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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 07:58 AM
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Warning over bomb pictures leak
Last Updated: Thursday, 28 July, 2005, 11:59 GMT 12:59 UK

Warning over bomb pictures leak

Evidence on the London bombings leaked in America could harm UK-US relations, a leading US politician has warned.
The warning from the chairman of the House of Representatives' Intelligence Committee follows the broadcast of pictures obtained by a US TV network.

Pete Hoekstra said the images of a wrecked Tube carriage and a bomb hoard shown by ABC could cause suspicions.

"We can't be looking over each other's shoulder wondering who is leaking whose information," Mr Hoekstra said.

America's relationship with the UK could be damaged if further information emerged which the British police were trying to keep under wraps, the congressman added.

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KG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 08:01 AM
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1. can't be letting the truth out. that just wouldn't do.
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Binka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 08:10 AM
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3. Must. Not. Tell. Truth.
Wouldn't be prudent. :silly: Fuckwittage.
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Pert_UK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 08:26 AM
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Please see post 4. n/t
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Binka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 08:38 AM
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10. I Think Scotland Yard Is Obfuscating
I honestly believe Tony had his own little Reichstag fire. The murder of the Brazilian sort of iced it for me.
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Pert_UK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 08:26 AM
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5. Please see post 4. n/t
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woodsprite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 08:03 AM
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2. You lie down with dogs, you get up with fleas...
and this WHOLE administration has fleas.
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Pert_UK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 08:25 AM
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4. I just don't get the reactions on DU at the moment......
Confidential pictures taken by police officers as part of an ongoing investigation in terrorist bombings have been leaked to the American press.

The first 2 reactions to this story are about the British government trying to conceal the truth.....

:wtf: :wtf: :wtf: :wtf: :wtf: :wtf: :wtf: :wtf: :wtf: :wtf: :wtf:

It's not about "concealing the truth", it's about maintaining fucking SECURITY and CONFIDENTIALITY and being able to have control over WHICH bits of a TOP SECRET investigation are made public, and WHEN those bits get released.

I can understand the paranoia regarding Bush and his band of merry men, and I can understand suspicion of our twattish PM Blair. However, this conspiracy theory madness is getting out of control. The release of these pictures MAY seem harmless enough, but who knows what might get leaked next?

Aside from anything else, why would keeping these pictures confidential = hiding the truth? It doesn't hide the "truth", it hides the total horror of what happened on board those trains, and although you might thinnk you have some kind of "right" to see every tiny gory detail of what happenend in the bombings, I'm afraid it ain't so. There is no "truth" being hidden here.

To function effectively ANY investigation will require a certain level of confidentiality, and I'm sure you can't name me ONE investigation that has put ALL its evidence into the public gaze from day 1. If the police can't keep a lid on their own photos during such a high-profile investigation how the fuck are they supposed to maintain secrecy and confidentiality ever - TOO RIGHT they're angry.

Essentially, it seems that someone from the US networks has paid someone on the investigation for photos - this isn't a search for "truth", it's the search for a gory scoop to sell more papers.

Seriously, guys, it's not ALWAYS a conspiracy to deceive the public.....

/posted by Special Agent 4329 of the British Special Ops Cyber Unit....

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Robb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 08:26 AM
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6. "Seriously, guys, it's not ALWAYS a conspiracy to deceive the public..."
They got to you, didn't they?!? You're one of THEM!! :D
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Pert_UK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 08:27 AM
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7. reading!
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Robb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 08:28 AM
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8. I'm a trained professional
Professional what, we won't go into. :hi:
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skids Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 09:22 AM
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11. Thanks for saying it.
At some point, people have to back off and realize that we cannot apply a double standard here. There are some cases where law enforcement/intelligence needs to keep a secret, or even temporarily publish misinformation, to help them in their investigation. This isn't a matter of whether the leak benefits the right or left, corporations or the worker, or whatnot. It's a matter of whether the information really needed to be embargoed, and if it did, who put their own needs for fame, fortune, or political power in front of the public good by leaking/publishing it.

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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 08:29 AM
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9. US-UK relations are being wrecked because London bombers are tied to US
Edited on Thu Jul-28-05 08:41 AM by leveymg
intelligence. Last year, DHS interfered with British and Pakistani counter-terrorism operations, outing an important informant. Not only was this apparently timed to advance Bush Administration partisan political interests, U.S. intelligence also failed to warn UK about details of the tube bomb plot.

Furthermore, there were at least two U.S. double-agents involved in planning the Tube bombing operation and providing explosives to al-Qaeda cells in London.

You need to read three articles:

1) "Tick, Tick Boom" (DHS Failed to Warn UK About Tube Bomb Plot) ...

In the wake of 7/7, the Brits are livid over their government's intelligence failures. Just wait until they hear about ours.

by John Aravosis


The British public's ire over the bombings only increased after it was discovered that police had one of the suspects in custody months ago, but released him after determining he posed no threat. No doubt the Brits will be even more pissed once they realize the Bush administration twice botched efforts that could have helped prevent the attack. The first screw up was back in 2002. According to the Seattle Times, the US had in its custody at that time Haroon Aswat, a man federal prosecutors believe helped set up a terrorist training camp in Bly, Oregon in late 1999. For reasons no one can quite figure out, John Ashcroft's Justice Department blocked efforts by its own Seattle-based prosecutors to seek a grand-jury indictment of Aswat. Why is that relevant? Aswat has now been tied to the London bombings (the Brits think he was in cell phone contact with at least two of the bombers in the days preceding the attack).

The second screw up is even more astounding.

Last summer, just after the Democratic convention, then-Secretary of Homeland Security Tom Ridge issued another of his many Code Orange terror alerts. The secretary-who-cried-terrorist was facing increasing criticism for politicizing the terror warnings in the months before the presidential election, so this time he did something different. Secretary Ridge gave the public details, and lots of `em. "Reports indicate that Al Qaeda is targeting several specific buildings," Ridge said at an August 1, 2004 press conference, "including the International Monetary Fund and World Bank in the District of Columbia; Prudential Financial in Northern New Jersey; and Citigroup buildings and the New York Stock Exchange in New York." Those details were enough for the New York Times, in less than twenty-four hours, to uncover and break the rest of the story. The Times reported on August 2 that US officials had announced the terror alert after receiving hard evidence that Al Qaeda was targeting New York and DC financial centers. The evidence came from the laptop computer of Muhammad Naeem Noor Khan, the Times said, an Al Qaeda operative arrested in Pakistan several weeks prior who was now working as a US mole inside Al Qaeda. That's when all hell broke loose.

While it remains unclear who spilled Khan's name--the Americans blame the Pakistanis, and vice versa--the Times story created a panic in English and Pakistani law enforcement circles. Khan's Al Qaeda buddies in both countries, upon learning that their friend was a double agent, quickly went into hiding. Both British and Pakistani officials were "furious" with the Americans for helping to unmask their spy, according to the New York Daily News, and the Brits had to launch a series of high-speed chases to catch Khan's fleeing cabal. A senior Pakistani official told the Associated Press "this intelligence leak jeopardized our plan and some Al Qaeda suspects ran away."

Now back to 7/7.

There was an important piece of information not revealed last August by either Tom Ridge or the Times. As ABC News reported after the London bombing, Khan's laptop not only contained information about US financial centers, but also evidence that Al Qaeda was planning to target the London Tube. ABC, of course, forgot the clincher: How Bush's leaky goon squad sabotaged a multinational operation to thwart what would ultimately become the successful London bombings of July 7, 2005.


2) Effort here to charge London suspect was blocked ...

By Hal Bernton and David Heath

Seattle Times staff reporters

The Justice Department blocked efforts by its prosecutors in Seattle in 2002 to bring criminal charges against Haroon Aswat, according to federal law-enforcement officials who were involved in the case.
British authorities suspect Aswat of taking part in the July 7 London bombings, which killed 56 and prompted an intense worldwide manhunt for him.

But long before he surfaced as a suspect there, federal prosecutors in Seattle wanted to seek a grand-jury indictment for his involvement in a failed attempt to set up a terrorist-training camp in Bly, Ore., in late 1999. In early 2000, Aswat lived for a couple of months in central Seattle at the Dar-us-Salaam mosque.


"It was really frustrating," said a former Justice Department official involved in the case. "Guys like that, you just want to sweep them up off the street."


At the time, however, federal prosecutors chose not to indict Aswat for reasons that are not clear. Asked why Aswat wasn't indicted, a federal official in Seattle replied, "That's a great question."

The Seattle Time story, updated version here: ...

3) Pakistani American Aiding London Probe
Man in U.S. Custody Has Ties to Al Qaeda ...

By Dan Eggen
Washington Post Staff Writer
Monday, July 25, 2005; Page A14

It is safe to assume that most people would not react to the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks in quite the same way as Mohammed Junaid Babar.


Thus began the strange jihadist odyssey of Babar, 30, a naturalized U.S. citizen and Yankees fan who said he gave up a $70,000-a-year job as a computer programmer to join al Qaeda operatives in plotting attacks against U.S. soldiers and targets in Britain.

Now in U.S. custody . . . SNIP

The revelation that Babar is linked to the July 7 London attacks, which killed at least 56 including the four suicide bombers, is only the latest connection to emerge between the grandson of Pakistani immigrants and al Qaeda.

In addition to his connection to the London bombers, Babar has admitted in court proceedings to supplying bomb-making materials to a Pakistani cell in the United Kingdom that had plotted to blow up restaurants, pubs and train stations there. (When the cell was broken up in 2004, British authorities discovered more than 1,000 pounds of ammonium nitrate fertilizer, the same material used in the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing.) Furthermore, Babar said in federal court in Manhattan during a plea hearing last summer that he spent much of 2003 and early 2004 in the Waziristan province of Pakistan, supplying money and materials -- including night-vision goggles, sleeping bags and other items -- to "a high-ranking al Qaeda official" for use in the fight against U.S. and Northern Alliance forces across the border in Afghanistan. He also admitted to setting up a jihad training camp in the region, a court transcript shows.

Babar also is believed to have links to Issa al-Hindi, the operative involved in surveillance of financial buildings in the United States before the Sept. 11 attacks.


Although his arrest and prosecution last year in U.S. District Court for the Southern District of New York went largely unnoticed, U.S. counterterrorism and law enforcement officials say they have long recognized Babar's importance as a link to major al Qaeda players.


U.S. counterterrorism officials said Babar first hit their radar screen in late 2001, after the incendiary comments he made to ITN were broadcast. But it was not until April 2004, after Babar had returned to New York and was put under surveillance by the FBI, that he was arrested. Babar has told authorities that he recognized Khan, one of the London bombers, as a person he met in Pakistan and that he accompanied him to a jihad camp in the area, sources said. Although Babar could face as many as 70 years in prison, he is likely to receive a lesser sentence for cooperating with U.S. authorities, and a sentencing date has not been scheduled, officials said.


These revelations show how deeply entwined US intelligence operatives have become in the London cells. It also shows that MI-5 and DHS have a long way to go before they learn how to prevent international terrorist attacks. Obviously, allowing double-agents to run around the world isn't the way to do things. If I were a British MP, I would demand answers of Mr. Blair. If I were Mr. Blair, I might recall the Ambassador from Washington.

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