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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-05 12:17 AM
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Mother calls protest disgrace

http://www.timesrecordnews.com/trn/local_news/article/0...

Mother calls protest disgrace
Local parent says California woman dishonors son's memory

The near loss of her son in Iraq hasn't swayed Leisa Fudge's support of the war there.

Her sympathy for a woman whose son died in battle doesn't change her disgust over war protests near President Bush's Texas ranch.

....

The protest shows a lack of respect, Fudge said.
"I think she's doing such a disgrace to her son's memory," Fudge said.

....

Bublis, a 24-year-old Archer City High School graduate, graduated from West Point in 2003. He entered the Army and was assigned to Iraq with the 25th Infantry Division Stryker Brigade.Bublis was serving in Mosul, Iraq, when an explosive hit the Stryker military vehicle he was in April 23. Bublis' injuries included two skull fractures - at one point requiring that doctors cut into his skull to relieve pressure - and third-degree burns to 26 percent of his body. That included burns to his nose, back, arms, legs and lungs.


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Vektor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-05 12:21 AM
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1. Some people never learn...
This woman is clearly a clueless bot. She is the one dishonoring her own son - for continuing to support a war that disfigured and nearly killed him.
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girl gone mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-05 12:26 AM
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5. She's in denial.
A lot of these people just have too much invested in the myth and mythos surrounding BUsh and his war.

I fear the reactions from the right are going to get much worse as time goes by. They will struggle harder and harder against the truth up until the bitter end.
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Vektor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-05 12:33 AM
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11. Then they'll likely implode.
I guess it's hard to stomach the fact that our men and women are dying because of Bush's lies - dying in vain. To accept that is just too much to bear for many.
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pokercat999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-05 06:28 AM
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38. And my hope is when that end comes
it will bury the Neo-cons and the repugs for the next 50 years. The problem is like the cornered rats they are they will most likely try to bring the house down with them. If anything leads to the destruction of the US it could very well be the republician party and the neo-con/christian right that has taken over.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-05 04:26 PM
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77. Like Nixon's "silent majority" only these assholes will not shut up!!
There came a day when Tricky Dick lost the Nebraska farmer with his crewcut, the farmer's wife in her bun and apron, the rural folk who flew a flag outside their house, properly lighted in accordance with Flag Etiquette; when he lost the well-heeled businessman and sprayhaired woman who lunches ... and no one thought it could happen...until it DID. It sure took awhile, though, but when it finally tipped, it tipped over like a fat drunk passing out on a very high barstool.

I think it will take time, but I think the worm is turning. I would love to see more Gold Star Mothers front and center...we know Lila, we know Cindy--we need to know more of them, and hear from them. We need to put persistent faces to this anguish, that people cannot turn away from.
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StrafingMoose Donating Member (742 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-05 04:37 PM
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79. At least with Nixon..

you didn't need to deal with fake terror alert to prop up the support... :P

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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-05 04:45 PM
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81. No, they just "stonewalled"
...and they focused, incessantly, on <<<LAW AND ORDER>>> (code for: round up those Negroes!!!). They constantly complained that the sky was falling, and it was all about CRIME on the domestic front.

Everyone was mean and surly back then, all the days were gray or putrid...kinda like nowadays, come to think about it.

The only terra we saw was 'over there'--the 72 Olympics comes to mind. And London was getting it from the IRA as well, and there were kidnappings in Europe, and one had to be careful when travelling abroad.

We patted ourselves on the back and said, well, we may be getting our houses burgled and cars stolen, unemployment may be through the roof, inflation may be getting worse by the day, but hey, NO TERRA!!! That's for THOSE guys, not us!!!

Funny, back then we had a functioning press...at least you could turn on the TV and see them TRYING. I think at long last some of the press toadies are waking up, but they sure are coming out of dreamland a little too slow for my liking....

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bribri16 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-05 06:43 AM
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43. I would want my mom to feel about me the way Cindy feels about Casey
and not the way the RW, pro-war fanatical mom feel about their children. I don't want my own children feeling that they are merely cannon fodder for the wealthy.
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Carolab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-05 12:21 AM
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2. What's the matter with Kansas?
Pretty clear to me they aren't getting the real news from the old Times Record News.
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MODemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-05 11:15 AM
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63. What's wrong with Kansas?
If I could use that kind of language on this forum, maybe I could tell you. Oh they get the news, but they keep their heads where it's very dark. Some of my Kansas relatives still swear that Saddam was the one responsible for 9-11.
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WannaJumpMyScooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-05 11:29 PM
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85. Ummm, that's from Texas... Wichita Falls.... not KANSAS
for once.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-05 12:24 AM
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3. "near loss of her son " says volumes..
Edited on Sun Aug-14-05 12:28 AM by SoCalDem
She astill has her son..she can afford the luxury of criticism.
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Gemini Cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-05 12:28 AM
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7. Exactly!
She still has her son. Cindy isn't so lucky.
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RoyGBiv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-05 12:36 AM
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15. Precisely ...

My daughter "nearly" died once. It was a horrible few days, not a horrible rest of my natural life.

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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-05 12:24 AM
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4. THPHHHFFFTTTTT!
If she has no soul, that's her problem.
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benburch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-05 12:28 AM
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6. I am glad she still has her son.
But until she has actually lost her son for a lie, and then realized that it IS a lie, she really has no standing here to criticize Cindy Sheehan.

Right now all she has is an opinion. And you know what an opinion is like...`
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WannaJumpMyScooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-05 11:35 PM
Response to Reply #6
86. Hey... watch it... read your post carefully...
you just compared Andy to an asshole!
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-05 12:30 AM
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8. Some people have to believe that there must be a good reason
for such a bad thing to have happened. It is just too painful for some people to say "yes, he was murdered" and they must say "he died for a noble cause" instead.I am sorry for this boy, his family and his friends to have to go through this.
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NEOBuckeye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-05 12:31 AM
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9. The real disgrace is that people can't admit being deceived by Bush
Cindy Sheehan mustered the courage to face the truth, that her son died for Cheney's greed and Bush's stupidity.

That must be a bitter pill for any parent to swallow.
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nolabels Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-05 12:42 AM
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19. "people can't admit being deceived by Bush"
and at the rate of being hysterical, keep on repeating "people can't admit being deceived by Bush".

Make it more and more okay for others to come to that realization and things can only get better
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hollowdweller Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-05 09:37 AM
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48. They also can't seem to have a difft. opinion w/o personal attacks

on those who don't share it. I can fully understand how somebody could have a kid hurt in a war and still support it. What I think is wrong is when that person attacks somebody who has the same experience but the opposite opinion.

Like the counter protesters in TX. Why did they feel they needed to shout at th anti war protestors. Was being for the war not enough? That they had to try to attack the opposition??
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devinsgram Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-05 09:44 AM
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52. Your right on nolabels,
there are plenty of people out there who do not want to admit they were so naive to believe him. Most of them think they are smart and too well educated to be taken in. It's like trying to argue with someone and you have the facts and can prove what you're saying, yet the other person will keep arguing, knowing full well they are wrong. Till they admit they were wrong, you can argue till the cows come home and it won't do any good. It is going to have to hit them smack in face before they will admit it.

The problem is with * pushing for Iran, that may be sooner than later. The point is when you are beginning to dig a hole, stop digging.
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nolabels Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-05 11:51 AM
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67. Iran will never happen
No one will go along including the military. If you think they dragged their heels getting into Iraq. Iran would be an even stupider move than Hitler moving on Russia. Then or course lets think how stupid they have already been

Pakistan is tenuous, Uzbekistan? Afghanistan next door, Iraq already out of control, Syria and all the others with populations not liking the western culture or economics shoved down their throats would make hell of coalition wanting to put Uncle Sam back on his own shores. Yea like what is a foolish bushwhack going to do nuke em all. It will never happen, they cant even cut the mustard with Iraq.

I like to remember this whole charade is just one charade on top of another charade. 9/11 was the beginning of the end for all of them.

Some of us might of been questioning long before 9/11 but since then our numbers have been growing not shrinking. They have not been able to stem the tide and it wont be long before our majority will be an uncontrollable majority that demands answers.

We the people will be


Bush slaps down top general after he calls for troops to be pulled out of Iraq
By Philip Sherwell in Washington
(Filed: 14/08/2005)

The top American commander in Iraq has been privately rebuked by the Bush administration for openly discussing plans to reduce troop levels there next year, The Sunday Telegraph has learned.

President George W Bush personally intervened last week to play down as "speculation" all talk of troop pull-outs because he fears that even discussing options for an "exit strategy" implies weakening resolve.


General George Casey

Gen George Casey, the US ground commander in Iraq, was given his dressing-down after he briefed that troop levels - now 138,000 - could be reduced by 30,000 in the early months of next year as Iraqi security forces take on a greater role.

The unusual sign of US discord came as Iraqi politicians and clerics drafting a new constitution continued their own wrangling over autonomy demands by various factions
(snip)
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/20...
http://www.antiwar.com/
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speedoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-05 12:02 PM
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70. Betcha the Crawford Coward didn't personally do the "bebuking."
Fucking coward has no balls. Would not even attempt to speak to a real soldier. After all, he has to keep his life "balanced."
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nolabels Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-05 10:50 PM
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82. Probably a conference call without a monitor screen
That's why when ever possible I like to meet with people face to face whenever I have issues with things. Mostly salesmen and service oriented businesses or agencies will give you a lot less gruff in person.

But then again the salesmen who want be slick will come meet you at your place (similar to snakes)

Wounded Soldier Refuses to Meet Bush
by RandyMI
Wed Aug 10th, 2005 at 10:49:02 PDT

But, unlike a lot of people, period, he said no to meeting anyone in the Bush Administration.

"He got visits from celebrities, too. Generals came by to shake his hand and ask how he was doing. The Dave Matthews Band visited, as did players from the Washington Nationals and Colorado Rockies.

"I didn't catch their names," he says. "I was kind of high on morphine at the time. And you can't read their autographs."

One day a nurse came in to ask Rodgers if he wanted to meet President Bush, who was visiting the hospital. Rodgers declined.

I don't want anything to do with him," he explains. "My belief is that his ego is getting people killed and mutilated for no reason -- just his ego and his reputation. If we really wanted to, we could pull out of Iraq. Maybe not completely but enough that we wouldn't be losing people -- at least not at this rate. So I think he himself is responsible for quite a few American deaths."
(snip)
http://teedz.dailykos.com/story/2005/8/10/13492/4638



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MODemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-05 11:21 AM
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64. Bush is their Great Wizard of Oz
They have to believe they're right about him; after all, he's a figment of their imagination. I believe he's fanning the dry ice behind the curtain right now.
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LibDemAlways Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-05 12:31 AM
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10. Two skull fracures, multiple burns
requiring skin grafts, a long convalescence ahead -- all sustained in an unnecessary war based on lies -- and this poor soldier's kool-aid drinking mother is disgusted by Mrs. Sheehan's protest? How's that for irony?
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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-05 12:34 AM
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12. As her son's situation sinks in (for him and her)
She will change her mind. Sometimes it takes time for a bitter truth to take hold.
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ngGale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-05 02:11 AM
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32. Yes, watching her son try and heal, along with the lack ..
of VA benefit's for the PTSD he is sure to have. The constant struggle for both of them may take longer, but end up hurting for a lifetime. <Reality Check> will set in...
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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-05 12:34 AM
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13. Lying, manipulating and scaring this country into a war is a disgrace.
Edited on Sun Aug-14-05 12:35 AM by Hissyspit
Sorry about your son, lady, but you just don't get it.

A boneheaded, illegal, immoral, unwise war based on misinformation, disinformation, demonization, manipulation.

My mother used to get upset back in the mid- to late 60s at protestors on the news while my father was in Vietnam. Now she hates Bush and hates to see the whole disgusting waste of life over the manipulations of war profiteers. She figured it out. Maybe someday you will, too.
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Bozita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-05 12:36 AM
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14. She's so damned certain that she's willing to send your son ...
... to "protect" her ignorant ass.

Shame!
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Bumblebee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-05 12:36 AM
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16. How dares she judge what's good for another mother's son's memory?!
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Erika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-05 12:40 AM
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17. She wants to believe there was a just cause
There wasn't.
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complain jane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-05 12:47 AM
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23. I agree with you.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-05 06:19 AM
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35. I think there is a deep psycological need for families to believe this.
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phylny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-05 06:59 AM
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45. I agree.
I remember reading a message board at one point, and the basic thrust of the messages from some of the military families was, "We need to continue in Iraq so my husband/wife/son/daughter/father/mother didn't die in vain."

My thought at the time (and now): I'm sorry for your loss, but he/she sure DID die in vain, no matter what happens in Iraq in the future.

What saddens me is that people think it's okay for others to die for no good reason.
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Olney Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-05 09:52 AM
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54. Yes, you are right.
My sister's son is being deployed to Iraq next month, and she is emailing to our family weblinks to "happy" Iraq pictures of troops- saying that it's not as bad as the MSM is reporting.

My choice is to collude in her denial and support her (and hope that she will ultimately find the truth on her own), or try to blast through her denial and fight her. With the second option, I know I will lose our relationship. Compassion seems the best choice in this case, and I will be there for my sister if something happens to her son.
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-05 12:41 AM
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18. ms. fudge the people who put your son in iraq could care less for him
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AlwaysQuestion Donating Member (412 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-05 01:44 AM
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28. How right you are............
and that's what's so hysterically funny--but, alas, so very, very sad at the same time. The irony is just too much.
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DrZeeLit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-05 02:16 PM
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73. Oh, but they will find a way to exploit her and her son. Just watch.
They will be on the news soon, with their 15 minutes of fame.
Maybe even a photo op for *.

We could start a pool as to how long before Karen Hughes gloms onto this story.

I'm certain.
So sad. So very sad and tragic.

Hopefully other mothers of injured soldiers will step forward to support Cindy.
Really, I do hope so. I know they are out there, holding their sons and daughters.

I wish I could comfort this woman.
Can she answer this question: just what "vain" did her son almost die for?
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-05 12:43 AM
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20. hey lady, any idea how many iraqii civillians have been killed in
in your name?

and if you still support this shit, then you are as guilty as the administration who created it

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CatWoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-05 12:44 AM
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21. This was expected
be prepared for a whole slew of these "counter" stories.

Bastards.
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DBoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-05 12:45 AM
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22. This is the rationalization of someone in an abusive relationship
nt
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ribrepin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-05 02:01 AM
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31. Great drawing
I found it very amusing!
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sakabatou Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-05 12:48 AM
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24. "I think she's doing such a disgrace to her son's memory"
And I think your a disgrace to this country... Freeptard.
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flaminbats Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-05 12:58 AM
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26. support our troops, send more to die in Iraq..
We'll force democracy on them..whether they want it or not!! :sarcasm:
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kodi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-05 12:55 AM
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25. that woman is just like John Brown's mamma.
John Brown went off to war to fight on a foreign shore.
His mama sure was proud of him!
He stood straight and tall in his uniform and all.
His mama's face broke out all in a grin.

"Oh son, you look so fine, I'm glad you're a son of mine,
You make me proud to know you hold a gun.
Do what the captain says, lots of medals you will get,
And we'll put them on the wall when you come home."

As that old train pulled out, John's ma began to shout,
Tellin' ev'ryone in the neighborhood:
"That's my son that's about to go, he's a soldier now, you know."
She made well sure her neighbors understood.

She got a letter once in a while and her face broke into a smile
As she showed them to the people from next door.
And she bragged about her son with his uniform and gun,
And these things you called a good old-fashioned war.

Oh! Good old-fashioned war!

Then the letters ceased to come, for a long time they did not come.
They ceased to come for about ten months or more.
Then a letter finally came saying, "Go down and meet the train.
Your son's a-coming home from the war."

She smiled and went right down, she looked everywhere around
But she could not see her soldier son in sight.
But as all the people passed, she saw her son at last,
When she did she could hardly believe her eyes.

Oh his face was all shot up and his hand was all blown off
And he wore a metal brace around his waist.
He whispered kind of slow, in a voice she did not know,
While she couldn't even recognize his face!

Oh! Lord! Not even recognize his face.

"Oh tell me, my darling son, pray tell me what they done.
How is it you come to be this way?"
He tried his best to talk but his mouth could hardly move
And the mother had to turn her face away.

"Don't you remember, Ma, when I went off to war
You thought it was the best thing I could do?
I was on the battleground, you were home . . . acting proud.
You wasn't there standing in my shoes."

"Oh, and I thought when I was there, God, what am I doing here?
I'm a-tryin' to kill somebody or die tryin'.
But the thing that scared me most was when my enemy came close
And I saw that his face looked just like mine."

Oh! Lord! Just like mine!

"And I couldn't help but think, through the thunder rolling and stink,
That I was just a puppet in a play.
And through the roar and smoke, this string is finally broke,
And a cannon ball blew my eyes away."

As he turned away to walk, his Ma was still in shock
At seein' the metal brace that helped him stand.
But as he turned to go, he called his mother close
And he dropped his medals down into her hand.

Bob Dylan
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RussBLib Donating Member (292 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-05 01:33 AM
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27. How is what Cindy is doing a "disgrace" to her son?
This has become the right's talking point lately: she "dishonors" her son; what she's doing is a "disgrace" to her son.

How, exactly? More people than ever before are aware of her son's death. Is that dishonoring him?

Cindy wants the troops pulled out now. It that "disgracing" the memory of her son?

She opposes Bush. That's the "dishonor" and "disgrace" to these pathetic sycophantic robots.
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phylny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-05 07:03 AM
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46. You're right. Since, according to *, her son died for our freedoms
then the logical progression is that she's honoring her son, using those same "freedoms" to express her opinion.

No disgrace there.
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orleans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-05 01:47 AM
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29. how hard it must be for some of these people
who are so married to their president, so married to their party, that their lives would be so completely shattered--that their sense of duty to country would be so utterly destroyed if they just faced the facts that 1. we were lied to and 2. this didn't have to happen.

if they--for a moment--faced the fact that none of this had to happen, that their husbands/wives, sons/daughters, mothers/fathers did not have to get maimed, burned, killed it might destroy them; they can't cope with it.

the reality is too dark--they mentally can't go there.

i believe some of these people are in denial as a coping mechanism; they comfort themselves by believing there is a justification for what has happened.

some people have to believe the concept of "there's a reason for everything" or "everything happens for a reason" or "things happen for the best" (as if there is some higher power rational to it--it's magical thinking).

i used to believe crap like that until my best friend was murdered. granted, it would have been more comforting to think that there was a "reason" or "purpose" for her death but instead i took the less comforting route.

after she was killed i just believed that sometimes really horrible things happen for no fucking reason--and sometimes there is no justification for bad things happening.

these other people who have not lost someone they love, have not had someone suffer at the hands of this gop are simply ignorant as hell when they go and make a spectacle of themselves in order to protest against someone like cindy sheehan.

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fortyfeetunder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-05 01:59 PM
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72. One possible explanation...
:sarcasm: it's all about intelligent design....
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orleans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-05 03:13 PM
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74. (smile)
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kurtyboy Donating Member (968 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-05 02:01 AM
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30. This is the best the Karl Rove can muster???
The outrage of a woman who "nearly lost" her son?

Please.....

And organizing a bunch of dumbasses to echo the ACTUAL feelings of an administration without compassion?

"We don't care, we don't care, we don't care..."

Word to Karl and gang--we KNOW you don't care. Deal with our outrage over that fact, you fricking losers.

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progressivebydesign Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-05 02:17 AM
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33. How many of these are they going to trot out to smear Cindy?
I mean.. everyone is entitled to their opinion. I'm sorry that this woman's son was injured. I'm also sorry that she's completely unable to discern what the protest is about... perhaps the quality of education where she grew up wasn't up to snuff. It's blatantly obvious why Cindy and others are in Crawford. This woman can say all she wants about her own son, but she is treading sacred ground by presenting herself as a moral authority over Casey Sheehan's memory. She is a stranger to that family and knows NOTHING about what is meaningful to them. Shame on her. She needs to tend to her own family.
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-05 06:02 AM
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34. Eh, whatever
She's entitled to her opinion, and she's certainly paying the consequences for it too.

Bublis, a 24-year-old Archer City High School graduate, graduated from West Point in 2003. He entered the Army and was assigned to Iraq with the 25th Infantry Division Stryker Brigade.Bublis was serving in Mosul, Iraq, when an explosive hit the Stryker military vehicle he was in April 23. Bublis' injuries included two skull fractures - at one point requiring that doctors cut into his skull to relieve pressure - and third-degree burns to 26 percent of his body. That included burns to his nose, back, arms, legs and lungs.

I could use this post to say "I told you so", but I won't do that.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-05 06:21 AM
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36. This mothers son is a hero to her and to many in the country. For her
it is difficult to imagine otherwise.

.....Bublis, a 24-year-old Archer City High School graduate, graduated from West Point in 2003. He entered the Army and was assigned to Iraq with the 25th Infantry Division Stryker Brigade.Bublis was serving in Mosul, Iraq, when an explosive hit the Stryker military vehicle he was in April 23. Bublis' injuries included two skull fractures - at one point requiring that doctors cut into his skull to relieve pressure - and third-degree burns to 26 percent of his body. That included burns to his nose, back, arms, legs and lungs.
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BooScout Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-05 06:23 AM
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37. The truth sometimes hurts like hell....
.......and sometimes to recognize the truth you have to accept your own guilt in the complicity of it. If she hadn't supported the war like such a damned dumb blind fool her son may of never been injured.

Each and everyone that ever supported this stupid war in their ignorance bears responsibility for it. They will have to live with it for the rest of their lives.
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nookiemonster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-05 06:30 AM
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39. Fudge. Sometimes, it's the little things.
fudge Pronunciation (fj)
n.
1. A soft rich candy made of sugar, milk, butter, and flavoring.
2. Nonsense; humbug.
v. fudged, fudging, fudges
v.tr.
1. To fake or falsify: fudge casualty figures.
2. To evade (an issue, for example); dodge.
v.intr.
1. To act in an indecisive manner: always fudged on the important questions.
2.
a. To go beyond the proper limits of something: fudged on the building code requirements.
b. To act dishonestly; cheat.


:silly:
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MadisonProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-05 10:01 AM
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57. Good post - you forgot to BOLD this one:
2. Nonsense; humbug.
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Qanisqineq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-05 06:37 AM
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40. fuck you bitch, you still have your kid
sorry, I am just sick of these right wing military families thinking that Bush is the second son of god and killing "brown skinned" people is honorable. And those of us that do not agree do not support our soldier/marine and are unpatriotic and a disgrace.
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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-05 06:39 AM
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41. "Who Cares What You Think?"
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TexasLady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-05 06:41 AM
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42. But Cindy would never talk about this woman's position
in this way. Too much class. Only that the lady is entitled to feel this way. Oh well, maybe her example will shine through the BS.
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Rose Siding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-05 09:32 AM
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47. This was my first thought- Cindy would never say that about her
Knowing that is inspiring me to try to examine and adjust my own reaction to the woman.
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confludemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-05 06:46 AM
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44. Who's really a disgrace and showing a lack of respect here?
No question here, a dumbass whose son is lucky to be alive, giving her the luxury to pass judgement in her ignorant shallow manner aided and abetted by the reporter.
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stepnw1f Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-05 09:38 AM
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49. So, Dying for a Lie is Honorable?
If I lie to thier kids and get them killed, will the parents consider their death honorable? Are we now lowering the bar for honor too in this country... imagine that. What a bunch of political zombies.
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brentspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-05 09:40 AM
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50. The crucial question of WHY this woman supports the Iraq War
is not mentioned in this article. I really want to know why Ms.Fudge feels this war is necessary, why she backs it "100 percent".

Also, her son, being a West Pointer, is in quite a different position than was PFC Casey Sheehan; parents of the military academy elite I expect would be less likely to have their starry-eyed view of the President and this particular military effort dimmed than would the parents of less-celebrated, ordinary grunts.
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jamesinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-05 10:11 AM
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59. I think Mrs. Fudge is pro war not pro troop
There is a big difference. Mrs. Sheehan is pro troop, she is supporting them, trying to get something done for them back home. Mrs. Fudge is pro war and does not care about the troops. She apparently only wants death and destruction. I wonder if Mrs. Fudge realizes she is pro war and not pro troop.
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Gregorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-05 09:43 AM
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51. She supports murdering little Iraqi kids. I'm so proud of her. NOT.
Edited on Sun Aug-14-05 10:15 AM by Gregorian
I forgot- she can't bother her "beautiful mind" with images of the truth. Can't think about the results of what her son and the other troops are doing, due to the administrations lies and filthy ambition.

I should post a stream of pictures of homeless, parentless, Iraqi children who are severely injured. But I can't even look, it's so sad for me.

You see, the problem with republicans is they can't be responsible for anything. The drive without a rear view mirror. They live without empathy. Their brains can't wrap around hypothetical thoughts. They just do what they want. And they can't be arsed to look any further, to find the truth.

edit- I'm guilty. I just assume she's a repub. But it's a very good assumption.
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-05 09:50 AM
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53. And what is she to Cindy Sheehan? Nothing, absolutely nothing.
Edited on Sun Aug-14-05 09:51 AM by Solly Mack
I can't imagine how that woman's opinion matters in the least.

And the ONLY people insulting the memory of Casey Sheehan are those who presume to know him in death. Who think they know what would have bothered him, insulted him...you don't know Casey Sheehan...just because he was a soldier doesn't mean you know him. Just because he was one of "the troops" doesn't mean you know him. Stop fucking pretending you do.

Cindy Sheehan carries the memory of her son within her...and no one else gets to have a say in that memory.... NO ONE.


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tsuki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-05 09:55 AM
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55. Free speech and dissent is not disgraceful. Trying to limit them is. n/t
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NCPatriot Donating Member (52 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-05 09:58 AM
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56. Interesting statement by her (Fudge) in April
A quick Google of her full name brings up an old (No longer avail via website) cached version of some past news...

http://64.233.179.104/search?q=cache:xr8rsM8r7PwJ:www.n...

About one-third of the way down the page (Control-F, search for fudge) will yield an article about her and her son. Halfway through her statement:

When he was growing up, Bublis wanted to design airplanes. When he was looking for colleges, his
stepdad hoped to convince the University of Texas-enthusiast to attend his alma mater at Texas A&M
University. But one day, Bublis came up with an entirely different option. He said 'I want to go to West Point,'Fudge said.

I was going to be supportive no matter what.


I wonder what that means?
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Coventina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-05 10:04 AM
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58. Coventina calls mother disgrace
You still have your son to hug, so have a big cup of shut the fuck up!
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Maggie_May Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-05 10:52 AM
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60. I wonder
if she feels the same way after reading this article.
U.S lowers expectations. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8942482 /
I guess they are starting to admit their mistakes. But are they really?
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knitter4democracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-05 10:52 AM
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61. She may never see the truth.
It's almost always easier to sleep if you think your kids are safer, the future's going to be better somehow, and that your son was wounded for a good reason.

She has every right to believe what she wants. I just hope that she would think first before attacking a Gold Star Mom next time. She's a Silver Star Mom, and that's more than enough of a sacrifice, but she should be respectful of Cindy's grief and loss. How would she like to be attacked for her opinion?
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MODemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-05 11:09 AM
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62. She is showing disrespect for her son by supporting Bush's lies
If anyone caused one of my children to go through all the pain and
suffering this young man has, there's no way I could support him or anything else he has done. When something is borne out of lies as this bloody damned war was, people need to wake up and quit praising the actions of a power hungry maniac. He's nothing great, so why should he be shown any respect. He certainly isn't showing any respect to the troops or anyone who happens to cross him.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-05 04:33 PM
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78. Eh, I think she is showing her profound IGNORANCE and intolerance
The fool does not understand that she was lied to, she will not believe it. The huge irony will come when her kid tells her he thinks it was all bullshit, and he is angry that he is screwed up for a lie. Maybe then she'll rent some of those good ole Viet Nam movies like COMING HOME and watch them with her kid, and realize that history is repeating itself.

But hey, her name is FUDGE, so we need to cut her some slack. She probably lives in a hollow tree with a bunch of Keebler elves, and doesn't watch tv or get a paper regularly.
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UrbScotty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-05 11:26 AM
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65. Guess what? It's her right to protest. If you don't like it, GET OVER IT!
Yeah. GET OVER IT!
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-05 11:45 AM
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66. Hey Ms. Fudge. Why doesn't your hero Bush send his own kids to Iraq?
His twins are about the same age as your son. Its because he is too smart. Thats why. Get a grip ma'am.

Don
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antonialee839 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-05 11:52 AM
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68. They really have to search hard to unearth these
few and far between mothers, don't they?
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wanpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-05 11:55 AM
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69. plain and simple. Cindy Sheehan has the RIGHT to protest and honor
her son's memory in the way she sees fit. She was his mother and that is her GOD given right. How dare anyone claim that she is dishonoring him. I think she knows how best to honor her own son. These people are really unbelievable.
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-05 12:04 PM
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71. Whew! So they FINALLY found one!
:rofl:
rocknation
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Roy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-05 04:14 PM
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76. But not one whoose situation parallels Ms Sheehan's.....
But, don't worry they are still looking for one, and if they don't find one, they will buy one!
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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-05 03:15 PM
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75. No, Fudge. The war is a disgrace. nt
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-05 04:38 PM
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80. She's totally delusional. Glad she still HAS a son.
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enki23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-05 11:17 PM
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83. so what the fuck is up with the idea that we need to hear from every damn
person on the fucking planet who doesn't agree with cindy sheehan? why the fuck must we bend over backward to state the fucking obvious a million times a fucking week to placate the fucking whiny right?
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-05 11:26 PM
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84. Fuck you Fudge, you are part of the problem, not the solution.
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genieroze Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 12:40 AM
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87. The words near loss speak volumes.
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