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patrioticliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 11:52 AM
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CINDY SHEEHAN TO BE ARRESTED THURSDAY
Cindy Sheehan to Be Arrested Thursday
by David Swanson
Mon Aug 8th, 2005 at 09:49:41 PDT
Cindy Sheehan phoned me from Texas a few minutes ago to say that she's been informed that beginning Thursday, she and her companions will be considered a threat to national security and will be arrested. Coincidentally, Thursday is the day that Rice and Rumsfeld visit the ranch, and Friday is a fundraiser event for the haves and the have mores. Cindy said that she and others plan to be arrested.
http://www.meetwithcindy.org

http://dailykos.com/story/2005/8/8/124941/6758
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jean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 11:54 AM
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1. bushco is so damn dumb - they must want to spotlight Cindy and Camp Casey
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OKthatsIT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 12:07 PM
Response to Reply #1
24. maybe its time to send a few thousand down there?
Edited on Mon Aug-08-05 12:07 PM by OKthatsIT
How about all the parents, siblings, grand parents who have lost a child, for starters?
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dmr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 04:41 PM
Response to Reply #24
191. Was just thinking the same thing
if it were possible for me to get there, I'd join her.

Threatening national security is bullshit.

Damn these assholes!

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oneold1-4u Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-09-05 10:57 AM
Response to Reply #24
273. Texas could get "very hot"
Never forget what the US Military got away with at Waco.
Texans just don't give a damn about other people. If you go there and don't sound Texan you are a stupid foreigner! If you don't speak stupid bushisms in every sentence, they presume you went to the wrong school! Make sure, if you do go, that you say nice things about a goat and golf! You might even take a lesson or two in Texan as a language before you go or if you speak Spanish, ask everything in that language like: "where is the big hacienda"!
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ChickMagic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 09:20 AM
Response to Reply #273
328. My family has lived in Texas
for 9 generations. I think I can speak Texican. :P
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ClintonTyree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 02:34 PM
Response to Reply #1
144. All the chimp would have to do........
is go out there and talk with her for 15 minutes. Instead, he's going to show everyone what an insensitive shit-head he is and "steadfastly" refuse to talk to a grieving Mother. What a Dick, I am SO fucking ashamed that this arrested development, adolescent represents our country on the world stage.
He's not only an embarrassment to the United States, he's an embarrassment to the Human Race.
Fuck you bush!

To Cindy and her supporters; hang in there. By Thursday there will be thousands of people there with you and they'll have to arrest them all. You won't even have a chance to sit in your cell before you're bailed out and represented by the best Lawyers money can buy. You're right, george bush is dead wrong. Hang in there babe, we're all behind you.
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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-09-05 09:12 PM
Response to Reply #144
295. dipshit can't win either way really
cause if he does go talk to her he would end up putting his foot in his mouth

That must be what the threat to national security is about.
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 03:01 PM
Response to Reply #1
157. That is exactly what happened during the civil right movement
it drew attention to what was happening
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ooglymoogly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-09-05 10:34 AM
Response to Reply #157
272. but that is exactly what the patriot act is designed for
Edited on Tue Aug-09-05 10:34 AM by ooglymoogly
to control a slowly waking angry populace.
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nigelthebrit Donating Member (18 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 04:39 PM
Response to Reply #1
190. "bushco is so damn dumb - they must want to spotlight Cindy and Camp Casey
In 1932 - the tatterdemalion Bonus Army.

In 2005 - an army of women led by a veritable Boadicea - Cindy Sheehan.
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jean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 06:21 PM
Response to Reply #190
211. Very interesting, Nigel - Thank you and Welcome to DU!
Could you comment further on both? I did a cursory Wikipedia search and found both topics very interesting and timely.

You point to the Bonus Army of 1932 which was a massive protest over veteran's benefits and led, years later, to the GI Bill of Rights, and to the legend of Boadicea (Boudicca), a Celtic warrior woman who led a tribal army and fought occupying Roman forces.

Wikipedia entries:

Bonus Army
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bonus_army


Boudicca (Boadicea)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boadicea

"A new film is planned for release in 2006 entitled Warrior <4>, written by Brian Klugman and Lee Sternthal, directed by Gavin O'Connor, and produced by Mel Gibson."

Warrior (2006 movie about Boudica) site:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0409457 /

"Plot Outline: A drama about the warrior Boudica and her rise from peasant roots to become a military leader who led Britain against the Romans in 61 A.D., and who was posthumously crowned the first queen of the empire."

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Lisa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 07:33 PM
Response to Reply #211
222. check out the BBC TV version, too ...
It was made only a few years ago, and makes some very pointed comments about the War on Terror.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0338806/
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Hekate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 07:12 PM
Response to Reply #190
220. Welcome to DU!
Nice to have you aboard Nigel. :hi:

Hekate
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Pachamama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-09-05 12:15 AM
Response to Reply #1
258. Nat'l Sec. Threat? The threat of Cindy is what she & all the Mom's across
this country are going to do to Bush's already dismal poll ratings....

I met Cindy and have seen her speak publicly and heard her story...she is a very powerful force. When I met her, I intuitively knew right then and there that she is the biggest threat that this administration fears...the voice of a mother who lost her child who will be able to rally a nation....

Let them arrest her and watch how fast every mother across this country, including myself descends on Crawford, Washington DC and wherever else we need to be.

hell hath no fury like a woman scorned? No, hell hath no fury like Mother's scorned.... :grr:


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oneold1-4u Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-09-05 11:02 AM
Response to Reply #258
274. The next"STOP"
Is for women to stop all the men in their family from going or having to go into the military. KEEP THEM SAFE! Keep them home and bring them home by using every possible means.
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radfringe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-09-05 04:49 AM
Response to Reply #1
265. I thought this might happen -but
then I dismissed the notion thinking the bushies couldn't be that stupid... apparently they are that stupid

from a political standpoint -- this is the dumbest thing they could do

We had company over the weekend so I didn't catch much "tv-spews" -- I was off from work yesterday (monday) and did channel surf the tv-spews -- majority of the stories were about Peter Jennings, didn't see one story about Cindy Sheehan

according to another posting on the DU - Cindy Sheehan was scheduled to have several major "spews" interviews - but they all canceled. They must have gotten their orders to not cover her story.

Lack of coverage in major "spews" outlets would have squashed the story all by itself - but if she's arrested - not only will it get air time but it will also elevate Cindy Sheehan's status from a protester to martyr. and given the poll numbers about Iraq - this is a very dangerous thing for the bushies to do...


http://www.pollingreport.com /

Rhetorical question: Would bush* refuse to speak to Sheehan if she were there with "support bush" signs and wanted to thank bush* for the Iraq war? Would they arrest her if she gushed with praise for bush?



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lazarus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 11:54 AM
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2. I'll be an hour away
from there next week. Guess I'll have to take some time away from the family vacation.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 07:47 PM
Response to Reply #2
226. I hope there's still some
activity there when you go down to Texas(?).

If I were anywhere within a few states but I'm up here in New York and planning a trip to Nova Scotia. But, what a part of important history that would be for ya'll.
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jahyarain Donating Member (254 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 11:56 AM
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3. sorry Cindy,
your free speech has just been revoked. on what mf grounds can they do this?
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OKthatsIT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 12:04 PM
Response to Reply #3
19. your free speech has been revoked, too...what r u going to do about it?
Look, we're all in this together....what happens to one, happens to US all.
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jahyarain Donating Member (254 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 12:18 PM
Response to Reply #19
49. actually
i'm looking at my vacation days right now. i have no desire to be in tx but these fuckers are gonna get more than they bargained for this time. everyone i've talked to is pissed and ready to do something. and dude, it was sarcasm ;)
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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 11:57 AM
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4. Could Bushco. Be Any More Stupid and Predictable?
Playing right into Cindy's hands.
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Mokito Donating Member (710 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 12:01 PM
Response to Reply #4
12. No publicity like bad publicity
nt
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jean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 12:04 PM
Response to Reply #4
18. She is an excellent field general - her reactions to his words and deeds
have ended in him being trapped like a cockroach - anything he does sucks and she is still in the news.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 01:01 PM
Response to Reply #4
91. pretty stupid of the WH if this Does happen. ---hope it turns a few heads
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Pacifist Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 01:54 PM
Response to Reply #4
119. Oh sure.
Just when you think they've hit rock bottom.....they never fail to disappoint.
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cal04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 11:57 AM
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5. I hope there are thousands of people there to witness
this disgusting act and ask in front of this entire country
How am I a threat to the national security of this country!
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cliss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 12:05 PM
Response to Reply #5
20. Yes, I certainly hope so.
The police in Crawford SHOULD arrest Cindy Sheehan. They should very openly hold out the handcuffs, with the lights twirling on top of the squad cars, and escort her to the car. Take her to jail.

Now, don't get me wrong. I'm supporting her. But this will give her even more publicity than before.

Plus, she might be safer in jail. I understand Secret Service vehicles are trying to run them off the road. She might get hit or killed while out walking along the road.

BUSH.....you have just met your Waterloo.
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Sequoia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 12:19 PM
Response to Reply #20
52. Waterloo, waterloo, where will you....
meet your Waterloo
Every puppy has his day everybody has to pay everybody has to meet his Waterloo (course)

Now ol' Adam was the first in history with an apple he was tempted and deceived
Just for spite the devil made him take a bite
And that's where ol' Adam met his Waterloo
Waterloo Waterloo...

Little General Napoleon of France tried to conquer the world but lost his pants
Met defeat known as Bonaparte's reterat and that's where Napoleon met his Waterloo
Waterloo Waterloo...

Now a feller who's darling proved untrue took her life but he lost his too
Now he swings where the little birdie sings
And that's where Tom Dooley met his Waterloo
Waterloo Waterloo... (Sonewall Jackson, old country song)

(My verse)

Now the President, compfy in Crawford, TEX
Heard a mother, was gonna kick his pants
So the presscorps desended on his ranch
And there's were the Chimpster meet his Waterloo.
Waterloo Waterloo...
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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-09-05 09:15 PM
Response to Reply #20
296. Don't believe Crawford law has jurisdiction...
the ranch is outside the city limits

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rateyes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 02:51 PM
Response to Reply #5
153. I bet it's a damned bluff intended to intimidate her
into leaving. They've got another think coming. They know that arresting her will be political suicide--bet they change their minds---but, of course, I do hope I'm wrong. I well remember the civil rights movement and the arrests and beatings of blacks who protested with non-violent resistance---it changed the world---it also worked in Poland, India, etc.----This could be huge---people won't put up with arresting a grieving mother for nothing more than exercising her right of free speech and protest.

Why is Thursday the magic day? If she becomes a threat to National Security on Thursday, why is it that she's not already a threat to National Security? Intimidation tactics. If she was really a threat to NS, the PRUDENT thing to do would be to arrest her now. Waiting till Thursday is just a bunch of BUSHshit.
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tblue37 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 05:29 PM
Response to Reply #153
197. If they change their minds and don't arrest her,
does that mean they are flip-flopping?
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rateyes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 06:17 PM
Response to Reply #197
208. rofl...good one...and the answer is yes. eom
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Zan_of_Texas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 06:10 PM
Response to Reply #153
204. Thursday is for a reason. HERE IS HOW TO HELP!
I'm getting emails pretty much hourly from people who are talking with those there, or were there.

Apparently, on Thursday Bush plans to go for a ride to a friend's house, and would have to pass by where Cindy & friends are camped.

Talk is they may move arrests up to Wednesday.

One blogger, Judith, has written:
If they arrest her, people need to swamp the White House with calls and mail and ask what the hell Bush means by supporting the troops... I guess his idea of support is to arrest the parents after the troops are dead and of no use to him.


Crawford Peace House is a house in town that was bought by progressives after Bush moved there, so our side could have a place to assemble and to serve as an oasis.

Got this from Code Pink in Austin:

Forward far and wide.....

Cindy Sheehan, Diane Wilson and several others are dedicated to staying at their roadside camp (located 5 miles from George Bush's ranch) until Bush agrees to speak to Cindy about the loss of her son Casey in Iraq.

PLEASE JOIN THEM!!!! CodePink Austin came up Monday to bring supplies and do whatever else we can do. We hope to come back as we can to camp with these great women. If you want to travel with us send us an e-mail at codepinkaustin@yahoo.com <>.

If you can come on your own see directions below.

If you can bring any of the following or contact us and we'll bring them for you--- Tiffany at (310) 836-8175 or tiffany@codepinkalert.org <>
Whitney at (323) 595-9169 or whit@codepinkalert.org <>
(or donate as per message at bottom to the Peace House):

Food and Water
Coffee
First aid kit
Tarps/canopy
Table(s)
Batteries
Flashlights
Wet wipes
Banner supplies
Rope (& other things to hang banners and signs)
nails & hammer
Bug spray
Ice chests/ Ice


Need to borrow: Ladder(s)
Car lighter adapter/converter for electric appliances
Tents
Table(s)
anything else you can think of...

Thanks for all of your hard work and commitment to the anti-war movement.

Peace,

CodePink Austin

To Crawford from Austin:

Take IH-35 North towards Waco. As you enter the Waco area exit Hwy 6 to FM 185 which will take you directly into Crawford.

Go straight through the light at FM 317. Take a right at the Luthern Church (Prairie Chapel Rd). Travel approx. 3 miles (the road will wind around a bunch). The camp is on the left where Prairie Chapel Rd. intersects Morgan Rd.

Another route to Crawford:

Take IH-35 North. In Beltan take the Killeen exit (Hwy 190) in Belton. Turn left as if you are going to Killeen. As the road curves, go straight on FM 317. You will pass through several small towns and will end up in Crawford. Turn left at the first light.

Take a right at the Luthern Church (Prairie Chapel Rd). Travel approx. 3 miles (the road will wind around a bunch). The camp is on the left where Prairie Chapel Rd and Morgan Rd. intersect.

CALL FROM CRAWFORD PEACE HOUSE FOR FINANCIAL ASSISTANCE:

We are in the process of mobilizing support For Cindy Sheehan's protest

Monetary donations are needed and can be sent to:

Crawford Peace House
P.O. Box 710218
Dallas, Tx. 75371-0218

Call john for bank wire info ... pay pal to be set up on web site soon

e-mail can be sent to crawfordpeacehouse@yahoo.com <>
our website is http://www.crawfordpeacehouse.org / <>

CRAWFORD PEACE HOUSE is located:

In the center of Crawford, Texas on Hwy 185 and the railroad tracks
9142 5th Street Crawford, Tx. 76638-3037

the Vigil is on Prairie Chapel road near the entrance to Bush's ranch

The phone is being reactivated should be back Monday afternoon 254-486-0099


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rateyes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 06:20 PM
Response to Reply #204
209. Thanks...
I can see how * would be intimidated by that crowd. WE WILL RAISE HELL IF THEY ARREST HER----MAKES ME ALMOST HOPE THEY DO.
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dandrhesse Donating Member (500 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 10:50 PM
Response to Reply #204
248. How about Jim Hightower? How about Michael Moore?
Both of these guys could bring some high profile attention and clout to this situation, has anyone attempted contacting them?
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Booster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-09-05 12:39 AM
Response to Reply #248
260. Isn't Willy Nelson, Sandra Bullock and Molly Ivins really close to
there? I don't know Sandra's political persuasion, but I'm positive she wouldn't approve of arresting Cindy. Where the Hell is everybody who's got a well-known name? Stand by this woman cause she's doing the right thing.
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Barkley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-09-05 10:05 PM
Response to Reply #260
300. What about the woman from "Voices in the Wilderness"?
who was a human shield in Iraq.
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AuntiBush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 10:56 PM
Response to Reply #204
250. Thank You. I really ADMIRE All Of You... Can't Thank You Enough.
Wish to God I could afford the trip. Humbled by all of your actions, as history is made before our eyes.

Godspeed. Best of Luck. Hope it changes the world.

Peace.
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electropop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-09-05 11:53 AM
Response to Reply #153
277. Waiting 'til Thursday to give the Press Corps time to arrive.
Oops. Maybe not such a good idea to wait? ;->
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bobbieinok Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-09-05 06:32 PM
Response to Reply #153
283. you're assuming it will be televised/reported........good luck, US!
I well remember the civil rights movement and the arrests and beatings of blacks who protested with non-violent resistance---it changed the world---it also worked in Poland, India, etc.----This could be huge---people won't put up with arresting a grieving mother for nothing more than exercising her right of free speech and protest.

so what if bushco stops all reports about this because of 'national security'?

this ploy and similar ones would fail only if there are 100s-1000s of people there with their video cameras
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DBoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 11:58 AM
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6. I hope someone is there with a digi-cam
streaming this live on the Internet.

Seriously, start the streaming now - let everyone know.

The whole world needs to see this.
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oneold1-4u Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-09-05 12:10 PM
Response to Reply #6
279. Yup
You can bet that what ever media is allowed will not ever have a real picture! They may even abuse people with cameras!
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meganmonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 11:58 AM
Original message
A threat to Nat'l security?
:grr: :mad: :grr: :mad: :grr: :mad: :grr: :mad:

What a stinky sack of BULLSHIT!
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BamaBecky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 01:35 PM
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113. This is such a joke.......Nat. Sec....Sheesh....Get Real Bush!
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 01:58 PM
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126. Well, I think she could kick Bush's ass one on one,
"A threat to Nat'l security?"

so I understand how he feels less secure, but for the rest of us, I think they are overdoing it a bit. Maybe if they were to concentrate instead on the people in the White House that outed one of our own CIA agents in a time of war, we as a nation might feel more secure.

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Zan_of_Texas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 06:13 PM
Response to Reply #126
205. nat'l security
So, if Bush believes Cindy to be a security threat,
WHY THE HELL did he send two of his aides to meet with her?
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ClintonTyree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 02:46 PM
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149. Really..........
that coward will hide behind anything, won't he?
Yeah, a 46 year old woman with a candle and few other creature comforts is a definite threat to georgie-boy and all of his Secret Service's details instruments of death.
george bush has given a new definition to the word; COWARD! What an arrogant, juvenile, spoiled rotten little prick.

I join you in your :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr:
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Bush_Eats_Beef Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 11:58 AM
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7. Contact the Crawford Good Ole Boys...I mean, "Sheriff's Department."
http://www.co.mclennan.tx.us/sheriff/deptmt.html

Larry Lynch
Sheriff

Randy Plemons
Chief Deputy

Capt. Paul Wash
Administrator/Records

Capt. Kenneth Vanek
Patrol/Investigations/Courthouse Security/DARE
Drug Task Force/Mental Health/Warrants

(254) 757-5000

Flanked by miles of pasture, Sheehan spoke with reporters while clutching two photographs, one of her son in uniform, and the other, a baby picture, when he was seven months old.

She said she decided to come to Crawford a few days ago after Bush said that fallen U.S. troops had died for a noble cause and that the mission must be completed. "I want to ask the president, `Why did you kill my son? What did my son die for?" she said, her voice cracking with emotion. "Last week, you said my son died for a noble cause' and I want to ask him what that noble cause is?"

White House spokesman Trent Duffy said response that Bush also wants the troops to return home safely. "Many of the hundreds of families the president has met with know their loved one died for a noble cause and that the best way to honor their sacrifice is to complete the mission," Duffy said. "It is a message the president has heard time and again from those he has met with and comforted. Like all Americans, he wants the troops home as soon as possible."

The group marched about a half-mile before local law enforcement officials stopped them at a bend in the road, still four to five miles from the ranch's entrance. Capt. Kenneth Vanek of the McLennan County Sheriff's Office said the group was stopped because some marchers ignored instructions to walk in the ditch beside the road, not on the road. "If they won't cooperate, we won't," Vanek said.

http://www.michaelmoore.com/words/index.php?id=3588
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phiddle Donating Member (749 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 11:58 AM
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8. Maybe they could seek a court injunction against the Secret Service.
Edited on Mon Aug-08-05 11:59 AM by phiddle
The constitution supposedly protects the citizens from arbitrary exercize of authority. Such a move---seeking an injunction---would guarantee press coverage over the next few days.
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Talismom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 12:05 PM
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21. Yeah, now this is what the 2nd amendment and the right to
bear arms was all about!
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Redstone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 10:47 PM
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247. I don't think this has anything to do with fucking guns.
Edited on Mon Aug-08-05 10:48 PM by Redstone
And your suggestion that these protesters should be armed makes me think you're trolling us and trying to turn a legitimate, peaceful protest into a bloodbath.

Redstone
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Talismom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-09-05 06:19 PM
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282. I don't think there's any need to get all hostile or jump to conclusions.
I was referring to a previous statement about the constitution protecting citizens against "arbitrary abuse of power", and noting that that was the situation that they had in mind when granting those citizens the right to defend themselves. I've never been interesting in having anything to do with guns, but the abuses of power are piling up and I'm truly getting worried.
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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 11:59 AM
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9. This is an example of the Patriot act taking our rights away
Cindy your our hero!!!
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 11:59 AM
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10. What if 40 thousand people show up in support?
The SS would be shitting bricks.
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 12:07 PM
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26. Gawd I wish I could go
I really want to be there to help stop this BS.
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 12:11 PM
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31. Spread the word of her threatened arrest
The more people hear of it, the less likely they will.

It would be incredibly stupid for them to do it.
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jmowreader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-09-05 08:07 PM
Response to Reply #10
288. Bush would just call in artillery on Camp Casey
I'm certain SOMEONE in Bush's entourage knows how to do it.
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Bush_Eats_Beef Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 12:00 PM
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11. Check out this response from one of the Daily Kos posters:
love the idea (4.00 / 4)

that the threat to national security doesn't start until Thursday. I didn't realize you could turn threats on and off like that.

by sophiebrown on Mon Aug 8th, 2005 at 09:44:24 PDT

:evilgrin:
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txindy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 12:14 PM
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40. ROFL!!
That about sums it up!!

:rofl:
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CoolOnion Donating Member (860 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 04:07 PM
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185. LOL! Good one!
:toast:
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wildwww2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 12:01 PM
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13. First ammendment rights are not threats to national security. Bu$h is.
When will the fascist`s ruining our country read the constitution and get a freaking clue? Oh thats right Bu$h does not read. Thus he could not stop his gift horse of 9/11 from happening.
Peace
Wildman
Al Gore is My President
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patrioticliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 12:02 PM
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16. Please post this to every goddamn list you know of
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OKthatsIT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 12:02 PM
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14. WELL GOOD...let the media see Bush arrest grieving mother.
Edited on Mon Aug-08-05 12:02 PM by OKthatsIT
National Security...WHAT A FRIGGIN JOKE! How many miles away are they protesting? 5 miles? Give me a break.

We are all going to face the same thing in future...SO BE IT!
WE WILL TAKE BACK OUR COUNTRY FROM THESE CRIMINALS.

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bobbieinok Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-09-05 06:37 PM
Response to Reply #14
284. let the media see the arrest/let US see.......this is a major assumption
that anyone will be allowed to report this
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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 12:02 PM
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15. This will be interesting
I just can't see them using that charge, though. That would be amazing. Should they arrest her, I think they would trump up some charge relating to the land they are temporarily occupying. I am just speculating though - Bush has a talent for doing the unimaginable.
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klyon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 12:27 PM
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61. I think they could be arrested for failing to disperse when ordered
I'm not a lawyer but protesters have been arrested in the past.

KL
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ChairmanAgnostic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 12:43 PM
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73. disperse from where? Public property?
I agree with an earlier poster. I hope they do arrest her. That would make many more people rise up and realize how amoral, immoral and dirty this administration is.
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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 03:54 PM
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175. It sounds like they will use an anti-protesting ordinance
and/or a trespassing and highway safety dodge. At least that is my impression from the thread on GD. It would be best if it was on film.

It seems like a bit of a Kent State moment that might be shaping up. I don't mean a shooting, but a revelation to the public of the administration's fear of the anti-war movement, through the arrest of this grief stricken mother.
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lynne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 09:32 PM
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242. Is it public property?
In my state, the highway department has a 5 foot right-of-way on each side of the road. Beyond that, property is privately owned with exception of public parks or any property owned by municipalities.

Maybe its different there. I was just wondering if it is truly public property.
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deadparrot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 12:04 PM
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17. Threat to national security, my ass.
George is afraid.
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Zan_of_Texas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 06:16 PM
Response to Reply #17
207. Okay. I get it now.
SOLDIER'S MOTHER CINDY SHEEHAN A THREAT TO NATIONAL SECURITY

"BIN LADEN DETERMINED TO STRIKE INSIDE THE US" NOT A THREAT TO NATIONAL SECURITY
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nigelthebrit Donating Member (18 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-09-05 05:26 AM
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266. Threat to National Security?
If Cindy Sheehan is a threat to either her country's national security or to mine, then I'm Henry VIII!

But this lady has the power to take away this charlatan Bush's entire credibility as a "leader".

So, make use of it Cindy - with our blessing, from your friends across the pond!
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 12:06 PM
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22. This is an ignorant move by an ignorant bunch of thugs. I bet bush**
has been chomping at the bit to have her arrested all along.

Uncle Donald the Village Idiot is on the way with the Creature from the Hell) Condi. They can stiffen the little cretin's backbone.
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 12:11 PM
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32. So now they've threatened her with death and arrest
Par for the BushCo course so far.

All he has to do is talk to her for 15 minutes and it would be over. Instead they go into fascist dictator mode. Saddam would be proud.
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WhoWantsToBeOccupied Donating Member (413 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 01:00 PM
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89. No. What "noble cause" did her son die for? Bush has no answer.
Pumping up already insane oil company profits and helping the GOP keep an election close enough to steal aren't exactly "noble causes."
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Dulcinea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-09-05 06:56 PM
Response to Reply #89
286. We have a winner! *ding*ding*
Edited on Tue Aug-09-05 07:05 PM by Dulcinea
Bush has no clue what to say to her. None. Nada.

Besides, he will have nothing to do with anyone who disagrees with him.
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shanti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 01:20 PM
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100. oh but then
it would "set a precedent" and * couldn't have that, now could he?

:sarcasm:
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grytpype Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 12:06 PM
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23. Dear Leader has posted about Cindy on his blog...
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jean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 12:19 PM
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51. wow - dear leader can blog, who knew?
that pix of Putin apparently helping bush drive the truck is priceless.
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JerseygirlCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 12:07 PM
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25. Threat to national security?
Geez.
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Benhurst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 12:09 PM
Response to Reply #25
29. What a joke. Bush and the Bush Crime family are the real
threat to national security.
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JerseygirlCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 12:13 PM
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39. No kidding. This is so f/u nt
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Wetzelbill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 12:08 PM
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27. wow, what an embarrasment........
Our administration has no shame. This is an embarrasment for our country piled onto a bunch of them. Bush is a coward. What a chickenshit.
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StaggerLee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 12:08 PM
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28. They arrested MLK too
And that man moved mountains.

(yep, that's JC with him)
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soleft Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 12:10 PM
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30. This is who Cindy Sheehan is to me

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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 12:14 PM
Response to Reply #30
41. Yep, this is a Tienanmen square type event
Here in the good ol' "free" USofA. Except this time, Bush is driving the tanks.
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grytpype Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 12:21 PM
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54. Good analogy.
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OKNancy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 12:37 PM
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67. Excellent analogy
:hi:
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soleft Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 01:28 PM
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108. I'm going to paste the pic on my postcard to her
:hi:
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okieliberal Donating Member (1 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 01:34 PM
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112. Cindy Sheenan's impending arrest
OKNancy, just curious about your screen name, I am from oklahoma. This is my first time to post here, I have been coming to the site for a long time though reading the posts and articles here. Makes me feel better to know that in a state full of repugs I have some place to go where people feel like I do. I told my husband just this weekend that I thought they would arrest Cindy Sheehan, it really comes as no surprise to me. Nothing they do will ever surprise or amaze me again, I'm all used up on that.
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jaysunb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 01:55 PM
Response to Reply #112
122. Welcome to DU
You'll find lots of like minded people here !
:hi:
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Hekate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 07:35 PM
Response to Reply #112
223. Welcome to DU
:hi:
You are not alone, even in Oklahoma. There are several DUers who have worked OK into their monikers. (not me, I live on the coast in CA)

Hekate
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lavenderdiva Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 08:39 PM
Response to Reply #112
233. Welcome to DU, okieliberal!
You'll like it here, and find a LOT of wonderful people of similar minds.... Its wonderful! :hi:

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bobbieinok Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-09-05 06:42 PM
Response to Reply #112
285. also in OK....check out the list of DUers from OK in the OK State forum
welcome
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StaggerLee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 12:46 PM
Response to Reply #30
75. Perfect!
She's standing up to these thugs. I know her son is very proud of her right now.

We all are.

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dddem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 08:57 PM
Response to Reply #75
238. Very nice post.
And it made me think - Didn't Casey Sheehan fight and die to protect the rights of his mother and people like her to protest?
She honor's her son's life and memory, while bush continues to disrespect his sacrifice, and the sacrifice of thousands more who have given life and limb to support his selfish whims.
God bless Cindy Sheehan, and God help us all.
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 12:11 PM
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33. This is outrageous. Aren't they about 5 miles from the faux ranch?
How can a grieving mother and a bunch of unarmed, peaceful protesters be a threat to national security? I hope MSM gets wind of this and sends cameras. Nothing says compassion more than handcuffing the bereaved.
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Zan_of_Texas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 06:23 PM
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213. MSM are THERE!
According to Will Pitt, this is a perfect storm (my words, not his) because the White House press corps is camped out in Crawford with basically nothing to do for the month of August. They need stories. They rarely get access to the boy king. SOOOOOO.

That may have something to do with why the story had over 500 google listings yesterday morning.
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VegasWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 12:12 PM
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34. Damn, I wish I could be there to support her!!!!!!!!!! nt
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txindy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 12:12 PM
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35. Fort Hood is nearby and Casey was stationed there
Are there any groups there that would come out and support Cindy up in Crawford? Fort Hood is very protective of its own. Surely there are some folks that would do this.
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PuraVidaDreamin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 12:12 PM
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36. Cindy, just sit down in the street and don't move!
And everyone nearby have camera's and laptops ready-
incase the ban Corporate MSM.

Sending out positive vibes!
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pacalo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 12:12 PM
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37. That's three long days away...
He's just given the reporters who "spend each August in Crawford with little to do, minimal access to Mr. Bush and his aides, and an eagerness for any new story" something significant to report on.

I liked this Kos entry the best:

now we know... (4.00 / 3)

According to the Bush administration... what constitutes a threat to national security?

Letting Osama escape? No...

Outing a CIA operative? No....

Destabilizing the Middle East? No...

Potentially interfering with a GOP fundraiser? Yes!


by pb on Mon Aug 8th, 2005 at 09:48:43 PDT



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indypaul Donating Member (896 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 09:22 PM
Response to Reply #37
240. How about mailing anthrax? n/t
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gulliver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 12:13 PM
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38. "Hole in the Wall" Ranch backfiring.
It looks like Ms. Sheehan and her posse have Bush trapped in a box canyon. He can't escape without hopping a helicopter or running a gauntlet of TV cameras showing him skeedaddling away from a grieving, angry mother.
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jean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 12:21 PM
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56. he can always sneak off during the dark of night in a helicopter...
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 12:15 PM
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42. If a grieving American mother and some vets for peace are threats
to national security, how can b*sh claim he has made American safer? If national security is compromised by a middle aged, sad, tired and thirsty woman, the military, Patriot Act, torture at Gitmo and in Iraq are all pointless! If Cindy and her companions are a threat, the people in charge should be up on charges for they have made the nation unsafe!

National Security is not the same thing as protecting the junta. PNACers are NOT the nation. If Cindy and her companions are arrested, it is only for the convenience of the crooks and liars running the government.

Who here feels threated by Cindy Sheehan? Is she the cause of your economic problems? Is she the reason for high fuel costs which also raise the price of food? Is Cindy promoting hate and violence? Is she implementing policies which make it easier for terrorists to recruit new members? Is she leaving borders unprotected and cargo containers uninspected in US ports? Is it her doing that state National Guard units are away from the nation they are suppose to guard? Did she steal all the money missing in Iraq?

If they arrest these peaceful protesters using National Security as a reason, they are admitting they are afraid of the American People! WE ARE THE NATION! They declare war on We The People when they do this.

b*sh erred in going to Crawford. He is an easy prisoner there and it is his own doing. Send Cindy some food and water. Send the Coward of Crawford some diapers, cuz he is shittin his own britches if he considers Cindy Sheehan as a threat to National Security.

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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 12:37 PM
Response to Reply #42
69. Excellent!
:applause: No one here feels threatened by Cindy Sheehan, but apparently bush**Co,Inc. does. :yoiks:
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ninkasi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 03:40 PM
Response to Reply #42
171. Wonderful post, havocmom
You've put things in perspective beautifully. You say, "If a grieving American mother and some vets for peace are threats"
to national security, how can b*sh claim he has made American safer? If national security is compromised by a middle aged, sad, tired and thirsty woman, the military, Patriot Act, torture at Gitmo and in Iraq are all pointless! If Cindy and her companions are a threat, the people in charge should be up on charges for they have made the nation unsafe!"

The arrogant coward is only showing what a wimp, and miserable excuse for a human being he is. He struts and staggers at hand-picked appearances, assured of an adoring audience by making sure the audience agrees with him. He is surrounded by huge numbers of SS agents, and acts so cocky when he doesn't have the courage to face this poor mother.

What a disgrace, and national embarrassment he is. The whole world hates him, and the image he tried to cultivate as a rugged, man of the earth, is nothing but a cheap disguise, ripped away by Cindy's courage.
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Gregorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 08:44 PM
Response to Reply #42
235. Dead on!
You nailed it. And thank you.
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ClayZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 12:15 PM
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43. bu$h has 1 finger pointing at Cindy
and 3 fingers pointing at himself.

WHO is the threat to national security? I think more than half of the country knows the answer!

If wishes were fishes I would be real close to Crawford!

I hope there are thousands of us nearer than Seattle!





Beat the Swords to Plowshares
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atreides1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 12:16 PM
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44. This was bound to happen
First there was "Free Speech Zones", and the courts for the most part failed on that, then Bush was able to "create" enemy combatants,
and Congress let him.

Did anyone really doubt that something like this was that far down the road? The arrest of an American citizen, considered a threat to
national security, when all she is doing is guaranteed by the 1st Amendment. And while she's being arrested, the great U.S. military
which is sworn to defend these rights, is fighitng and dying so that
someone else can have them. But they won't fight so that Cindy Sheehan can have those rights, they look the other way and like good
wind up toys do what they are told, and die in the process.

Let's face it, the U.S. military has failed in its duty to defend and support the U.S. Constitution, and now that they will follow
every order that BushCo gives, this country is on the path to darkness.

And please, no comments on what can they do? They could do something,
but they are afraid. To patrol a street in Iraq, that takes courage,
but we need a different type of courage form those in uniform. The courage it takes to stand up for principles, to truly perform their duty.

Unfortunately, there are not many who have that kind of courage, at least not now. Perhaps, when they hear of a family member arrested for just trying to use those rights that Americans once had, maybe then the U.S. military will get the courage to do their duty and defend that document that is the DNA of this country.

We can always hope.



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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 12:46 PM
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76. Pardon my tin foil, but I have ALWAYS felt part of the reason to deploy
troops overseas was to keep them away from the real fight to preserve American liberty which would be waged at home.

Those troops are basically held hostage in Iraq. They were dropped into a situation of the PNACers' making and have to fight or die there. Long swim to get home and protect American Mothers like Cindy Sheehan.

Remember back in the last days of the Soviet Union? The power elite sent troops out to face their mothers and grandmothers. For the most part, the troops did not fight against the people for the rulers. The junta learned something from that.

Getting troops into harm's way abroad made things safer at home ONLY for the crooks and liars.

Let us hope there is some brass with real brass left in command who know the oath they took was to a nation, a Constitution and the Office of CIC, not to any individual squatter who wrongly claims their allegiance and obedience!

And let's hope nobody in the top ranks is stupid enough to have the real codes in that briefcase that follows the chimp around! There should be no doubt that the administration would use those codes to defend their own cowardly hides if the going gets tough enough for them.
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emc Donating Member (223 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 12:17 PM
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45. about time now
isn't it about time that CNN and Fox turn away from this story and concentrate on something more important and earth shaking like Brad Pitt and his indiscretions or how progress is being made at the land fill in Aruba????

Hasn't Rove given them their story leads yet????
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 12:19 PM
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50. I'm trying to figure out why Al Franken isn't talking about it
Edited on Mon Aug-08-05 12:24 PM by tridim
I have no doubt Randi, Sam, Janeane and Malloy will.

Edit: He's talking about it now. Sorry Al.
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KyndCulture Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 12:18 PM
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46. This gives the story more legs... Cindy was prepared for this.
I agree it's horseshit that she's a threat to national security.

We need thousands of people down there before thursday....

this *IS* the revolution we've been hoping for. We've got to take a stand now. Let Cindy be our shining beacon and let's use this energy all across the internet. Every person will know who Cindy is before she gets arrested.

There is no power stronger on earth than a mother's love... And weed has met his downfall in this one!

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Copperred Donating Member (554 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 12:18 PM
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47. THEY REALLY WANT TO LOSE ALL THEY HAVE

EVERYONE WHO IS SITTING ON THEIR ARSE WHO IS WITHIN 150 MILES OF THAT PLACE SHOULD GO....MORE IF SOMEONE WILL PICK ME UP IN OHIO

ARREST HER??

ARE THEY IDIOTS>..

CINDY IS IN EVERY PAPER IN THE COUNTRY>>>>AND THE COUNTRY IS WATCHING HER>>>>


YA ARREST HER!!!!!
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KyndCulture Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 12:24 PM
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58. The whole WORLD is watching... the story is in 15 countries now.
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 12:18 PM
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48. These people threaten bush's poll standing, thats that.
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Larkspur Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 12:20 PM
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53. Will bush declare Cindy a "Enemy Combatant" and ship her off to Gitmo?
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skids Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 12:21 PM
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55. That means Wednesday.

They'll come earlier than expected. They won't want it on video.

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Tuesday_Morning Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 12:24 PM
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57. Email this everywhere!!! n/t
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K8-EEE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 12:26 PM
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59. Chicken George
He's such a chicken shit!!
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noamnety Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 12:26 PM
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60. Striking fear into the heart of the War President:
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 12:37 PM
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68. Hello? Operator?
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ninkasi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 03:54 PM
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176. I live in Texas...
I hope Cindy and her supporters have insect repellent, sun screen, water, and it wouldn't be a bad idea to have big umbrellas. When I was young, my granny took her "parasol" with her if she was out in the heat of the day. It provides at least a little shade, and will be useful in case of rain. Another item, although I hope it's not needed, might be a snake bite kit, if there is some kind available.

Of course, the biggest snake of all is cornered on the pig-farm, unable to face a woman whose son he sent to die, so that his buddies would add more billions to the billions they already have.
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Pam-Moby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 12:28 PM
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62. OMG
You know I just find this appalling. Where are all of these rethugs that thought Terri Schiavo was a good cause to fight for and not even compassionate enough to give Cindy the time of day. I think we need to tell the rethugs to practice what they preach.
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KyndCulture Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 12:30 PM
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64. And what we need to do is turn this into a media circus...
Edited on Mon Aug-08-05 12:31 PM by KyndCulture
just like the Terri thing was... if the media wants one story all day long, why can't it be this one. If more people get down there they will dive all over it.

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Pam-Moby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 12:41 PM
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71. I wish I could go and help her out, but am here in MI
We need to start emailing the TV stations and tell them of our feelings about how Bush is handling this or in other words not handling it at all. What a shame when our President does not care.
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Tuesday_Morning Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 12:51 PM
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85. Just emailed...
Austin American-Statesman
Austin Business Journal
Austin Chronicle
Austin Community Access (Ch. 10, 11, 16)
Chat & Chew
KEYE (CBS-42)
KJCE 1370 AM
KLBJ 590 AM
KLRU (PBS)
KOOP 91.7 FM (Community Radio)
KTBC (Fox 7)
KUT 90.5 FM (NPR) Univ of Texas at Austin
KVUE (ABC-24)
KWNX 1260 AM (ESPN)
KXAN (NBC-36) / KXAM
Latino USA (NPR)
News 8 Austin *
San Marcos Daily Record
The Senior Advocate Newspaper
Texas Education Review
Texas Monthly


I used the Progressive Democrats media blaster. Hope they don't mind.
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Pam-Moby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 01:28 PM
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107. I just sent a email
to Rogers my congressman and told him what I thought of the uncaring republicans that do not care about Cindy. I also reminded him that the repubs got involved over Terri Schiavo case. I asked where are they now! Where is the compassion.

Then I emailed hard ball Chris with some of the same.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 03:59 PM
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181. most suff on the tube today is about Jennings.
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w8liftinglady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 06:59 PM
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218. Good Idea
All my congressmen are Republicans.Think I'll drop them a similar e-mail
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benburch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 12:30 PM
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63. Everybody get there who can.
Make them arrest a hundred thousand of us.
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Orion The Hunter Donating Member (322 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 12:31 PM
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65. RE: Travesty
How can anyone in their right minds think it is ok for the mother of a fallen vet, who is questioning why her son had to die to the person who sent him to his death, to be arrested for merely wanting some answers?!

Newsflash: If you cannot stand up and answer the tough questions because of a decision you made Mr. President, then perhaps you should not be making those decisions at all.
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Teaser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 12:37 PM
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66. Is this real?
The domain was registered by the poster at Kos and it's inception was announced today, right before this new story was posted.

What's going on?
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KyndCulture Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 12:49 PM
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81. Yes it's real, it's David Swanson from Afterdowningstreet.org
You can trust this.

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Teaser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 01:02 PM
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93. Kewl.
That's all I needed to know.
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ChairmanAgnostic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 01:10 PM
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97. I have my doubts about the story.
Edited on Mon Aug-08-05 01:24 PM by antifaschits
First, if she was going to be arrested, they would NEVER announce it. They would just do it, in the middle of the night. (Think Elian Gonzales)

Second, if they wanted something to happen, they would first "start" something and involve the locals. It has a ring of plausible deniability that this White House craves.

Lastly, They really don't care one whit about her. She is a pimple on an insignificant mosquito, for all they care. (And I am sure they have polling numbers on this) They also know that if this story does capture the imagination of the people, and later, the MSM, that they can concoct some story about good and specific intel on the whereabouts of Osama bin Missing at the drop of the hat. They can easily swing attention away, anytime, anyplace, any reason.

The reason why they are so successful is that they have no shame. Not one bit. Not a speck. Truth and honesty and integrity are PR words, not descriptions of behavior. They are crass, craven and willing to do and say anything to maintain power.

(edited to fix my faux graammmerr and spellginh)
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 12:38 PM
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 12:47 PM
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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 12:49 PM
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82. I don't have time to tear you the asshole you deserve right now
hold that thought.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 12:49 PM
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Walt Starr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 12:54 PM
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87. What does she gain by drawing attention to herself?
Of course, you've just drwawn attention to YOURSELF.

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KyndCulture Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 01:02 PM
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92. Oh you're still here? Mods clean up on aisle 7 - troll splatter.
I do have the time to rip you the new asshole you so deserve....

You're compassion level is obviously on par with that of the bush family, the only person I see drawing attention to themselves is you. I think it's sick and disgusting to post negative shit about Cindy Sheehan. What if it was your child, how would you feel? Oh you're probably one of those people who use words like raghead and sand n----r aren't you? Get off these threads, I can't tell you how very unwelcome you are... Hope to see you tombstoned in the next 5 minutes, you stupid troll.

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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 02:15 PM
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136. I'm back
thank you Kyndculture for administering that beating for me. I was on my way out the door when I read that garbage.
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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 12:42 PM
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72. Not shot like the freepers suggested?
Doesn't Bush Ever listen to his "base"?
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expatriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 12:45 PM
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74. meewithcindy.org site is down. prolly has exceeded bandwidth...
We need that site up! If any one has contact info to her group they should inform them of this and ask if they have enough resources to increase bandwidth.
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benburch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 12:51 PM
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84. Please tell them that WhiteRoseSociety.org offers them bandwidth.
I have about 400 GB of unused monthly bandwidth and would BUY MORE for this cause.
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geckosfeet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 10:13 PM
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246. Just sent a few $$ to the Crawford Peace House; They're gonna need it.
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benburch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 12:47 PM
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78. Just read this note on Thom Hartmann's show. nt
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 12:53 PM
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86. Your sig line picture reminds me of the feeling: somewhere in the cosmos
the spirit of Andy is smiling and begging: bring them on!
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benburch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 12:58 PM
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88. Every time I think of quitting, I think of Andy. nt
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Mr.Green93 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 12:48 PM
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79. Cindy Sheehan should announce she is running for Congress
Everything would change and she could become an even greater force for good.
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Teaser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 01:04 PM
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96. They would destroy her.
Honest to god, after what she's been through, I wouldn't wish running for office on her. *'s evil minions would make sure America believes that she was a recurrent child molester whose child is better off dead than back in her filthy hands.
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Barkley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-09-05 09:49 PM
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298. Sheehan and Hackett in '08
I'd vote for her before I'd vote for Hillary.

She's got more courage and intelligence that Bush.

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unblock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 12:49 PM
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80. could they BE anymore obvious? this is blatant false arrest
at a minimum.

the timing is compelling evidence that the 'threat' is to shrub's public relations, not to national security.
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 01:01 PM
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90. Security? WHAT national security?
We don't have any national security. Can anyone say September 11 with bush asleep at the wheel? How about Valerie Plame? How about unguarded ordnance in Iraq, a breeding ground of terrorist hornets nests? How about unprotected nuclear facilities right here in the good ol' U.S. of A.?

This is about as paranoid and ridiculous as it gets. Little Boots has most definitely jumped the shark.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 01:03 PM
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94. bet the WH conjurs up a story--like denying this will happen.
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Sparkman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 01:16 PM
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99. There's no intent to provide security in Iraq, OR AT HOME! The U.S. can
take the steps to fix Iraq, pave the planet in asphalt, feed the world's hungry. But those jobs aren't getting done because ending Iraq hostilities ends the war profiteers golden goose.
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jbnow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 03:57 PM
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179. She is a threat
to bush's security (or insecurity). That pseudo-swagger can only be maintained by having his "friends" around him agreeing and not facing the enemy (anyone who disagrees openly)
His self confidence depends on that. He is an insecure coward outside of bushlala land.
He spent time with her in his vacant, disrespectful way and she committed the crime of not being impressed and of telling the truth about it.
Another meeting would be too much. She won't take his vague niceties, faked compassion and non-answers and that is all he has to offer.

She could be a threat to his fund raising session planned there at end of week. She could be a threat to his plummeting reputation. She threatens security by people seeing these soldiers are real people with real lives and real loved ones and the loss came in an illegal war for false reasons with horrible planning and without justification.

Oh yes, she is a threat.
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Tuesday_Morning Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 04:23 PM
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187. Commander Bunnypants is scared of a mom. n/t
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AFSCME girl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 01:04 PM
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95. This is awful...
is there anything we can do to help?

AFSCME girl
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Zan_of_Texas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 06:32 PM
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214. TO HELP -- see my post #204 above.
There are a number of suggestions.

Calling the media and the local police authorities probably wouldn't hurt either. Urging coverage. And, from the cops, fair treatment. (Not forcing people to walk in ant-infested weeds instead of on a road that is rarely traveled.)
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 01:12 PM
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98. Wow! Like the press won't eat the admin alive on that one???
Fucking MORANS!
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0rganism Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 01:21 PM
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102. Eat the admin alive? even odds the press ignores it completely
and I'll give you two-to-one that if it does get covered, it's slanted all to hell and buried on page 10.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 02:41 PM
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148. WH press core is itchng for a story--they are sitting around bored.
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Carolab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 01:20 PM
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101. More people should go there so they have to arrest all of them.
They are trying to head this thing off, so it doesn't have a chance to grow bigger.
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wakeme2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 01:22 PM
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103. I would expect by Thursaday there may be
hundreds if not thousands there to be arrested.

Not a smart PR move...
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 04:02 PM
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183. recall that the WH is NOT known for 'smart moves"!!!!
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Carolab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 01:25 PM
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104. Idiots! Nearly a quarter million people polled and 71% say she's right
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Pam-Moby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 01:34 PM
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111. the rethugs are out of the mainstream.....heheheh
Yes 71%
No 29%
Total Votes: 224,256

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rateyes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 01:25 PM
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105. I just sent an e-mail to
the Baylor Democrats at Baylor University urging them to get a contingent of students to go join the protest. When I hear back from them, I'll let you know what their plans are.

Arresting Cindy is a bad political move for Bush. I hope that when he takes off on his helicopter for events outside while on vacation that there are people nearby with signs that can be read from the sky.

"Talk with Cindy, coward!"
"Who are you afraid of? Little 'ol Cindy?"
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anarchy1999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 02:35 PM
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145. Thanks, Cindy and the Peace House need all the local support possible.
See other posts for supplies needed.

Water is big along with food and most of all, people.

Media pressure and all you do here at DU as well.
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Erika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 01:26 PM
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106. This is insane
I hope anyone who supports her can figure out a way to help her!
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Zorra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 01:30 PM
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109. Anyone for a coordinated mass nationwide general strike? n/t
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 01:55 PM
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121. I am. Have been since December 2000.
:shrug: A nation unwilling to have a nationwide general strike is a nation that doesn't deserve to call itself a democracy.
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William Bloode Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 01:31 PM
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110. Hahahahaha, thats what they need to do.
Thats a perfect plan, arresting her. That'll get her out of the way and make this little scene disappear :sarcasm:
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mnhtnbb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 01:43 PM
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114. MSN Poll for Bush Handling of Iraq War
Arrest Cindy Sheehan for threat to national security! What a joke!
I think Cindy and friends protesting should make a citizens arrest of Bush, Rummy, and Condi for war crimes against humanity!

MSN has a poll up on whether you approve of Bush's handling of Iraq.
Right now, over 80% DISAPPROVE. It's connected to the Cindy Sheehan story.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8851911 /

If the Feds try to arrest Cindy, I think Repugs running for Congress in '06 can kiss it good-bye.

I hope they do try to arrest her! Bring'em on! should be the rallying cry!
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dchill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 01:49 PM
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115. 84% NO!
Do you support President Bush's handling of Iraq? * 67016 responses
Yes 14%
No 84%
Not sure 2%
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AFSCME girl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 01:50 PM
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116. Wow, I just voted and
the current results are: 14% ~ yes
84 ~ no
2% ~ not sure
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LibinMo Donating Member (364 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 02:03 PM
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129. Voted in poll latest results
67100 responses
Yes 14%
No 84%
Not sure 2%
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Barrett808 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 03:20 PM
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166. 84% NO with 67451 responses n/t
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mia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 05:14 PM
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195. * 67782 responses

Do you support President Bush's handling of Iraq?

Yes
14%

No
84%

Not sure
2%

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jurassicpork Donating Member (435 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 11:40 PM
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254. 84% No (Duh)
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 01:52 PM
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117. Whose freedoms did Casey Sheehan die to protect if not his mother's??
Tell us that, Smirk! (You disgusting piece of pig shit!) :grr:
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Pacifist Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 01:53 PM
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118. I hope they are arrested.
Wish I could be there to be arrested with them.
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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 01:55 PM
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120. Freeps want her beaten first.
The original suggestion was deleted, but a response was not:
___________________________________

To: Grut

Don't you want her beaten first?

Does that cost extra?

17 posted on 08/08/2005 10:39:00 AM PDT by AppyPappy

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/1459228/po...
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Initech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 01:56 PM
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123. Has Commander Cuckoobananas ever heard of the first amendment?
It guarantees the right to protest! Threat to national security my ass!
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Not_Giving_Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 02:05 PM
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131. Sure he has
But he thinks it only applies if you agree with him!
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Ganja Ninja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 01:56 PM
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124. While I can't make a trip to Texas to stand with her ...
I'll be more than happy to write her a check for her defense fund if it comes down to that. National security threat my ass! The Crawford chickenhawk should be ashamed of himself. What a poor excuse for a man he is.
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Buns_of_Fire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 01:58 PM
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125. The charge? Offending the Chickenshit-in-Chief's delicate sensibilities
of course. Oh, and messin' with his Beautiful Mind (which is a security risk all by itself, but that's another story).

Yeah, let's see how a rootin' tootin' MANLY-MAN handles it, shall we? :grr:
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Not_Giving_Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 02:00 PM
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127. If the WH is bluffing, thinking she will leave
They will be wrong yet again. I have e-mailed every TV station in Houston, begging them to cover this.

GO CINDY GO!!!!!!!

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mojogeorgo Donating Member (321 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 02:02 PM
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128. Laura Flanders interview
Cindy Sheehan's interview on Laura Flanders, and how to help.

Please recommend, where you can. Transcribing is "hard work".

http://www.soapblox.net/myleftwing/showDiary.do?diaryId...
http://www.boomantribune.com/?op=displaystory ;sid=2005/8/8/14940/94375
http://www.mydd.com/story/2005/8/8/141643/9352
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/8/8/145039/7416

Okay, not all *that* hard, but time consuming, so I don't want it to be for naught.
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TX-RAT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 02:04 PM
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130. Thursday?
Why would she be arrest-able Thursday and not today?
Why the advance warning?
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Not_Giving_Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 02:06 PM
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132. Rummy and Condosleeza will be there Thursday
Somehow, that makes a grieving mother a threat to national security. Gotta love the logic!
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Bumblebee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 02:16 PM
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138. They want to save themselves an embarrassment and hope this
way she'll be scared, fold her tent, and leave. But then they also thought people in Bagdad were going to shower them with flowers...
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Bumblebee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 02:11 PM
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133. She is definitely a threat to Bush's sense of security
and he is president of the nation, so, by definition, it's National Security!! What's there not to understand? The man is on vacation, and what if all 2K mothers who lost their sons and daughters because of his policies and statements start disturbing him now? What kind of security of vacation is that? Of course she needs to be arrested!

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Maggie_May Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 02:12 PM
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134. You should be ashamed
Why can't Bush meet with Cindy. He is the commander and chief
that sent these men and women to war. Bush should have no
problem inviting her into the ranch for some coffee. This
women gave up a son and has a right to talk to the president.
There is no acceptable reason he does not see her. Mr Bush you
should be ashamed of yourself.
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Bumblebee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 02:14 PM
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135. Let me be the first one to welcome you to DU, Maggie!!!
:hi: :hi: :hi: :hi: :hi: :hi: :hi:
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Maggie_May Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 02:17 PM
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139. Thank you
Happy to be here!
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lavenderdiva Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 08:46 PM
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237. Welcome to DU, Maggie_May!
:hi:

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CorwinB Donating Member (27 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 02:16 PM
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137. I suppose...
Bush got a Daily Pretznitential Briefing titled "Cindy Sheehan determined to strike in the United States" on Aug. 6th ?
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earthside Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 02:28 PM
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140. Sheehan on Ed Schultz Soon
I sure want to know more about this part of the story.

I hope Ed asks her about the coming 'arrest'.
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Maggie_May Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 02:29 PM
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141. Vote
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3080261 /
War in Iraq: Should the U.S. add more troops or begin pulling them out? 5131 responses
24% add more troops
76% begin pulling them out
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Pam-Moby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 02:33 PM
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143. Done
* 5186 responses


Add more troops 24%
Begin pulling them out 76%

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Oreegone Donating Member (726 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 02:30 PM
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142. Homeland Security uses its power against the turrurists....
Guess they will never have to try her as she is a threat to National Security....Think they are testing their power for future citizen arrests. This is what Homeland Security is REALLY about. Osama is probably at the ranch eating Doritos and watching old movies.

You know like lets see if there is any outrage, after all she is only a woman. :sarcasm:
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genieroze Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 02:35 PM
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146. What a chickenshit chickenhawk. eom
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MarkTwain Donating Member (902 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 02:40 PM
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147. Not EVEN George Bush is that stupid...
.... is he?

They are going to turn this woman into a martyr now? This mother who gave her son for their oil. Damn, I made a bet the other day that he would never get under thirty percent approval.

I've got to go and cancel that bet.
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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 02:52 PM
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154. its pretty scary t hat they even made the threat
they must be pretty confident they can get away with it. I almost guarantee it will happen unless there are serious numbers out there.
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rox63 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 02:46 PM
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150. Sending out call to TX lawyers
Cindy needs your help. Her lawyers are based in Louisiana, and aren't licensed to practice in Texas. Cindy needs pro-bono legal help from sympathetic lawyers in Texas.

http://www.defiancezone.com/PeaceInPink.php
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earthside Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 02:48 PM
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151. Texas DUers
Who is the state legislator whose district covers Crawford that could have told Cindy Sheehan about the arrest plans?
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Not_Giving_Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 03:10 PM
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163. Here you go
http://www.capitol.state.tx.us/cgi-bin/db2www/fyi/cityl...

CITY of CRAWFORD

U.S. Representatives | State Senators | State Representatives | SBOE

Texas U.S. Representatives
CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICT 17 - CONGRESSMAN CHET EDWARDS
Address: 2264 RAYBURN HOUSE OFFICE BUILDING
WASHINGTON, DC 20515
Phone: (202) 225-6105
State District Offices

Texas State Senators
SENATE DISTRICT 22 - SENATOR KIP AVERITT
Capitol Office: EXT E1.608
Capitol Address: P.O. Box 12068
Austin, Texas 78711
Capitol Phone: (512) 463-0122
District Address: River Square Center, 215 Mary, Suite 303
Waco, TX 76701
District Phone: (254) 772-6225
State District Offices

Texas State Representatives
HOUSE DISTRICT 56 - REPRESENTATIVE CHARLES "DOC" ANDERSON
Capitol Office: EXT E1.422
Capitol Address: P.O. Box 2910
Austin, TX 78768
Capitol Phone: (512) 463-0135
District Address: 900 Austin Ave., Suite 804
Waco, TX 76701
District Phone: (254) 754-3892

Texas State Board of Education Members
SBOE DISTRICT 14 - MRS. GAIL LOWE
District Address: 11 CHRIS AVENUE
LAMPASAS TX 76550
District Phone: (512) 556-6262
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liberaliraqvet26 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 04:43 PM
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192. Isn't Chet Edwards a Dem??
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Justitia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 06:16 PM
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206. yes, Edwards is a Dem in the US House, Anderson is a repub in STATE house
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Justitia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 03:56 PM
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178. He identified himself as CHARLES "DOC" ANDERSON, a repub in the State House
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Puzzler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 02:49 PM
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152. They have it backwards...
... Bush is the threat to national (and international) security!


-P
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stevedeshazer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 02:55 PM
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155. Has anyone verified this information with other sources?
Cause we're going to look mighty stupid if this isn't true.
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KyndCulture Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 03:08 PM
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161. She said it on the Ed Schultz show... I take it it's for real nt.
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stevedeshazer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 03:27 PM
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168. My wife just told me she heard it. Source #2, good! n/t
Edited on Mon Aug-08-05 03:28 PM by Steve_DeShazer
On edit: Ms. Sheehan on Ed Schultz show.
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rox63 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 03:17 PM
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165. It was posted
On DKos by David Swanson of AfterDowningStreet.org. Plus her personal lawyers have also confirmed it. I can confirm the integrity of the folks at Spell & Spell.

http://www.defiancezone.com/PeaceInPink.php

Spell & Spell issues call to action to Texas attorneys

Cindy has confirmed with Buddy Spell, her attorney, that the Thursday arrest threat has indeed been conveyed. Accordingly, we are "lawyering up".

Below is an email which is currently being forward to ACLU and NLG attorneys across the state of Texas.

If you know of Texas attorney who might be willing to volunteer her of his services, please PM me through political switchboard.

Attn: Pro bono lawyers
Date: August 8, 2005
Buddy Spell is trying to coordinate a legal team to assist him in representing his clients which include Cindy Sheehan and Dennis Kyne who are currently holding a vigil near the Presidents ranch. Buddys license is limited to Louisiana only and he requires local counsel immediately.

Authorities have announced that they are planning to arrest Cindy and others on Thursday.

We need all interested pro bono lawyers to meet at Crawford Peace House

7:00 AM Thursday, August 11, 2005
Crawford Peace House
9142 5th Street
Crawford, Tx. 76638-3037




19:09:30 on 08/08/05
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stevedeshazer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 03:26 PM
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167. I don't doubt that source
Just saying that in order to become widespread news, more sourcing is needed from MSM.

If this is true, and I believe it is, this is the dumbest PR move ever made by the Bushies.
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The Straight Story Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-09-05 02:16 AM
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263. One question about that:
"Authorities have announced that they are planning to arrest...."

Other then what she has said, have the authorities actually announced anything? That seems a tad weird. If so, I would love to get a hold of that announcement.
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DerBeppo Donating Member (452 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 03:29 PM
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170. that's what i'm wondering
if they're going to go as far as to label her a "national security threat" then why wait 3 days? why not just arrest her now? this doesn't seem to make any kind of sense.
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paineinthearse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 02:57 PM
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156. John Conyers' support for Cindy
Edited on Mon Aug-08-05 02:58 PM by paineinthearse
http://www.conyersblog.us /

...Finally, kudos to Cindy Sheehan for speaking truth to power in Crawford, TX (news.baou, via buzzflash - http://news.baou.com/main.php?action=recent&rid=20396 ). I'm saddened, but not suprised, the president would not meet with her. I delivered a petition signed by more than 560,000 right to the White House and could not even get in the White House.

Discussion at http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
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fugwb Donating Member (35 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 03:03 PM
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158. "You can run but you can't hide" is what she should say to
Edited on Mon Aug-08-05 03:04 PM by fugwb
idiot boy if she is arrested. Turn his BS back at him.
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fighttheevilempire Donating Member (183 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 03:05 PM
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159. I've contacted JohnKerry.com and the DNC site...
I can't take it. It's only the second time in my life I've ever done such a thing, but by God this woman deserves an answer. A real answer, not the party line. I've asked them to contact all the people they can, to push for media coverage, and to support Cindy against the vicious attacks that have already started. I want to see people speaking out. John Kerry, Howard Dean, Max Cleland, Hillary Clinton, Senators, Representatives, veterans groups and citizens rights groups, political activists everywhere - get up, get out there, and help! Hold GWB accountable!
All it takes to have a powerful machine is support. So get all the supporters you can, now's the time.
I had already decided to go to DC for the sept 24th demonstration ( I wish I could be in Crawford, but PA is a long way) before this started. This only solidifies it. I dont care if I have to hitchhike to DC now, I will be there.
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fighttheevilempire Donating Member (183 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-09-05 01:30 AM
Response to Reply #159
262. Add CNN to the list...
I did send them a message before 6pm today - hopefully I will be able to do more tomorrow.
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Ice4Clark Donating Member (466 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 03:07 PM
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160. If your NOT listening to Ed Schultz right now, you should be.
Ed had Cindy on and he's mad as hell. He's contacting the TX legislature to find out who is threatening her with arrest. Also, a yound dem woman was just on, from OH and she says her mom and others are heading down to TX to show support...............Please, if anyone can join them, GO NOW!

This may be huge for finally waking up Americans!
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Prisoner_Number_Six Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 03:09 PM
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162. What's the location of the pig farm?
Anyone know where this insult will take place?

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Zan_of_Texas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 06:47 PM
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216. Directions to vigil.
This came from Code Pink Austin.

To Crawford from Austin:

Take IH-35 North towards Waco. As you enter the Waco area exit Hwy 6 to FM
185 which will take you directly into Crawford.

Go straight through the light at FM 317. Take a right at the Luthern Church
(Prairie Chapel Rd). Travel approx. 3 miles (the road will wind around a
bunch). The camp is on the left where Prairie Chapel Rd. intersects Morgan
Rd.

Another route to Crawford:
Take IH-35 North. In Beltan take the Killeen exit (Hwy 190) in Belton.
Turn left as if you are going to Killeen. As the road curves, go straight
on FM 317. You will pass through several small towns and will end up in
Crawford. Turn left at the first light.

Take a right at the Luthern Church (Prairie Chapel Rd). Travel approx. 3
miles (the road will wind around a bunch). The camp is on the left where
Prairie Chapel Rd and Morgan Rd. intersect.



Crawford Peace House might be a good place to stop if you're in town anyway---
In the center of Crawford, Texas on Hwy185 and the railroad tracks
9142 5th Street Crawford, Tx. 76638-3037

the Vigil is on Prairie Chapel road near the entrance to Bush's ranch

The Peace House phone is being reactivated should be back Monday afternoon
254-486-0099
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Barkley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 03:11 PM
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164. Sheehan and Hackett in '08
I hope she runs for office.

We need more people like Ms. Sheehan and Mr. Hackett as elected officials.
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libnnc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 03:27 PM
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169. Calling all *famous* Texans...
Yo! Molly Ivins, Ann Richards, Jim Hightower, Susan DuQuesnay Bankston, Willie Nelson...

Get out there with Cindy!
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-09-05 12:01 PM
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278. You forgot Bill Moyers
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against all enemies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 03:44 PM
Original message
Maybe they'll mace her. She's unAmerican.
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LiberalinNC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 03:44 PM
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172. Cindy Sheehan has more guts than that asshole Bush!
Keep up the great work! Going to mail her a postcard tomorrow!
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Janice325 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 03:48 PM
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173. Has anyone else wondered if this just might be a stall tactic?
Part of me is wondering is this is just a stall, 'cause Dumbya's handlers might be planning some major stupid shit to happen before Thursday, trying to detract from Cindy's arrest, or even trying to detract from all the attention she's getting. Or, maybe they just don't know what to do.
I can't believe they'd be SO STUPID to arrest her.
But then again, this is Dimson and Company we're talking about.
Does anyone positively know the name of the person who told Cindy she was going to be arrested on Thursday???
Thank the universe for Cindy Sheehan.
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Justitia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 04:04 PM
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184. He identified himself as Charles "Doc" Anderson
http://www.co.mclennan.tx.us/elections/contact_state.ht...

Charles "Doc" Anderson is a repub representative for McLennan County in the TX State House.
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volitionx Donating Member (86 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 03:51 PM
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174. Go ahead and arrest her, Bushbaby....
You'll just look like the fucking fascist you are, in front of the global media.

The Crawford paper (Lonestar Iconoclast) has a nice bit on Cindy today http://www.iconoclast-texas.com /

The paper endorsed Kerry in 2004, for those who don't know.

Anyway, American moms (and other relatives) who have had their kids killed in Iraq, will NOT like seeing Cindy cuffed and stuffed.

I see a storm a'brewin' in Crawford.

Of course she's not a thread to national security. BUSH and his neocon, corporate fascists are the threat to GLOBAL security. That's fucking obvious.

Imagine, if you will, every opponent of this war with access to a car, with the time to travel down to Crawford, DESCENDING ON BUSH'S RANCH LIKE A PLAGUE OF LOCUSTS.

SWARM! SWARM! BZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ!!!!

:popcorn:

What you gonna do then, Bush, you fascist? Arrest 30,000 people in front of every media outlet camera on the face of the fucking EARTH?

That's what we need: Basically like a Burningman festival in Crawford...HUGE numbers of people, as big as any March On Washington...and then when Bushbaby goes back to D.C., they follow his ass and camp out in front of the White House, just hounding him...



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pseudostar Donating Member (67 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 03:55 PM
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177. SS Tricks...
let's not take this as gospel. This could very likely be just an intimidation tactic to get her to leave. Arresting her would be a very very poor PR move.
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volitionx Donating Member (86 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 03:58 PM
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180. Don't forget...
Don't forget that Bush is the same fascist who used to arrest protesters who were picketing outside of the Governor's mansion in Texas.

He'd have them nabbed and STRIPSEARCHED for doing nothing other than walking back and forth in front of the masion with signs.

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bobbieinok Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-09-05 07:08 PM
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287. didn't he have disabled protesters arrested just before leaving gov office
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Fluffdaddy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 04:00 PM
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182. I support Cindy. That's all I have to say.
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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 04:08 PM
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186. I believe this stupid move will only cause Bush numbers to drop but
todays news that the US.Troop Levels are Likely To Rise in Iraq are going to continue to piss off most americans!

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savemefromdumbya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 04:28 PM
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188. What would happen if 3 million people turned up at the ranch
this should escalate if she is to be arrested?
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nigelthebrit Donating Member (18 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 04:31 PM
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189. Your impending arrest
I can only hope that if I have to make a stand for liberty of the kind that your making, I'd have the same courage too.

You are walking in the footsteps of Mary Dyer, Rosa Parks, and the Dorothy Stang, Cindy. Nothing can turn you. Nothing can shake you. Nothing and no-one can harm you.

God bless you. My prayers and countless other prayers go with you, wherever you go.
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Megahurtz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 04:52 PM
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193. Threat to National Security?!?!?!?!
What the Fuck?
The Dictators Bush&Corp. are sending this country down the toilet fast. :hurts:
ARGH!!! :argh:

I can barely stand any of it anymore!!!
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sintax Donating Member (891 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 05:00 PM
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194. Need something big and nationwide on Thursday
what's it gonna take?
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Historic NY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 05:16 PM
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196. Sounds like a stupid threat..........scare tactics
This would create more of a media circus than * needs. National Securty threat my ass. They are 5 miles from the pig farm and on a public right of way, that is hardly a threat. They are obviously being monitored by the sheriffs office and the SS, so what thats there job even if its costing them money to do so. It appears Cindy and her friends are peaceful, its more like a scare tactic than anything.
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ThoughtCriminal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 05:37 PM
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198. I think this is a setup - there will be no arrest
And then they will deny there was ever a threat. The RW media pundits will call it a publicity stunt. Now think. Where have we seen this strategy before?
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Gman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 05:42 PM
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199. Go ahead. Make her a martyr
Big mistake.
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Hekate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 07:07 PM
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219. If they had half the cunning attributed to them...
If Bush, Rove, and Cheney had half of the cunning usually attributed to them, they would have seen to it that a basket of food and bottles of ice water were sent out to Cindy, along with a note of regret that the Emperor was unable to meet with her just now. What great PR that would have been for them.

But no, they let her get heat stroke (see below). What exactly will it take for the rest of the American people to realize that this is really who they are?

Hekate

letter posted by a VFP friend of mine:

Hi All,

Cindy Sheehan is being carefully attended by Hadi Jawad and Johnny Wolf at Crawford Peace House (www.crawfordpeacehouse.org ). They will be hosting her, sustaining her and getting her medical and legal help when needed. The peace house needs donations to do this...please spread the word to donate via their website or the address there.

The last information I have had she is well but offline (a hardship for Cindy) and the effort continues. She recovered from heat stroke aggravated by law enforcement's refusal to allow us to return to her with more water and shade. I await further word from Hadi or Cindy.

Kind regards, Lane

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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 05:43 PM
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200. Thursday, they should all stay on the property next to
the pig farm.. They can still protest, but if they are on private property, I cannot see how they could be arrested.. :)

The reporters might enjoy being invited there for iced tea and some conversation.. They are not getting anythign but spin at the pigfarm.. Turn the press there into allies...
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TheCentepedeShoes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 05:51 PM
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201. Damn, wish I could be there
Gotta work, no vac time available. Tell Cindy to drink plenty of water and wear a hat when she's in the sun (Oh jeeze, what am I, her mother? LOL) She's a saavy lady, she'll take care of herself. But it's gotta be god awful hot and sticky down there. Now if our "Fearless Leader" lived up here in the Panhandle where it's hot but dry... OTOH we've got enough reposing bags of cow excrement (lying sacks of shit) here already.
You all please take care and GO CINDY !
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Greylyn58 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 06:01 PM
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202. Well if the pResident and his cabal
arrest this wonderful lady they will focus the eyes of the nation and the world on how truly evil Bushco and company are.

Arresting a grieving mother who just wants to talk to the *elected official* that sent her son to war and he won't even give her the time of day!!!









*supposed elected official--I didn't vote for him, but I guess someone did--so they tell us!!!
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hiley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 06:03 PM
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203. Cindy and other protesters were on
INN World Report it was a long clip.
Show replays at midnight central time on FreeSpeechtv and noon weekdays.
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Tesla Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 06:21 PM
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210. Let's collect on DU to help with their fines.
If we can be there, we can give, something!!
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Joey Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 06:23 PM
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212. Cindy Sheehan is a HERO n.t
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nytemare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 06:33 PM
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215. Nothing will be better for her cause than Bush having her arrested
Nothing will highlight her struggle, and the struggle of soldiers and their families more than this.

If Bush does this, his approval rating will end up in the low 30's.
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rateyes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 06:52 PM
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217. You know, (and I love it) * is in a "damned if you do..
and damned if you don't with this protest." If he talks with her, he sets himself up for others to do the same, and if he doesn't he looks like the cold-hearted pr**k that he is--and, if he has the group arrested because he has to "ride" by them on his way to visit someone, well, that's just icing on the cake. We are in a "win-win" here, and we need to ride this horse till it gets tired. Thank you, Cindy.
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 07:26 PM
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221. political suicide.
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Kittycat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 07:36 PM
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224. Right to Peaceful Assembly - WHOOOSH
Down the toliet :mad:
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 07:41 PM
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225. "threat to national security"?
Bush is more of a threat to our national security than Osama bin Laden and all the world's terrorists combined.

A gold star mom is a threat to our Commander-in-Chief? What coward do we have for President?
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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 08:09 PM
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228. Basically they're saying that the president=the nation
Edited on Mon Aug-08-05 08:10 PM by shadowknows69
I thought we the people were the nation. cindy doesn't pose any threat to me. or 260 million other americans. bush is not our country. we have the absolute right to protest our elected officials. if they arrest her for this BS then the Bill of Rights is officially null and void.
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LiberalUprising Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 07:56 PM
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227. This is just outragous
If you have a blog, please post a link to this story.
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Maggie_May Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 08:10 PM
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229. More of there crap
Check this they cannot except facts. They just got turn into Cindy's the bad guy. I just cannot believe this. Her son die and they do this shit this mhttp://rawstory.com/news/2005/Drudge_Report_grossly_misquotes_antiw_0808.html
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 08:13 PM
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230. My husband and I wondered how long before the asswipes used that tired old
excuse of national security


Bush is such a fucking coward.

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sakabatou Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 08:28 PM
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231. How is a non-violent protest a threat to nt'l security?
Edited on Mon Aug-08-05 08:28 PM by sakabatou
Oh wait...

Bush: "Make it so."
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shayes51 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 08:35 PM
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232. Does Bush think that a woman who has lost her child
will be afraid of a "little" thing like being arrested? This is just another example of how shallow he is.
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DirtyDawg Donating Member (594 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 08:40 PM
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234. He doesn't care if she's afraid or not...
...he, or his handlers, just don't want to have her standing around with cameras focused on her calling attention to what a sorry-ass president he's been. Sort of an 'out of sight out of mind thing'...like the war in Iraq, you get it.
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billbuckhead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 08:46 PM
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236. 1 of the things that ended Afghan war for USSR was moms wouldn't take it
Edited on Mon Aug-08-05 08:54 PM by billbuckhead
Even a totalitarian nation can't piss off the vast majority of it's moms. This is America's version of the USSR's Afghanistan. Check out these similarities.

"Some sources focus on public opinion and the eventual escalation of protests during and then after the war, starting with underground papers and protest demonstrations at soldier's funerals and grave sites (which were on small scale during the war, however). Although any protest was being immediately and severely put down (for the very act of opposition against the political establishment was regarded as high treason) no force could control the popular discontent of the Soviets, thus, protests were becoming more frequent and better populated. "I believed - I really believed," said a retired Soviet schoolteacher, of her lifelong party membership, in Fall of 1990. A Russian biologist related in early 1992 that "they said we were the happiest people in the world. How were we to know differently?" (Arnold, 200). Such actions are indicative of not only the mass frustration but also of political break-down.

According to Arnold, the Soviet Empire stood on three pillars: Military, KGB, and Communist party, and argues that the Afghan War ate into these pillars thus weakening them to the point of break-down. For example, when key military and KGB commanders refused to follow Dmitris Yazov and Valdmiri Kryuchkoo's commands, in August 1991, to storm the Russian Parliament where Boris Yeltsin was holding out, it was a decisive signal that the chain of command had lost its effective control. Also noteworthy is that among the civilians who manned the barricades around the parliament building and defied the tanks, were a sizable contingent of the afgantsy.

A channel through which a number of the Soviet people expressed their anger, frustration, and discontent was the independent free press. In magazines like Ogonyok people's letters were being published and the journalists gave accounts of the war based on personal experience. Two of my source, Small Fires and The Hidden War mainly focus on such publications. To show veteran's discontent with the government, I am including part of a letter, written by an afgantsy Senior Lieutenant, to the Ogonyok magazine: ...I will send you a letter with all the details about how some there "did battle," received and then were deprived of battle decorations, falsified the lists of those who would receive decorations, redistributed equipment and personal gear, about what our superiors drank, what the higher-ups had for dinner and what the majority ate, where goods for the Afghan population disappeared to, how the officers made cripple of their soldiers and ignored murders and suicides, about the tragic events in battle that were committed with the full knowledge and under the orders of high officials, how we lived and how they, the "regimental elite," lived, about how lists of those decorated were not issued according to the rules because of the personal enmity of superiors to their subordinates, how housekeepers, bathhouse attendants, and gardeners were reward, and in general about anything and everything." (Borovik 286-7)
<http://www.afghan-web.com/history/articles/ussr.html >
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all.of.me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 09:06 PM
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239. then thursday is the day for activists to descend on crawford!
hundreds of thousands of them, with more on friday. this will be great...
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moggie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-09-05 05:38 AM
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267. Plus a few agents provocateurs?
I can imagine the man slipping a few thugs into the protest. If it turns violent, a lot of the public support would evaporate.
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despairing optimist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 09:22 PM
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241. This is like Hoover and the Bonus Expeditionary Force all over again
Edited on Mon Aug-08-05 09:26 PM by despairing optimist
Hoover's approach: call in the cavalry to fire on WWI vets down on their luck who wanted only to collect the war bonus promised them. A young officer named Patton had the dubious honor of executing that order. I'm not sure how many of the BEF vets were killed or injured, but Hoover's popularity, already weakened by his hands-off approach to the ravages of the Great Depression, really plummeted after that, and FDR won the next presidential election by the biggest landslide in history.

The BEF marched on Washington a second time after FDR was sworn in, and on that occasion Eleanor Roosevelt greeted the vets: with flowers. They got the war bonus they had to fight and die for--twice.

Cindy Sheehan is the right person at the right time. She is in the vanguard of a new movement seeking justice and re-empowerment of the people just as the BEF vets did before her. As such she is in the great tradition of Americans who stood up to their government and its leaders when they were wrong and fought for change. She is a true leader and a patriot, so it is no wonder that our sorry excuse for a president cannot summon the courage to engage her. What she has inside her, he never had inside him, and so he cowers behind his sycophants and thugs like the pathetic tyrant that he is. If Cindy is arrested and martyred for the cause of truth and peace, George W. Bush will be known for all time as the embodiment of the corruption, deceit, shame, and disgrace that he not only allowed but encouraged during his time as president.

This week in Crawford may be more important than next month's demo in DC because it paints Bush the man and his administration in all the lurid colors they deserve, and keeps on painting him right into a corner. I would say that it's a pleasure to donate money to someone who isn't a politician and whose agenda is out there for all to see, but it isn't a game when the country's soul and future are at stake. I will say, though, that it's a pleasure to help someone who makes me proud to be an American--without any party affiliation, label, or other qualification attached to it.



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Chicago Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 09:46 PM
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243. CONTACT CNN!
This is gona be big. NATIONAL SECURITY?!!!
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Chicago Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 09:50 PM
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244. WRITE TO CNN! GET LIVE COVERAGE!
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jurassicpork Donating Member (435 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 11:47 PM
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255. I wrote to CNN
...and told them not to treat Cindy's story as a mere human interest story. This isn't someone finding and returning a bag full of money or getting a fucking cat out of a tree. This isthe beginning of the end for this administration and it's up to us and the MSM (if they were to suddenly care to do their fucking job) to b=make sure that Cindy doesn't slip below the fold or relegated between the comix and classifieds. Someone here said that Cindy represents the face that the anti-war movement desperately needs.

JP
http://jurassicpork.blogspot.com
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Dem2theMax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 09:54 PM
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245. Ed Schultz said he/his station, contacted the sheriff and Cindy and
others will NOT be arrested unless they break the law. This was announced after he had talked to Cindy. I heard him tell this to Paul Hackett this afternoon (about 2:35pm PST) as I was listening to his program.

Just reporting what I heard.
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rainman99 Donating Member (283 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 11:02 PM
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251. Thanks dem2theMax. You lowered my blood pressure.
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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-09-05 02:49 AM
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264. It wouldn't be the sherrif doing the arresting
for a "threat to national security". it will be the FBI or homeland insecurity wouldn't it? if they are stupid enough to take her to the local jail then we'll just have to surround that.
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jurassicpork Donating Member (435 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 11:49 PM
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256. That's good news, if it's true...
...has anyone heard if the freepers are going to converge on them and start trouble? They are in Texas, after all, Bush's adopted home state.

JP
http://jurassicpork.blogspot.com
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buddha8 Donating Member (73 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-09-05 12:27 AM
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259. ed schultz
Ed Schultz is a pitchman who is all about Ed Schultz. He doesn't get it. I don't want him in on this. Scratch him and you get kiss-ass underneath. ITs time that people moved en masse for a month long vigil in Crawford. If the facist monkey wants to vacation there fine. Why shouldn't 350,000 others join him? Its time for a general strike to protest government sanctioned torture,war crimes,murder,theft,betrayal and treason. The Media will be forced to cover such a great story. Until the people rise up and new leaders emerge who are not afraid I doubt this goes anywhere. Hightower,Molly and the others are good writers with cottage industries going, they are not leaders and they will not inspire nor would they risk arrest. The people who finally step forward to lead must do so realizing that they will spend half of their time as activists sitting in jail. We need Mario Savios and Martin Kings. Schultz who was a reporter on sports fishing before this stint in political talk is an apologist for the system who is chock full of inane cliches. His 'success' is attributable strictly to his 'style' which panders to the common middle American. His riff is an imitation of Limbaugh's sppeech and intonation. This is essentially why he is on AirAmerica. They are afraid that if they sound too intellectual they will alienate the angry masses of impotent white men and fat women who mainline talk radio as their only means of political education.
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Dem2theMax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-09-05 08:16 PM
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289. Oh, please come inside...
"Ed Schultz is a pitchman who is all about Ed Schultz. He doesn't get it. I don't want him in on this."

I think you'd better tell Cindy that, since she was ON Ed's show yesterday, Monday.

But thanks for the laugh.
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oneold1-4u Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-09-05 11:29 AM
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276. At least a billion $
worth of that ranch is american tax dollars! The fences, the vehicles including all helicopters and military quick response, the whole security complex including housing for large military contingent, all of the newest communication equipment, (even for media)! A conservative guess would be american tax dollar value at greater than all Saddam's palaces! The only savings at the moment is that the ranch isn't on the gulf or there would be a port with battleships and a few hundred yachts!
I live near several National Forests where one has to have a purchased license to pick a wild mushroom or walk a forest trail! That happened before bushes which are also against the law to pick berries from! Americans have been losing thousands of privileges and it is over due to stop paying for things that will never belong to Americans again!
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Barkley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-09-05 10:01 PM
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299. Does the Crawford sheriff have jurisdiction over the Secret Service or
Homeland Security.

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Massacure Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 10:53 PM
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249. History is an endless waltz, and the U.S. doesn't look like it is learning
Well, here goes another political firestorm, and the Republicans are on the receiving end of it this time!
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jurassicpork Donating Member (435 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 11:28 PM
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252. Isn't this how Woodstock got started?
When I last made a blog entry on Cindy and Camp Casey after work early this evening, I'd yet to find out about this arrest threat. I have to wonder what they'd arrest her for, aside from that cowardly "threat to national security" shit. She's surrounded by old hippies, for crissakes.

Hell, this whole brouhaha going on in Crawford (why, O why, did he have to buy a ranch in a town that shares my surname?) now could easily support a blog. I find it hard to think or write about anything else, these days. I think and worry about her when I'm at work. This has touched me on levels that even Paul Hackett's campaign in Ohio didn't the past couple of weeks (speaking of Hackett, he ought to be down there with her, now. He, like Cindy, has the moral currency and if he's smart, he'll want to stay in the public eye and what better way to do that now than in Texas? Besides, he's a lawyer).

I'm sending her a postcard ASAP. I wouldn't be a good liberal if I didn't.

JP
http://jurassicpork.blogspot.com

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buddha8 Donating Member (73 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-09-05 12:57 AM
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261. Bush is a drunk and Crawford is his watering hole
Someone asked why this pathetic moron retreats to Crawford of all places. Think about it. Move ever so slightly out of the box and invert the accepted norm that he is a 'recovered' drunk. Knowing full well that everything this ape-boy says is the opposite of truth one can readily deduce that he is a full on,shirts to the wind,closet alcoholic who is without question heavily enibreated 25 of his 30 odd days down on the ranch. You can bet your first child that the press corp has known this from day one and could share dozens of harrowing stories. You can also bet that Cheney is the acting Commander in Chief. Its so bizarre and so obvious that it trumps The Manchurian Candidate for fictional surrealism. And yet it is exactly what America wants and what it deserves. Americans have been stupidly indifferent to politics and government pretty much since the 70s. They have been in exquisite denial. Why shouldn't they then participate in fraudulent elections,be ruled by a puppet facist and be bilked for their last pennies by an insatiable war machine of blood thirsty vampires? The sooner this nonculture of Wendy's and Hummers, pornography and sports deities finally reaches bottom the better. Who is to say what the nature of that bottom will be? One thing is for sure. America is responsible for having validated a sick,drunken moron as their President because America is sick and drunken and depraved. Period. Until people realize how far gone this culture is there will be no meaningful change. Taking responsibility is the first step. The Great Depression was a vehicle that forced beleivers in the American myth to face the mirror and kill the image. Then the war with facism that followed was a kind of way that the culture pulled itself up out of the snake pit. But once Hiroshima happened it has been all downhill. The Military-Industrial Complex took over and all pretense of morality and high ground was forever lost and surely distorted. Whats the bottom going to look like this time around?
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evolved Anarchopunk Donating Member (188 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-09-05 08:52 AM
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271. very, very well said Buddha8 *stunned face*
i shouldn't be surprised by the eloquence of anyone who chooses to call themselves Buddha, but yet again I am bowled over amidst my lurking by the words of a newcomer. :hi:

This culture is the lack of one. Or worse yet the premature solidification of one that has Christianity at its base and invisibility at its core. But reality knows better, and so does karma. I've always said, let's clean up the air, let's cut down the waste and the walls, let's make our neighborhoods safe and realize that nothing is permanent>> THEN I'll take it seriously when someone talks about culture. Then we can pop our heads up above the canopy and construct a beautiful and accepting culture. In the mean time we seem very content only to blame the ills of the world as an inevitability of 'culture'. What a load of crap !

once again, well said, and we'll see what bottom looks like whether we open our eyes or not. Think about it.
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tblue37 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-09-05 10:15 PM
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302. Yeah--I have said this all along.
And the reason he didn't respond right away to the tsunami is that they couldn't let us see him until he had a chance to dry out.

Actually, I have read posts by many people who believe he drinks and does drugs down on the pig farm.
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buddha8 Donating Member (73 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 11:34 PM
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253. maybe its starting
I am thinking as I read this that this could be the simple beginning of a real anti-war movement finally, a peoples' movement against Facism. Cindy could start a kind of momentum which could pick up alot of steam. Just as the Freedom marches did down South and Mario Savio at Berkeley in 64'. The movement badly needs to get a human face. Rove and the other dedicated facists already know this. They will try to coopt this woman to defuse the energy but if they are stupid and do nothing and she is arrested then we have a story that the thrill seeking Media will cover. Then more people will become interested in the human side of this facist invasion. The power is only in the peoples' hands. No democrat in Washington can do anything. Most are already bought by corporations. The few with integrity and courage are completely marginalized. That is until a real peoples' movement begins. New leaders need to emerge who are exciting and electrifying. They should come from right out on the street and from simple American homes. No representative or politician is going to put his shrunken balls on the line to stop all this madness and face down facism. What we have right here and right now is a de facto facist state with a 24/7 noise machine spewing lies and propaganda that make lies sound like truths and truths sound like lies. But high personal emotion,people momentum,sit-ins,facing down facist power and a strong human face could just turn the tide. There is absolutely no question in my mind that what remained of a semi-functioning representative system was overthrown in December 00'. The Junta has amassed great concentrated power since then and will do anything, anything at all to hold onto this power. Bush himself is just a moronic puppet who perfectly reflects the sick and fearful underbelly of American consciousness. A crude,ignorant,sadistic and deeply self-centered buffoon. He has held the mirror up to American culture. America must take responsibility for its sickening dark side before it ever removes this canker from its rectum.
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marions ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-09-05 08:34 AM
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270. whew
blistering words from a buddha

you should speak (or write speeches) for a rally :) welcome to DU BTW
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LordshipLadyship Donating Member (379 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-09-05 12:10 AM
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257. threat to national security
Yes, now that Bush is through with her son, she's no good to him. Yeah one grieving, courageous woman is a threat to national security. The real threat is Bush himself and his cronies. Filthy filthy man. I seriously doubt that he's going to get away with this stunt. Even the blind can see how disgusting this is. I think this shows just how scared he is. He preaches life, patriotism and apple pie and motherhood, but he's persecuting one grieving woman with more guts than he has in his little finger. I think this will backfire on him.
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Kixel Donating Member (512 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-09-05 08:22 AM
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268. Why isn't she a threat until Thursday?
If they can seriously consider her a threat to Homeland Security, why does she have to wait until Thursday to be arrested? Logically, is their anyway they can defend that? I know logic and the Bush administration don't go hand and hand, but doesn't this seem to be a huge PR mess waiting to happen? How many more of those can this administration weather?
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Tesla Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-09-05 08:30 AM
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269. He's having a party, so they only want supporters
going down the road as the people arrive.
Can't have any protesters, or worse ,GOLD STAR FAMILIES!!!
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fugwb Donating Member (35 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-09-05 11:10 AM
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275. I wouldn't doubt if these evil shits could get another London
bombing to happen on Thursday. It seems their corruption know no bounds. ok where's my tin hat....
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SalmonChantedEvening Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-09-05 08:21 PM
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290. More cowardice from the Boy King.
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brainshrub Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-09-05 12:16 PM
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280. Sooner of later, they have to put their foot down somewhere.
And when they do, people who beleive in democracy will be able to fight back.
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steve2470 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-09-05 05:22 PM
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281. kick nt
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-09-05 08:50 PM
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VegasWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-09-05 08:55 PM
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294. Time for Brain to get out the tanks! nt
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Barkley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-09-05 09:45 PM
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297. Its time for a stage Orange Alert!
Or at least another OBL tape.

Bush might declare Sheehan an enemy combatant.
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-09-05 10:07 PM
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301. Won't that make America proud, arresting a slain soldiers mother.
Maybe this will show America what heartless bastards these fuckers are.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 06:59 AM
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jamesinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 07:08 AM
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304. I to am waiting
Edited on Thu Aug-11-05 07:08 AM by jamesinca
I want to see how this goes today, the suspense is almost to much. Bush has painted himself into a corner. I bet he thought she would just leave when the threat was made.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 07:15 AM
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Evergreen Emerald Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 07:30 AM
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306. You got it backwards
* is the one who manipulates the press. He is the one who lies and cheats and orders innocent American sons and daughters to their deaths for his lies.

It appears that you have a problem with what she is doing. It appears that you do not believe her sincerity. Do you believe in *'s sincerity?

So far, she has done nothing stupid. She is a patriot.
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Vickers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 08:05 AM
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308. A lot more people have died since she met him.
Also, maybe she has been doing some research and feels the need to take action. Maybe she feels so strongly about the "war" or "struggle" or "unpleasantness" or whatever the fuck the neo-con traitors are calling it now that she is compelled to action.

Activists don't spring fully-formed from the ground. Only Gawd can do that kinda shit.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 08:08 AM
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Vickers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 08:11 AM
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311. That's what you're worried about? Holy shit, with all the fucking madness
in the world, you are worried if Cindy Sheehan is trying to get RICH off of this?!?!?!?!

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Write your congresscritters, Sheehan is ripping us all off!

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 08:13 AM
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312. who the fuck cares if she does
if i had it i'd send cindy a million dollars just for having the balls that apparently very few of our elected officials have to try to stop this illegal invasion of a sovereign nation (make that nations. i hear the citizens of afghanistan aren't exactly thrilled with our rule either.)
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Theres-a Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 08:31 AM
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315. Please
Edited on Thu Aug-11-05 08:35 AM by there-s a
Cindy is voluntary contributions
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Theres-a Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 08:33 AM
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316. I wonder if Commandercuckoobananas can give
An account of all that Halliburton spending he's been doing with my tax money.
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PunkPop Donating Member (847 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 08:46 AM
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318. Oh joy. Another "watchdog" on the trail of those evil activist profiteers!
Did scamdy.com get shutdown or something?

I'm sure the peacehouse is setting up offshore accounts as we speak. What are you doing wasting time on this messageboard. You could be ferreting out this massive scam on the people!
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 08:57 AM
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321. Why don't you give us a complete accounting of why you're....
...on this board, and how much you're being paid to be here?
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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 08:11 AM
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310. Once again its all about no accountability
If you, Gods forbid, agree with anything shrub does once then you've declared him Emperor God forever and must never question his judgement. Kerry died because of a flip flop on the war because when he supported it not all the information was in. His bad. Same case with Cindy Sheehan. What's George's famous quote again? Fool me once shame on you. then babble babble babble...won't get fooled again? No the people won't get fooled again GW and they're waking up by the thousands.
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Puglover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 08:47 AM
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319. For not being able to "stand" Bunnypants
Edited on Thu Aug-11-05 08:52 AM by Puglover
You appear to be the only person I've seen on this board to refer to him as "The President."
As to her 1st meeting with "the President" she gives a detailed account of how "the President" was jocular, referring to her as "Mom" and vacuous insofar as any sincerity was concerned. I suggest you read about it and then perhaps you'll see why she desires a real meeting rather than the farce that was conducted at the White House.

edit add last paragraph
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Puglover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 08:55 AM
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320. Btw the whole assertion that
she praised the Chimp after the first meeting is a very big Right Wing talking point. Is that where you get all your facts? Just asking.
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 09:03 AM
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325. After the Coup of December 2000, exactly what "office" does....
...Herr Busch hold, and why do you think that "office" deserves respect?

You've been badly busted in this thread...go turn in your Junior NeoCon badge.
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PunkPop Donating Member (847 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 09:11 AM
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326. Bullshit.
My respect, or lack thereof, is reserved for people not "offices".
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Puglover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 09:17 AM
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327. Please point out
where I said that it was a quote from you. My point, if it eluded you was that assertion is a RW talking point. What the woman said after the 1st meeting is irrelevant. People change their minds all the time. That is unless they are goose stepping fascists like the criminals that are currently squatting the the peoples WH.
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 09:00 AM
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323. The woman lost her son because of the lies told by Herr Busch....
...you should be DEEPLY ashamed of yourself for having the nerve to question what she's doing and why she's doing it.

You're a real jerk, IMHO.
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Cessna Invesco Palin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 08:45 AM
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317. I find it interesting...
...that nobody's bothered to simply ask her who called her to inform her of this fact. It certainly sounds like a harassment phone call to me. The police don't call you ahead of time to tell you they're going to arrest you. They just... arrest you.

Probably just some stupid freeper who found her phone number, nothing more.
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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 09:02 AM
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324. I thought I heard her say it was a Crawford city official
n/t
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