Armor issued despite warnings

[norml]

Posted 5/8/2005 11:30 PM

Armor issued despite warnings
By Christian Lowe, Marine Corps Times
The Marine Corps issued to nearly 10,000 troops body armor that military ballistic experts had urged the Marines to reject after tests revealed life-threatening flaws in the vests, an eight-month investigation by Marine Corps Times has found.
In all, the Marines bought about 19,000 Interceptor outer tactical vests from Pompano Beach, Fla.-based Point Blank Body Armor. According to a government memo, the vests failed tests because of "multiple complete penetrations" of 9mm pistol rounds and other ballistics or quality-assurance tests.

After being questioned about the safety flaws for this story, the Marines ordered the recall of 5,277 Interceptor vests on Wednesday. Many of the vests were issued to Marines in Iraq.

The Marines have not said what they intend to do with more than 4,000 other vests still in use or about 10,000 in storage.



snip



http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2005-05-08-armor-investigation_x.htm?POE=NEWISVA

[saigon68]

1. They were made by the LOWEST BIDDER

Or a Bidder connected to Cheney or the BUSH CRIMINALS.

[merwin]

2. Are you kidding? they were most likely made by Haliburton

[LiberallyInclined]

3. Point Blank Body Armor of Pompano Beach Florida-

a subsidiary of DHB industries.

http://www.dhbindustries.com/

[leftchick]

11. No problem: "DHB Industries Posts Record 4th Quarter Results"

http://www.dhbindustries.com/earnings.asp#31605

[Up2Late]

4. Damn! They failed a 9mm pistol round Test! WTF?

A 9mm is a TINY round compared to what's fired from an AK-47! If those things couldn't stop a 9mm, WTF good are they? Are they hoping that the insurgency will only use .22 caliber and .32 caliber pistols?

This is BullShit!:mad:

[merwin]

5. Doesn't matter. They'll be blown up before they're shot.

[DoNotRefill]

9. It's a IIIA vest...

which will stop a 9mm at certain speeds (124 gr FMJ running 1400-1450 FPS is the standard for NIJ IIIA), but will not stop a 9mm if it's going fast enough or if it is using a heavier bullet.

An AK round, if the vest performed perfectly, would still produce a through and through wound.

[LiberallyInclined]

12. they also aren't good for multiple hits, are they?

I admit that i don't know much about guns or body armour- but doesn't being hit just once have a big effect on the overall integrity of the vests?

[DoNotRefill]

14. yes, it does....for ALL vests.

It's the nature of the beast. But still, any ballistic protection is better than cotton protection...

[othermeans]

6. Did you see how they blamed the media about having to recall the vests?!

"Brig. Gen. William Catto, head of Marine Corps Systems Command, told USA TODAY on Sunday that there is no evidence to indicate problems with the vests in use. But Catto said the Marines have no choice but to recall them because the questions prompted by media coverage will "cause doubts in the minds of our guys" using the vests."

[Miss Chybil]

7. Support the Troops! nt

[DoNotRefill]

8. One question...

Are these the standard anti-schrapnel vests? They've NEVER been bulletproof...they're designed to stop shell fragments, not bullets. A vest that would stop an AK-47 round would be MOST uncomfortable....it'd require not only the standard soft vest component, but the class IV trauma plates, which are big, bulky, and trap even MORE heat.

I spent a big chunk of my life wearing a IIIA vest. It made me sweat like a pig when it was 60 degrees out. I can't imagine what it would be like to wear one on 110 degree heat....

*ON EDIT*

A little more research tells me that these are ballistic vests, with a NIJ IIIA rating. That will stop FMJ 9mm rounds @ 124 grains @1400-1450 FPS. This is comparable with a short-barreled SMG shooting lightweight, lead core bullets. If you use steel-core bullets (which is both cheaper and more environmentally friendly) it'll blow right through a IIIA vest at the same speed. Most old-school communist-bloc era ammo uses a steel-core projectile, since it was cheaper to make and penetrated better.

[Up2Late]

13. I sounds like a worthless piece of equipment to me (for Iraq).

Sound like that vest would give a solder a false sense of security.

How do these compare to the "Body Armor" without the ceramic plates?

The lack of ceramic plates was a source of "Outrage" to the Armed Services Committee last year.

[DoNotRefill]

15. It's not worthless....

and they DO save lives, but body armor of ANY type isn't going to make people invincible.

These ARE the body armor without the ceramic plates. The ceramic plates (not all are ceramic, BTW) simply drop into a pair of large pockets in the front and back of the vest.

Trauma plates are a mixed blessing. Yes, they can stop rifle rounds in theory. The problem with them is that they further restrict mobility (they are a single sheet of material, and don't bend AT ALL, so it's a BIG restriction on mobility), and weigh a LOT, as in more than the soldier's rifle and basic ammo load combined.

[billyoc]

10. Thank goodness the insurgents don't have

any 9mm pistols. :eyes:

[NNN0LHI]

16. US Marines recall body armor amid safety questions (Won't stop a 9mm)

http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/N09690395.htm

WASHINGTON, May 9 (Reuters) - The U.S. Marine Corps has recalled body armor given to thousands of troops fighting in Iraq because of questions about whether it offers adequate protection, officials said on Monday.

The Marines bought 19,000 torso-protecting "outer tactical vests" from Point Blank Body Armor Inc. of Pompano Beach, Florida, but the vests failed tests by military ballistics experts involving 9mm pistol rounds. snip

The Marines defended the vests and denied risking the lives of troops in war zones by giving them poor equipment, arguing that the vests were vastly superior to the "outdated" flak jacket they replaced.

Even so, the Marines said they were recalling more than half of the roughly 10,000 vests given to troops deployed in Iraq, Afghanistan and missions in the Horn of Africa region because media coverage about safety questions would "sow seeds of doubt in the minds of Marines in active combat."

more

[gratuitous]

17. I sure hope this doesn't harm the supplier in any way!

Gosh, it would be just terrible for Point Blank Body Armor, Inc. to be held responsible for its totally useful and worthwhile body armor which the Marines are nevertheless recalling for no specific reason I mean it's better than holding up wet tissue paper so there's no reason to get all worried that the men are going into combat with inferior equipment and Point Blank shouldn't be the scapegoat for all this in fact they need a renewal of their cost plus contract because the company CEO is just so distressed over the matter and, uh, uhm. . . .

Look! Michael Jackson! Doesn't he look weird?

[DoNotRefill]

18. A few points:

We need to know the specifics of how they "failed". The vests in question are NIJ level IIIA, rated to stop a 124 grain lead-core FMJ projectile travelling at between 1400 and 1450 FPS.

Such a vest would not be expected to stop, for example, a 124 grain steel-core FMJ round travelling at the same speed, or a 124 grain lead core FMJ traveling at a faster speed, or a 147 or 156 grain lead core FMJ or JHP round travelling at a slower speed or equal.

Given a choice between being issued a defective vest which doesn't offer as much protection as it should, or not being issued a vest at all, I'd take the defective vest.

[Spinzonner]

20. We need to know why vests were issued to troops that didn't do their job

and yet the vendor was presumably compensated for inferior product.

Screw the how's.

The question is why there is no quality control by either the manufacturer or the government.

[DoNotRefill]

22. If there was no quality control....

then how did they fail the quality control test with the 9mm?

"Of the 14,000 vests not being recalled, 10,000 were from lots that were never accepted or fielded, the Marines said."

[Spinzonner]

24. Rather than try to weed through all your negatives in that sentence

why don't we just ask why 'more than half of the roughly 10,000 vests' are considered questionable if the quality control is dependable.

[DoNotRefill]

27. because they don't test every vest...

since testing a vest requires it's effective destruction. They had a few vests fail, so they recalled entire production runs.

What we need to know is the differences between the two sets of tests that were conducted. It's entirely possible that the military tests were conducted with ammo bought on the surplus market (the military has been absolutely screaming for ammo since the Iraq war started, and obtaining it from widely divergent sources). If the cause of the failure is what I think it is, it's not the vest's fault.

[Boo Boo]

25. A couple points RE your points

1) Isn't the choice between defective or nothing sort of contrived? Where's the third option; that is, the vest that actually works. By "works" I mean designed for the mission. Certainly, the Marines must have requirements for the equipment they buy, or are they just ordering stuff out of the back of SOF magazine?

2) Seems to me that the hollow point would be the easiest to stop of the bullets you mention, regardless of the weight. I've seen hollows turn themselves inside out passing through a piece of fruit. Typical JHPs just deform too much to penetrate well, IMO. In any case, 9mm Military Ball ammo is something in the neighborhood of 112 - 115 grain, at 1260 fps.

Whatever. Roadside bombs and RPGs are responsible for the overwhelming majority of combat casualties. The body armor should protect against these threats to whatever degree the Marines establish as a design criteria. Stopping a 124 grain bullet at 1500 would be fairly decent, that would at least give you a chance against an AK at longer ranges, but this vest isn't doing that, apparently.

:shrug:

[DoNotRefill]

26. Oh, man...

The NIJ reqs are screwed up enough without having to create an entire new set of reqs. While the Marines ain't exactly ordering out of the back of SOF, they ARE adapting technology that was originally developed for civilian use (in LE) to the battlefield. And most cops don't have to deal with shrapnel. And the fact remains that a "defective" Level IIIA vest is FAR more effective in stopping projectiles than the old "flak" style vests.

Stopping a 124 grain bullet at 1500 fps will not do shit to stop an AK round at any point within it's effective range. Yeah, it'll stop an AK round fired from 1500 yards away, but the effective range for the AK is 400 yards tops.

The marines have developed a bulletproof vest that is generally effective against your average, small IED and small arms fire, which is what they're encountering. It's called a "tank", and a single one will fit three or four marines simultaneously.

In a hundred years, it may be possible to design an effective set of man-portable body armor that will do what the Marines need it to do in Iraq now. Given current technology, however, that ain't gonna happen.

BTW, with the heavier weight JHPs, it's a matter of weight plus velocity equals penetration. JHPs don't deform in the air, it takes contact and penetration for them to deform to their limit.

[Boo Boo]

29. Agree that armor with wheels on it

is the best answer to IEDs, but it ain't the only answer. Soldiers need good body armor. Sure, more/better armored vehicals would also be nice, but one would think that we'll have new vests long before we have new armored vehicals. Then again, maybe not. In any case, the Marines identified a need. Perhaps they are being honest and really were only trying to make their grunts feel safer, but we've been talking about this armor situation for quite some time now, and apparently we're still waiting for a solution. How many years do ya reckon it will take?

Reminder: This vest we're talking about failed to stop a 9mm round, and the round used by the military is 9mm NATO Ball ammo. 112gr. @1260 fps. All this talk of various civilian defense round recipes is interesting, but kinda besides the point.

Bearing that in mind, I stand by my previous remark about 9mm JHPs and penetration. I shot a 9mm JHP through a cardboard box (case of beer) filled with upright empty beer bottles, it was completely destroyed, nothing came out the other side but a few tiny little slivers. I've read of a documented police shooting where a 9mm was stopped by heavy leather clothing. I've no doubts at all that plain old 115gr. Ball @1150 fps. will penetrate better at close range than the fancy JHP defense loads I've used. You can prove this to yourself by simply shooting through a board.

Example 7.62 x 39 ballistics: Remington Express; 125 grains @2365 fps; 1783 fps. @200yds; 1533 fps @300yds; 1320 fps @400yds. That's out of 24" barrel, so the AK won't do as well. By 300 yards we should be getting within the range that this vest was apparently supposed to stop. So a vest like this could provide useful protection from bad guys trying to whack you from far away.

[DoNotRefill]

30. Dude, it failed to meet NIJ standards....

which is a 124 gr at 1400-1450 fps. The Marines don't HAVE a separate set of standards. And, for example, the Military DOES issue 147 grain 9mm to some people for their SMGs. It's not all 112 grain ball.

Remember, the standard used is for subguns, and is dependent upon a wide variety of factors, including dampness, which is often the cause of a busted test (the synthetics offer far poorer ballistic protection when they are even slightly damp).

A IIIA vest is much more than a psychological towel. And read up about the tactics currently being employed....It's almost all a MOUT operation, so it's not like it's taking place at long ranges where an AK round will have lost enough velocity to be stopped by a IIIA vest.

Regarding the time frame, we have troops there fighting and dying NOW. It would be far better to just issue the damned things, defective or not, rather than NOT issue them at all and leave the troops out there with NYCO "bulletproof BDUs". This isn't a situation where we can either issue now or wait a year and do it right, it's a situation where they need everything they can get, and ANY delay WILL cost lives. Better to issue twice than issue once after more people die.

[Boo Boo]

19. Won't stop a 9mm!

This would meet my definition useless. I love the way they blame the media for the screw-up! Amazing. We're recalling 10,000 vests not because there is anything wrong with them, but because the media has sown the "seeds of doubt." That's insane.

They really ought to run this stuff by an adult before releasing it.

[rocktivity]

21. More outsourcing?

...The Marines bought 19,000 torso-protecting "outer tactical vests" from Point Blank Body Armor Inc. of Pompano Beach, Florida, but the vests failed tests by military ballistics experts involving 9mm pistol rounds. However, the Marines said the body armor subsequently passed tests by a private firm.
A defense contractor in the land of Jeb Bush who lucked out when their product passed a civilian test if not a military one? Hmmm...

"This is the best quality equipment we could field," said...a Marine spokesman at the Pentagon. "I would wear this vest in combat...(it) is not designed to stop bullets...(it) is designed to stop shrapnel."
So all they have to do is give the soldiers a bulletproof vest to put on TOP of it, duh!

:eyes:
rocknation

[DoNotRefill]

23. there's no such thing as a bulletproof vest.....

because ANY vest will fail if it's hit with a big enough or fast enough projectile.

We need to find out how the military and civilian tests were performed in order to know if they met the standards or not.

[KBlagburn]

28. Marines Recall Combat Vests After Tests

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050510/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/marines_body_armor


9 minutes ago

WASHINGTON - The Marine Corps is recalling 5,277 combat vests issued to troops in Iraq, Afghanistan and Djibouti after a newspaper article raised concerns that they failed a test to determine whether they could stop a bullet.

The Marines said in a statement they are recalling the vests to alleviate any doubts caused by a Marine Corps Times article published Monday, but service officials insisted they do not believe the vests are faulty.

The armor in question is called the "Outer Tactical Vest" and it is part of the Interceptor body armor package issued to troops in combat zones. The vest, when combined with protective plates, is designed to stop a rifle round.

Without the plates, the vest should still provide some protection against 9 mm pistol rounds and fragments from an explosion. But several vests manufactured by Point Blank Body Armor of Pompano Beach, Fla., fell short of the Marines' standards during testing in 2004, according to Capt. Jeff Landis, a Marine spokesman.

[Sgent]

31. I really can't add to the technical stuff

But I can tell you 5 years ago the Marines, which are the worst equipped troups of our armed forces, were still wearing WWII Flak Jackets. More precisely, they weren't wearing them.

The flack jacket might have been marginally useful at stopping artillery, but was useless against any type of firearm. I personally know many infantrymen who bought their own (personal) bullet proof vests similar to what cops wear for their Kosovo deployment.

The marine issue flack jackets, like the boots at that time, were a joke. No marine out of basic used either -- either the privately purchased their own, or just didn't wear it. 40 pounds of uselessness.

This new vest may not stop a 9mm, but its still a step up.

[noamnety]

32. USA Today left out a key point

The recall effort is slightly hampered by the fact that they don't know WHICH vests to recall.

"While each vest has a unique serial number on it, Point Blank would not provide a list of serial numbers from the lots Natick said should be rejected. Point Blank said that information was “proprietary.”


~snip~

"The Corps faces serious challenges in even locating the vests it plans to pull back. Because lot numbers, serial numbers and other manufacturing data are handwritten on body armor labels, the writing is sometimes smeared, faded or otherwise illegible."

http://www.armytimes.com/story.php?f=1-292925-832873.php

[ausiedownunderground]

33. The vests work, but there are "shoddy" batches issued that don't

At 1,450 feet per second velocity, a 9mm bullet, which is not a bullet used by the Iraqi Guerrillas, did not penetrate for a likely kill 90% of the time. However a second shot had a 50% chance of a kill if the soldier was still standing! However batches of these Interceptor vests had much lower rates of likely survival from both the first bullet and the second bullet. The problem is that there are defective vests being worn by some American soldiers and they don't know it? This is incredibly "shoddy" American quality control. If your son or daughter is killed wearing one of these vests, through the vest, get their friends to grab the vest and hide it for transportation back to America, for investigation. The company that makes these vests is run by a Women called Sandra Hatfield? Issuing all the batches of vests with some good and some not so good has to be "Negligent"!!! Take note lawyers!!

[noamnety]

34. From the July memo

4. The COTR recommends disciplinary action against the contractor to resolve the issue. Instances of this nature have been occurring regularly over the past year and have been brought to the attention of the Robert Morris Acquisition Center.

http://www.armytimes.com/content/editorial/pdf/mc.vests_doc10_3.pdf

[norml]

35. Marines Recall Combat Vests After Tests

Marines Recall Combat Vests After Tests
Associated Press
May 10, 2005

WASHINGTON - The Marine Corps is recalling 5,277 combat vests issued to troops in Iraq, Afghanistan and Djibouti after a newspaper article raised concerns that they failed a test to determine whether they could stop a bullet.

The Marines said in a statement they are recalling the vests to alleviate any doubts caused by a Marine Corps Times article published Monday, but service officials insisted they do not believe the vests are faulty.

The armor in question is called the "Outer Tactical Vest" and it is part of the Interceptor body armor package issued to troops in combat zones. The vest, when combined with protective plates, is designed to stop a rifle round.

Without the plates, the vest should still provide some protection against 9 mm pistol rounds and fragments from an explosion. But several vests manufactured by Point Blank Body Armor of Pompano Beach, Fla., fell short of the Marines' standards during testing in 2004, according to Capt. Jeff Landis, a Marine spokesman.



snip



http://www.military.com/NewsContent/0,13319,FL_vests_051005,00.html

[SoCalDem]

36. Sad, but I guess BAD armor is better than NO armor.

The scandal is that the US taxpayers paid good money for those armor items,and did so to protect our sons/daughters/husbands/Dads/Moms, and even though the contractors who MADE them pocketed good money, they decided to make them in a shoddy and cheap manner.. Shows how patriotic they are, eh??

[Ian David]

37. Point Blank Body Armor / DHB Industries- Insiders dumped shares?

About DHB Industries Incorporated

DHB Industries Inc.'s Armor Group is a provider of body armor to the military, law enforcement and federal agencies.

Its subsidiaries, Point Blank Body Armor, Inc. (http://www.pointblankarmor.com) and Protective Apparel Corporation of America (PACA) (http://www.pacabodyarmor.com) are focused on the design, manufacture, and distribution of bullet resistant and protective body armor for military, law enforcement, and corrections in the U.S. and worldwide.

DHB Armor Group's customers include the U.S. Army, Air Force, Navy, Marines, Coast Guard, Secret Service, FBI, DEA, INS, ATF, NATO, U.S. Marshals, the NYC Police Department, the LA Police Department, and the California Highway Patrol.

DHB’s Sports Group (http://www.ndlproducts.com) produces and markets a comprehensive line of athletic supports and braces, which are merchandised through national superstore chains including Wal-Mart, Walgreen’s, Long’s Drug Store, Target and Meijer, as well as private label distributors such as Amerisource, Bergen and Cardinal Health.

DHB maintains facilities in Westbury, NY, Pompano Beach, FL, Deerfield Beach, FL, Oakland Park, FL, Jacksboro, TN, and Arlington, VA.

To learn more about DHB Industries, Inc., visit the website at http://www.dhbindustries.com.


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Anyone wanna help?

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DHB Industries Inc
400 Post Avenue, Suite 303
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Phone: [phone]
Fax: [phone]
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Web Site: http://www.dhbt.com/

OFFICERS
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Chairman, Chief Exec. Officer

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Pres, Director

Dawn Schlegel
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WFT is "Like a Prayer Trust"?
http://biz.yahoo.com/t/97/5213.html
28-Dec-04 LIKE A PRAYER TRUST (DB)
Chief Executive Officer 330,074 Planned Sale $521,1401


21-Nov-04 PALISADES MASTER FUND LP
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Ask about the Insider Selling in Nov/De
by: jlc19482005 05/10/05 04:50 pm
Msg: 199603 of 199631

I hope the analysts tear into Brooks today.

Ask about Terry getting too sweet a deal and the $2M brooks charged on corporate credit card and his $2M bonus and 750K $1 options each year.

Ask when he is leaving?

Ask if there are suitors? Why the visit from AH?

What about Dawn and the lack of sound accounting about the inventory and the need for the forensic Accounting firm...

Ask the big questions while Brooks in the audience.

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Marines Recall Combat Vests After Tests
Re: Marines Recall Combat Vests After Te
by: hello_bagholders
Long-Term Sentiment: Strong Sell 05/10/05 04:57 pm
Msg: 199638 of 199649

That was why insiders dumped most of their shares last Nov-Dec. They knew the shit was hitting the fan. This is a real nice group of criminals running the asylum

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[Ian David]

38. DHB Industries Insiders

HPC CAPITAL MANAGEMENT: Declared Holdings
22-Oct-03 33,333 DHB Planned Sale
(Estimated proceeds of $160,000)
http://biz.yahoo.com/t/95/4869.html


PALISADES MASTER FUND LP: Declared Holdings
1-Nov-04 33,333 DHB Planned Sale
(Estimated proceeds of $600,000)
http://biz.yahoo.com/t/53/4823.html

BROOKS, ELIZABETH INDS INC.,PR B.D.: Declared Holdings
29-Nov-04 1,500,000 DHB Planned Sale
(Estimated proceeds of $28,350,000)
http://biz.yahoo.com/t/89/5184.html

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NADELMAN, GARY: Declared Holdings
29-Nov-04 102,374 DHB Sale at $19.61 per share.
(Proceeds of $2,007,554)
29-Nov-04 83,624 DHB Option Exercise
29-Nov-04 102,374 DHB Planned Sale
(Estimated proceeds of $2006530.4)
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SCHLEGEL, DAWN: Declared Holdings
29-Nov-04 149,503 DHB Sale at $19.61 per share.
(Proceeds of $2,931,753)
29-Nov-04 177,006 DHB Option Exercise
29-Nov-04 149,503 DHB Planned Sale
(Estimated proceeds of $2,931,753)
http://biz.yahoo.com/t/56/5176.html

KRANTZ, JEROME: Declared Holdings
30-Nov-04 31,050 DHB Sale at $18.72 per share.
(Proceeds of $581,256)
30-Nov-04 31,050 DHB Planned Sale
(Estimated proceeds of $577,530)
29-Nov-04 85,176 DHB Sale at $19.61 per share.
(Proceeds of $1,670,301)
29-Nov-04 85,176 DHB Option Exercise
29-Nov-04 85,176 DHB Planned Sale
(Estimated proceeds of $1669449.6)
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BERKMAN, BARRY: Declared Holdings
30-Nov-04 12,500 DHB Sale at $18.79 per share.
(Proceeds of $234,875)
29-Nov-04 32,120 DHB Sale at $19.61 per share.
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CHASIN, CARY LAWRENCE: Declared Holdings
30-Nov-04 62,000 DHB Sale at $18.57 per share.
(Proceeds of $1,151,340)
30-Nov-04 62,000 DHB Planned Sale
(Estimated proceeds of $1,151,340)
29-Nov-04 46,496 DHB Sale at $19.61 per share.
(Proceeds of $911,786)
29-Nov-04 46,496 DHB Option Exercise
29-Nov-04 46,496 DHB Planned Sale
(Estimated proceeds of $911,786)
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LIKE A PRAYER TRUST (DB): Declared Holdings
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(Estimated proceeds of $521,140)
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(Estimated proceeds of $12,573,259)
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HATFIELD, SANDRA: Declared Holdings
29-Dec-04 65,000 DHB Sale at $19.6464 per share.
(Proceeds of $1,277,016)
28-Dec-04 24,426 DHB Sale at $19.7566 per share.
(Proceeds of $482,574)
28-Dec-04 89,426 DHB Acquisition (Non Open Market)
28-Dec-04 89,426 DHB Planned Sale
(Estimated proceeds of $1,766,754)
29-Nov-04 180,119 DHB Sale at $19.61 per share.
(Proceeds of $3,532,133)
29-Nov-04 180,119 DHB Option Exercise
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(Estimated proceeds of $3,532,133)
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BROOKS, DAVID H.: Declared Holdings
29-Dec-04 1,916,914 DHB Sale at $19.10 per share.
(Proceeds of $36,613,057)
28-Dec-04 858,267 DHB Sale at $19.8774 per share.
(Proceeds of $17,060,116)
27-Dec-04 2,538,744 DHB Sale at $20.9448 per share.
(Proceeds of $53,173,485)
23-Dec-04 84,100 DHB Sale at $20.064 per share.
(Proceeds of $1,687,382)
22-Dec-04 400,000 DHB Sale at $18.5982 per share.
(Proceeds of $7,439,279)
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29-Nov-04 3,669,756 DHB Option Exercise
29-Nov-04 3,700,000 DHB Private Sale at $18.90 per share.
(Proceeds of $69,930,000)

Search Criteria:
Donor name: BROOKS, DAVID H
Cycle(s) selected: 2004, 2002, 2000
http://www.opensecrets.org/indivs/search.asp?NumOfThou=0&txtName=%0D%0ABROOKS%2C+DAVID+H&txtState=%28all+states%29&txtZip=&txtEmploy=&txtCand=&txt2004=Y&txt2002=Y&txt2000=Y&Order=N



More insider trades:
http://finance.yahoo.com/q/it?s=DHB

[noamnety]

39. There's another DUer researching over here

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x3623358