Conservative Groups Say Senators Sold Out GOP

[Judi Lynn]

May 24, 2005 latimes.com :

Conservative Groups Say Senators Sold Out GOP
Activists are outraged by a deal that doesn't guarantee up-or-down votes on all nominees.

By Richard Simon And Mary Curtius, Times Staff Writers


WASHINGTON — Conservative groups that spent millions of dollars preparing for a Senate fight over use of the filibuster to block votes on President Bush's judicial nominees reacted with outrage Monday night at a compromise that averted the showdown.

Several furious conservative activists accused Republican senators who supported the compromise of selling out Majority Leader Bill Frist (R-Tenn), saying they wanted nothing short of guaranteed up-or-down votes on every judicial nominee.
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Of the seven Republicans who signed the compromise agreement, Sheldon said: "They didn't have the backbone and the fortitude to stand up for the fact that we are the majority."

James Dobson, head of Focus on the Family, which had been lobbying GOP senators to hold firm, expressed his "disappointment, outrage and sense of abandonment."

Come election day, he said, "voters will remember both Democrats and Republicans who betrayed their trust."
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[QC]

1. Dobson and the others need to come to DU and learn that they won

a great victory. :eyes:

[EFerrari]

13. Now, that's funny.

:)

[JerseygirlCT]

37. I don't think so

I think we accept the compromise for what it represents -- a chance for moderate voices to take more control of the out of control far right GOP. Yes, yes, I don't like all of it, either, but I do not think it's a big loss for us.

Meanwhile, we should all pull together and pop some popcorn and enjoy as we watch as the far right starts to pull the GOP apart. Rejoice as they eat their own. That can only be good for us, and for our prospects in 2006.

[madrchsod]

2. no! the democrats sold out

no! the republicans sold out
no! the democrats sold out
no! the republicans sold out........

[TaleWgnDg]

3. And here's the list . . . of moderates . . .

And here's the list of (so-called) "moderates" who signed the compromise/agreement:

Democrats:
Robert Byrd (West Virginia)
Daniel Inouye (Hawaii)
Mary Landrieu (Louisiana)
Joseph Lieberman (Connecticut)
Ben Nelson (Nebraska)
Mark Pryor (Arkansas)
Ken Salazar (Colorado)

Republicans:
Lincoln Chafee (Rhode Island)
Susan Collins (Maine)
Mike DeWine (Ohio)
Lindsey Graham (South Carolina)
John McCain (Arizona)
John Warner (Virginia)
Olympia Snowe (Maine)

And here's the Senate compromise/agreement: http://rawstory.com/aexternal/the_filibuster_deal_523 (so says rawstory.com, anyway)

It's my view that these 14 U.S. Senators have secured U.S. Senate seats w/o any attempted "pay back" by extremist religion-into-law rightwing zealots! That, or they sure n hell wouldn't have signed onto this agreement.




.

[woosh]

8. Salizar is a rising star in the party.

I saw his name mentioned a bunch during the negotiations.

[jobycom]

4. I have an image of us letting go of the rope just as they tugged really

hard. All those millions of dollars winding up in the pit of mud, useless to everyone.

It's worth it just to see the whine.

[annabanana]

7. Hey! That's a very good analogy..

We didn't really win anything, but they ended up wallowing around in the mud. I like it.

[Rex_Goodheart]

5. Outrage?

Outrage? So, what are they going to do about it? Vote DEMOCRAT?

BWAHAHAHAHAHA.

Come election day those right-wing whackos will do what they would have done anyway: vote for pandering Republicans.

[LynnTheDem]

6. Yeppers they sure will remember. The vast majority of Americans OPPOSED

killing off the filibuster, so yeah, I'm sure they'll remember who betrayed their trust...

[truthisfreedom]

9. who the F*** is james dobson to tell us when to be outraged?

james dobson can sit and spin, for all i care. i'll judge for myself what the good people of my party have done. i don't need no stinking thug to tell me what's what. F*** OFF, dobson.

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[hector459]

11. Might as well vote down those nominees, then. What difference will it

make to the RW neocon funddies? If I were one of those Senators that those ungrateful, terrorizing RWingnuts threatened, I would make their threats count for something and vote against those three judges that will have an up or down vote.

[Mark E. Smith]

12. The Biggest Consequence Of The Filibuster Compromise ...

... could very well end up being the splintering of the GOP/Christian Right coalition. Watching Critter Dobson and the rest of the Liars for the Lord going after the "traitors" within the GOP like they're Democrats will be a fine sight to see.

The GOP is becoming unhinged, and its march to the right is now leaving some of its own behind.

[Terran]

38. Good point, you're right.

This has been an ongoing process, and I think this is the first really gross public split between the fundie wackos and the moderate repubs. The failure of the federal anti-same-sex marriage amendment was of that ilk too, but in this case the right-wing really expected to win it all. I think you're right, a major split is coming, and that could mean the end of the Republican party as we know it.

:toast:

[silvermachine]

47. I really doubt it....

...I thought that the Hip Preist might have a little more clarity of vision. But then this is hardly a case of Specter vs. Rector is it?

[swag]

14. Dobson Blasts Filibuster 'Betrayal'

http://releases.usnewswire.com/GetRelease.asp?id=47847

"This Senate agreement represents a complete bailout and betrayal by a cabal of Republicans and a great victory for united Democrats. Only three of President Bush’s nominees will be given the courtesy of an up-or-down vote, and it's business as usual for all the rest. The rules that blocked conservative nominees remain in effect, and nothing of significance has changed. Justice Clarence Thomas, Justice Antonin Scalia, and Chief Justice William Rehnquist would never have served on the U. S. Supreme Court if this agreement had been in place during their confirmations. The unconstitutional filibuster survives in the arsenal of Senate liberals.

via TPM - www.talkingpointsmemo.com

[Erika]

15. Mr Dobson carries weight because of?

Other than being a Rove turn on to get right wing votes, what is this man's clout? He reminds me of Jim Jones and the kool aid. I'd be embarassed to be identified with him.

[saltpoint]

18. Me, too. But his reach is significant if not frightening.

There is big money and long arms to Focus on the Family.

That's another reason why Frist's setback tonight is a blow against the fundie Right.

[anitar1]

23. Dobson's organization is now listed as a "hate group" by

The Southern Poverty Law Center. They have a magazine called Intelligence project, which lists 10 religious organizations who are being watched.The Law Center has been very successful at forcing groups into bankruptcy. I have the greatest respect for them.

[BiggJawn]

31. No foolin? Wonder if my local Teee-Veee station knows that?

They carry Dobson's daily 1-minute "homily" every morning during the news. Think I'll gather up some info for them...

[Ian David]

39. Related Thread: Southern Poverty Law Center and anti-gay hategroups

Holy War: religious crusade against gays reaching Biblical proportions
Topic started by IanDB1 on Apr-28-05 02:03 PM (4 replies)
Last modified by IanDB1 on Apr-28-05 03:41 PM
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GLBT Issues- Holy War- The religious crusade against gays- MUST READ
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[silvermachine]

48. They've been on the list...

...for at least a few years. And deservedly so.

[anitar1]

24. Forgot to add that Dobson's organization operates

under different names.

[jobycom]

16. Wait

Why would Thomas, Scalia and Rehnquist have not been confirmed if this agreement--which is basically just an agreement to keep the rules the same as they are now--was in effect? For one thing, the Democrats controlled the Senate when all three of those traitorous bastards were confirmed.

I mean, I like seeing Dobson badmouthing the Republicans and tearing up his own party and all, I just think he's a stupid fuck, and I don't like stupid fucks who don't know they are stupid fucks.

[saltpoint]

17. Here's to them betraying Dobson more often!

Swag, I like your posts and also I like to see Mr. Burroughs' picture in your avatar field.

For me, Burroughs was one of the rare souls who could burn thru the haze and get to the essence of things right away.

[Kerrytravelers]

19. Note to Dobson: Just keep worrying about Spongebob-

and leave the rest of us alone.

[saltpoint]

20. Hi, Kerrytravelers. Two thumbs up to ya --

-- one for you, and one for SpongeBob.

:thumbsup: :thumbsup:

[Kerrytravelers]

22. Right back at you, Old Crusoe! (and Spongebob says thanks, too!)

[Erika]

21. Yeah, and his gratitude to Frist the cat killer

didn't help much. I am a cat lover.

[Sgent]

25. Thomas at least

was confirmed by 53 votes. If it had been filabustered, there would have been no Thomas.

[NNN0LHI]

30. And perhaps no Bush either. Another SC justice may have not involved...

...themselves in the 2000 election.

Don

[Merlin]

26. Oh, Mr. Frist... Mr. Dobson has a small, ticking package for you...

It's due to explode in your face during the '08 presidential runup.

Adolph Dobson does not play nice, Mr. Frist.

When you sign a pact with Satan, you must keep your word.

[FourStarDemocrat]

27. Ted Nugent still supports Frist though...He released a statement that

Fristian has Cat Scratch (mutilating) Fever and he will always love him for it!

[unhappycamper]

28. The radical cleric Dobson will be back.

Think $$$$$$; Rethugs do.

[no_hypocrisy]

29. Hey Pal, it's God's Will. Get over it.

[Hand]

44. Better yet...

INSH'ALLAH, MOFO!

:rofl:

[LightningFlash]

32. To be more accurate, James Dobson, come election day voters will.....

....Remember how your hate-bigotry led to the downfall of the radical right's agenda, and landed most of its extreme members behind bars. I believe history will remember the day Americans stood up and took back their democracy, and made certain the religious extremists went back to the world of Alice in Wonderland whence they came.....

[lovuian]

33. America was not taking over by the Religious Right NeoCons

These people want to control America and make it a Theocracy not a Democracy!!!

[nolabels]

34. Is anybody going do a survey..........

On who is the biggest sell out here? Oh Gee, I was also very surprised about this Dobson joker. He is just so outraged that he didn't get to stick it up a few peoples ears after he screwed the whole country in just about every other crevice..........Boo hoooooo :cry:

[zanne]

35. Who are the fashion victims in the photo?

That's hilarious.

[johnfunk]

36. Gary Bauer Calls Senate Judicial Deal a 'Sell Out'

Gary Bauer Calls Senate Judicial Deal a 'Sell Out'

5/23/2005 10:01:00 PM

To: National Desk

Contact: Kristi Hamrick of American Values, 571-244-6324 (703 same as 571)

WASHINGTON, May 23 /U.S. Newswire/ -- Former Presidential Candidate Gary Bauer issued the following statement late Monday as news of the "travesty" to justice deal on stalled judicial nominees was released.

The President of American Values said: "This is a sad day for our nation. ...

In other words:
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHH!

[leesa]

40. Good. Bout time a couple of Republicans sprout some balls.

[Lydia Leftcoast]

41. See, here's a major difference between Republicanite and Dem tactics

The Republicanites didn't get every single last thing they wanted, so they see it as a defeat.

The Democrats settled for a few minor things that they wanted, and they're congratulating themselves for winning.

This is why the Republicans have come so far in the past twenty years.

[GOTV]

42. Good point...

... It seems that the GOP wants it more and expects more of themselves than do Dems. And that could be why they are the majority.

Like: "Yay, Bush gets 3 more judges we blocked last time and is still free to threaten to go nuclear in the future. We Win!"

If they engineer another crisis and get a few more judges through will we be the winners again?

Why don't we just declare that we want what they want and then we can "win" all the time?

[central scrutinizer]

43. this is bullshit

to make it seem like the pukes didn't get what they wanted. The worst of the nominees, especially Owens, will now get their floor vote and will probably get confirmed to the bench in DC. That was the prize and they appear to have gotten it. Rove probably wrote the script for Dobson and Bauer - this ploy is so transparent.

[silvermachine]

49. I agree 100%...

...this is nothing more than window dressing.

[SemperEadem]

45. looks like God really isn't on their side

I'm sure they feel the same way Phillip II Hapsburg of Spain felt in 1588 when the Spanish Armada was defeated, not by the English, but by God Himself, with hurricanes and gales in the North Sea.

Dobson needs to go into a closet and repent of his pride.

[Javaman]

46. Are they pissed because they sold out or that they lost their money?

LOL Jackass rw morons

[Tippy]

51. Sheldon said

"They didn't have the backbone and the fortitude to stand up for the fact that we are the majority."

Boy was he wrong it took a lot more backbone to vote their conscience than to follow along like lambs going to the slaughter...

He was right however when he said "voters will remember"