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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-05 11:15 PM
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WP:Prosecutor In CIA Leak Case Casting A Wide Net-WH's blaming CIA re SOTU
Edited on Tue Jul-26-05 11:53 PM by Pirate Smile
Prosecutor In CIA Leak Case Casting A Wide Net
White House Effort To Discredit Critic Examined in Detail

By Walter Pincus and Jim VandeHei
Washington Post Staff Writers
Wednesday, July 27, 2005; Page A01

The special prosecutor in the CIA leak probe has interviewed a wider range of administration officials than was previously known, part of an effort to determine whether anyone broke laws during a White House effort two years ago to discredit allegations that President Bush used faulty intelligence to justify the Iraq war, according to several officials familiar with the case.

Prosecutors have questioned former CIA director George J. Tenet and deputy director John E. McLaughlin, former CIA spokesman Bill Harlow, State Department officials, and even a stranger who approached columnist Robert D. Novak on the street.

In doing so, special prosecutor Patrick J. Fitzgerald has asked not only about how CIA operative Valerie Plame's name was leaked but also how the administration went about shifting responsibility from the White House to the CIA for having included 16 words in the 2003 State of the Union address about Iraqi efforts to acquire uranium from Africa.


-snip-
Behind the scenes, the White House responded with twin attacks: one on Wilson and the other on the CIA, which it wanted to take the blame for allowing the 16 words to remain in Bush's speech. As part of this effort, then-deputy national security adviser Stephen J. Hadley spoke with Tenet during the week about clearing up CIA responsibility for the 16 words, even though both knew the agency did not think Iraq was seeking uranium from Niger, according to a person familiar with the conversation. Tenet was interviewed by prosecutors, but it is not clear whether he appeared before the grand jury, a former CIA official said.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/20...
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-05 11:20 PM
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1. This is new:
Edited on Tue Jul-26-05 11:28 PM by Pirate Smile
"One reason for the confusion about Plame's role is that she had arranged a trip for him to Niger three years earlier on an unrelated matter, CIA officials told The Washington Post."

and check this out:

"In a strange twist in the investigation, the grand jury -- acting on a tip from Wilson -- has questioned a person who approached Novak on Pennsylvania Avenue on July 8, 2003, six days before his column appeared in The Post and other publications, Wilson said in an interview. The person, whom Wilson declined to identify to The Post, asked Novak about the "yellow cake" uranium matter and then about Wilson, Wilson said. He first revealed that conversation in a book he wrote last year. In the book, he said he tried to reach Novak on July 8, and they finally connected on July 10. In that conversation, Wilson said he did not confirm his wife worked for the CIA but that Novak told him he had obtained the information from a "CIA source."'

More - this info is coming from the CIA.

"Harlow, the former CIA spokesman, said in an interview yesterday that he testified last year before a grand jury about conversations he had with Novak at least three days before the column was published. He said he warned Novak, in the strongest terms he was permitted to use without revealing classified information, that Wilson's wife had not authorized the mission and that if he did write about it, her name should not be revealed.

Harlow said that after Novak's call, he checked Plame's status and confirmed that she was an undercover operative. He said he called Novak back to repeat that the story Novak had related to him was wrong and that Plame's name should not be used. But he did not tell Novak directly that she was undercover because that was classified information."
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Dhalgren Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-05 11:35 PM
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3. I am becoming light-headed! This is getting huge!
Man, man, man! This is blowing up in all these fascists' faces. Let's just hope Our Great Leader doesn't call out his mercs...
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burrowowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-05 11:51 PM
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12. The National Guard is in Irak
unless he flies them home soon, will be difficult to enforce martial law!
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sojourner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 12:31 AM
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27. I think that's why more of the regular military have been pulled (or are
being pulled) stateside...remember the bit about an expanded domestic role for the military?
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Trevelyan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 08:02 AM
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69. I don't doubt that what you say is true but would like to see
a link if you have it. On Conyers' Blog someone who posted TPM Cafe and other links to VICE President Cheney's asking for the plans to begin nuclear war, began disappearing fast.

Someone on DU who started a thread saying she was freaking out because she had read the same thing, posted links and while I was reading the Daily Kos comments on the fact that Cheney seems to be ready to declare war on Iran WITHOUT going to the President - The Vice President has no war powers and several people think he has gone insane - I was booted off the Internet while reading the comments with a note that there was an AOL error and had to close.

Other people on Conyers blog have had problems and have had problems accessing his blog and for a space of 2 or 3 hours no one posted.

The person who was keeping the TIMELINE on the Downing Street Memos for Conyers with many links and help from a number of bloggers was deleted and the person did not have all the information in his backup. Said he wrote a more secure program and is starting all over again and asked if anyone had kept the DSM TIMELINE on their cached pages to help him out.

This was on the first thread on Conyers blog devoted to those who attended or hosted a DSM House Party and the Timeline person said he was in Prague.

Please go to Conyers' blog and some of the links to DSM with photos of the Rallies and parties on the DSM on July 23, 2005. You can post below the first two threads which are for the DSM parties.

If more people do not help Conyers and the AfterDowningStreet blogs by posting and giving hits to their sites don't expect those in the CIA, FBI, Pentagon and others in the Oligarchy to bring down this insane Regime.


http://www.conyersblog.us /

http://www.veteransforcommonsense.org /

Protect our Whistleblowers go to Sibel Edmond's JUST A CITIZEN.com site.
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sojourner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 09:42 AM
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82. links to news re: expanded domestic role for US military
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sojourner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 10:13 AM
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85. increasing size of US-based military component
unsure of where I got the idea that troops had been brought back to US bases....but this PNAC document clearly states the plan to raise the number of US-based troops from the (then) current 23 divisions to 27 divisions in FULL COMBAT READINESS. See page 37.

http://www.newamericancentury.org/RebuildingAmericasDef...

Adding two and two I get that they need more troops at home, in a state of constant alert, and with training that would also allow for domestic operations.
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sam sarrha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-31-05 05:40 PM
Response to Reply #3
125. Cheney will be pimp'n the whole Cabinet ass's for cigarettes in prison
Edited on Sun Jul-31-05 05:41 PM by sam sarrha
we all need to pray for justice.. i am a Buddhist and i am praying my ass off
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thecrow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-05 11:47 PM
Response to Reply #1
9. I see the link now!!!!
Edited on Tue Jul-26-05 11:48 PM by thecrow
but wow!
I am having fantasies of seeing novak in a jump suit and eating his dinner off a tin tray in solitary :)
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writes2000 Donating Member (481 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 12:20 AM
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20. Novak is an Embarassment. The World's biggest FOOL!
The CIA is warning you not to use her name over and over again and what does the asshole do? Use her name!
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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 03:15 AM
Response to Reply #20
53. AND called him on the nonsense re: sending Wilson to Niger
Novak knew it was all BS, and he lied and committed treason anyway. Why, again, is this guy still employed?
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 04:46 AM
Response to Reply #20
62. He (Novak) was probably pressured by Rove to use her name..
I'd bet money on it.... No no Bob.. Go ahead and use her name. It's okay. Those CIA guys don't kknow what they're talking about. :eyes:
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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 01:28 AM
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46. WOW Novak squeeled for his life OMG!!! He was so BAD!!!
This just shows Novak's maliciousness!!!
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The Doctor. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 11:04 AM
Response to Reply #1
101. So either Novak is about to go down VERY hard or...
He probably rolled on everyone and their mother to save his own traitorous ass.

Fitzgerald had better not get on any small planes.
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dave29 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-05 11:27 PM
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2. Holy Jebus
!
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jsamuel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-05 11:38 PM
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4. THIS IS HUUUUUUGGGGEEE, CONNECTING TO DSM ALL THE WAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 12:14 AM
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17. Now Sen. Roberts is trying to do what he can to continue BushCo's
Edited on Wed Jul-27-05 12:18 AM by Pirate Smile
War on the CIA.

From the Talking Points Memo:

"Good catch by Kos.

Sen. Roberts doesn't have time to investigate the manipulation of prewar intelligence, the Niger forgeries or the Plame disclosure.

But he does have time to investigate how the CIA uses 'cover' in its clandestine operations. And as part of his new exercise in water-carrying he will also investigate Patrick Fitzgerald's criminal probe.

Note the specifics: I didn't say he'll be investigating what Fitzgerald's investigating; he's apparently found time to investigate the Fitzgerald probe itself. Roberts' spokesperson Sarah Little told Reuters that his "committee would also review the probe of special prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald, who has been investigating the Plame case for nearly two years."

Can any Senate Democrat not see now that Sen. Roberts only use for his committee is as a tool to defend the political interests of the White House? And will anybody deny that the decision to investigate Fitzgerald comes down on the orders of the White House? "

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/week_2005_07_...
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 07:41 AM
Response to Reply #17
67. Roberts and the rest of the repukes are treasonous bastards
and have endangered our national security for politics!
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Burried News Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 02:10 PM
Response to Reply #17
112. Roberts has sabotaged the Intelligence Committee
and chosen Elephant over Eagle.

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lancdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 10:16 AM
Response to Reply #4
87. Yes
This is all about Bushco's lies to get us into war.
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stubtoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 10:35 AM
Response to Reply #4
94. DUers, take a moment ...
and congratulate yourselves for working so hard to keep the DSM alive.
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skids Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-05 11:39 PM
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5. Recommend this post.
Jesus you people all complain about a DLC flamefest but it's been almost an hour since this broke you can't spare one mouseclick to put one of the three threads about it onto the greatest page?

:grr:


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jsamuel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-05 11:42 PM
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lol, i can't concentrate on more than one thing at a time :P
Edited on Tue Jul-26-05 11:42 PM by jsamuel
but I am working on it...

recomended.
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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-05 11:42 PM
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6. Third recommendation right here, skids! nt
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AuntiBush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 12:18 AM
Response to Reply #5
19. Sparing a Mouse Click Right Now - KICKED!
Repeating another poster, this is getting HUGE & seems to be picking-up major speed. Please... I pray!
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 04:48 AM
Response to Reply #5
63. Done!
:thumbsup:
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jsamuel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-05 11:43 PM
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7. FRONT PAGE!
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-05 11:45 PM
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8. It's spelled F-R-A-U-D ... and conspiracy to commit same.
It's a fraud against the People of the United States ... and war crimes. It's a gigantic criminal conspiracy to create a fraudulent rationale for the invasion and occupation of a sovereign nation. There is no dungeon too deep or too dark for these criminals.
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Pithy Cherub Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 12:28 AM
Response to Reply #8
26. A week ago, just wondering, I looked at the fraud statute
Edited on Wed Jul-27-05 12:31 AM by Pithy Cherub
with regard to computer/electronic equipment and its distribution of content and whether it may be relevant. My interest was around how the original document was created and wondered whether the Wilson write up had initially been on a classified computer. It is VERY clear there may be some things that may cause the White House to swallow a bit harder.

http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode18/usc_se...
(a) Whoever
(1) having knowingly accessed a computer without authorization or exceeding authorized access, and by means of such conduct having obtained information that has been determined by the United States Government pursuant to an Executive order or statute to require protection against unauthorized disclosure for reasons of national defense or foreign relations, or any restricted data, as defined in paragraph y. of section 11 of the Atomic Energy Act of 1954, with reason to believe that such information so obtained could be used to the injury of the United States, or to the advantage of any foreign nation willfully communicates, delivers, transmits, or causes to be communicated, delivered, or transmitted, or attempts to communicate, deliver, transmit or cause to be communicated, delivered, or transmitted the same to any person not entitled to receive it, or willfully retains the same and fails to deliver it to the officer or employee of the United States entitled to receive it; ...

Have no idea what charges the Special Prosecutor might finally decide on, but I am all for the ones with the biggest penalties.
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Corgigal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-05 11:49 PM
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10. Well kiddies the WH is trying to lay blame
on then Deputy Secretary of State Richard L. Armitage for the Memo.

I read the long post yesterday on this man and you would think DU already has the playbook the White House is using. I doubt Armitage is going to allow them to hit him without his own evidence as backup.

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Pachamama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 03:39 AM
Response to Reply #10
56. Neo-cons & Bushies are notorious for turning on members & eating their own
:freak:
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AngryWhiteLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-05 11:50 PM
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11. Shit in one place long enough and you are bound to step in it eventually.
Such sweet poetic justice that Shrub and his evil empire will fall by its own hand.

JB
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robertpaulsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 12:16 PM
Response to Reply #11
105. LOL! And when your top advisor is named "Turd Blossom"...
you not only step in shit, you live with it on a daily basis!

:rofl:
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Verve Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-05 11:56 PM
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13. So when are these indictments coming?
Anyone care to take a guess?
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kurtyboy Donating Member (968 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 12:31 AM
Response to Reply #13
28. The hoped-for indictments may have an expiration date---
They may never come, alas.

I see an out-of-control, working without-congressional-oversight, arrogant, self-serving administration weighing the possiblities. In my humble opinion, they will balk at the indictments, claim national-security interests and executive immunity, and immerse this republic into a worse Consitutional crisis than the Civil War.

They cannot comply with the Justice Department, because any compliance at all will tumble the house-of-cards they live in. They know it. We know it. Prepare for strife...

A curse shall light upon the limbs of men;
Domestic fury and fierce civil strife
Shall cumber all the parts of Italy;
Blood and destruction shall be so in use
And dreadful objects so familiar
That mothers shall but smile when they behold
Their infants quarter'd with the hands of war;
All pity choked with custom of fell deeds:
And Caesar's spirit, ranging for revenge,
With Ate by his side come hot from hell,
Shall in these confines with a monarch's voice
Cry 'Havoc,' and let slip the dogs of war;
That this foul deed shall smell above the earth
With carrion men, groaning for burial.


Just saying....
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jsamuel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 12:43 AM
Response to Reply #28
38. your icon had a dream, but you seem to have a nightmare
Edited on Wed Jul-27-05 12:43 AM by jsamuel
have a little more hope :)
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kurtyboy Donating Member (968 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 01:02 AM
Response to Reply #38
41. I wish I could, bro,
I wish I could. I have spent too many years in the belly-of-the-Bush-beast to expect a good outcome. These fuckers are pure evil, and I know it from personal experience.

As K. Rove says, "I've already told you too much."
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Trevelyan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 08:23 AM
Response to Reply #38
71. The Oligarch seems to be in Civil War mode according to a
former reporter for CloakandDagger.de. He was roughed up and arrested by the police (I think Canadian) after he had a radio show or an article on Cloak and Dagger though his family is very prominent and he said that he seemed to have hit the glass ceiling on what even left wing sites are allowed to inform people of - did not read the article and since he has been fired is not on Cloak and Dagger.de which is still very interesting.

By Oligarchy, I thought he meant Bilderberg whom I have read is against the Iranian war but who knows. The ruling classes could also include the pissed off CIA, the FBI and the Pentagon who keep saying in the MSM that Bush Regime is breaking the best fighting force in the world.

If they know that a number of Americans are REALLY against the atrocities of Bushco, someone just may act if only to save their own lives and their families from nuclear war.

Please support the Congresspersons who are stepping forward including the signers of Kerry's letter to investigate Gonzales for warning about one of scandals, Rovegate, I think when he was Special Counsel giving whoever a chance to shred documents. Think this was on Rawstory yesterday. Conyers has a lot of good links on his site and really needs more people posting, the same people are making a lot of the posts trying to show support for Conyers. Where is everybody??

Why wasn't the Conyers' Downing Street Memos parties and rallies reported or at least linked on the DU Homepage?

http://www.conyersblog.us /
http://www.veteransforcommonsense.org / - Very good petition online that you can sign for Impeachment with 6 page download with links of the treason and Crimes Against Humanity of the Bush Regime.

Also a petition against the torture. Please post in their new forums also. :think: :spank: :dilemma: :rant:
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Pachamama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 03:36 AM
Response to Reply #13
54. September...like the * admin said about their selling of the War on Iraq,
..."never launch a product in August"...

Why do I have this feeling that big big things are coming?

Can I dream? Can dreams come true?

If what I see unfolding as I connect the breadcrumbs is actually what I think, this would make H2Ogate look like childsplay and this could be the biggest case of high treason against the American people and gov't ever perpertrated....

whoa....
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dArKeR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 12:00 AM
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14. I want to believe in Miracles!
Edited on Wed Jul-27-05 12:01 AM by dArKeR


1. On October 3, 2003, President George W. Bush nominated Jim Comey to serve as Deputy Attorney General

2. College of William & Mary (B.S. with Honors 1982, Chemistry and Religion majors)
3. Mr. Comey oversaw numerous terrorism cases
4. Mr. Comey also created a specialized unit devoted to prosecuting international drug cartels.
5. he handled the Khobar Towers terrorist bombing case, arising out of the June 1996 attack on a U.S. military facility in Saudi Arabia in which 19 Airmen were killed.
6. Prior to joining the U.S. Attorney's office in Richmond in 1996, he was a partner at McGuireWoods, LLP specializing in criminal defense and commercial litigation.
7. Mr. Comey is married and has five children.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/government/comey-bio.html


Yesterday, the Justice Department tried to quell the growing outrage about the treatment of U.S. citizen Jose Padilla by cynically attempting to undermine public confidence in the American justice system. Deputy Attorney General James Comey told the media yesterday that if the government would have afforded Padilla the rights to which he is entitled as a U.S. citizen, he would "likely have ended up a free man," and people would have died when Padilla blew up an apartment building or detonated a "dirty bomb." Comey based that assertion on a series of unproven allegations that were gleaned from two years of interrogating Padilla without the presence of an attorney. Since June 2002, the Department of Defense has held Padilla as an "enemy combatant" on a naval brig in South Carolina. Padilla has not been charged with any crime and is cut off from the outside world. (Very recently, he has been permitted limited access to his attorney at the discretion of the Pentagon.) Federal courts have repeatedly ruled that the Bush administration's detention of Padilla is illegal. The U.S. Court of Appeals found that, "based on the text of the Constitution and the cases interpreting it, we reject that the President has inherent constitutional power to detain Padilla under the circumstances presented here." The court concluded that Padilla is "entitled to the constitutional protections extended to other citizens." The administration has appealed the case to the Supreme Court, where it is now pending.
http://www.americanprogress.org/site/pp.asp?c=biJRJ8OVF...



James B. Comey Jr., a former Manhattan prosecutor who was installed just three weeks ago as deputy attorney general, will oversee the investigation following Mr. Ashcroft's withdrawal. His first decision in that role was to name Patrick J. Fitzgerald, who is the United States attorney in Chicago and is a friend and former colleague of Mr. Comey's, as a special counsel who will direct the investigation.
http://nucnews.net/nucnews/2003nn/0312nn/031231nn.htm



Fitzgerald attended Amherst College and graduated from Harvard Law School in 1985. After practicing civil law, he became an Assistant United States Attorney in New York in 1988. He handled drug-trafficking cases and in 1993 helped prosecute John Gambino of the Gambino mafia family. In 1994, he became the prosecutor in the case against Sheikh Omar Abdel Rahman and 11 other individuals charged in the 1993 World Trade Center bombing.<3>
In 1996, Fitzgerald became the National Security Coordinator for the Office of the U.S. Attorney for the Southern District of New York. There, he served on a team of prosecutors investigating Osama bin Laden.<4> He served as chief counsel in prosecutions related to the 1998 bombings of U.S. embassies in Africa.<5>
Patrick Fitzgerald was nominated for his position as U.S. Attorney on September 19, 2001 on the recommendation of U.S. Senator Peter Fitzgerald (R-IL), and confirmed on October 24, 2001. Peter Fitzgerald and Patrick Fitzgerald are not related.<6>
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patrick_Fitzgerald



In conclusion, I don't like the smell of Comey. I don't trust him and he's friends with Fitzgerald. What goes around comes around. I only trust Howard Dean and Al Franken and Randi Rhodes. Assign one of them Special Prosecutor and I'll rest at night.

Are either of them friends with Van Harp?
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Verve Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 12:08 AM
Response to Reply #14
16. Interesting info you found darker..
"In 1996, Fitzgerald became the National Security Coordinator for the Office of the U.S. Attorney for the Southern District of New York. There, he served on a team of prosecutors investigating Osama bin Laden.<4> He served as chief counsel in prosecutions related to the 1998 bombings of U.S. embassies in Africa.<5>"

Knowing how immersed Fitzgerald was in Osama Bin Laden and Africa info, don't you think he might be a little irritated with an administration that distorts the truth on these two topics?
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dArKeR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 12:41 AM
Response to Reply #16
36. The part I feel uncomfortable with is his "drug" pursuits. I'm of the
Edited on Wed Jul-27-05 12:42 AM by dArKeR
opinion that drugs are allowed into the US by Bush Crime Family types.

Michael Ruppert as LA detective followed his drug cases to the CIA.

http://www.fromthewilderness.com /

Noriega. KMT/CIA in Taiwan were the biggest drug pushers to the States, Contras. Afghanistan.

What I have direct knowledge of is drugs all over the USA. I personally know that most local police could care less about information given to them concerning drugs. They don't even care to get your whole story. Every response I've seen is, "It's under investigation and we'll take care of it." I think the local police want to act but they've been told for decades now from the DEA, "We'll take care of it." Every time local police get onto something the DEA takes over and then nothing comes of it so the local police just give up.

If either of these guys are connected to Van Harp then there's no hope for an honest investigation.
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Verve Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 08:04 AM
Response to Reply #36
70. Good Point.
But I hope you're wrong. I'm crossing my fingers that Fitzgerald will do the right thing with his seemingly thorough investigation.
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dbeach Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 12:23 AM
Response to Reply #14
22. Fitzie is the man..
if he pals with comey..then he ain't..

I hear he won't take the dirty money..??

I Never met an Irishman who don't like a good fight..
AND THEIR WOMEN ARE LIKE EM..

4 Presidents with Irish ancestry have been murdered..
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 12:35 AM
Response to Reply #14
30. SCOTUS nominee Rogers was a contributor to Fitzgerald's Senate campaign
Just a bit of trivia I ran across last week. :shrug:
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raysr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 12:40 AM
Response to Reply #30
35. What about pardons
before convictions? This all sounds great to me but won't Bush do what Reagan did?
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dArKeR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 07:36 AM
Response to Reply #35
66. I thought about for 1/4 year. But what's different now is the Internet
I think there'd be a totally different type of revolt. As opposed to the Corporate Media Whores telling the nation what the people think about it.
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katusha Donating Member (592 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 01:27 AM
Response to Reply #30
45. are you sure that's not peter fizgerald senator from illinois(or was)
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 09:25 AM
Response to Reply #45
79. Good point! I forgot about that. (D'oh!)
I seem to recall there was some noise about Patrick Fitzgerald running, so I though it was him immediately. Wrong, I guess. I didn't check the candidate in detail. Oops! :banghead: :blush:
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Jane Austin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 03:00 AM
Response to Reply #30
52. Lest people be confused . . .
Fitzgerald the Prosecutor never ran for the Senate.

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lancdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 10:21 AM
Response to Reply #30
88. Fitzgerald ran for public office?
When?
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jsamuel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 10:30 AM
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93. different Fitz
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lancdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 12:03 PM
Response to Reply #93
104. Now I realize the poster meant Peter Fitzgerald
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mirandapriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 01:31 AM
Response to Reply #14
47. Yeah, I don't like that either.
John Kerry said that Fitzgerald is tied to the White House,even to John Ashcroft, in a way, and that he's not going to take anyone from that WH down.
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Lecky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 04:38 AM
Response to Reply #47
60. Did he?
Do you have a link by chance?
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lancdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 10:25 AM
Response to Reply #47
91. If that were true
he would've ended the investigation months ago.
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ktowntennesseedem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 03:04 PM
Response to Reply #91
117. Yeah, I can't imagine after all of this...
having Friz come out and declare they didn't find anything.

Of course, with the bunch that is now in power, NOTHING surprises me anymore!
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-31-05 05:57 PM
Response to Reply #91
126. And remember, there is a judge taking Fitz's work very seriously
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sattahipdeep Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 10:45 AM
Response to Reply #14
97. Information links? hmmmm do u see differences in these two
Patrick J. Fitzgerald began serving as the United States Attorney for the
Northern District of Illinois on September 1, 2001. Mr. Fitzgerald was initially
appointed on an interim basis by Attorney General John Ashcroft before being
nominated by President George W. Bush. The United States Senate confirmed his
nomination by unanimous consent on October 23, 2001, and President Bush signed
his commission on October 29, 2001.

Mr. Fitzgerald served on the Attorney General's Advisory Committee
from 2001-2005, and he remains Chair of that Committee's sub-committee on terrorism.
He is also a member of the President's Corporate Fraud Task Force.
In December 2003, he was named Special Counsel to investigate the alleged disclosure
of the identity of a purported employee of the Central Intelligence Agency.

http://www.usdoj.gov/usao/iln/aboutus/patrickjfizgerald...

Patrick Fitzgerald was nominated for his position as U.S. Attorney on September 19, 2001

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patrick_Fitzgerald

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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 12:03 AM
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15. Got my vote!


Peace.

www.missionnotaccomplished.us - How ever long it takes, the day must come when tens of millions of caring individuals peacefully but persistently defy the dictator, deny the corporatists their cash flow, and halt the evil being done in Iraq and in all the other places the Bu$h neoconster regime is destroying civilization and the environment in the name of "America."

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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 12:17 AM
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18. Well, if the CIA wants to get even, they just have to spill the beans
to the Grand Jury.

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Trevelyan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 08:40 AM
Response to Reply #18
72. DoJ is doing a lot of dirt to CIA on this according to article posted
today, think it was Huffington Blog and linked from Conyers' site.

http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2005/07/321960.shtml

This administration should be impeached for its Obstruction of Jusice in preventing the Truth about 911.

~~~To allow the White House counsel to review records before the prosecutors would see them is just about unheard of in the way cases are always prosecuted," said Sen. Charles Schumer, D-N.Y., speaking on NBC's Today show. "And the possibility of mischief, or worse than mischief, is very, very large."

Administration officials said the White House counsel's office may need up to two weeks to organize documents that some 2,000 employees are required to submit by 5 p.m. Tuesday.

http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/100903A.shtml

~~~~Please please please Rep. Conyers... Don't let them wiggle out of Treasongate or lying to start an illegal war!

And tell those sitting-on-the-fence democrats on the hill to jump off onto your (our) side! We need to take back this country, and restore balance!!

~~~~Representative Conyers,

Senator Roberts' latest ploy further exposes the White House's claim that there should be no second-guessing of Patrick Fitzgerald while his investigation is pending. The ruse is now the size of the proverbial figleaf. It also underscores the importance of keeping political pressure on the Republicans. Fitzpatrick lacks the autonomy independent counsel enjoyed under the enabling statute that has unfortunately lapsed.

For keeping this pressure up we thank you.

~~~~~BUSH YANKED SECURITY CLEARANCES TO 92 SENATORS IN OCT. '01

Wow, here's a enlightened observation from ThinkProgress.Org today, an illuminating refresher on an event that followed 9/11...

It was reported on 10/1/01 that Bush signed an executive order limiting access to classified intelligence only to 8 members of Congress the Speaker of the House, House Minority Leader, Senate Majority Leader, Senate Minority Leader, and chairmen and ranking members of the House and Senate intelligence committees.

What precipitated this course of action?

"Gannett News Service reported on 10/1/01 that Bush was restricting information because, 'The Washington Post reported last week that various lawmakers had been told there would be more terrorist attacks if the United States retaliated.'"

"SO AT THIS SLIGHTEST WHIFF OF EVIDENCE THAT INFORMATION WAS BEING LEAKED (BY SENATORS), PRESIDENT BUSH PULLED CLASSIFIED INTELLIGENCE ACCESS FOR 92 SENATORS. There was no ongoing criminal investigation nor was there evidence that all the members who had their access limited had leaked information. AND NOW HE REFUSES TO HOLD KARL ROVE AND SCOOTER LIBBY TO ANYWHERE NEAR THE SAME STANDARD, despite confirmation of their involvement in the leak of an undercover CIA agents identity."

~~~~Hmmm, anyone remember the Saturday Night Massacre?

Mr. Conyers,
I just don't know how you do it. You have so many irons in the fire and yet you do everything so well. What would our side do without you? You are the best!

~~~They will be HAPPY to have hearings Congressman.

That is, so long as it keeps you talking about Plames and Downing Streets and not about an illegal war and the coveting, lying, murdering, and stealing going on in our names with the consent of both houses of congress on both sides of the aisle.

There is only one possible answer to this problem: get those people out of there and replace them with some leaders who will do the RIGHT things because that is what America is about and wants to be about even as we have been taken over by thugs and thieves.

~~~WHAT ABOUT THE TEN WEEK GAP?~~-- Going back a couple of years, I wrote two letters on September 29, 2003 about Treasongate. The first was a public letter (pdf) -- to the Department of Justice asking for a Special Prosecutor (I think I was the first Member of Congress to ask, but I have no illusions that my letter forced their hand).

The second (pdf) was not a public letter. It was to Central Intelligence Agency Director George Tenet. I was troubled by reports that the DOJ was, to put it mildly, being less than responsive to the CIA concerns about the leak. The response I received (pdf), reported way back then by Josh Marshall of Talkingpointsmemo on a Friday night (it is amazing how I always get the most valuable responses to my letters on Friday nights), added some stunning detail to the Justice Department's footdragging. Mr. Marshall reminds us about the story today.

The letter indicates that the Central Intelligence Agency was repeatedly stonewalled by the DOJ and, in fact, couldnt even get their letters answered or calls returned. Here are some details:

-- On July 24, 2003, a CIA attorney left a phone message for the Chief of the Counterespionage Section of the Department of Justice noting his concern with recent stories apparently exposing the identity of Valerie Plame, an employee of the agency working under cover. There was apparently no response from the Department.

http://www.conyersblog.us / www.thehungersite.com

WAKE UP!!! PLEASE!!! GO TO CONYERS' BLOG!!! and AfterDowningStreet

:hangover: :spank: :spank: :hangover: :spank: :spank: :donut: :boring: :spank:
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 10:54 AM
Response to Reply #72
99. From my limited experience in the
spook community, they do not like outsiders fucking with them or their buddies. so you mess with a bunch of very intelligent, very savvy, very sneaky people, you best watch your back.
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DanCa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 12:21 AM
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21. wow
Maybe my dream of kerry taking over the oval office due to the corruption of traitor gate is becoming a reality.
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Pam-Moby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 12:25 AM
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23. This has my vote. thanks n/t
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tuvor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 12:27 AM
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24. Why's the WaPo leading with so many Plame stories lately?
They wouldn't've been one of my picks. Aren't they typically bushkissers of the highest order?

Who cares?

Email 'em and tell 'em "thanks," wontcha?
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Bumblebee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 12:37 AM
Response to Reply #24
32. Because they are competing with the NYT -- it's a free market again!
and also because reporters are pissed that they are being taken for fools and being used as fall guys and gals.
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tuvor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 12:40 AM
Response to Reply #32
34. Welcome to DU, Bumblebee!
:hi:
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Bumblebee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 12:42 AM
Response to Reply #34
37. Thank you -- and welcome, estherc!
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Trevelyan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 08:59 AM
Response to Reply #32
75. Or because the have permission from Bilderbergers and the other
secret societies who really run things in this country and the world. Kerry and Christopher Dodd and John Kerry, and Mrs. Bill Gates, and the Bushes and Kissenger are all members of Bilderberg which is said to be in civil war mode over the proposed nuking of Iran and continuation of the suicidal PNAC New World Order, World Dominion plan.

No War In Iran Petition

To: United Nations General Assembly

We, the undersigned, urge you, the members and officers of the United Nations General Assembly, to pass a resolution against and to use all of your diplomatic and political powers to prevent an attack
on the sovereign nation of Iran by the United States
of America and/or her allies.

Sincerely,

The Undersigned

~~~~
New petition, lead story today From The Wilderness:

http://www.petitiononline.com/NWinIran/petition.html

URGENT ALERT ON BEHALF OF BOLIVARIAN VENEZUELA!
Demand U.S. Hands Off Venezuela!

http://www.iacenter.org/venezcampaign.shtml~~~~http://w...

~~http://www.veteransforpeace.org/impeachment/petition2.h... - to sign

~~~~ I want my representative in the U.S. House of Representatives to vote to impeach President Bush for the high crimes described in the case for impeachment made by Veterans For Peace, and have the case prosecuted and tried in the U.S. Senate. Signatures on this petition will be delivered to the Chair of the House Judiciary Committee and to the ranking Democrat on the Committee. ~~ {THAT'S REP. CONYERS}
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 05:09 AM
Response to Reply #24
64. There are at least a few real reporters
who are upset because one of their own is now in jail and the WH won't lift a finger to help her and then Rove turned around and tried to blame the whole Plame leak on another unnamed reporter. Seems the some in the press have finally woken up and smelled the bullshit.
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Burried News Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 02:24 PM
Response to Reply #24
113. WaPo owns Newsweek
But even before that they were showing some scroats - big turn was Abu Ghraib.
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Gold Metal Flake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 12:27 AM
Response to Original message
25. Could this be mission creep?
I mean the GOOD kind!
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 12:36 AM
Response to Reply #25
31. For sure, it's the good kind. (eom)
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estherc Donating Member (40 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 12:38 AM
Response to Reply #25
33. fitzpatrick is on to them
Fitzgerald understands fully what this administration is all about. And remember there are Joe Citizen jurors on the panel. Their eyes are being opened. They're learning all this for the first time, seeing the machinations of the mayberry machivellis.

The request for the legal ruling that Cooper and Miller testify said that the investigation had "taken an unexpected turn." This may be the turn, into the whole falsification of evidence that got us into the war in the first place. Fitzgerald fully understands that this case is not merely about one indiscretion but a pattern of lies and slanders. The only question is how far up does it go.
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Sydnie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 12:34 AM
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29. Finally! Some truth makes it's way to the light
I think it is very telling that they talked to the person that Wilson wrote about in his book, but have yet to release his identity. Makes me wonder just who that is. Things that still make you go hummmmmmm.

I am loving that they have expanded the scope. I hope they all fall with the F word leading the way - FRAUD!
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I_Make_Mistakes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 12:53 AM
Response to Reply #29
40. Not usually a tin foiler BUT
as a NJ'er and non Whitman fan, after seeing her comments on NOW, I think the OLD REPUBLICANS are involved in the take down. I used to be an ahole Rep. but converted during the Clinton witch hunt. Actually, I didn't vote Repub. for awhile previously.

Anyway, you have to remember that the RW takeover of the party came slowly. Many people vote party lines because they don't have time to follow the day to day changes in party platforms. Therefore, the miss of fiscal responsibility to the dems etc.

The RW kind of crept up on the repubs. In an earnest win at any cost, they simply missed the takeover of their party. I have really been thinking that they too are covertly fighting the RW'ers.

Remember, governmental jobs are fairly stable and there are more old time republicans in positions (lower than appointee positions) with lots of info access.

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KT2000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 01:14 AM
Response to Reply #40
43. You make good points
I have long wondered what was happening with the old-line repubs.
Kept hoping that McCain would lead the charge but kept getting disappointed. There must be others who really are concerned because what is going on now is a coup.

I even had hope at one point that the military would leak enough to stop the war before it started.
Guess I am a dreamer.
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BamaBecky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 09:08 AM
Response to Reply #40
77. I hope that your speculation is in fact A REALITY...n/t
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Bumblebee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 10:45 AM
Response to Reply #40
98. They are fighting for their very political lives
If the trend continues all these NE Republicans are in grave danger of being swept away. Yet they are too timid to be vocal publically; even Chafee is now mostly silent. I have lots of respect for Snowe but cannot stand Collins. She is a real enabler.
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 05:15 PM
Response to Reply #98
122. IMO, the most important vote they ever make is for Majority Leader.
They are a vote for Frist, McConnell and Santorum. They have become (to me) the same as all the rest of the Republicans.

They vote almost exactly the same as the rest of them - on Filibusters, on Judges, on Taxes, on Foreign Policy, against Investigations of BushCo, etc.

The whole "moderate" or even "liberal" Republican label is just a joke to me. They don't stand up to their party on almost anything.

In the Blue state elections, the Democrats need to make perfectly clear how they are a vote to continue the Republican rubber stamp for BushCo and the abdication of the Senate's Constitutional duties.
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recovering democrat Donating Member (365 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 12:39 PM
Response to Reply #40
107. I strongly agree
No doubt about it - the Republicans lost me with Reagan when the creep to the right wing crazies began in earnest. Maybe those who used to have some honor and respect for this nation have decided it is time to recover it!
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txindy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 12:46 AM
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39. On the Post's front page, no less
Okay, this is getting goooood!

:popcorn:
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 01:05 AM
Response to Reply #39
42. Maybe Deep Throat reminded the WP what journalism is.
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Burried News Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 02:34 PM
Response to Reply #42
114. I say that 'release' was all part of the plan.
Yes. This chess game had alot of subtle moves. And don't forget Likud's interest in the game.
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Why Syzygy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 01:14 AM
Response to Original message
44. okay but
Edited on Wed Jul-27-05 01:18 AM by votesomemore
Remember, Nixon held his slimy head high even as he boarded the chopper for his off off and away flight. He thought he had done no harm. Ever.

This is all well and good. However, what we long for most, the dog to tuck tail and run, ain't gonna happen.

If we are even one half a nation under one half a gawd, Justice will rule and we can get rid of the slime balls.

Just be satisfied with that and don't look for any flames.

Gooooooooooooooo CIA! Take down the traitors. That's your JOB! :nuke:
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Al-CIAda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 01:39 AM
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48. .
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Rainscents Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 01:44 AM
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49. Drip... drip... drip.
Wow... This is getting real good! :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn: :kick:
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FormerOstrich Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 02:00 AM
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50. I have a couple of questions for anyone that might know:
1. Is there a statute of limitations on any of the crimes which might be applicable.

2. I've seen a lot of leak time lines but something that I haven't seen on them is when Congress voted to give * Carte Blanche. Does anyone happen to know what day that was?

Thank you!!
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jsamuel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 02:46 AM
Response to Reply #50
51. This could be a VERY important question.
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 04:05 AM
Response to Reply #50
58. They forced the vote just before the '02 by-elections. Oct. 10, 2002
sticks in my mind (without looking it up--may be wrong). 125 congressfolk and senators voted against, 124 more than voted against the Gulf of Tonkin resolution (Vietnam). I found that heartening (progress! --lessons learned!). Paul Wellstone was still alive--he voted against, and was expected to lead the fight to stop an invasion of Iraq. His plane crashed soon afterward (before the Nov. '02 elections).

Just looked it up, Oct. 11, 2002, war resolution. Oct. 25, 2002, Wellstone crash.

That so broke my heart. Oh Lord, did that break my heart!
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FormerOstrich Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 11:39 AM
Response to Reply #58
103. Thank you PeacePatriot
both days were so very difficult for me. I appreciate the info!!
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donkeyotay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 12:52 PM
Response to Reply #58
109. Imagine what the war opposition would have looked like
with Wellstone as its leader...and you know he would have been.

I think they killed him, and I think that even tho most won't admit it, congress got the message.

Tinfoil my ass. Even after all we know about how crooked this bunch is, people draw lines and most won't believe that political assassinations occur in this country because we're too good, too noble, too Christian to have gangsters in the WH.



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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 03:39 AM
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55. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
:)
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 03:44 AM
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57. One More Important Question:
Who forged the original documents, and when?
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 04:31 AM
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59. Rep Conyers knows that..
the Plame case ties in directly to DSM and so does Rep Waxman. They are both working hard on gathering the info. Perhaps they will bring articles of Impeachment on Bush/Cheney. If there are indictments of Rove and Libby this will push further into charges onto Rumsfailed, Wolfowitz, Rice, Powell and the rest. They are all guilty of falsifying Intell.

The RW will pull out everything they can to keep the Bush Regime from toppling but just maybe this time they won't succeed with their agenda.
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 04:44 AM
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61. Michael Isikoff should take lesson on how to write a cogent..
Edited on Wed Jul-27-05 04:53 AM by Kahuna
readable story from these two reporters. It seems that Isikoff purposely seeks to confuse rather than to inform.
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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 07:17 AM
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65. kick! This HUGE!
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 07:43 AM
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68. Pincus implied there was something BIG coming last week
on the Charlie Rose show. Man, he was not kidding!

:woohoo:
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Lerkfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 08:40 AM
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73. woohoo! I'm delighted this is going to come out, but I"m pessimistic
that any real indictments will be allowed to come to fruition.
If it gets even remotely close Bush will pardon, I believe.
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lancdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 10:29 AM
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92. If Bush issues pardons, the damage to the Repukes
should be huge.
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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 08:43 AM
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74. OOOOOOHHHHH!!!! ARMITAGE REQUESTED THE MEMO!!!!!!
"People familiar with this part of the probe provided new details about the memo, including that it was then-Deputy Secretary of State Richard L. Armitage who requested it the day Wilson went public and asked that a copy be sent to then-Secretary of State Colin L. Powell to take with him on a trip to Africa the next day. Bush and several top aides were on that trip. Carl W. Ford Jr., who was director of the Bureau of Intelligence and Research at the time and who supervised the original production of the memo, has appeared before the grand jury, a former State Department official said."

This is big. Armitage is no fan of these scumbags. If he requested the memo, he should know the distribution list. If he testified, I doubt very much he would have lied to protect these scumbags.
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 10:22 AM
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89. Wasn't Armitage ass-deep in Iran-Contra?
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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 10:24 AM
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90. Yes, But He's Royall PO'd at Bushco.
He's not on their side...
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 10:40 AM
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95. Thanks, Beet. I guess I just missed out on something
about the recent chapters of the Armitage story.
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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 10:43 AM
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96. Read H2O Man's Great Post On Armitage's Mind Set
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 01:30 PM
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111. Good stuff indeed. H2O Man is up to his usual standard.
I think he owes us a book. All he would have to do is string together his top 500 posts...
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 09:04 AM
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76. Does anyone know who is this person that approached Novak?
<<In a strange twist in the investigation, the grand jury -- acting on a tip from Wilson -- has questioned a person who approached Novak on Pennsylvania Avenue on July 8, 2003, six days before his column appeared in The Post and other publications, Wilson said in an interview. The person, whom Wilson declined to identify to The Post, asked Novak about the "yellow cake" uranium matter and then about Wilson, Wilson said. He first revealed that conversation in a book he wrote last year. In the book, he said that he tried to reach Novak on July 8, and that they finally connected on July 10. In that conversation, Wilson said that he did not confirm his wife worked for the CIA but that Novak told him he had obtained the information from a "CIA source.">>

Pennsylvania Avenue eh? Hmmm...
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Oreo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 09:50 AM
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84. The stranger knew Wilson
I can't for the life of me remember who it was but I heard him on Franken I think. He said he ran into Novak, asked him the questions and then immediately went to tell Wilson.

I'll look around to see if I can find who it was
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 10:14 AM
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86. That would be great.
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Burried News Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 02:46 PM
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115. I think it was a pink panther but more capable than Peter Sellers.
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emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 09:22 AM
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78. kicking n/t
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 09:28 AM
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80. Very, very interesting....
All the pieces are starting to fit together...
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buddha8 Donating Member (73 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 09:29 AM
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81. anti-war.com
Interesting stuff but people would do well to read some Justin Raimondo at anti-war.com. He appears to often be several steps ahead of the feverish crowd. His discussion of the prospect of a swelling super state of Shite power in the Mid-East is exceptional. And what the neo-con true motivation for this Iraq disaster may be.

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meganmonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 10:58 AM
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100. Welcome to DU, buddha8!
:toast:
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rrrevolution Donating Member (295 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 09:44 AM
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83. Bush to Fitz: The race is on re: Iran Contra Defense & Pardons For All
This quote from WP today is what has forced Bush's hand:

". . .special prosecutor Patrick J. Fitzgerald has asked not only about how CIA operative Valerie Plame's name was leaked but also how the administration went about shifting responsibility from the White House to the CIA for having included 16 words in the 2003 State of the Union address about Iraqi efforts to acquire uranium from Africa."

Senator Roberts' announcement that his Committee will examine the Fitzgerald probe is shorthand to Fitz that the WH is about to play the Iran/Contra trump card.

Roberts will call the culpable parties before his Senate Intelligence Committee, grant them immunity from criminal charges in exchange for their testimony, and leave Fitz with only non-testifiers to go after. It follows that anyone else with possible criminal liability will be granted a presidential pardon.

Folks this is a replay from the Iran/Contra case. The Supreme Court precedent is there to justify doing it again. Recall that Casper Weinberger and 5 others were slated for trial, and all were pardoned -- upheld by the SCOTUS on the basis of Congressional immunity for their testimoney.

Fitz needs to get out the indictments ASAP, and ratchet up political pressure on Roberts' Committee not to grant immunity to those involved.

Fitz already knows this. I suspect he has been trying to build the irrefutable case against Rove, Cheney and possibly Bush to make it politically impossible for Bush to issue pardons.

The WH knows the truth, knows who is criminally liable, and is trying to hold all of its supporters in line.

The real question is "who has rolled over for Fitz?" When it becomes known who has already rolled over, the line to cooperate and negotiate a plea at Fitz Office should grow much longer. But to get to the evildoers at the top, Fitz has to manage the Iran/Contra defense and pardons which will surely be rolled out by this WH.

Put on your seatbelts, the race is on!

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nolabels Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 11:06 AM
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102. That's why people find chess more challenging the checkers
The old coincidence might just play into other hands here. You can bet there have been a lot of covered bets here. If you make the wrong move it could expose another move that shouldn't have been made and that weak section you have been trying to hide.
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the phantom shouting Donating Member (37 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 12:37 PM
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106. God Bless the Washington Post
I am happy to find that I was wrong about the WP. After Dana's hackjob on the Conyer's DSM hearings I was convinced that the WP was nothing more than a mouthpiece for the Bush administration. Now, however, they appear to be providing the best, most insightful coverage of the Plame outing available.

In contrast, I offer up the Chicago Tribune, who, today, provided absolutely no coverage of the CIA leak whatsoever.

They received this letter:

Hey there gang!

Just a little note to let you know that today I might have purchased my final copy of your newspaper. As a lifelong Chicagoan, I grew up reading the Tribune. I have long enjoyed your insightful commentary and hard-hitting journalism. No longer.

Being an American citizen, I am naturally concerned about the apparent breach of security at the top levels of the White House; the outing of a C.I.A. operative involving (at the very least) Karl Rove and Scooter Libby, and perhaps even the president himself. I imagine that Im not the only person in Chicago searching for information on continuing developments in this critically important story. Evidently, however, you folks at the Tribune do not share any interest or concern about the grave damage that might have been done to our national security by individuals in the Bush administration. Looking through the Tribune yesterday, the only thing I found relating to the C.I.A. leak was a painfully unfunny piece by Garrison Keillor trivializing the matter. Today, there were no stories in the Tribune about the leak investigation at all. Zero.

So, thats it, gang. If the Chicago Tribune does not consider this story serious enough to cover, then I do not consider the Chicago Tribune a serious newspaper. I am very close to giving up on your publication altogether. This is front page stuff, folks. I hope you will reconsider your approach and send some good reporters to cover what could be (by the time it all plays out) the biggest story in our lifetimes.

Good luck,
J. Riley
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Nightjock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 01:05 PM
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110. I feel your frustration
In New York, only ONE out of three papers had anything on the story.
And you can't count the NY Post.

But I am convinced this is snowballing and soon it will be everywhere. Except the Post.
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 12:43 PM
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108. Yes Yes Yes
Some points for the president to consider:

* Whether Rove identified her as "Valerie Plame," "Ms. Wilson" or "Wilson's wife" makes no difference to common sense. Unveiling an undercover agent is a felony because it is a serious matter of security.

* Plame's name was exposed after her husband had written an op-ed piece that debunked the Bush administration's persistent claim that Saddam Hussein had sought uranium from the African country of Niger so he could build a nuclear weapon. The CIA had sent Wilson to Niger to investigate the possibility, but he determined that Hussein had not sought uranium there. That apparently wasn't what Rove and others in the administration wanted to hear.

* Top administration officials, including Rove, were informed by a classified memo on July 7, 2003, that Wilson's wife was a CIA agent. It was just a week later that her cover was blown in a Robert Novak column.

More...

http://heraldnet.com/stories/05/07/24/100edi_editorial0...
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cal04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 03:03 PM
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116. Robert Joseph should be questioned
and maybe Gingrich too

Not a high-profile hardliner like Bolton or Feith, Joseph successfully avoided the public limelightthat is until the scandal of the 16 words in Bushs 2003 State of the Union Address about Iraqs alleged nuclear weapons development program. According to president, The British government has learned that Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa. The State of the Union Address, which laid out the administrations case for a preemptive invasion of Iraq, used unconfirmed intelligence reports about Iraqs WMD programs. Press reports and congressional testimony by CIA officials later revealed that the CIA had vigorously protested the inclusion of any assertion that Iraq was developing nuclear weapons since their intelligence would not support such a conclusion. Alan Foley, the CIAs top expert on weapons of mass destruction, told Congress that Robert Joseph repeatedly pressed the CIA to back the inclusion in Bushs speech of a statement about Iraqs attempts to buy uranium from Niger. Following these revelations about the inclusion of erroneous and disputed intelligence estimates in this major speech that readied the U.S. public for war against Iraq, Joseph said he did not recall Foleys raising concerns about the credibility of the information to be included in the speech.

In his 1999 testimony to the emerging threats subcommittee of the Senate Armed Services Committee, Joseph helped lay the groundwork for the 2003 counterproliferation action against Iraq by misrepresenting the extent and character of Iraqs WMD programs. According to Joseph, The alarming size and scope of the Iraqi NBC programs, revealed only after its defeat in war, reflect the value ascribed to these weapons by rogue states. Furthermore, we know that state programs, such as in Iraq, have overcome technical challenges. For this reason, access by terrorists to state programsor to key individuals from such programsshould be of greatest concern. (16)

Frank Gaffney, head of the Center for Security Policy, defended Josephs role in the incident that went to the heart of the credibility of the administrations alarmism about the threat from Iraq. In a National Review Online op-ed, Gaffney wrote: It should come as no surprise that bureaucracies that are hostile to President Bush have taken a dim view of Joseph and others who have proven so effective in helping him to articulate and advance his Reaganesque philosophy of international peace through American strength. Neither should anyone be surprised that the NSC counterproliferation chiefs foes would try to take him out, or at least diminish his authority, by making him a scapegoat for the present controversy. The CIAs efforts to make Joseph the fall guy for the present imbroglio should fail Josephs name should be cleared and his considerable contribution to the national security should be able to continue undiminished for years to come. (6)
http://rightweb.irc-online.org/ind/joseph/joseph.php


Another frequent visitor was Newt Gingrich, the former Republican party leader who resurfaced after September 11 as a Pentagon "consultant" and a member of its unpaid defence advisory board, with influence far beyond his official title. Mr Gingrich gained access to the CIA headquarters and was listened to because he was seen as a personal emissary of the Pentagon and, in particular, of the OSP. In the days after September 11, Mr Rumsfeld and his deputy, Paul Wolfowitz, mounted an attempt to include Iraq in the war against terror. When the established agencies came up with nothing concrete to link Iraq and al-Qaida, the OSP was given the task of looking more carefully. William Luti, a former navy officer and ex-aide to Mr Cheney, runs the day-to-day operations, answering to Douglas Feith, a defence undersecretary and a former Reagan official.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,,999669...
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Burried News Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 04:59 PM
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120. Outstanding post. Hope you will repost it when traffic is lighter.
Edited on Wed Jul-27-05 05:12 PM by Burried News
Joseph and Gingrich were both working to promote the Niger yellowcake line. When I read this stuff two years or so ago the names Slutsky and Mallof were also in the mix - perhaps in the context of Straussians.
At the time it was easier to do a search in "The Forward" a very good NY paper but I think they were linked alot by antiwar.com and became more restrictive in their access. Plus the FBI Franklin case was being carried by them and of heavy interest. I think a search on alternet.org could be worthwhile. Many of the small fry in this case will undoubtedly slip away - perhaps that is why Fitzgerald has Miller.
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Burried News Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 05:17 PM
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123. Spelled it wrong - It's Shulsky
http://www.alternet.org/story/15935 /

"The "right" man for Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz, suggests Seymour Hersh in his recent New Yorker article entitled 'Selective Intelligence,' was Abram Shulsky, director of the Office of Special Plans (OSP) an agency created specifically to find the evidence of WMDs and/or links with Al Qaeda, piece it together, and clinch the case for the invasion of Iraq."

Readers may find this quote of interest (whose the target of psyops -us)

"Strauss is a popular figure among the neoconservatives. Adherents of his ideas include prominent figures both within and outside the administration. They include 'Weekly Standard' editor William Kristol; his father and indeed the godfather of the neoconservative movement, Irving Kristol; the new Undersecretary of Defense for Intelligence, Stephen Cambone, a number of senior fellows at the American Enterprise Institute (AEI) (home to former Defense Policy Board chairman Richard Perle and Lynne Cheney), and Gary Schmitt, the director of the influential Project for the New American Century (PNAC), which is chaired by Kristol the Younger.

Strauss' philosophy is hardly incidental to the strategy and mindset adopted by these men as is obvious in Shulsky's 1999 essay titled "Leo Strauss and the World of Intelligence (By Which We Do Not Mean Nous)" (in Greek philosophy the term nous denotes the highest form of rationality). As Hersh notes in his article, Shulsky and his co-author Schmitt "criticize America's intelligence community for its failure to appreciate the duplicitous nature of the regimes it deals with, its susceptibility to social-science notions of proof, and its inability to cope with deliberate concealment." They argued that Strauss's idea of hidden meaning, "alerts one to the possibility that political life may be closely linked to deception. Indeed, it suggests that deception is the norm in political life, and the hope, to say nothing of the expectation, of establishing a politics that can dispense with it is the exception.""
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WhiteTara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 04:02 PM
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118. Score one for the good guys
Fitzgerald could become a national hero. If he brings the cartel down, we should name that day Fitzgerald the Hero day!
:woohoo:
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cinci_democrat Donating Member (81 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 04:27 PM
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119. Treasongate Time Line
Apologies if this site has already been posted, but I found it quite good...detailed and complete. From Daily Kos:

http://www.dkosopedia.com/index.php/Plame_Leak_timeline
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freedomburn Donating Member (225 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 05:06 PM
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121. Kick. This is big big big.
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faithnotgreed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-31-05 06:56 PM
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127. hi cinci democrat - glad youre here and cant wait until tuesday
when paul hackett takes the district
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Burried News Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 05:26 PM
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124. Talon News took Gannon's articles off the net - could any of them
relate to Traitorgate? I know it's a stretch but maybe the archive has somethin besides propaganda.

http://www.alternet.org/mediaculture/21226 /
Came across this at link above as I was search Judith Miller.
"The Talon News site today scrubbed its archives of many "Gannon" articles and removed his biography. It said it was already looking for a replacement for its star reporter."
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goforit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-31-05 07:22 PM
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128. WOW!!!.........Tying up loose ends now.
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