Mass. Governor Vetoes Contraception Bill

[Judi Lynn]

Mass. Governor Vetoes Contraception Bill

By THEO EMERY
The Associated Press
Monday, July 25, 2005; 9:08 PM

BOSTON -- Gov. Mitt Romney vetoed a bill Monday expanding access to emergency contraception, angering abortion rights advocates while pleasing anti-abortion activists crucial to a 2008 presidential run.

The veto could end up being overturned by lawmakers because the bill passed with veto-proof margins in both the House and Senate.

The Republican governor said the so-called "morning after pill" is already widely available without a mandate from the state. He also was concerned because the hormone regimen can prevent a fertilized egg from implanting in a woman's uterus.

"If it only dealt with contraception, I wouldn't have a problem with it. But it also in some cases terminates a life after conception," he said.
(snip/...)

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/07/25/AR2005072500965.html
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[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

1. Yes, those undiferentiated blobs of cells will CRY!

Their SOULS will SUFFER! :sarcasm:

[arwalden]

3. More Christian "Every Sperm Is Sacred" Bullshit...

... it's disgusting.

[brooklynite]

5. Nope - Politics 101

this is the posturing standard for every GOP Presidential candidate who doesn't want to appear "too moderate" for the true-believers. Gov. Pataki in NY has been holding off signing a bill on access to "day after" contraception while he visits Iowa and ponders his opportunities.

[Miss Chybil]

19. If only they were so concerned about the kids who are already here... nt

[Bill McBlueState]

2. Romney's learned a lot about the symbolic veto lately

Several months ago, the legislature *unanimously* overrode one of his vetos. This will be overridden, too. It's just to score Mitt some points with presidential voters.

[Ian David]

10. I think they have over-ridden EVERY veto

Romney actually vetoed a bill that would prevent a company from building a trash-transfer station next to a reservoir.

That was over-ridden.

But then some Libertarian I spoke to said, "Well, people should exercise the personal responsibility to drink bottled water."

[kahleefornia]

4. Why can't people research

what they say??

<"...it also in some cases terminates a life after conception," he said.
(snip/...)>


So does the Pill!

Shoot...maybe I shouldn't point that out...there goes the Pill...

[murielm99]

6. That is incorrect.

They prevent conception. They do not terminate a life after conception, as you put it.

[kahleefornia]

8. no, my understanding is

that the pill works to prevent ovulation, limit sperm motility by altering conditions in the uterus, and sometimes prevents implantation of a fertilized egg.

Fertilization is conception, no?

[noamnety]

18. Yes, but pregnancy is something different

pregnancy is medically defined as beginning when the embryo is implanted in the uterine wall.

No implantation, no pregnancy.

And the most ironic/tragic/stupid part of this is that by taking the morning after pill, you DECREASE the chances of expelling a fertilized egg.

[Mandate My Ass]

27. Not according to medical literature

Conception occurs after the fertilized egg implants on the uterine wall, not before. So EC and BCP are contraceptives. Period.

If you have an alternative view of when conception occurs it has no basis in medical science.

[Aesclepius]

33. Actually, That Is Not Correct.

Fertilization generally occurs in the oviduct prior to uterine implantation, not after. In fact, implantation is a complex process that is actually initiated by the zygote (the fertilized ovum) 2 or 3 days after its entrance into the uterus and consists of three phases: adhesion, penetration, and invasion. The process requires an interplay between the endometrium of the uterus and the developing embryo; therefore, conception after implantation is not likely to occur.

I'm not sure what medical literature you're referring to, but it's, on the whole, incorrect.

[JerseygirlCT]

32. That's the question - but exactly when

there's no one point that can easily be identified. Great op-ed piece on the science of it in yesterday's Hartford Courant. (I'll look for it and edit if I can find)

Sperm meets egg? Sperm enters egg? DNA meets? Combines? Cell division starts? Implantation? Differentiated brain cells? Brain activity?

[AlienGirl]

16. So can Advil

There are a whole bunch of things that can cause a fertilized egg to fail to implant. The majority of fertilized eggs do not implant at all, which is why doctors don't consider a woman pregnant until the zygote has actually implanted.

Tucker

[kahleefornia]

38. so what's the big deal

about embryonic stem cell research then?? Those little embryos all sitting in a frozen tube somewhere, NOT implanting themselves anywhere.

They can't have it both ways...

[Ramsey]

7. can prevent a fertilized egg from implanting in a woman's uterus

That's the freaking point, you freaking right-wing moron!!!

Oh my god, please let these right wing asswipes become an endangered species!!!

[Tesha]

23. Yes, but you see, the tiny little spirit...

> "can prevent a fertilized egg from implanting in a woman's uterus"
> That's the freaking point, you freaking right-wing moron!!!

Yes, but you see, the tiny little spirit flies into the ovum the
instant the enzymes on the sperm's head start dissolving their
way into the ovum, so if we don't let that teeny tiny little
now-enspirited ovum implant, a *HUMAN LIFE* (it apparently has
to be shouted; it's in the "Pro-Life propaganda handbook) has
been lost!

Well, maybe when the 23 chromosomes finally zip themselves
together for the first time; the propaganda book seems a
little unclear on that point; it's one of those "sciuntific"
things, don'cha know, kinda like "evolution".

Tesha

[Ian David]

9. The morning after pill is NOT abortion! Stupid republican fucktards! n/t

[WindRavenX]

11. No amount of Plan B can terminate a pregnancy

If the zygote is already implanted in the uterus, no amount of Plan B will induce a chemical abortion.
Once again, science is ignored.

[brentspeak]

12. Good grief! Did the Mass. electorate go temporarily insane?

How did they let this guy into the governor's mansion?

Just because William Weld was a halfway-decent Republican governor doesn't mean that such a thing could ever happen again.

[Eugene]

13. Mittens ran as a moderate reformer.

Also the Democrats ran a weak candidate against him.

Romney promised to expand access to emergency contraception
when he ran for governor in 2002. He reassured voters
that he would not try to restrict abortion.

Now that he is running for president, he has gone
completely right wing.

[Auntie Bush]

39. He got there because he was good looking and that's what Rethugs

care out. They don't need to think or know any thing because the party will tell them all they need to know. They just need an empty suit to fill his shoes.

[Betty]

14. It is so obvious that he's out of here

everything he does has nothing to do with Massachusetts... he's just trying to please the assholes in the Bible Belt, couldn't care less about what people here want. Why he was voted into office is beyond me, I do not understand how time and time again we elect another republican shithead who uses the office as a stepping stone. None of them had any intention of actually serving the state. A microcosm of the USA, voting against one's own best interests, for inexplicable reasons.

[kestrel91316]

15. An unimplanted egg is not a person, you freak!

Until the fertilized egg implants, there IS NO PREGNANCY, therefore there is no potential human being.

[WhiteTara]

17. How did MA get such a numbnut for a

governor? He is predictably disgusting.

[Tesha]

24. Mass routinely votes Republican for governor in the hopes of...

...cutting their taxes. Barbara Anderson and her CLT (Citizens
for Limited Taxation, what did you think I meant?) has convinced
everyone in Massachusetts that they've been absolutely impoverished
by the appallingly-high tax rates (as they drive to their $150K+/year
jobs from their $1M+ houses in their $40K Lexi).

Tesha

[midnight armadillo]

30. Hey, not all of us make that sort of salary!

I make a decent (but well under 150k!) salary and can't afford to even buy a house, much less a Lexus.

You're right about Barbara Anderson though, that women is obsessive in her pursuit of zero taxation.

[Tesha]

35. I know, but...

> Hey, not all of us make that sort of salary!"
>
> I make a decent (but well under 150k!) salary and can't afford
> to even buy a house, much less a Lexus.

I know, but you probably don't vote Republican either so you
obviously don't fit into my somewhat-hyperbolic generalization
of "everyone", even though a majority (proven by Mitt's election)
does.

Tesha

[SoCalDem]

20. Can they overrride his veto?? Who needs him anyway?

:)

[Tesha]

25. As the "Magic-8 Ball" sas: "It is a certainty" (NT)

[Massachusetts]

21. "Mass. Governor Vetoes Contraception Bill"

Mitt is just the Court Jester in our state. It will be overturned.

[Eugene]

22. Romney just declared himself "prolife".

He wrote and op-ed "Why I vetoed contraception bill" in today's
Boston Globe:

http://www.boston.com/news/globe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2005/07/26/why_i_vetoed_contraception_bill/


In 2002, he said that he supported the subsance of Row vs. Wade.
Now he's against it and opposes abortion "except in cases of
incest, rape, and to save the life of the mother."

He says he only went along with pro-choice becuase Massachusetts
is a lost cause. :eyes:

[Tesha]

34. He only went Pro-Choice because he's a typical hypocritical Republican.

He'd say anything to get elected and as long as what he's saying
includes the magic phrase "cut your taxes", people will swallow it.

Tesha

[Endangered Specie]

26. How the hell does a jackass like him get elected in Mass?

:shrug:

[Rockholm]

28. ACTIVIST GOVERNOR

Repeat after me...ACTIVIST GOVERNOR. Mittens, how goes THAT sound? The Mass House overwhelmingly and the Mass Senate unanimously voted FOR the EC Bill. The citizens of Massachusetts want it. Bye Bye Mittens.

[OnionPatch]

29. They don't care

if it's attached or not! Since when do they care about science? It's a fertilized egg, period. That means it's a life. So to them, the morning after pill AND birth control pills can potentially cause abortion.

Mark my words: They're going to make the pill illegal when they outlaw abortion.

[Tracer]

31. Another Pointless Veto from the Mittster.

His veto will be overridden.

His pandering to the right is SO OBVIOUS to us MA denizens.

And stop asking why MA voted for him. He campaigned as a moderate, and his Dem opponent was extremely weak.

[jim3775]

36. Please tell me the people of Mass. are going to vote this guy out

next election.

[0007]

37. How in the hell did this guy ever get elected in a progressive state?

Send the idiot back to Utah!

[struggle4progress]

40. Mass. Gov. Vetoes Law on Pill, Takes Aim at Roe v. Wade

The Boston Globe



Boston, July 26--Three years after expressing support for "the substance" of Roe v. Wade, Governor Mitt Romney today criticizes the landmark ruling that legalized abortion and says the states should decide separately whether to allow it.

Romney outlines his abortion position in an opinion article today in The Boston Globe, a day after he vetoed a bill that would expand access to the so-called "morning after" pill, a high dose of hormones that women can take to prevent pregnancy up to five days after sex.
In a written response to a questionnaire for candidates in 2002, Romney told Planned Parenthood that he supported "the substance of the Supreme Court decision in Roe v. Wade," according to the group. Today, Romney describes himself as a "pro-life governor" who wishes "the laws of our nation could reflect that view." Calling the country "divided over abortion," he says states "should determine their own abortion laws and not have them dictated by judicial mandate." <snip>

http://www.beliefnet.com/story/171/story_17166_1.html

[warrens]

41. Mitt's political career is over

Go back to Utah, you fuck.