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hatrack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 10:03 AM
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Amazon Deforestation Up 6% In 2004 (2nd-worst year on record)
BRASILIA, Brazil - Deforestation in the
Amazon rain forest in 2004 was the second worst ever, figures released by the Brazilian government showed Wednesday. Satellite photos and data showed that ranchers, soybean farmers and loggers burned and cut down a near-record area of 10,088 square miles of rain forest in the 12 months ending in August 2004, the Brazilian Environmental Ministry said.

The destruction was nearly 6 percent higher than in the same period the year before, when 9,500 square miles were destroyed.

The deforestation hit record numbers in 1995, when the Amazon shrank a record 11,200 square miles, an area roughly the size of Belgium or the American state of Massachusetts.

The Amazon forest — which sprawls over 1.6 million square miles and covers more than half the country — is a key component of the global environment. The jungle is sometimes called the world's "lung" because its billions of trees produce oxygen and absorb carbon dioxide from the atmosphere."

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http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20050519/ap_on_sc/brazil_amazon_destruction_3

KEN: "In other news, the Amazon nuclear power plant melts down. Environmentalists are calling it a disaster."

BARBIE: "But don't they always?!?"
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AP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 10:08 AM
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1. On the other hand, income inequality is down in Brazil and it's becoming
a more sustainable economy (food and energy imports are down).

They have a lot of poor people in Brazil and I'm not sure how they can keep all of the rainforest while also feeding and creating wealth for their citizens.

There's obviously going to have to be a balance.

It's certainly a bad thing when, in the past, the rainforests disappeared so that overseas CEOs could get wealthier off of Brazil's natural resources purchased by them at bargain basement prices.

But it's important to recognize, as well, that reducing poverty and creating wealth that is equitably distributed does come with things like increasing the size and number of soy bean farms.
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tex-wyo-dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 10:56 AM
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2. Whereas I agree with you that there needs to be a balance...
the key component is "sustainable." Cutting and burning down rainforest so that you can have a few plantings of soy beans before the soil turns to crap is not sustainable, not to mention that the destruction of rainforests worldwide have compounded the effects of global warming, which threatens everything.
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slay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 01:46 PM
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3. Sustainability is indeed the key
So much of the world's current lifestyle here in 2005 is unsustainable. We all know that. Now it's time to do something about it - and getting the truth out there for all to see is a good first step.
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AP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 02:50 PM
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9. If it means Brazil has to transport soy beans shorter distances to feed...
...people (ie, 300 miles rather than 5,000 from the US or Africa or Europe) there could actually be a net environmental gain.

The point to which I'm trying to draw people's attention is that a lot of "environment" talk is actually thinly disguised anti-development talk that has little to do with carring about sustaining the environment and has a lot to do with sustaining dependency (and therefore sustaining profits for western corporations)--and sometimes that dependency can have a huge impact on the environment if it requires transporting products huge distances from places where production is energy-intensive.
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chlamor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 02:35 PM
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5. Global Warming-Massive Deforestation-Species Extinction and We're Still
talking about balance? When will folks wake up?

ECONOMY=Household Stewardship=ECOLOGICAL SUSTAINABILITY

White Western Industrial Society hasn't a clue as to how to live sustainably. "Development" has simply become a term to rationalize ecological devastation and capitalist profiteering.

We find our selves living in the time of

KOYAANISQATSI

ko.yaa.nis.qatsi (from the Hopi Language) n.   1. crazy life.  
2. life in turmoil.   3. life out of balance.   4. life disintegrating.
5. a state of life that calls for another way of living.


Only when the last tree has died and the last river been poisoned and the last fish been caught will we realize we cannot eat money.
--Cree Indian Proverb
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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 03:39 PM
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12. Right wing memes are powerful things
every republican I know (including my own mother) has used the phrase "we need to find a balance..." when talking about environmental destruction.
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AP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 05:04 PM
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13. Republicans also use environmentalism as wedge on issues like...
...labor and immigration.

Like I said in another post, a lot of talk about developing nations "destroying" their natural resources is really about getting people in developed nations to support efforts that prevent developing nations from getting developed.

So you really need to think about what's going on here. If there is a demand for soy beans in Brazil, how is it better for the environment to leave the rainforests pristine but to jet them in and have to refrigerate them, or whatever, from the thousands of miles a way (or to let people have the choice of either starving or paying super high prices for food?).

Obviously, farming locally, even it costs a couple hundred acres of rainforest, is going to be better for the environment. And politically speaking, keeping the wealth in a developing naiton is going to be better for the whole world.

One of the reasons the US can push the rest of the world around on things like Kyoto is because the US has a lot of economic, and therefore political, power, while the DEVELOPING nations have relatively little.

Allowing Brazil to feed itself levels the playing field -- it increases their economic and political power so that ulitmately it won't be the US telling everyone what to do. (Incidentally, have no problem with the US using its moral authority to convince the rest of the world to do the right thing, but I have a huge problem with the US using its economic power to tell the rest of the world to do what makes Wall Street rich.) And, coming full circle, the western media knows what it's doing when it gets Westerners in a lather about "environmentalism" viz Brazil.
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AP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 05:04 PM
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14. ...
Edited on Thu May-19-05 05:09 PM by AP
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barb162 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 05:12 PM
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16. "Only when"...and when we are all standing on each other's heads
with the damned breeding/overpopulation
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AP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 05:17 PM
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17. Forcing Brazil to be poor and hungry and to have a dependency relationship
with developed nations like the US is not the problem.

It's my opinion that the media works up people on the environmentalism issue in a way that makes people think of real solutions to the problems. The only solution people think about is that Brazil has to stop developing economically even if it means they remain poor and export the wealth of their nation to Wall St.
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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 03:34 PM
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10. If you can't breathe and your crops fail
then where does that leave you? This won't just affect Brazil-this will impact the entire planet-our weather patterns, the rise of disease, and massive crop and forest failures.Invest in education for Brazilians to join the tech industries, or any number of career paths that don't depend on destroying the lungs of the planet for short term farmland (the farmland generally goes barren in ten years due to soil quality).
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AP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 05:09 PM
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15. A poor, hungry Brazil and a rich, powerful America doesn't make the world
better.

Why does Brazil have to stop its economic development? Why doesn't the US share the burden and stop paving over everything? Or, if the Amazon is that important, let's stop fucking around on Kyoto and let's have all the world pay taxes on carbon emissions which we pay to Brazill to keep them from developing the rain forests.

But the last thing the rest of the world can do is tell Brazil, tough luck, America developed first and destroyed its environment so you can't. You have to stay poor and hungry.

Incidentally, I think one of the things that's going to ensure that that the latter doesn't happen and that the former might is if Brazil develops economically and there's a more even ballance of political and economic power around the world.
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chlamor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 08:44 PM
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20. The entire framework of what is called 'economic development'
is destructive, life taking and in fact UNeconomical.

How much of the world do we colonize through our daily lives.

Wealth is THE problem.

As long as the development model is tied to Western Ideology we are doomed. The evidence is in.
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AP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 10:15 PM
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22. Development, to me, is taking all the wealth the world creates and...
...spreading it fairly.

When the US holds back another country from participating in its own wealth by, for example, extracting their natural resources or exploiting their labor, or destroying their indigenous industries (like the US has done to Jamaican farmers) so that those countries are dependent on richer countries, somebody is making money. The problem is that the people who are making money are not in the poor, undeveloped countries. Development means keeping the wealth closer to the place it came from, and making developed countries pay fair, competitive rates for it.

Wealth isn't the problem. Distribution of wealth is the problem.

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chlamor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 10:28 PM
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23. Humanism
is destroying the planet-humans included. A more egalitarian way of destroying the Earth is no solace.

Live within the natural limits of your energy systems or perish. No organism is immune from that truism.

Financial arrangements are a smokescreen and a means of control. A real economy lives within the limits. distribution of wealth means nothing-definition of 'Wealth' means everything.

Health is better than wealth. The Earth can't take it any more. Live with LESS-MUCH LESS.

Approx. 83% of the world's resources are used by 3.7% of the worlds population.

Only when the last tree has died and the last river been poisoned and the last fish been caught will we realize we cannot eat money.
--Cree Indian Proverb

Development is a Western term of the neo-liberal economic mind.
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AP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 10:34 PM
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24. I have a feeling that when wealth is distributed fairly, people who
care about preserving the earth will have the political and economic power to counter the people who only care about massive short term profits.

I used the example of Kyoto above. The inequitable distribtion of economic and political power -- the US has so much more than everyone else -- is probably the biggest reason we're not making progress on the environment today.

Brazil has a goverment which is spreading economic and political power down to the people and are not concentrating it in the hands of a few corporations.

Development is not the Western term of the neoliberal economic mind. Anti-neoliberals from Gandhi, to MLK to Hugo Chavez all know that the way to create a better, more democratic world was through economic development for the opporessed and the poor.
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chlamor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 10:46 PM
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25. Don't Catch Affluenza-It's Deadly
sadly at this point in time most people when monetarily enriched rise to another level of consumption and the chase is on. This means further degradation and ecocide. Until there is an 'awakening' that we humans are not superior to our own condition I see little chance of continued environmental destruction.

As Gandhi said "Poverty's the solution. What's the problem?" or some such thing.

Don't use or buy STUFF. Eliminate plastic from your life. Stay away from COW.

The remaining pockets of biodiversity in the world correspond exactly and without exception to the remaining pockets of indigenous people.

The Western Habit of Mind is a wrecking ball.
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AP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 11:38 PM
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26. Jamaica is very poor and the people can't afford to buy stuff...
...and that helps the west stay wealthy. Poverty in Jamaica allows America to have a culture of excess consumption.

See Life & Debt and you'll know waht I'm talking about. There's not Jamaican dairy industry anymore because American companies are dumping subsidized powder milk on Jamaica. Powder milk is MORE expensive to produce and more energy-intensive than if Jamaica had a dairy industry.

In life and Debt they show a lot of farmland laying fallow and a lot of people with absolutely nothing. Guess what? That's why we can have a ridiculous culture of consumption in America and it's why we're wasting energy drying milk, shipping it to Jamiaca and reconstituting it with lots of big machines.

I'd be more than happy to see Jamaica develop -- to see Jamaica's dairy industry start up again. It might mean that a few CEO's back int he US can't buy another 72 inch TV and another BMW and a third home. But, hey. That's development.
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Toots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 02:14 PM
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4. The good news is trees grow back quickly there
In less than twenty five years the trees are fully grown where as the Tongass National Forest which Bush* is trying hard to eradicate takes centuries to regrow.
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hatrack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 02:46 PM
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7. No, they don't. Most soils in the Amazon basin are laterites.
Once the overlying vegetation is removed, the soils then bake in the sun and turn into a rock-hard, reddish hardpan. It's briefly suitable for scrub grasses and invasive plants, but original forest cover can't return.

The reasons are many and complex. Much of the problem has to do with the fact that a great deal of the productive biomass in the Amazon is the carpet of rotting vegetation on the forest floor, not the deep topsoil beneath, because there IS no deep topsoil beneath.

In addition, clear-cutting in tropical forests doesn't just change microclimates where the logging takes place, it appears (data still incoming) to alter regional climate and (potentially) may alter large scale climates to a hotter, drier regime.
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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 03:34 PM
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11. Exactly. n/t
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amazona Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 02:49 PM
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8. realistically once it's gone it is gone
The soy bean farmer is not going to allow the land to ever go back to forest.

All you have to do is to take a short stroll around Mississippi and see for yourself. The great forests will never return. They are gone forever. It is all agricultural and pine tree desert and it will never be otherwise, because the land owners make money growing these crops. They don't make money allowing the hardwood trees or a diverse forest ecology to grow back. The entire state except for the Natchez trace is a timber or agricultural plantation. And that is in the U.S. where we presumably have a right to complain about the extinction of the forest.

The hardwood tree as a class will be extinct worldwide in a few centuries, I really see no hope to believe otherwise. Oh, I'm sure there will be plantations, but healthy hardwood forests with complete eco-systems...it is hopeless. And people arguing that at least the wealth is better distributed in Brazil than in days gone by, what can you say to that, except that it really is hopeless because people are being bought off at every level and it is inarguable that they have a right to improve themselves. <head in hands>

The conservation movement is a breeding ground of communists
and other subversives. We intend to clean them out,
even if it means rounding up every birdwatcher in the country.
--John Mitchell, US Attorney General 1969-72


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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 02:44 PM
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6. Well, you need the space to plant the soybeans to
feed the cattle to make the methane to speed up global warming.

Reason number 2 to stop eating meat.

Granted, 100% of the deforestation isn't for cattle feed, but it's significant.
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humus Donating Member (130 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 06:54 PM
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18. development does not mean prosperity??
WE ARE DESTROYING OUR COUNTRY -- I mean our country itself, our land. This is a terrible thing to know, but it is not a reason for despair unless we decide to continue the destruction. If we decide to continue the destruction, that will not be because we have no other choice. This destruction is not necessary. It is not inevitable, except that by our submissiveness we make it so.


We Americans are not usually thought to be a submissive people, but of course we are. Why else would we allow our country to be destroyed? Why else would we be rewarding its destroyers? Why else would we all -- by proxies we have given to greedy corporations and corrupt politicians -- be participating in its destruction? Most of us are still too sane to piss in our own cistern, but we allow others to do so and we reward them for it. We reward them so well, in fact, that those who piss in our cistern are wealthier than the rest of us.


How do we submit? By not being radical enough. Or by not being thorough enough, which is the same thing.


Since the beginning of the conservation effort in our country, conservationists have too often believed that we could protect the land without protecting the people. This has begun to change, but for a while yet we will have to reckon with the old assumption that we can preserve the natural world by protecting wilderness areas while we neglect or destroy the economic landscapes -- the farms and ranches and working forests -- and the people who use them. That assumption is understandable in view of the worsening threats to wilderness areas, but it is wrong. If conservationists hope to save even the wild lands and wild creatures, they are going to have to address issues of economy, which is to say issues of the health of the landscapes and the towns and cities where we do our work, and the quality of that work, and the well-being of the people who do the work.


Governments seem to be making the opposite error, believing that the people can be adequately protected without protecting the land. And here I am not talking about parties or party doctrines, but about the dominant political assumption. Sooner or later, governments will have to recognize that if the land does not prosper, nothing else can prosper for very long. We can have no industry or trade or wealth or security if we don't uphold the health of the land and the people and the people's work.


It is merely a fact that the land, here and everywhere, is suffering. We have the "dead zone" in the Gulf of Mexico and undrinkable water to attest to the toxicity of our agriculture. We know that we are carelessly and wastefully logging our forests. We know that soil erosion, air and water pollution, urban sprawl, the proliferation of highways and garbage are making our lives always less pleasant, less healthful, less sustainable, and our dwelling places more ugly.


Nearly forty years ago my state of Kentucky, like other coal-producing states, began an effort to regulate strip mining. While that effort has continued, and has imposed certain requirements of "reclamation," strip mining has become steadily more destructive of the land and the land's future. We are now permitting the destruction of entire mountains and entire watersheds. No war, so far, has done such extensive or such permanent damage. If we know that coal is an exhaustible resource, whereas the forests over it are with proper use inexhaustible, and that strip mining destroys the forest virtually forever, how can we permit this destruction? If we honor at all that fragile creature the topsoil, so long in the making, so miraculously made, so indispensable to all life, how can we destroy it? If we believe, as so many of us profess to do, that the Earth is God's property and is full of His glory, how can we do harm to any part of it?

In Kentucky, as in other unfortunate states, and again at great public cost, we have allowed -- in fact we have officially encouraged -- the establishment of the confined animal-feeding industry, which exploits and abuses everything involved: the land, the people, the animals, and the consumers. If we love our country, as so many of us profess to do, how can we so desecrate it?


But the economic damage is not confined just to our farms and forests. For the sake of "job creation," in Kentucky, and in other backward states, we have lavished public money on corporations that come in and stay only so long as they can exploit people here more cheaply than elsewhere. The general purpose of the present economy is to exploit, not to foster or conserve.


Look carefully, if you doubt me, at the centers of the larger towns in virtually every part of our country. You will find that they are economically dead or dying. Good buildings that used to house needful, useful, locally owned small businesses of all kinds are now empty or have evolved into junk stores or antique shops. But look at the houses, the churches, the commercial buildings, the courthouse, and you will see that more often than not they are comely and well made. And then go look at the corporate outskirts: the chain stores, the fast-food joints, the food-and-fuel stores that no longer can be called service stations, the motels. Try to find something comely or well made there.


What is the difference? The difference is that the old town centers were built by people who were proud of their place and who realized a particular value in living there. The old buildings look good because they were built by people who respected themselves and wanted the respect of their neighbors. The corporate outskirts, on the contrary, were built by people who manifestly take no pride in the place, see no value in lives lived there, and recognize no neighbors. The only value they see in the place is the money that can be siphoned out of it to more fortunate places -- that is, to the wealthier suburbs of the larger cities.


Can we actually suppose that we are wasting, polluting, and making ugly this beautiful land for the sake of patriotism and the love of God? Perhaps some of us would like to think so, but in fact this destruction is taking place because we have allowed ourselves to believe, and to live, a mated pair of economic lies: that nothing has a value that is not assigned to it by the market; and that the economic life of our communities can safely be handed over to the great corporations.



We citizens have a large responsibility for our delusion and our destructiveness, and I don't want to minimize that. But I don't want to minimize, either, the large responsibility that is borne by government.


It is commonly understood that governments are instituted to provide certain protections that citizens individually cannot provide for themselves. But governments have tended to assume that this responsibility can be fulfilled mainly by the police and the military. They have used their regulatory powers reluctantly and often poorly. Our governments have only occasionally recognized the need of land and people to be protected against economic violence. It is true that economic violence is not always as swift, and is rarely as bloody, as the violence of war, but it can be devastating nonetheless. Acts of economic aggression can destroy a landscape or a community or the center of a town or city, and they routinely do so.


Such damage is justified by its corporate perpetrators and their political abettors in the name of the "free market" and "free enterprise," but this is a freedom that makes greed the dominant economic virtue, and it destroys the freedom of other people along with their communities and livelihoods. There are such things as economic weapons of massive destruction. We have allowed them to be used against us, not just by public submission and regulatory malfeasance, but also by public subsidies, incentives, and sufferances impossible to justify.


We have failed to acknowledge this threat and to act in our own defense. As a result, our once-beautiful and bountiful countryside has long been a colony of the coal, timber, and agribusiness corporations, yielding an immense wealth of energy and raw materials at an immense cost to our land and our land's people. Because of that failure also, our towns and cities have been gutted by the likes of Wal-Mart, which have had the permitted luxury of destroying locally owned small businesses by means of volume discounts.


Because as individuals or even as communities we cannot protect ourselves against these aggressions, we need our state and national governments to protect us. As the poor deserve as much justice from our courts as the rich, so the small farmer and the small merchant deserve the same economic justice, the same freedom in the market, as big farmers and chain stores. They should not suffer ruin merely because their rich competitors can afford (for a while) to undersell them.


Furthermore, to permit the smaller enterprises always to be ruined by false advantages, either at home or in the global economy, is ultimately to destroy local, regional, and even national capabilities of producing vital supplies such as food and textiles. It is impossible to understand, let alone justify, a government's willingness to allow the human sources of necessary goods to be destroyed by the "freedom" of this corporate anarchy. It is equally impossible to understand how a government can permit, and even subsidize, the destruction of the land and the land's productivity. Somehow we have lost or discarded any controlling sense of the interdependence of the Earth and the human capacity to use it well. The governmental obligation to protect these economic resources, inseparably human and natural, is the same as the obligation to protect us from hunger or from foreign invaders. In result, there is no difference between a domestic threat to the sources of our life and a foreign one.


It appears that we have fallen into the habit of compromising on issues that should not, and in fact cannot, be compromised. I have an idea that a large number of us, including even a large number of politicians, believe that it is wrong to destroy the Earth. But we have powerful political opponents who insist that an Earth-destroying economy is justified by freedom and profit. And so we compromise by agreeing to permit the destruction only of parts of the Earth, or to permit the Earth to be destroyed a little at a time -- like the famous three-legged pig that was too well loved to be slaughtered all at once.


The logic of this sort of compromising is clear, and it is clearly fatal. If we continue to be economically dependent on destroying parts of the Earth, then eventually we will destroy it all.



So long a complaint accumulates a debt to hope, and I would like to end with hope. To do so I need only repeat something I said at the beginning: Our destructiveness has not been, and it is not, inevitable. People who use that excuse are morally incompetent, they are cowardly, and they are lazy. Humans don't have to live by destroying the sources of their life. People can change; they can learn to do better. All of us, regardless of party, can be moved by love of our land to rise above the greed and contempt of our land's exploiters. This of course leads to practical problems, and I will offer a short list of practical suggestions.

We have got to learn better to respect ourselves and our dwelling places. We need to quit thinking of rural America as a colony. Too much of the economic history of our land has been that of the export of fuel, food, and raw materials that have been destructively and too cheaply produced. We must reaffirm the economic value of good stewardship and good work. For that we will need better accounting than we have had so far.


We need to reconsider the idea of solving our economic problems by "bringing in industry." Every state government appears to be scheming to lure in a large corporation from somewhere else by "tax incentives" and other squanderings of the people's money. We ought to suspend that practice until we are sure that in every state we have made the most and the best of what is already there. We need to build the local economies of our communities and regions by adding value to local products and marketing them locally before we seek markets elsewhere.


We need to confront honestly the issue of scale. Bigness has a charm and a drama that are seductive, especially to politicians and financiers; but bigness promotes greed, indifference, and damage, and often bigness is not necessary. You may need a large corporation to run an airline or to manufacture cars, but you don't need a large corporation to raise a chicken or a hog. You don't need a large corporation to process local food or local timber and market it locally.


And, finally, we need to give an absolute priority to caring well for our land -- for every bit of it. There should be no compromise with the destruction of the land or of anything else that we cannot replace. We have been too tolerant of politicians who, entrusted with our country's defense, become the agents of our country's destroyers, compromising on its ruin.


And so I will end this by quoting my fellow Kentuckian, a great patriot and an indomitable foe of strip mining, Joe Begley of Blackey: "Compromise, hell!"


.


WENDELL BERRY farms in Port Royal, Kentucky, with his family. He is the author of more than thirty books of fiction, essays, and poetry, including Citizen Papers, The Unsettling of America, and Another Turn of the Crank (essays); That Distant Land (stories); and A Timbered Choir: The Sabbath Poems 1979-1997. His new novel, Hannah Coulter, will be published this fall by Shoemaker & Hoard.

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chlamor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 08:40 PM
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19. Wendell Berry is one of the Greatest Thinkers/Poets/Essayists
of our time.

Welcome to DU humus. :toast:

Human- 'Soil Being'
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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 09:23 PM
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21. A big welcome to DU!!!
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-05 08:24 AM
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27. Rare Hurricane Hits El Salvador Coast
http://www.nbc4.com/weather/4510754/detail.html

PUERTO LA LIBERTAD, El Salvador -- Officials in El Salvador said Hurricane Adrian, the eastern Pacific's first hurricane of the season, is weakening.

The U.S. National Hurricane Center says the storm made landfall overnight with sustained winds of about 75 mph. And Adrian is the first recorded Pacific hurricane to hit El Salvador.

The country evacuated nearly 14,000 people ahead of time and closed schools.

Officials there said the storm knocked out power when it hit and washed out streets. They also said waves in the Pacific are getting higher.



I know this is off the Pacific coast but I can't help but wonder if deforestation plays a role in that, too. Remember that hurricane that formed off Brazil a year or so ago? The winds across South America aren't hindered by as many trees anymore.
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blindpig Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-05 10:23 AM
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28. I know nothing of Brazilian politics
But it seems to me that Lula is making an easy and bad choice. This has nothing to do with feeding Brazil and everything to do with commodities, It provides some employment but does not justify the permanent wreckage of one of the few intact ecosystems. If Lula wants to improve the lot of the poor why doesn't he redistribute some of the wealth? Is he a socialist or has he become just another politician?

Just because we and others have fucked up and ruined our country's environment doesn't mean that Brazil should follow our bad example. If we're not smart enough to figure it out then we will likely prove to be a failed species.
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chlamor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-05 10:26 AM
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29. Rainforest Loss Shocks Brazil
Rainforest loss shocks Brazil

John Vidal
Friday May 20, 2005
The Guardian


An area of the Amazonian rainforest cleared by soya bean farmers in Novo Progreso, Brazil. Photograph: Alberto Cesar/Greenpeace/AP
 

Deforestation in the Amazon rainforest last year was the second worst ever, figures released by the Brazilian government have shown. Satellite photos and other data showed that ranchers, loggers and especially soy bean farmers felled more than 10,000 square miles.

The figures shocked Brazil's environment minister, Marina Silva, who told delegates to the World Social Forum in Porto Alegre earlier this year that she believed that increases in deforestation had been stemmed and that illegal deforestation was under control.

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Environmentalists were dismayed at the figures, which were announced nearly a year after the Brazilian government pledged $140m (£76.25) to increase surveillance of threatened areas and create large environmental reserves.

"Agribusiness and illegal logging are key culprits. President Lula's government is facing a fundamental contradiction: to fight Amazon deforestation or to promote the expansion of agribusiness to pay the Brazilian external debt", said Paulo Adario, head of of Greenpeace Amazon. "The government needs to restrict soya plantations to areas already deforested, combat illegal logging, and effectively implement their own anti-deforestation plan", he said.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/brazil/story/0,12462,1488468,00.html
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Neoma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-05 04:43 PM
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30. Thats heartbreaking.
:cry:
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