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AlGore-08.com Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 06:44 PM
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Guardian: British Police Flood Trains and Buses
http://www.guardian.co.uk/worldlatest/story/0,1280,-517...

Thursday July 28, 2005 11:01 PM

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By DANICA KIRKA

Associated Press Writer

LONDON (AP)- The police chief warned deadly terror cells could strike any time as thousands of officers flooded the transit system, made more arrests and grilled suspects Thursday in their biggest investigation ever. Exhausted police faced their greatest challenge since World War II.

With sleeper cells still thought to be active, it's ``a race against time,'' said Metropolitan Police Commissioner Sir Ian Blair.

Police nabbed a terror suspect linked to the deadly July 7 bombings after he crossed into Zambia from Zimbabwe, a Zambian official said. Authorities also arrested nine new suspects in Britain and kept up interrogations of a captured bomber from the July 21 attacks.

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merwin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 07:01 PM
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1. They turned into a police state even quicker than we did.
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Anarcho-Socialist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 07:07 PM
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2. 1 person shot and Britain is suddenly a police state
You exaggerate methinks.
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MisterP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 07:08 PM
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3. I think Merwin's referring to the flooding
Edited on Thu Jul-28-05 07:09 PM by MisterP
(though the invulnerability the police enjoy helps a bit too)
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Anarcho-Socialist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 07:15 PM
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5. I think the police/military authorities
in Britain have less power than their American equivalents. We don't have a Guantanamo Bay or anything that can touch the PATRIOT Act for violating civil liberties. Although we're ever edging towards authoritarianism.

I don't think we'll be seeing police being as trigger-happy as they were last week since this has already cost them dearly in terms of PR. Having lots of police on the streets of London holding enquiries doesn't equal a police state. "Flooding" in the article seems to be a lazy metaphor.
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Tom Bombadil Donating Member (175 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 07:12 PM
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4. Police State!! You must be joking
British Police are about the most tolerant/softest in all of Europe. 95% of them don't even carry guns.

What do you suggest they do when 3 would be suicide bombers are still at large and countless other extremists are also out there plotting similar atrocities.
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merwin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 08:18 PM
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9. But THOUSANDS of police flooding onto the transit system at once?
Maybe a little investigation should be done before they send thousands of police all at once to hunt and grab people.

Here's a bit of a parallel... would you support 150 police going to your kid's high school looking for somebody doing something wrong? Not anybody specific... just SOMEBODY doing SOMETHING.

Even if they are friendly, still sounds like a police state to me.

Remember that the new policy is shoot to kill. That's their official statement.

That's not like the London I knew a couple years ago. I guess i'm just using pre-July 7th thinking.
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DS1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 08:36 PM
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11. How about the most logical step, and cover both the investigation
AND try to promote public safety at the same time. You seem to think you can only do one or the other, which is absurd.
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merwin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 09:09 PM
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12. They can do both. However, going from probably about 100 to
thousands in ONE DAY doesn't tell me that they're promoting public safety. That's a massive raid on nobody in general.
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rman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 09:14 PM
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13. As of recently it's "guilty and executed until proven innocent".
Looks like British Police are not tolerant any more.

It could be argued that it's necessary (though personally i don't think it is) - but now way this can be called "tolerant".
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Nostradamus Donating Member (124 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 07:15 PM
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6. It's been a police state for hundreds of years, especially in eire
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Anarcho-Socialist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 07:17 PM
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7. Northern Ireland used to be a police state
Edited on Thu Jul-28-05 07:19 PM by Anarcho-Socialist
But Great Britain hasn't been a "police state".

The country of Eire was never a police state. At least not to my knowledge.
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 07:57 PM
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8. Translation: UK police have no clue what to do, so
they plan to grit their teeth and look busy;
and incidentally to scare the bejeezus out of the
public so it won't think very hard about the lousy
protection they are getting from their "security"
services.
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DS1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 08:34 PM
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10. That sounds kind of cruel, flooding the tube and all that
How are people supposed to breathe? :silly:
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