his thugs will try to keep the pot stirred, in order to deflect anger from him to the victims. We have to keep unified, and be able to see through their tricks. America has become a very mean and ugly place under Bush, but I hope that enough good people see him for what he really is, and feel enough shame to stand up and fight him, and his freepers, and prevent them from letting this lead to any more tensions among ourselves.

We can add our fury to that of our black brothers and sisters, and learn from their courage in the face of such misery. One thing I do know...underneath the smirk, Bush hates us all.
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meow2u3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 11:43 PM
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70. It's also a class issue
Edited on Sun Sep-04-05 11:48 PM by StopThePendulum
The fact that most of the stranded were poor because they didn't have the means to evacuate needs to be stressed. I don't give a crap what color they are--they're poor, they should have been the first to get help--not the last! :mad:

This mass manslaughter of the poorest Americans in NOLA could have been prevented had Bush done his job and heeded the warnings of scientists and Democratic senators. He shouldn't have diverted the money needed to upgrade the levees in NOLA to send poor people to death and destruction in Baghdad.
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mallard Donating Member (460 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 11:54 PM
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36. Re: just plain fury...
Edited on Sat Sep-03-05 11:55 PM by mallard
is definitely a key concept here in washing out the ethnic factor, but presents us a huge uphill battle against these neocons with all that practice dividing Sunni from Shi'ite, Palestinian from Jew, now taking a martial law approach to pending relocations.

I imagine blacks around the country really feeling outrage for very good reasons and that their suspicions do naturally tend to perceive white racism. This is not only slightly or temporarily divisive. The division becomes unstoppable.

Such is the result of terror exploited - once again. It's real terror to the victims.

From the article:

"'Today I saw 5,000 African-Americans on Highway 10, desperate, perishing, dehydrating, babies crying - it looked like the hold of a slave ship. It's so ugly and obvious. The issue of race as a factor will not go away.'"


It didn't ever have to get so low in Iraq - house-to-house arrests and trial by torture. This hurricane aftermath never had to go this low either

The trademark neocon-led Homeland Security vision is involved here and apparently they are more than willing to sacrifice goodwill in the balck community at the expense of the life and death desperation of other Black Americans.

We will mostly all pay for it - as usual.
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Mr_Spock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 07:31 PM
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11. I saw the comment on MSNBC (concert) - I was actually taken aback
It's been a long time since I've seen this sort of accusation. After thinking about what I've seen all week, I really can't argue with the man's point - this was blatant racism IMHO - the focus on the crime instead of actually BRINGING law and order cemented if for me - these people are prejudiced against poor black people - plain and simple.
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cpamomfromtexas Donating Member (453 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 02:44 PM
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55. I agree and I used to work for FEMA
I worked for the Inspector General, I wasn't impressed then and I'm not impressed now.

What I do know is we've been paying top dollar to have FEMA ready when needed and WE HAVE A RIGHT AS TAXPAYERS TO COMPETENCE AND EFFICIENCY.

Bush and his cronies want all government for the people to fail so they can privatize and leave us as the United States of Halliburton and still leave us paying the bill!

My heart tells me that as a blond woman with blond children, if it had been me on TV that was in need of help, it would have happened faster. That is unless of course they knew I hate the chimp in chief.

Let's UNITE and take back our country!
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 05:58 PM
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67. Welcome to DU!
When did you work for FEMA?

Was it during this gawd-awful administration?

Glad you're here with us, and I think you're correct about the blond versus black response. Or even white versus black response.

My hatred of this little schmuck knows almost no bounds.

VISUALIZE IMPEACHMENT!!!!!!!!
Then go DO something about it.
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jbnow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 07:40 PM
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13. Then I have Italian Fury at Bush Over Rescue Delay
It should just be human fury and those not furious are less human. That's it. I am seeing humans being made to suffer longer, live in horrible conditions and some die. I am furious because it was unnecessary.

I do think if those were blue eyed babies rescue would have gone much faster...

But the disregard for human life affects all humans. I agree that blacks that were there have more rage then I have the right to, but blacks sitting at their computer or whites sitting at their computer, why would race divide us?

"My people" thing? We are all my people, we are all one human race.

And that is what people who don't feel the fury don't get. We are divided more by who was furious and who could shrug it off then by what color our skin is.
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 11:02 PM
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35. And I have Irish and German fury at bush over rescue delay.
:grr:

STRENGTH, guys. The bad guys are trying to deflect blame to the locals. I'm hearing it all over hate radio. That means it's up to folks like US... spreading the truth, hounding our reps, hounding our media (local, regional, AND network).
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Bush_Eats_Beef Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 07:46 PM
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14. Anyone who's said "race is not an issue here" is KIDDING themselves.
And yeah, I've heard it said...as recently today from some of the callers to Guy James' show. "Oh, it was handled badly, but I don;t think race had anything to do with it." BULLSHIT.

My comment to Guy is that Bush acknowledges two classes of people: the "Pioneers" and the "Rangers." If you give Bush MONEY, I don't CARE what color your skin is...you're IN.

But for the rest of us, I also believe that the people who don't contribute financially to the Boy King are classified / prioritized in a number of ways, and one of them IS race.
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GoddessOfGuinness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 08:47 PM
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20. Race is an issue here, just not the only issue.
Edited on Sat Sep-03-05 08:58 PM by GoddessOfGuinness
And black people aren't the only ones who are angry.
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Bush_Eats_Beef Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 09:02 PM
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23. Absolutely. Agreed.
They're on the receiving end of much of what has happened, and they are being vocal about the way they are being treated, but they are NOT the only ones who are angry.

This could have been a Bay Area / San Francisco earthquake. I COULD HAVE BEEN one of the people with no home, just the clothes on my back, no food, no water.

And when I think of my "president" taking care of me the way he's "taken care" of the people in the South, I get furious.
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Turn CO Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 10:12 AM
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40. It's racist, but also a class issue and an income level issue.

This administration doesn't give a rip for people living at or below the poverty line. They don't focus their "beautiful minds" on the surplus population. After all, whether they are black or white, if they are poor, they aren't likely to be Rangers or Pioneers, ARE they so why help them, again? Let's also not forget that in most of the video I don't get the impression I'm looking at folks who would vote Republican.

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goforit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 07:48 PM
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15. Looks like we just went back to the fifties and sixties w/civil rights.
Wow, all that hard work gone in an instant under Bush.

This is just so very sad!!
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sonicx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 07:52 PM
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17. Too bad it took a hurricane to expose this
Edited on Sat Sep-03-05 07:52 PM by sonicx
of course, that won't stop Bush's gang of thugs to keep propagating to blacks to win votes.
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 09:06 PM
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24. it's not just black folk
I am seething in rage
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belle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 09:14 PM
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27. Well, it exposes both our/their racism and what's at the heart of racism:
It really does affect all of us. Because anyone who's capable of being that viciously heartless about their fellow human beings based on race, or money, or sexuality...is capable of doing it to YOU, too, even if you don't (currently) fit any of the "undesirable" categories.

We're all in this together.
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Blaq Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 10:43 PM
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32. Yes, non-blacks should be deeply concerned
If they treat us like crap, then they'll treat YOU like crap. Once they wipe us out like my American Indian ancestors, you're next. They want us to be racially divided to the point to where they can knock us off one by one and not give a damn.

Just think, 2 continents of Native American are nearly gone. Australian Aboriginees are wiped out. There are no more pure blooded Tasmanians. Africans are dying each day of starvation and diseases. Japanese had been bombed. Children in Afghanistan and Iraq are dying just because some corporate fat cat want the oil underneath their feet. Chinese had enough sense to build the Great Wall of China. Everyone should study the Holocaust on how they did the Jews.

This stuff is real and CAN happen again, "lest we forget."
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 09:09 PM
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25. The blacks got screwed in Florida, they got screw in Cleveland,
and now they're drying in New Orleans. Go figure!
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NJCher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 11:35 AM
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46. hmmmm
The blacks got screwed in Florida, they got screw in Cleveland, and now they're dying in New Orleans.

A way to connect these three concepts in a visual....a TV commercial? Move-on?

Just thinking out loud.




Cher

p.s. upon about one second's reflection, the repukes would howl over this and it would be taken off the air in a heartbeat.

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murielm99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 09:55 PM
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29. If * puts his foot in his mouth the wrong way one more time,
we could see ghettos explode in violence. I am surprised it has not yet happened. But maybe the people know they would be on their own, so they are not rioting.

I would sympathize if they did.
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Blaq Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 10:30 PM
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31. As an African-American, I feel insulted by Bush
Isn't it obvious? He doesn't give a damn about us black folks. We saw this coming long ago in the presidential elections. Bush has an Emotional IQ of ZERO. He's insensitive. This experience is remenience of what my African ancestors went through on slave ships. Reading about it did no justice. Seeing it with my own eyes was appalling. I'm glad the whole entire world got a chance to see this.

I got word SCOTUS justice Reynquist just died. I guess we're supposed to divert the media's attention him now. We'll see.

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Erika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 10:50 PM
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34. All minorities, including women will be ignored
Yes, the world got to see how Bush treats the poor and the needy in NO.
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MadeinOhio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 06:31 AM
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39. Fuck that racist bastard Rhenquist!!!! And all his days he spent here.
I totally understand your plight. Its absolutely inhumane, they need to be locked up. :mad:
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Tomee450 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 03:04 PM
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59. I know exactly how you feel.
Everyone I know agrees with West's statement about Bush not caring about Black people. I am so tired of Bush and others from his administration constantly congratulating each other. For what? Their inaction has resulted in the suffering and death of thousands and they are still patting themselves on the back as if no mistakes have been made. It makes me so angry. And, although gross incompetence has been displayed for all the world to see, I'll be no one from the Bush administration will ever be held accountable and blame will be placed on the black mayor of New Orleans.

The world now sees just how blacks are treated here. A British reporter said around the world people are appalled. One of the most conservative papers in Britain said this episode has shown the dark underbelly of American and mentioned the obvious racism.
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BronxBoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-05-05 05:18 AM
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74. And isn't interesting
how the Black Conservatives are very, very quiet. Not a peep to be heard out of them.
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Tomee450 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-05-05 07:48 AM
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76. Except
for Rice who defends this administration, most of the Black conservatives have been very quiet. I hope they recognize how much they have been used. No black person in his right mind should be a Republican. This episode is something I will never forget.....images of blacks begging for food, wading through toxic water, living in filth, dying. This administration let all of that happen. It is unforgivable.
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Pachamama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 04:26 AM
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38. Well, I've got some White Fury for the Bush Administration too!
I don't think I've ever used as much foul 4 letter words in my life describing how I feel about those Motherfuckers in the White House...

:grr:

Fury....blind rage, sizzling at these racist scum....:grr:
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NorthernSpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 02:04 PM
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53. absolutely!
I'll never forget any of this: the casual devaluation of life relative to property; the indifference (shading to outright hostility) toward the desperate and dying; the fact that some people invented and spread slanderous rumors about the survivors...
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AngryOldDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 10:14 AM
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41. Nagin's comments were right on point as well
1) We invaded Iraq with no problem.

2) We jumped right in and got New York City back on its feet after 9/11 with no problem.

3) Yet, it takes nearly a WEEK before substantial help arrives in a major Southern city where almost half of this country's oil comes in. A WEEK where a city literally descended into hell. SO WHAT'S THE PROBLEM?

It's quite obvious what the problem is, and I for one am damn glad that somebody with some influence finally had the balls to speak up. It had to be said.
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Zodiak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 10:41 AM
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43. Bush and his feeper zombies have lots of reasons to hate NO
They are black

They are poor

They vote Democrat

They have a black mayor

"voodoo" is praticed in NO

They have a French background

Their football team has a flower on the helmet

They are Catholic, and not the Opud Dei types

They don't contribute much to the Republican party

They elected a Dem senator in a close race.


Black is one of these reasons, but not all of the reason for this delayed response. On the left, we should push the poor issue above all. Not because race isn't an element, but it is not nearly a proveable as the "poor" element. I am not speaking from the heart, just from the cynical political side of my mind (the side that wants Bush to go down wihtout a hitch). We all know BushCo are racist bastards from previous evidence, but can we PROVE it?

Maybe we can if put in the context of other things (like, for example, not knowing about the Voting Rights Act or refusing to meet with the NAACP or the Black Congressional Caucus, Bob Jones University...stuff like that).

But we will have to overcome two things: Condi's Uncle Tom attitude and the fact that the mayor of NO is black and wasn't 110% blameless in the preparedness dep't (a lot of "he could have done this, he could have done that" is coming from the right concerning Nagin...if any of it sticks, then the race issue is off the table, politically).
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Joey Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 10:59 AM
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44. How can any peson of color vote republican?
I don't see how any minority in this country could ever vote republican.
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supermodel Donating Member (17 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 11:26 AM
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45. Being Black in America
As a black woman, I feel that some of the comments I have heard are reprehensible (bush wants to get rid of black people) although if we suddenly disappeared off the face of the earth...few of them would weep (just the Democratic party);) But I honestly dont know what was the main factor in those people not getting help? Was it economic or did race play an issue? Was it both?

NO one really knows but no one has an answer for why did it take so long for those people to get help? Since no one has a valid reason...it leads the rest of us to speculate.

The media didn't make it better anyway by showing black families as looting and white families looking for food. I got so tired of CNN and MSNBC showing that same damn tape of blacks looting to the point of where the American people (who usually fall for the media's tricks of propaganda and fear mongering) to start to think like, "Why do I want to help those people? They are breaking the law!" It really didnt matter that these people hadn't eaten in days...hell break into a 7-11 for food and you're going to jail buddy!

I sent emails to CNN and MSNBC to tell them to stop showing that footage of looting. Has anyone noticed that the media has since stopped showing those tapes?
People were upset. I'm sure that when some of those people in NO start to see footage of themselves on TV, they will be downright pissed of the obvious biased coverage!
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Zodiak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 11:52 AM
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48. the coverage of the looting was sickening
Edited on Sun Sep-04-05 11:53 AM by Zodiak Ironfist
and they are still showing it, just not all the time.

I know in my gut that race is an issue here, but I am at a loss to prove it. I am afraid that civil rights legislation has served only to throw a cloth over racism. Now the racists use coded language and are much more surreptitious about their racism. It makes it so much harder to prove when it is deliberately occulted.

We DO need true equality in this country. NO ripped that cover off and showed what scars and open woulnds still remain in this country. It was undeniable.

But poor people......that angle CAN be proven by just about everyting the Republican party has done in the last 25 years. Republicans HATE the poor...there is no doubt about it because the Republicans still feel safe in being obvious about their hatred towards the poor.

Almost to a man, the Republicans will claim to not be racist, all the while failing to acknowledge that their policies are inherently bigoted.
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meow2u3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 11:54 PM
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71. Damn straight
Behavior, legislation, and voting records speak far louder than words, no matter how these Repunks try to gloss it over.

We have to shout it on the rooftops and make it our slogan: Republicans hate the poor!
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beetbox Donating Member (428 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 12:04 PM
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49. Historical Context and Present Day Events
in other parts of the world show without question that race is A if not THE major factor in the whys, wheres and hows of the slow motion and large scale death occuring in New Orleans. This does not simply mean, in the case of New Orleans, the total ignoring of the 'Black Folk' stranded on the overpass. That is the culmination of a constellation of events that are rooted in oppression of the OTHER. Connect the dots from Falluja, The Congo and New Orleans and we see a common theme. Large scale death of brown-skinned people as the privileged people (and undeniably white) remain safe in their gated worlds. It is racism.


'Today I saw 5,000 African-Americans on Highway 10, desperate, perishing, dehydrating, babies crying - it looked like the hold of a slave ship. It's so ugly and obvious. The issue of race as a factor will not go away.'

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,6903,1562518,00.html

They had about a week to shore up the levees, evacuate the poor, and prepare for disaster management. They knew all the details of the full scope of the disaster, and the official warnings were as bleak as any official warnings can be. They didn't try to do anything. Bush golfed and pretended to play guitar. Since the funding, manpower, and equipment that would normally be used for such purposes was in Iraq, trying to do something constructive would only have embarrassed them, so they just relaxed and let it happen. Needless to say, the next step will be the announcement of billions of dollars of reconstruction contracts for Halliburton and Bechtel, thus proving that Bush really does care. Disaster is another opportunity to make money, while trying to stop disaster is just a drain on public finances.

A 70% African-American city where resistance to white supremacy has supported a generous, subversive and unique culture of vivid beauty. From jazz, blues and hiphop, to secondlines, Mardi Gras Indians, Parades, Beads, Jazz Funerals, and red beans and rice on Monday nights, New Orleans is a place of art and music and dance and sexuality and liberation unlike anywhere else in the world.

Welcome to DU.
:hi:



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BronxBoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 12:17 PM
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50. Welcome to DU
What's so reprehensible about saying thqt Bush wants to get rid of Black people?
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Barkley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 02:44 PM
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56. You're right: price gouging won't be portrayed as negatively as looting
Edited on Sun Sep-04-05 02:46 PM by Barkley
Did you notice how quickly laws were made to shoot looters on sight but no immediately and prompt punishments were declared for price gougers?

The items from looted stores may rot, or expire anyways since the city will be evacuated for up to a year and the store owner will mostly file bankruptcy and declare the inventory lost in a disater.

Welcome to the DU

Please stay and write more insightful comments!


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Tomee450 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 03:15 PM
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62. I am absolutely shocked at your response.
If, as you say, you are black, I find it shocking that you cannot understand that this is about race. They did not care because most of the population was black, poor, and voted Democrat. They did not care that blacks suffered and the poor whites among the black were just collateral damage. If you don't know this is about race you are among the very few who don't know. Even European newspapers, and others around the world are recognizing the racial aspect. Why would you not think that Bush doesn't care. Even today he is attempting the pack the courts with judges who are known to be hostile to civil rights. He did not even know there were blacks in Brazil, wouldn't meet with the NAACP and other black leaders, has destroyed the Civil Rights Commission by appointing right wingers. He has even cut back on Section 8 grant and plans massive cuts in Medicaid, something that poor blacks and others must rely on.I just find your response rather shocking coming as you say, from an African American.
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BronxBoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-05-05 05:21 AM
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75. Take it easy
She's a supermodel. They often display a tendency to be disconnected from reality.
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ElectroPrincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 03:09 PM
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60. I can see exactly - look at Condi Rice and Clarance Thomas, etc.
People who are wealthy or in the high tier of upper middle class are all made of one color - GREEN!

Money and Power transcends Race with regard to being disenfranchised.

I discovered racism in the country of Panama based merely on *skin tone* (light skinned Panamanians seemingly held the lion's share of the political power).

No, the first sin these folks had was being born into a POOR family. Secondly, people of color tend to be in that socio-economic status.
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CANDO Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 11:48 AM
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47. "Let's not point fingers of blame" is their talking point
To that I say fuck no, there damn well are people to blame and NOW is the time to be pointing it out! Faux news is leading this effort to quell the onslaught of rage and anger. They trot out this lame talking point because they know they have to stop the bleeding. I've already heard this from my mother in law, who gets her news exclusively from Faux news.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 12:25 PM
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51. Until millions of Americans take to the street
and head to Washington, I will not believe the outrage. I never thought I would see this in my lifetime - not given the resources in the US. Criminal negligence that's what this is.
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Raksha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 01:37 PM
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52. The trifecta: a study in black and blue and poverty.
They are black.
They are poor.
They are DEMOCRATS!
77% of the population of New Orleans voted for John Kerry.

'Nuf said.
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Barkley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 02:28 PM
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54. 10th Anniversary Commemoration of the Million Man March Oct. 15th
Edited on Sun Sep-04-05 02:36 PM by Barkley
The neglect of NO will fuel a large participation.
http://www.millionsmoremovement.com/

This is a wonderful article.

The British papers ususally do a good job of covering
American race issues because they don't anything directly
at stake in printing the ostensible truth.



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Barkley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 02:56 PM
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57. NBC censored Kanye West's comments on its West Coast telecast
We as a nation still have not learned to even talk about race and racism.

The host should have engaged him. Let him express his opinion.

I am impressed by the out pouring of compassion and aid from individual Americans.

But I am appauled at the negligent response of the Feds and Bush.

And this is four years AFTER the 9-11 disaster!?!?!?!


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MellowOne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 02:58 PM
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58. Bush is heartless
He goes to the disaster area and only talks with two black girls who may have been staged. He doesn't go to the people begging for help in NO. He flies over them. He just showed the whole world what a heartless, uncaring, unemotional, piece of unfeeling wall he really is.
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 03:13 PM
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61. This is the horrific extension of the African American vote in Ohio. :(
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chomskysright Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 03:59 PM
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63. There's a hundred-thousand Bush Men in New Orleans.....
uSE THIS HOWEVER YOU LIKE (AND WE HOPE RANDY NEWMAN DOES NOT MIND):

(paraphrased from Randy Newman's song, Kingfish: Good Ole' Boys: 1974)

NEVER FORGET NEW ORLEANS

There's a hundred-thousand BushMen in New Orelans
In New Orleans there are BushMen everywhere
But your house could fall down
Your baby could drown
Wouldn't none of those BushMen care.

Everybody gather round
Loosen up your suspenders
Hunker down on the ground
I'm a cracker
And you are too
But don't I take good care of you

(HERE WE'D NEED TO SUBSTITUE WHAT BLANCO/ MAYOR NOLA, LANDREAU ARE DOING)

Who built the highway to Baton Rouge?
Who put up the hospital and built you schools?
Who looks after shit-kickers like you?
The Kingfish do.

Who gave a party at the Roosevelt Hotel?
And invited the whole north half of the state down there for free.
The people in the city
Had their eyes bugging out
Cause everyone of you
Looked just like me

Kingfish, Kingfish
Everybody sing
Kingfish, Kingfish
EVERY MAN A KING

Who took on the Standard Oil men
And whipped their ass
Just like he promised he'd do?
Ain't no Stnadard Oil men gonna run this state
Gonna be run by little folks like me and you

Kingfish, Kingfish
Friend of the working man
Kingfish, Kingfish
The Kingfish gonna save this land.



(I think you can substitute 'Bush Men' for 'French Men' here; French Men, meant to imply the upper class in LA, is what Newman was alluding two as re: his research; the King Fish, of course, was Governor Huey P. Long who, in 1928, JUST LIKE BLANCO IS DOING, told the Federales to stick in their pipe and smoke it as they were moving way too slow for him and the people. Later labeled as a 'dictator', he was a populist. A crazy dentist assasinated him about 10 years later in the marble halls of the Louisiana State Capitol. Its a great album all the way through, documenting seminal events in the South).

Below also is the link to a site that Gov. Blanco has set up in order to pull in money for the clean-up and restoration, keeping it out of the hands of BushCo. Look down after the lyrics of Newman's song. Pass this around please.

KICK THEIR ASS BLANCO: KEEP THE SPIRIT OF THE KINGFISH WRAPPED TIGHT AROUND YOU



The Louisiana Disaster Recovery Foundation has been established in order to help provide immediate assistance to our citizens in need through a network of Louisiana charities, non-profit and governmental agencies, including clearinghouses like the Louisiana VOAD (Volunteer Organizations Active in Disaster). The Foundation is also designed to support long-term family restoration and recovery by focusing on education, housing, health care, legal assistance and jobs for Louisiana families whose lives have been altered by Hurricane Katrina.

By postal mail, please make donations payable to Louisiana Disaster Recovery Foundation, Inc. and mail to:

Louisiana Disaster Recovery Foundation, Inc.
Fed. Tax ID No. 20-3399944
c/o Division of Administration
1201 North Third Street, Suite 7-240
P.O. Box 94095
Baton Rouge, LA 70804-9095
Inquiries may be directed to: [email protected]

http://www.katrina.louisiana.gov/donate.htm


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deadparrot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 05:22 PM
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64. Look for Bush to nominate some African-American kook to the
SCOTUS, to try and placate...
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Scout1071 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 05:48 PM
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65. Not just black fury. We The People have American Fury.
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alarcojon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 05:54 PM
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66. Well, stick this brown fury in there
and yes, we're all furious. This really shows what happens when the chips are down.
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Erika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-05-05 12:17 AM
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72. Nominated
W closed his eyes to what could happen in New Orleans. NO voted 77% for Kerry.
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Az_lefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-05-05 04:14 AM
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73. take race out of it man...
I'm just pissed! This is a total fucking outrage and I will not let this go.
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