Secret Service records raise new questions about discredited conservative

[jasmeel]

http://rawstory.com/exclusives/byrne/secret_service_gannon_424.htm

[msanthrope]

1. Here we go. n/t

[caligirl]

12. No shit, what was he doing or who was he doing? Look at this

"Guckert made more than three dozen excursions to the White House when there were no scheduled briefings. On many of these days, the Press Office held press gaggles aboard Air Force One—which raises questions about what Guckert was doing at the White House.

On at least fourteen occasions, Secret Service records show either the entry or exit time missing. Generally, the existing entry or exit times correlate with press conferences; on most of these days, the records show that Guckert checked in but was never processed out.

In March, 2003, Guckert left the White House twice on days he had never checked in with the Secret Service. Over the next 22 months, Guckert failed to check out with the Service on thirteen days. On several of these visits, Guckert either entered or exited by a different entry/exit point than his usual one. On one of these days, no briefing was held.

“I’d be worried if I was the White House and I knew that a reporter with a day pass never left,” one White House reporter told RAW STORY. “I’d wonder, where is he hiding? It seems like a security risk.”"

[jasmeel]

18. How normal is it for someone to check in and not out?

Is the Secret Service that incompetent? OR was he staying overnight??

[caligirl]

25. not checking out, or erasing records(hunch)would cover a multitude

of sins.

[burn the bush]

67. I don't think they erased them, they never filled them in

that way, no one can be blamed.

[XemaSab]

305. Very normal

AT THE BATES MOTEL!!!!

[radar]

216. Heh...

"... one White House reporter told RAW STORY. “I’d wonder, where is he hiding? It seems like a security risk.”"

...And this quote/unquote reporter, is not pursuiing this BECAUSE.....????

Someone slap these bums with a reality check

[screembloodymurder]

241. Gannon will be disappeared.

End of story. My guess is Gannon was doing Ari.

[sickinohio]

293. Maybe Ari, Maybe Rove?

or LAURA???

[ClintonTyree]

295. That's what I was thinking...

Laura. Maybe "Bulldog" is Laura's "special friend". That could account for that glazed look in her eyes. He is Bi I hear. Hell, he was probably doing the entire gang.

[sickinohio]

300. Sure is a possiblity, isn't it?

She's one that would be at the WH when the chimp is gone. So would Rove. And, they'd both have the authority to give Guckwhatever clearance. Wouldn't that be cool if it ends up being Glossy-Eyed-Xanax woman herself?? HeHeHe!

:rofl:

:popcorn: :smoke: :evilgrin: :think:

[MetaTrope]

248. So has anyone overheard Guckert refer to Bush as "my husband" yet?

:freak:

[spooky3]

2. Can someone explain the significance of this?

Does it contradict any official claims made by the White House?

[DulceDecorum]

5. Hotel California?

Guckert made more than three dozen excursions to the White House when there were no scheduled briefings. On many of these days, the Press Office held press gaggles aboard Air Force One—which raises questions about what Guckert was doing at the White House.

On at least fourteen occasions, Secret Service records show either the entry or exit time missing. Generally, the existing entry or exit times correlate with press conferences; on most of these days, the records show that Guckert checked in but was never processed out.

In March, 2003, Guckert left the White House twice on days he had never checked in with the Secret Service. Over the next 22 months, Guckert failed to check out with the Service on thirteen days. On several of these visits, Guckert either entered or exited by a different entry/exit point than his usual one. On one of these days, no briefing was held.
http://rawstory.com/exclusives/byrne/secret_service_gannon_424.htm

[autorank]

19. ? By "gaggles" do you mean parties for the WH staff/press office?

If they were WH parties, then this has real National Inquirer sleaze appeal.

[htuttle]

37. A press 'gaggle' is an off-the-record press conference

...for 'background' information.

In other words, there was a press conference on Air Force One, but Guckert showed up at the White House itself for some reason. The question, of course, is what Guckert was doing at the White House when the press conference was somewhere else.

[autorank]

115. Thank you. Now I get it (I think). Maybe he does "plumbing" or

something in addition to being a "reporter"...er..."xerographer."
:hi:

[ebayfool]

228. Wouldn't the wh press guy be at these 'gaggles'? If so, then was *ush ...

present at these 'gaggles'? Again, if so - who's left at the ol' white homestead? Rove &/or Cheney? Hmmmm ... checking the travel lists to see who was on the plane those days might narrow down just who was 'entertaining' jimmy/jeff?

This is soooo good, patience comes & all that!

[arcos]

129. Fucking Scottie of course...

;)

[brettdale]

21. Thats it?

Thats the big breaking important news story?

I dont think i will bother sending it out.

[DulceDecorum]

76. Guckert's gate

In March, 2003, Guckert left the White House twice on days he had never checked in with the Secret Service. Over the next 22 months, Guckert failed to check out with the Service on thirteen days. On several of these visits, Guckert either entered or exited by a different entry/exit point than his usual one. On one of these days, no briefing was held.
http://rawstory.com/exclusives/byrne/secret_service_gannon_424.htm

By the time ground was broken in the spring of 1833, water was still provided by two original wells located in the breezeways between the house and wings. Laborers dug three reservoirs: one at the Treasury, one at the State Department, and a third at the White House. At the reservoirs, stonemasons set bulky platforms or "pedestals" where the pipes came to the surface. Water flowed freely through the pipes, which by means of grading were kept on a decline to the pedestals, where the water formed spout-like fountains that shot directly into the pools. Situated on pedestals were pumps made of iron and trimmed with brass, protected by wood pumphouses.

The system was largely functional by the end of May 1833. The motion produced by the splashing fountains kept the water in the reservoirs from stagnating. A deep bed of clean sand was the filter through which the water passed in its movement within the pool. The pipes from the pools to the building were buried in the ground. Since the pipes had a to carry water to great heights inside in the entire building at the house, the hand pumps provided the necessary pressure. A pump attendant who took care of reservoirs worked the handles at intervals, filling the pipes as well as the small tin cisterns that had been installed to serve each hydrant.

These pipes were unearthed in 1928, as described in the Washington Sun: "Workmen engaged in street widening operations about Franklin Park have uncovered what engineers declare to be perhaps the last vestige of the original water supply system for the White House. A cistern with a tunnel leading toward the White House was uncovered near the comer of 13th and I Streets. The cistern was built of well-made brick masonry, with a subterranean tunnel leading down 13th Street."
http://www.theplumber.com/white.html

Where EXACTLY does GannonGuckert claim to live?
In Washington DC, that is.

[burn the bush]

101. he lives near 8th and I streets

[caligirl]

137. The Marine Barracks are at 8th and I

[burn the bush]

149. yep, he lives right down the street from them.

[SlavesandBulldozers]

121. that's okay

anybody you'd send it to would probably put it in the trash anyway.

[mike_c]

32. ok, but would looking at any other WH press regular...

...turn up similar patterns of visits that don't always coincide with scheduled press conferences? Is this pattern really as anomalous as the Byrne article makes it out to be? I don't know, but in the absence of that information, it's hard to decide whether this story has any real relevance. We already knew that Guckert was not your average MSM hack. The only thing I see here that's interesting-- unless this pattern of visits was in fact significantly abnormal-- are the holes in the SS logs. That is intriguing, and maybe disquieting. It suggests either deliberately concealing the information ("Joe, Bulldog is coming downstairs-- don't log him.") or some rather shoddy neglect of security procedures. The latter are VERY unlikely, especially more than once.

Still, I'm not certain what legs this story really has, in its present form.

[zann725]

267. Seems that someone(s) in Secret Service is also unhappy with JG visits,

or it seems the "discrepancies" in these logs would never have been forwarded to the press. "Someone(s)" want to talk, it would seem.

As Martha Stewart would say, "That's a good thing."

[katty]

279. Yes, some are unhappy SS-bushes are a sick lot

and they are fed up with protecting them and covering for more than bodily protection.

[KansDem]

287. Yeah! And bailing the twins' drunk friends out of the drunk tank!

From March 5, 2001

The Secret Service - It would appear that the Secret Service have acquired yet another new role under George W. Bush. Along with protecting the president and busting down the doors of junior satirists (see Idiots Week 6), they are also required to pick up underage alcoholics from the local drunk tank. After the recent TCU booze-up, Jenna Bush's "boyfriend" William Ashe Bridges (Nash to his friends) was thrown in jail for public intoxication. Four hours later, Secret Service agents showed up in a black Chevy Suburban, bailed him out, and give him a ride home. Now this may seem an unusual way of spending the public's tax dollars, but think about it - bearing in mind this guy's connections, it's entirely possible that the Secret Service were just protecting our future president! Nash Bridges in 2032!


http://www.democraticunderground.com/top10/01/top10_2001_08.html

[tinrobot]

24. Some significance.

The fact that he visited the White House outside of press conferences means he had some sort of business with White House oficials. What business would he have in the White House? With whom?

The White House also claimed he was just another reporter. I'm curious as to how many reporters got that sort of unfettered access.

Add in the fact that he was a gay hooker and you certainly have the start of some serious questions.

(edit:spelling)

[spacelady]

118. Good questions n/t

[Eloriel]

160. Unfettered and UNDOCUMENTED access - or poorly documented

I'm amused (but bewildered) at the folks I've read so far that don't see any legs to this story. Thought you summed it up nicely:

Add in the fact that he was a gay hooker and you certainly have the start of some serious questions.

[Liberty Belle]

167. Especially if these visits were over-nighters.

[MADem]

166. Someone went out front and grabbed him out of line

Offices are assigned badges that they can use to whisk people through. You have to either sign in or out in these cases (or have a lackey do it for you, like they do with bigwigs). They need to match the numbers on the badges to the offices they are assigned to. There's your answer...just gotta look. And maybe ask that blond gal that signed him in all those times...did Scotty hire her?

[alcibiades_mystery]

3. pffffft

That's the sound of a big build-up deflating.

That story makes me shrug "So what?"

[wakeme2008]

7. SS does not allow people to check in and not check out

without a REASON.

[alcibiades_mystery]

26. The story says it is "unusual" to do so

Not that it almost never happens, or that it is unheard of. Unusual. I'd like to hear more about that, but I won't assume facts not currently in evidence on that point.

[lala_rawraw]

39. right, press secr. does not have that authority over SS, only higher ups d

[Carni]

62. IMO it has to be Rove

As I assuming bush would have been on AF1 when these gaggles took place--who else would have that higher up clearance?

Unless he swings both ways and Laura was his paramour? (OK now even I can't stomach that)

[Tess49]

77. Okay, that made me spit Libby's peaches on the floor! Funny!

Laura and anyone is almost unimaginable.

[Carni]

83. The vision of Laura and that weird bald individual just isn't good lol

Ok - now as if Rove would be any better LOL

I think I know why you spewed fruit after reading my bizarre remark!

I have embarrassed and confused my own self! :|

[DulceDecorum]

87. About those Special ops swingers .....

April 4, 2005
Five days out at sea, he was unexpectedly called to the officers' quarters. He made his way to the small office, where he was introduced to a lieutenant in the Army Special Services, a division that was the precursor to today's USO.

"He informed me, very matter-of-fact, of three things," Tommy remembers with absolute clarity. "That I was still in the service, that I would still be considered a part of my unit, but that I was going to be working undercover for the Special Services from then on."

The lieutenant reminded Tommy that he had auditioned at Camp Riverside for possible "entertainment opportunities" in the service.

"Well," said the lieutenant, "you got the job."
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/features/20050404-9999-mz1c04work.html

What was Laura supposed to be doing on those Guckert days?

Since December 2004, all but one of Gannon’s forty-eight temporary appointments were requested by Lois Cassano, a White House Press Office media assistant. One additional request was made by Peter Watkins, a press assistant who now works as deputy press secretary to First Lady Laura Bush.
http://rawstory.com/exclusives/byrne/secret_service_gannon_424.htm

lala says that Lois is a former make-up person at Fox.
What Madame Butterfly deal do we have going on?

[Carni]

94. Well... she would have known where no nuts was, definitely

On those days that the top goon was otherwise engaged on AF1

Anything is certainly possible (unappealing but possible lol)

I think Rove looks more the type to be interested in a goon like Gannon...I still cannot believe such an unattractive screwy acting person commanded such $$$ per visit in general!

[vanboggie]

237. Ick. Or was Poppy visiting? eom

[MADem]

168. I would not be so sure about that n/t

[lala_rawraw]

10. Um, the man went in

and did not leave... he came on days when there was no press conference and on days where the press club was on air force one... in other words, the guy had access not as a reporter, but as someone with the highest clearance to just come and go as he pleased, let in by a press aide through a side door. how is that not important?

[troubleinwinter]

16. What are these "requests"?

"Since December 2004, all but one of Gannon’s forty-eight temporary appointments were requested by Lois Cassano, a White House Press Office media assistant. One additional request was made by Peter Watkins, a press assistant who now works as deputy press secretary to First Lady Laura Bush."

[lala_rawraw]

31. she used to work for fox as a make up artist

right, what are these requests... what is this espionage? he is getting is brown envelope of instructions? is this not in our national security interest given that he can just come and go?

Here is what people might consider writing to their elected officials about:

1). Why did a person with no credentials, false background, fake name, and working for a small tiny conservative blog get this kind of access?

2). Why, when it is still not legal to be a prostitute, hence a crime, did this person get this kind of access?

3). What and who was he visiting over night, given that he is a criminal and "just a blogger"

4). Why are these the only records... if he had appointments, would there not be other records?

5). Why, in short, is this man allowed to plant false stories, leak possibly dangerous information, and in general make political statements on behalf of the president when he is nothing more than a hooker?

6). Why will the white house not investigate these questions and why will the Senate and House not push them to?

7). Who was paying him?

8). Why is his entire background a mirage... does he not have a history, if he does, where is it?

[troubleinwinter]

45. lala.... you misunderstood my question?

I am asking what are these "requests"? I don't understand these and have never heard of them. Does someone need to be "requested" by an insider to access a press conference?

"Since December 2004, all but one of Gannon’s forty-eight temporary appointments were requested by Lois Cassano, a White House Press Office media assistant. One additional request was made by Peter Watkins, a press assistant who now works as deputy press secretary to First Lady Laura Bush."

[lala_rawraw]

97. Clearance, day pass

Notice the date/times at the beginning ... he has more in/outs then, not later. That means he knew the person before and that means he set up this news organization already knowing that person. Also, the requests, while made by the press people, still require that the SS/FBI vet him and he has to be escorted in and around the WH. A press secretary does not have that kind of authority. That means he know the person before he setup his fake news thing and that this person is high up on the food chain.

This, however, is not even the biggest reason as to why this story is important. We cannot ask for an investigation based on planted stories, we can, however, as for an investigation when the protocol is broken and is done so to let a criminal (prostitution is a crime in D.C.) into the White house... the case for this is national security and this is our best shot at an investigation. That, I think makes this highly important, even though everyone else does not seem to think so.

Thanks sweetie for pushing this... hope it did not disappoint you as well, but really, I do believe this is highly important is many ways, but there are no nude pictures:(

[Liberty Belle]

170. Have you cross-checked travel schedules for Rove, Bush,

the WH Press Secretary and anyone else potentially in the closet? If Guckert only gained private access on days a certain someone was in town, that would raise a few eyebrows, I'd think.

[Eloriel]

177. *I* think it's pretty damn important

What's that old line about that politicians can survive just about anything but having a live boy or a dead girl in their beds?

I think we've got our live boy....

But if it's nothing other than extremely poor Secret Service performance, IMO that's quite bad enough - ESP since the guy is, after all, a self-admitted criminal, and apparently damn proud of it.

I LOVE this story. I hope we get to find out lots more about it. Too bad I don't think we can count on any of our fine Dem Congresspeople to do a damn thing about it. Oh well.

[lala_rawraw]

187. thank you... wait, I keep saying

Thank you and it is not my story, lol. Well thank you anyway.

[flyarm]

312. THANK YOU LA LA I THINK ITS DANG IMPORTANT!! AND THIS IS WHY!!

my hubby worked for a major sports..during clinton presidency..he went to the white house numerous times..his sport had a rokkie program to keep the kids off drugs and gambling..each winter they would do a huge program for the rookies and at the end of such meeting( weekend) they would go to the white house to meet clinton..well this one time i am discussing..it happened to be on the night the vote was being taken in congress to impeach..
each person going with this sports group was vetted by the secret service...they boarded a bus in va and got a police escort to the white house..
when they arrived one reporter was stopped..and not allowed in with the group..because it seems he had protested the vietnam war in montreal..he was canadian and a top sports writer for the toronto star newspaper..well the secret service had records of him protesting some 30yr+ ago..and he was held up until the event was almost over..and he had done nothing illegal..he protested like so many other youth in college..he just happened to be candian and it happened at univ of montreal..but the secret service had his name!! from 30+ yrs ago!!

so it is plain bullshit to think the cia didnt know guckert was a prostitute, and had outstanding taxes owed in delaware..and that they didnt know even what type undies he wears!
they know everything!!
and they darn sure know who's boy guckert is!! and who he is spending nites with!!

thank you so much lala..you are right on the money..this is big news and this is dangerous news...

my co-workers were killed on 9/11 and not for nothing ..this is a security breach...to think anyone is in the white house and not vetted alone is giant news..add to that this guy had access to the white house as a so called reporter before he was even with a phoney blog news outfit..( before talon news existed!!)

if a top notch sports reporter for a top world newspaper couldn't get into the white house..pre- 9/11..

how the hell did this guy get in post 9/11?? 200 times without being vetted..and spend nights there...what other reporters have gotten into and out of the white house without signing in or out??
what if he was a terrorist..thats where the questions have to lead...

if gannon could get in who else is getting in?? spies?? terrorists??
people who want to take over our government??
you are darned right this is a huge story!!!!

keep up the great work lala!!!
you are a dang great reporter!! proud to know ya!!

fly

[bush_is_wacko]

326. lawla, I am FAR from disappointed!

For all the reasons you have previously mentioned. The "requestees" are basically one step removed from the CIC from my view and THAT is substantial. Heck it's hard to believe no MAJOR White House figure was involved with Gannon in some way in order to swing this kind of access. Conyers and Slaughter aren't dummies. It means a lot to them to get this info out, which means to me that the implications are substantial. Intermingle Raw Story's revelations with the fact that "Gannon" has been rumored to be the Plame leak and the fact that he had foreknowledge of the specifics regarding Iraq. Kind of makes me wonder if "Gannon" and Plame are in the same job category. And sex is used as a method of gaining information all the time. Anyone that doesn't believe that is extremely ignorant of the history of famous spies.

The story has a whole lot of implications. I just hope America will DEMAND this investigation be done. This is a whole lot bigger IMO than the initial story that led to the whole Watergate scandal.

I don't care what you are hearing here THIS IS BIG. If there is anyone with any power left to force this, I think we will be awed by the end result.

MatiHari anyone?

http://www.eyewitnesstohistory.com/matahari.htm

She took on the name Mata Hari and was soon luring audiences in the thousands as she performed in Paris, Berlin, Vienna, Madrid and other European capitals. She also attracted a number of highly-placed, aristocratic lovers willing to reward her handsomely for the pleasure of her company.

With the outbreak of World War I, Mata Hari's cross-border liaisons with German political and military figures came to the attention of the French secret police and she was placed under surveillance. Brought in for questioning, the French reportedly induced her to travel to neutral Spain in order to develop relationships with the German naval and army attaches in Madrid and report any intelligence back to Paris.

In February 1917 Mata Hari returned to Paris and immediately arrested; charged with being a German spy. Her trial in July revealed some damning evidence that the dancer was unable to adequately explain. She was convicted and sentenced to death.

[spacelady]

123. Excellent questions n/t

[Robeson]

290. All are good questions.

[Goldmund]

17. Let's not get ahead of ourselves here...

"he came on days when there was no press conference and on days where the press club was on air force one"
'
For all we know, the visits could have been... um... Platonic.

:evilgrin:

[lala_rawraw]

36. my guess...

they were strategy meetings

[burn the bush]

111. yeah, he was probably just pumping someone for information for a story

[ellenfl]

120. lol, burn! eom

:rofl:

ellen fl

[shanti]

140. or he was pumping someone...

:P

[jamesinca]

Maybe someone was pumping him

pumping him, full of information that is. Maybe this is how he knew of the Valarie Plame thing before Novak reported it. I think that shows he was planted right in the seat, of power that is. It could be that there was a mole, or gerbil in this case, at the WH and it was Gannon. Butt seriously, do you think this will ever get play time in right wing America?

[chimpymustgo]

299. Your post is hilarious!

LOL

[jamesinca]

306. It was my first crack at improv comedy

Thanks

[alcibiades_mystery]

23. The records don't say he didn't leave

That is an inference from the records. The records say he did not check out, which is another thing altogether.

Now, I'm not a parser of language, but I did find this particular language telling:

"Others who have covered the White House say not checking in or out with the Secret Service is unusual." (Emphasis added)

Unusual. Uncommon. Rare. Unheard of. The problem I'm having is that I have no basis for comparison. Now, if I did have a basis for comparison, I'd be happy to say this is very fishy, but rright now I don't have enough information to say that. What does unusual mean in this context? I'm not sure, but I'd love to find out.

And before the flames really start, let me say that I'd play devil's advocate here, and provide the arguments of those who would shrug this stuff off.

[DoYouEverWonder]

69. Didn't they have all the records for Monica Lewinsky?

I seem to remember that during the hearings they had very detailed records of her comings (no pun intended) and goings. Even the telephone logs had lots of gory details.

[stevedeshazer]

127. Yup...it was all over the news

It's even in the Starr Report!

I found a reference to this in section II C of the narrative portion, thus:

" Ms. Lewinsky testified that Wednesday, November 15, 1995 -- the second day of the government shutdown -- marked the beginning of her sexual relationship with the President.(146) On that date, she entered the White House at 1:30 p.m., left sometime thereafter (White House records do not show the time), reentered at 5:07 p.m., and departed at 12:18 a.m. on November 16.(147) The President was in the Oval Office or the Chief of Staff's office (where Ms. Lewinsky worked during the furlough) for almost the identical period that Ms. Lewinsky was in the White House that evening, from 5:01 p.m. on November 15 to 12:35 a.m. on November 16.(148)"

Jeezus, I just "Starr-ted" reading this soft porn masterpiece...might as well since we helped pay for it.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/special/clinton/icreport/icreport.htm

[Liberty Belle]

174. Bingo! The Lewisnky comparison is perfect.

If she's the only precedent we can find for someone who had such unprecedented access, that raises the suspicion level significantly. Monica was having an affair with a President.
Is this the case with Guckert? If not, it must be someone very high up to gain him this sort of access.

[BornLeft]

86. I agree somewhat.

Our Nazis are't as efficient record keepers as the old Nazis. But a dollar says he is boffing Uncle Pervy Rove.

[lala_rawraw]

100. john wrote this quickly, so he left out some direction, but...

by not checking out, he essentially either had a higher up waive that for him or he did not leave the WH, either way, it looks bad. since a reporter is the source, the reporter is saying "unusual" means "fucked up" lol

[flyarm]

313. considering this is post 9/11

and a terrorist could get or try to get access to the white house..and its the most guarded place perhaps in the world..and we spend billions upon billions to protect the white house and president...don't you think..unusual is pretty alarming??
especially when it was so easy for all of us to find his prostitution web sites and pron sites?? and easy to access his tax defaults?? just we little ole bloggers..and we are to believe the secret service didn't have this ifo..pleaseeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee....i guarentee the secret service knows if he wears fruit of the looms or bvd's!!

unusual means..it just doesn't happen!!

fly

[bleever]

27. We can cross-check the times with other WH officials, n'est-ce pas?

Thanks, lala.

[understandinglife]

38. Precisely. This is major. Anyone who knows anything realizes it. Thus,....

....why did Congressman Conyers or/and Congresswoman Slaughter have to turn to Raw Story to deliver the message?

The answer to that is an even bigger story.

And, what happens between now and tomorrow am that made getting this story out tonight so important to those two members of Congress?

Peace.


www.missionnotaccomplished.us (The.Day.WE.BEGIN.............)

[fooj]

50. You bet it is! This has got "Explosive" written all over it!

Peace.

[alcibiades_mystery]

53. Well, I'm Joe Regular at the coffee shop

As someone who apparently don't know shit, please convince me that this story is of any interest at all.

It'll be good practice when you really run into people outside the DU echo chamber who want to know why they should fucking care about this.

[jimshoes]

108. Hey,

Watergate was just a two bit break in. If no one would have investigated that bit of skullduggery, Tricky Dick would not have resigned his Presidency. Same thing applies here. Take your pick. Investigate or don't. I frankly pick investigate further. That is how I would respond to someone who doesn't know shit, as you say. Where there's smoke, there's fire they say.

[Lorien]

117. A criminal with no legitimate credentials (even Monica

was an intern at least) had extraordinary access to the WH, and apparently participated in spreading propaganda FOR the WH. If Gannon had been a FEMALE hooker and this were the CLINTON WH, the press would be a pack of rabid wolves on this story.

[Im with Rosey]

171. Simply the fact that he was there

He had NO reason to be there on some of the occasions no other members of the press were there. You should also go to archives and read other thoughts from Understanding Life, he's like the old commercial, when he speaks I listen. I think there will be something that comes out of this, if nothing else, Conyers is on it and we know he doesn't take anything lightly.

[alcibiades_mystery]

179. I fully affirm that the story merits more investigation

Perhaps that public affirmation will get some of the DU Commisars downthread off my back.

That said, I can't know what his reason for being there was, and neither can you. Since I don't know what White House press folks do (on day passes or otherwise), I cannot leap into the assumption that he was there for devious purposes, even when there wasn't a press conference. Can I assume he was up to no good? Sure. And, in fact, I do assume that. But I don't have enough information to affirm it, and the story doesn't provide that evidence. That's my only point.

[lyonn]

211. Gannon's close Repub friends

Maybe his connection with Talon which was a Repub site that had important Texas R's running it gave Gannon special White House privileges.

[Im with Rosey]

256. Just a comment about having

respect for others here. It seems to me that it is too easy to hurl insults around here. I have more respect for those that clearly think through their comments than those who simply jump in with negativity. This deserves more careful consideration than some of us are willing to give before we opine so negatively. Your point is well-taken about information and we have to wait for more, but I believe some things are just too unusual to dismiss.

[Rockholm]

244. Repeat after me...Monica.

[MADem]

274. And MONICA had a FEDERAL BLDG permanent card!!!

That is where that famous smiling picture of her came from--some operative pulled the digital image out of the ID records.

She worked for Ken Bacon at the Pentagon...all that was needed for her to get access is for someone in authority (Bettie Currie, e.g.) to notify the gate and leave her name. Once she is in the system, she can get a temp (one day) pass without too much strain.

[Carni]

257. Joe regular...a male whore was given special access in post 9-11 US

One that has his photo all over the Internet bragging about being a "top" etc etc

Joe regulars everywhere would raise an eyebrow over that one.

A person such as Guckert could be a blackmailer being employed by a foreign entity to bring down the admin (at least that was part of the RW'ers argument about Lewinsky and she wasn't a prostitute or a person using a false name--she had been fully cleared to be IN the WH)

[alcibiades_mystery]

265. We know that now

But did the Secret Service know that then?

Everyone seems to be assuming that whoever OK'd Guckert's pass (on the SS side) would do the kind of background check that the kos diarists did, and follow through those links, and get those records that Americablog got, etc., etc. That is, the Secret Service background check would automatically find all the male prostitute stuff (because the SS is rigorous as hell and knows everything). But the SS document now on rawstory says nothing of the kind. It appears that Guckert was given temporary appointments, at least on the days listed in the SS response letter, published here:

http://rawstory.com/exclusives/byrne/secret_service_responds_gannon_425.htm

The Secret Service wording on this is clear:

For a temporary appointment to the White House press briefing room, the White House press office will submit to the U.S. Secret Service the name and personal identifiers (name, date of birth, place of birth and Social Security number) of the individual seeking the appointment. The U.S. Secret Service then conducts criminal history checks using Federal/ Local Law Enforcement and Secret Service criminal data bases. If there is a finding of criminal history, the Secret Srvice makes a determination as to the applicants suitability for access.

That's it. That's the background check. Not a complete and exhaustive review of the person's background (which would surely have turned up the man whore links), but a criminal history check using Federal/ Local and Secret Service data bases. So, you tell me, did the Secrte Service know he was a male prostitute when they passed him through on these temporary passes? Show me some evidence (other than "They must have known because they are the Secret Service and they know everything!") that they did, or even could have, given their procuedures.

[stanwyck]

298. McClellan said all journalists

getting press passes were fully vetted and subject to security clearances.

[alcibiades_mystery]

303. Right...and the Secret Service (in their own documents) describes such

"vetting" as a criminal background check using Federal/ Local, and Secret Service databases. That's how THEY describe it, not me. So what else are they doing during the "vetting and security clearance" process? They say that the only procedures they use for day passes requested by the press office are criminal background checks. So there are two options here given the evidence:

1) Scott McClellan is referring to the background check procedure used and stated by the Secret Service as in the letter when he says "vetted and given security clearance." (Nobody is lying; it's just that the procedure is much more rudimentary than otherwise thought. OR, McClellan is half-lying, because he knows "fully vetted and subject to security clearance" will be interpretted as a much more rigorous process, when it is in fact only a background check through law enforcement databases).

2) People are subject to much more extensive background checks when the Press Office requests passes (The Secret Service is lying about their procedure in the response to Conyers and Slaughter, or withholding information at the very least).

I'm happy to hear about more options if people think of them, but at this point, I'm willing to believe that the Secret Serevice did not lie to Congress about their procedures. In which case, the Secret Service couldn't possibly have known about GiGi's man whore activities, since he was never arrested for them.

[stanwyck]

297. How about the infamous Homeland Security?

Bush is going to keep us all safe. Guckert got press credentials denied to Maureen Dowd, who had covered Washington for years, as well as Helem Thomas because, as Scotty McClellan claimed "security issues following 9-11". Yet Gucket used an alias (unacceptable for White House press passes) and has a totally faked background. Yet McClellan claimed all journalists getting passes to the WH had to undergo security clearances..which could take months. Guckert was admitted six days after the GOP sponsored blog was created. He was never a Marine (according to Quantico). And his journalistic experience consisted of publishing press reports, verbatim.
And, as it turns out, Guckert earned his living as a prostitute.
So, Mr. Joe Regular, what exactly is it that you care about if you don't care about post 9-11 security. Or even a red-blooded American's fascination with sex.

[alcibiades_mystery]

304. In the response to Conyers/ Slaughter linked above

The Secret Service described their "security clearance" process as follows:

The Press office sends over a request for a pass (one of three kinds, Guckert always received the temporary passes), then the Secret Service does a criminal background check using Federal, Local, and their own databases. If the subject clears the background check, then the subject is admitted. That's all they say about their procedure. So, I don't know where you're getting "months" of background checks (impossible, really, for a day pass). That's simply not how the Secret Service describes its own procedures for entry. So, if we're talking just a criminal background check, nothing about Guckert being a fake Marine or a fake journalist would have come up, nor would it have been relevant. Nothing about Guckert's man whore activities would have come up (though I think it would have been relevant had the Secret Service been aware of it!). And, as the record indicates, Guckert DID use his own name for the purpose of getting a pass, and his pass WAS listed under Guckert. Point being -ACCORDING TO THE SECRET SERVICE'S OWN REPLY TO CONGRESS - the Secret Service does not conduct the kind of background check that would have turned up any of this information.

So, either McClellan is lying about the process of security clearance for day passes, or the Secret Service is lying to Congress about their own procedures. Is this shoddy security. You're goddamn right it is, but that's the evidence we have at this point. I might, as a red-blooded American, be concerned that Secret Service procedures appear extremely lax for press passes, but that would be a procedure issue, and not a scandal. I might also be fascinated by the saex angle here, or I might say that the Secret Service - according to their own statements - couldn't have known about that, and that it would be plausible that nobody clearing Guckert through knew about it, since he wasn't being vetted to the extent he's been investigated since. At which point again, I'd say "Where's the scandal?"

[stanwyck]

308. McClellan himself

when asked by the press about Guckert/Gannon said that all journalists, including those receiving day passes (denied to hundreds of other journalists), were vetted. And aliases were not allowed. Face it. Guckert was not vetted. He was a plant. He was protected. Your defense is admirable. But misguided.
By the way, I imagine you haven't made your mind up yet about the WMD in Iraq. Despite the numerous commissions saying "we were wrong."
Also, you might as well defend Faux also...Hannity referred to Gannon as a "distinguished journalist". Guess he doesn't check his sources. And doesn't know how to use Google.

[alcibiades_mystery]

310. Don't be absurd

The question is the character of the vetting process. Can you tell me what McClellan meant when he said "vetted." Show me his detailed description, please. Oops. You don't have one, because he never provided one. But the Secret Service did provide a description of their own vetting process, and all it includes for day passes is a criminal background check. PERIOD. Please feel free to show me how "vetted" means any more than that in the context of McClellan's statements. My contention is that McClellan decptively uses "vetted" knowing that people like you will ASSUME it means a "thorough" background check, when all it IN FACT means is a rudimentary criminal background check. How do I know that all it means is a rudimentary criminal background check? BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT THE SECRET SERVICE SAYS IT MEANS, in writing. Where do you get the idea that it means more than a rudimentary criminal background check? OUT OF YOUR OWN IMAGINATION. Also: you may want to check the documents again: Guckert used HIS REAL NAME for his day passes, and the Secret Service presumably used that name for their procedures. Follow the fucking plot here, please.

Now, on to your disgusting accusations about me.

1) The war in Iraq was based on lies and is criminal in character. Those associated with its prosecution at the administrative level should be charged with crimes against humanity and thrown in jail. Is that fucking clear enough for you?

2) I do not watch, nor would I ever defend, the despicable propagandists at Fox News.

3) It is quite clear that Mr. Guckert was neither distinguished, nor a journalist. It's not clear why you think I would defend that piece of shit, but I'm guessing its because you have a childish worldview in which anybody who disagrees with you automatically agrees with every point of your enemies. I'll leave you to your Manicheanism, especially since you haven't even come close to addressing my points.

Finis

[stanwyck]

322. Guckert got his press passes

under Jeff Gannon, which is the name he used on Talon News. McClellan acknowledged that no reporters, even for day passes, are allowed to use aliases. Your information is incorrect. If you saw the presidential news conferences, you saw Jeff Gannon being called on by President Bush.
This is all covered in length on other threads here at DU. Check out the rawstory link. Gannon obtained the day passes. Not Guckert.

[alcibiades_mystery]

327. You are the only one on this thread who believes that: You're wrong

What part of the linked documents are difficult for you to understand?

Take a look:

http://rawstory.rawprint.com/0405/guckert_access_a1

Here is a link to the Raw Story site, with the original Secret Service documents. Do they say "Jeff Gannon" or "James Guckert"? Here's a hint: Check by "Query by...Last Name: Guckert." Also, check the "User Last Name" column and "User First Name" column. Here's how they read: Guckert, James. So, either you don't know how to read, or you are fucking wrong.

The Secret Service received requests for day passes for James Guckert. Otherwise, they wouldn't list his name on the passes as "User First Name" and User Last Name." It has become abundantly clear that either you haven't read these documents (that everybody else on this thread is referring to) or that you are completely incapable of readinf standard English. Get a clue, follow the thread, then come back and argue when you know what the fuck you're talking about.

[stanwyck]

332. I got my info

from Maureen's Dowd column about Guckert/Gannon in the NYT. Perhaps my info is as faulty as your spelling, syntax, and childish reliance on using "fuck" to make your point.

[alcibiades_mystery]

334. I'll take that as meaning you're beat here

since you have nothing of substance to add, and have reverted to the ultimate of embarrassing online behavior, calling your interlocutors on typos. I'd love to hear more about the syntax errors, but I guess I can good and well fucking forget that, huh stanwyck?

[flyarm]

314. come on spell it with me...

T E R R O R I S T S!!!!!!!!!..if gannon /guckert could get in and pass up all the white house security and protecol..with his background ..so could a terrorist..!!

fly

[proud2BlibKansan]

33. It IS a big deal

Sounds like a big security breach to me. We peons can't take lighters on to airplanes but a gay hooker is running rampant through the WH???

[manxkat]

128. wrong -- a gay ESCORT is running rampant

through the WH. Show the guy some respect. ;-)

[proud2BlibKansan]

136. oh so sorry

must
use
correct
terminology

:rofl:

[MadisonProgressive]

162. Yeah, and don't forget, he's only a top... He's very proud of that.

[flyarm]

315. ok.........

now never in my life did i think i had to respect a male hooker..but i'll go with you on this one..lmao!!

fly

[DearAbby]

59. Remember this is the Time of Heightened alert....Homeland security ring

a bell...I mean they had the parade route for * inaugural look like a May Day Parade in USSR...and this reporter has unlimited and unchecked access in the White house...you don't find that odd? :shrug:

[SmokingJacket]

95. Evidence that a prostitute came into the WH for NO stated reason...

and that's a "so what"?

Finally there's some evidence on paper of the funny business.

[leftchick]

238. I think the "No Check out times" are damning!

Who did you spend the nights (PLURAL) in the WH with JimmyJeff?

[ellenfl]

116. this is pretty sloppy work for an admin that claims to be making

us safer. how many people do you think have this kind of access to the wh? how many of them have questionable credentials and a porn website? was rove on the plane or was gannon HIS plaything. i would think this is a more serious offense than the monica l. affair . . . especially for this holier-than-thou group.

of course they are good at 'do as i say, not as i do'.

ellen fl

[lostnfound]

249. If any kind of prostitute during Clinton years? Sound of impeachment nt

[wakeme2008]

4. Sounds like he SPENT the night in the WH

to me.....

[jasmeel]

8. That's what I thought too-did he spend the night? With who?

Why was he at the White House when the rest of the press was on Air Force One for the press gaggle?

[progressivebydesign]

307. Sounds like the Press Gaggle was a wild goose chase..

..guess Jeffy felt comfy being at the White House while anyone that would have recognzied him was sent out for press events elsewhere. He is SOOOO doing George.

[MelissaB]

9. Sounds like he was "visiting" somebody to me.

I wonder if we will ever find out who?

:popcorn:

[flyarm]

316. and to think........

the right wing had their tittys in a ringer over renting out the lincoln bedroom to married folk!!..wonder how they justify a gay hooker in the lincoln bedroom rent free??

fly

[NV Whino]

11. The question is:

Who was in residence when Guckert "spent the night?"

[burn the bush]

92. how many people sleep at the white house and how many would be there

during the noct hours for work?

I'm thinking Scotty is his special friend but does Scotty normally stay at the white house himself? No, he wouldn't he'w married, so he might use the whitehouse for his trist anyway. How can we find out if he was there or not?

Are there other records that can be requested that would show who else was at the white house on these days?

[NV Whino]

134. This is the most secretive, security conscious White House

there ever was. There have to be records (sign-in/out sheets) up the kazoo. I expect there are also video cameras in every corridor.

[Carni]

258. In the case of the more suspect visits was Ari in office or was he gone?

On these occasions where Guckert was at the WH and didn't sign out etc, do we know the specific dates?

Was Ari F still there as PS, or was McClellan serving that function?

If these took place before Ari left...did they continue to occur,
or start to occur more frequently?

I personally don't think Guckert's connection was Fleisher or McClellan because I think if that were the case Guckert would have been banned after Ari left--or that McClellan would have been forced to resign after the outing of Gannon/Guckert.

I do have a hunch that Fleisher resigned because of Guckert's access--I think he wanted to get out and cover his own ass so to speak.

I think within this Guckert story something huge is lurking.

[MADem]

273. Ari left with almost no notice, on July 14

I think the situation became untenable for him. And note what happened that day and the days after his farewell party....no more sneaking around, perhaps?

7/14 11:33 - 1:32 (Ari's goodbye party) (12:03-12:56)
7/15 12:15 (no exit) (12:38-1:23)
7/16 12:26 - 2:05 (12:50-1:20)
7/17 4:43 - 6:13 (12:36-1:17 -- doesn't match)

[Carni]

277. YEP! That is EXACTLY what I noticed!

I just have a very strong hunch that Ari's departure had a lot to do with the Guckert scenario.

[Totally Committed]

14. Yes, but with whom?

This story really stinks to high heavens... You would think the MSM would be all over this! It has sex, intrigue, lying, security risks... If this story goes nowhere, it will prove once and for all that the MSM is bought and paid-for.

TC

[rodeodance]

41. "It has sex, intrigue, lying, security risks"--te he (hey msn-where are

[Eloriel]

185. Yeah, but it's gay sex involving republicans -- major no no material

and/or major yawn material, depending on how you look at it. MSM won't touch it, I'm sure. This will go NOWHERE, I'm 95% sure.

[Carni]

71. Yeah I wondered about that as well

Now who actually sleeps at the WH and who remains behind when there are events on AF1?

Not being a smart ass--I honestly do not know.

I would imagine regarding overnighters that we are talking Bush himself, Laura, Rove on occasion and maybe assorted other staff--

Who typically would be in the WH when the press gaggle was on AF1?

[MADem]

329. JimmyJeff should have changed his name to HONOR, not Gannon

...and he could have brought his leather friend DIGNITY with him...that way, chimpy would have told us the truth when he said he would bring HONOR AND DIGNITY back to the White House!!!

[jazzjunkysue]

6. Gay prostitute "coming" and going and staying in the white house

Wonder which members of the staff require the skills of a professional sodomist? Hmmm....

[mike_c]

13. so was the rush to get this out Sunday night...

...to be the first to report it, or is there another story bearing down on Monday morning that would have eclipsed it?

This story is disquieting, but it's hardly shocking. I don't think anyone really believes that ole' Bulldawg was just the luckiest news service intern wannabe on the face of the Earth. However, the fact that his comings and goings need further explanation isn't really exciting news, IMO. Maybe the explanation-- if it is ever uncovered-- will be interesting, maybe not. At this point I wonder whether this particular revelation is worth the hype that built all afternoon.

[alcibiades_mystery]

43. you and me both, mike_c

Remember a few short hours ago people were wondering...ahhh...impeachment? This thing looks for all the world like a series of clerical errors. Build-up completely unnecessary and certainly anticlimactic.

Now, a lot of folks are gonna be nice and pretend this is the biggest story since Watergate, but I'd be shocked if this went anywhere at all in its current form. Be happy to eat my hat over that if it does travel, though.

[bvar22]

60. There are NO "clerical errors"

... at the MOST HEAVILY SECURED location in North America.
Are you really going to hypothesize that someone (especially a gay prostitute) could casually come and go at White House WITHOUT the Secret Service making a NOTATION of the time and date (and undoubtedly a time stamped video)?????

The ONLY WAY this could happen is if it was ordered to happen!

[understandinglife]

133. PRECISELY. (nt)

www.missionnotaccomplished.us (The.Day.WE.BEGIN............)

[Rockholm]

245. Remember, "Since 9/11, everything changed"

to quote every fucking republican. Yes, since 9/11 we keep pretty tight records concerning the WH. Or, you would THINK they would. Hell, the WH is SURROUNDED by armed men and jersey barriers asnd this "reporter" was able to get within 10 feet of the president.
This whole is reeks and the MSM had better pick this up. It is a shame that the MSM will not do anthing to diplease this admin.

[lala_rawraw]

79. Um... okay, let me spell it out for you...

1). The FBI and SS said they vetted him fully
2). He said he was a regular blogger who just got lucky with a day pass
3). He turned out to be working as an operative for GOP
4). He turned out to be financed by Texas friends for Bush
5). He turned out to be a hooker

YET, the SS and FBI all said that they followed strict procedures. That means someone at the top, as can only be, had to suspend regular procedures for him to run around the white house like this. That means instead of being a GOP plant, he is working for someone directly high up in some way. That means this puts the owness on the White House, not the SS or the FBI or even the press secretary. Only someone high up could suspend these procedures. That is big news, sorry to burst your bubble. That does answer a question... although we don't know who, we know for sure that it was someone higher up and had the authority to overrule the SS. We know that this person may have had a residence in the White House.

We also know that it was probably during this time that he got all of the info to print or talking points. So, whomever he saw he knew for a while, given all of the meetings like that were early on and whomever it was is higher than scottie... yes, this is important and proves Gannon is lying, not the SS.

[alcibiades_mystery]

141. My bubble is not burst, dear

I'm just not convinced that procedures were suspended, as you claim.

The article gives no basis for comparison, which means most of your assertions are at this point quite windy leaps.

You should also not take this criticism as personal. You provide a good, fully researched story, and I'll be the first person to trumpet it. You provide this kind of story, with insufficient information to draw conclusions, and I'll call it insufficient.

[BornLeft]

148. I have an idea.

You go on a tour of the White House and try to get lost from your group. See how long you last before they hunt you down and throw you out. Then you have something to compare the "clerical" errors with.

[alcibiades_mystery]

154. No. Show me John King's or Helen Thomas' log for the same time period

That would be the basis for comparison. Since I am not a frequent visitor to the White House (matter of fact, I've never been there), I would expect that I don't have much in the way of leeway. If I am there four or five times a week, maybe folks forget to swipe a card from time to time. That's the point. Is it unlikley that this kept happening? Sure. I think the place is locked down pretty tight. But I also think I know a little bit about how routine works, even in security, and how a familiar face gets much less scrutiny than a non-familiar face (oh, it's Guckert...log him out...yeah, in a minute, I'm busy with these reports, etc.)

After looking at the times (posted below and on Raw Story, I have to say that my hackles are up a bit, and the in-and-outs are starting to look fishier, but it is interesting that even on the non-briefing days he usually shows up at briefing times, and on the non-exit/entry days, he shows up at briefing times. Weird stuff.

[MADem]

172. You CAN'T forget...unless you go out the employee's door

Then you might be able to get two out for the swipe of one. See where I am going with this?

[BornLeft]

247. I am just saying

that this is where the nuclear "football" was and we have suspected "whore" <stop calling him a prostitute,he is a whore plain and simple> running around undocumented and whereabouts unknown.

[Carni]

259. For comparison--20 years ago I worked at a big three headquarters

You could not get in ANY of the engineering buildings without showing your photo ID and signing in.

They were sticklers about it and they didn't care if they saw you every day for five years--you still went through the motions or you didn't get in AND if you didn't have your badge your supervisor was called and you had to be escorted in.

Now that was an auto company pre-terror days and we are talking about the WH here.

IMO there is no way things are so warm and fuzzy with the SS at the WH that they just wink and nod and let a guy through because they are used to seeing him.

[MADem]

271. Not if you have a card swipe system, like they do at most Fed Bldgs

You get a visual/vehicle check going in the gate, and use your card to swipe the card reader to open the employee door.

I can see this happening, especially if you used one of your temporary (they are "permanent" in that they are plastic with a stripe/number on them, but no photo) cards to get the person in. For example, DIGNITARIES X, Y, and Z come to visit. They don't have to go through (obvious) security or stand in line or even wear a badge, but some factotum goes and swipes three cards and enters their names in the system, to maintain the record. When they leave, the procedure is reversed. But the factotum is doing all the swiping.

There were a couple of occasions where his access was denied, and he stood around, waiting, while SOMEONE went and got him. Whassup with THAT? He pulled out his cell and made a quick call, is what I think happened, and Scottie sent Blondie to go get him.

They need to talk to that blonde gal who used to work at Faux, who did all the JimmyJeff signing in...

[Carni]

275. Ok I see what you're saying

And I agree what's up with him being so important that they come and get him immediately?

[MADem]

283. The other thing I notice in this discussion (not YOU, mind)

...is that there is a general impression that Scottie would not have had the "power" to effect these shenanigans on his own. Quite frankly, I think that is horseshit. A SGT working for a General often has more day-to-day administrative authority than a Major or a Colonel who works down the hall from the seat of power. It is important when looking at this whole picture to see the RELATIONSHIPS on a PERSONAL LEVEL, not simply look at the boxes on an organizational chart.

I keep harping on this, but it is important. ARI WAS THE OUTSIDER, the FRONT MAN, the PUBLIC FACE. Scottie, on the other hand, CAME WITH CHIMP FROM TX, and had been with him since 99. Very often, #2 is the power behind the throne--the Kingmaker. I know this work dynamic well, I have seen it through the years. Sometimes the front man gets disgusted, tired of having his authority questioned or overridden, the staff sees it, senses the weakness, and behaves accordingly, there's interoffice drama, and the front man leaves. I think that is what Ari did. But he was no fool, he left on a nice note, so he could get a good job in the private sector. But he left, as quickly as he decently could--and he left not long after JimmyJeffy started coming to the WH.

If you look at the timeline, the monkey business with JimmyJeff's curious access started at the end of FEB, Ari tendered his resignation in May, and was gone a scant month and a half later, on Bastille Day, of all dates to choose. That was QUICK in Government Land.

This is so obvious to me, having seen it (no, haven't seen gay hookers in government, but I have seen these odd work dynamics at fairly high levels). It just smacks of favoritism, funky leadership and a skewed organizational chart to me.

[Carni]

284. I was also thinking Scotty wouldn't have the pull

But you certainly make some good points.

In addition to get conspiratorial...Scotty's Dad is the one who wrote the book claiming Johnson was in on the Kennedy assassination (which I find convenient given the buzz about bush the first and the whole Zappata CIA agent George bush thing)

[MADem]

285. And his mama was a former TX mayor

Make no mistake, that "kid" is connected. He's the proverbial SGT in the General's office, if ya take my meaning!

[Carni]

289. His brother is also in the admin

I have forgotten what function he serves but I recall hearing he's another bush staffer of some kind!

[flyarm]

318. reply to alcibiades_mystery...no no no no no

my best friend worked as an aide to hillary's secretary in the west wing during clintons years ..all of clintons years in the west wing..they never take anything routine as far as security goes.,.not even pre-9/11..that is totally incorrect..security is what they live for at the white house!! nothing is taken for granted, period!!
no one moves without the secret service scrutinizing it..and no one gets in without approval of secret service ..unless someone at the top tells them to get out of the way..and even then the secret service is all over it!!

fly

[Judi Lynn]

235. Your post moved me to go check to see if they even still have tours

I thought I remembered they had cut them out altogether. There are more security measures taken now, and NO ONE seems able to simply go in on even a simple tour without a lot of checking!

From a google dive:

• 11 September, 2001 - The White House is closed to the public after terrorists attack the Pentagon.
  .....
  
• 28 April, 2003 - Following the war on Iraq, public tours of the White House resume, but are limited to children's groups and veterans groups.
  
• September, 2003 - More public tours of the White House are permitted, but must be arranged through a member of Congress and the visitor must pass a security screening.

http://www.glasssteelandstone.com/US/DC/WhiteHouse.html

[MADem]

272. You can get in via your Congressman

They do a background check on you, it takes advance planning. Not like the old days...

[ldf]

161. and you are implying

that a LOT of the other reporters did the same damn thing?

all those reporters coming and going as they please? never checking in or out if it so pleased them?

and this is NORMAL "clerical" or "administrative" procedure? for probably the most secure place on the planet?

((((i am dizzy from your spin.))))

[alcibiades_mystery]

186. I'm not implying

I'm wondering if that happens. Wondering.

Since the story didn't provide information one way or the other on that question, I don't see how you could do anything but wonder about it.

[flyarm]

319. no it doesn't happen!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

it does not happen...can you get that?? it does not happen!!! it does not happen without someone on the top calling the ss dogs off..got that??

fly

[alcibiades_mystery]

331. Reiteration doesn't make it so

At least not for reasonable people who rely on evidence rather than endless series of exclamation points.

[SlavesandBulldozers]

130. i wonder why you are constantly going out of your way

to be convinced that this is a major story? If you don't think its a major story, why don't you just hang out in the lounge or read another post?

[alcibiades_mystery]

142. Ahem

I thought this was a discussion board. A news item has been posted, and I am discussing it.

I'll take that as the end of this line of questioning, unless you're implying something further about my motives that you wouldn't otherwise make explicit (perhaps because doing so would be a violation of the rules?).

I don't expect that this forum is design as some kind of echo chamber. I think the story still lacks something, and I'll say so. Don't like it? You go ahead to the Lounge.

[SlavesandBulldozers]

156. what do you think this story lacks?

I'll just pretend nobody has informed you of why this is important and just rehash it for you, as if it will make a difference, okay? Gannon(who was called Gannon at press conferences but signed into the WH as Guckert) was a gay prostitute who went to the most secretive, security concious WH of all time - in a time of the highest state of national alert this country has ever been in.

If you don't think this is a big story then what is? Really, I'm dying to know.

[alcibiades_mystery]

169. Well now

Since responding to my interlocutors is basis for your friend below making some rather untoward accusations (though disguised in a pronoun in a most cowardly fashion), I suppose I respond here at my peril, but I'll run through it, since your pretending not to see my response on these questions elsewhere.

The documents are indeed fishy, but they remain unconclusive because there is no basis for comparison. We assume that the "non-entry/exit" data is significant, because we assume that the SS would never make a documentation error of this kind, and certainly wouldn't make it on several occasions. is that a reasonable assumption? Yes. Is it a proven point? No. Not yet. My main issue with the story (though let me say again that I think the story is interesting and a good start, just not the dynamite that was built up all afternoon) resides there: I don't know whether this was common, or unusual, or rare, or absolutely shitfuck unheard of because I don't have the evidence that would tell me that. If a reasonable request for more evidence (rather than leaping into the provenness of a reasonable assumption) qualifies me for nasty charges of freeperdom, then that's on you.

[NVMojo]

252. You, my pal, are trying to do a DU filibuster of this story.

[alcibiades_mystery]

254. The hell I am

I'm merely pointing out where the story has some holes I'd like to see filled before I embrace it completely.

[Name removed]

151. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[SlavesandBulldozers]

157. glad i'm not alone

nt

[alcibiades_mystery]

165. If you have an accusation to make, you should stand up and make it

This implication and insinuation bit is reminiscent of the worst McCarthyism. Point the finger if you have a claim.

[alcibiades_mystery]

164. Who would "they" be (those who travel in pairs)

What are you trying to say?

[mike_c]

182. I'm going to step in and call bullshit on this one....

I presume I'm the "other poster" you're refering to. I don't have much taste for herd mentality-- and as a result I had an informative discussion with lala_rawraw and some others about this story. There really is still a place for critical thinking here. Your allegation that "they always travel in pairs" suggests you don't know me or my posting history very well, but that doesn't surprise me much.

You know, when the kool-aid is passed out, it's always the unquestioning true believers who are first in line. You go first....

[lala_rawraw]

193. Guys

Really, there is no reason to argue. I think we can all have our opinions and that is fine. If the story does not work for you, that is fine. If you see why it is important, great. No need to argue. Thanks for letting me throw the entire board into chaos, however, in hopes that we would write large amounts of email and make calls demanding an investigation. I hope, at least some, may still do that. Other than that, this need not be an argument:)

[cosmicdot]

131. "series of clerical errors" -- lol ... n/m

[coffeebeetle25]

226. Repeated Clerical Errors? I Think Not

C'mon, there weren't this many erros with Lewinsky! It's absurd to suggest that all of these unlogged exits/entrances, etc. were error.

[lala_rawraw]

44. The FOIA is shocking when you look at the dates... John is still

prepping it for copy... the reason to get it out was that we were going to be buried and by the way, we took this story to the Post and they said "we are done with Gannon"

nice?

[alcibiades_mystery]

51. You were going to be buried?

What does that mean?

[lala_rawraw]

132. meaning the story

would live through 15 min. attention span at most... now, is everyone writing letters demanding investigation now that we have the grounds for one?

[SlavesandBulldozers]

159. don't get all bent out of shape

arciblades is not convinced this story really has any merit, so he's just kinda throwing shit to see what sticks.

[alcibiades_mystery]

173. Actually

I've asked a very specific question numerous times, and received no answer. I'd hardly call that throwing shit.

[lala_rawraw]

175. what question did you ask?

[alcibiades_mystery]

183. I asked after the basis for comparison

At this point, I'll admit that the no-entry/exit stuff looks extremely weird, even fishy. It merits more investigation, to be sure. But I don't really know how often that happens on the records, because I haven't seen anybody else's records. For all you know, you make a big deal out of this story, then some freeper organization FOIA's the same records on 10 other press corp people, and they all show entry/exit holes. Without the basis for comparison, I don't see an AHA! here.

[lala_rawraw]

189. As far as I know...

Based on journalists and general knowledge of this, it is very odd this type of activity. Also, verified this as being "odd" with 2 current WH press people, as well as other people who attend or have attended in various administrations.

As for Freepers, I don't think Conyers and Slaughter fall into that category, plus the SS verified it when they commented. The basis for comparison is experience.

[alcibiades_mystery]

191. Well here's the point

Do the records actually reflect the behavior. That's where I'm curious. Perhaps Guckert checked in or out and it didn't land on the record. Experience is insufficient as a basis for comparison, because the press people only have experience of what they do, not of what the records show. That's what I'd like to see.

[lala_rawraw]

195. I don't understand...

This is a highly secure location, the most secure I would argue. One cannot check in or out and go missing from the record. That said, let us assume that happened once, maybe twice, but that many times? Note, journalists and others MUST sign in and sign out, they cannot leave without signing out, because that is part of leaving. You are stopped. Now, he was let in through a door not normally used by journos, but even still, there should be appointment logs for who he was seeing that day. This is what the White house would not release and they blame this whole thing on the SS, just like they blamed Iraq on the CIA and FBI.

[librechik]

209. This has happened before

Jack Kennedy used to sneak girls into the WH all the time, when Jackie was gone. I wonder how the SS felt about that? Did they record those comeings and goings? I guess those women didn't have the opportunity to hide out as reporters (any women reporters in those days would have been unusual and well known) as Guckert does.

Does the SS act as enablers for prostitute visits in general? Surely this is not unknown protocol for those guys. Wouldn't they just write in an exit time or entrance time if they were in on a cover up? Apparently they might not be (in on it) because there are the gaps for all to see. Can they be that inefficient? That's not my impression. In fact I see them as excruciatingly sharp professionals who are simply frightening with their dedication. I don't see this happening repeatedly on their watch, unless they were instructed to ignore Guckert.

[coffeebeetle25]

229. Sure it Up

I concur that some things look fishy indeed. However, in order to sure up this story as best one can, we DO need comparison. I mean, the last thing we need is another FOIA flying out of the shadows with holes too.

[mike_c]

70. well, as I've wondered elsewhere...

...is there even a story here at all? How does this pattern of comings and goings-- the occasional lack of synchrony with press briefings-- compare to similar WH visitations by other press corp regulars? About seven percent of Guckert's WH visits were apparently not synchronized-- or were only partly synchronized-- with press briefings. Is that significantly different from other WH reporters?

The suggestion is that he was up to something nefarious, and I certainly don't doubt that he might have been, but without knowing what he was up to, or whether his visits were even abnormal, it's impossible to say whether there is really a story here or not.

The SS log absences are interesting, but again, not particularly revealing. Why are there holes in the logs? Were SS duty officers told to "let Bulldog pass without logging him?" That would be at least the beginnings of a story, but right now sloppy book keeping is just as likely an explanation as any conspiracy that Guckert might have taken part in. I know, the likelihood of the SS being sloppy with security in the WH is laughably low, but without any evidence to the contrary, that explanation can't be simply dismissed.

I see possible evidence for a story here, but I don't see the story yet.

xoxo
Disappointed in California

[alcibiades_mystery]

72. Thank you for expressing my thoughts better than I could

Those are my points exactly.

[lala_rawraw]

84. All reporters

and visitors for that matter going in and out of white house are under strict security...including being led to the press briefing room on the way in and on the way out.

also, any meeting when someone stays is documented by such dates/times... yet in this case he is meeting with a press aide through a side door? no one in the press camp has power over the SS, only somehow higher up. also, note the dates (now posted) and the majority of this is in the beginning, that means he was "known" when he got there, not just some blogger as he says. that means he was known to someone higher up and that someone higher up waived SS/FBI background checks or any other probing. that means contrary to what he has said and to what others try to spin this as, he could not have gone in and out like this without a friend high up and one he has known for a while (because of the meetings and anomalies at the start of his visits). plus, a day pass does not give you access to roam the white house without escort at least.

So, we know he was not there as a plant for the GOP, but an internal plant used for god knows what, but I can imagine.

[mike_c]

105. my issue is that these are only suppositions that follow...

...from the circumstances. They're certainly reasonable, logical suppositions, but somehow I don't think Woodward and Bernstein would have rushed this story so hard until they had some actual incriminating evidence. If someone ordered Gluckert passed through WH security, who gave the orders, who received them, and why was his passage concealed, especially when the other corresponding arrival or departure was not? That seems like a recipe for disaster, and is just as unlikely as a "clerical error." Anyone with any security sense would realize that this is no way to hide his activities-- as you yourself have noted, this is what raised the red flag. Does this pattern actually differ from other WH press corp members? Again, you're supposing that it does, but I'm a scientist-- I ALWAYS like to see conclusions drawn from data rather than supposition.

Was Gluckert actually "roaming around unescorted" on a day pass, or was he sitting in a press room somewhere playing games on his laptop (or conspiring with Karl Rove to help keep the press on message, or doing lap dances in the WH basement)? Do other WH reporters do anything similar? Saying that they don't doesn't make it so-- Gluckert is being implicated on the basis of circumstantial evidence-- might it not be appropriate to check and see whether those circumstances are really unique to him?

[lala_rawraw]

119. I don't think you understand....

And that may be in the writing, not the story, but here is what you are facing (and don't throw Woody and Bernie at me, I never claimed to be either). The White House will not release any info on him. So the evidence you want and need is not there to get. I know how reporters come and go at the White House, so that is not suspicion. John also spoke with two White House press people who confirmed the standard procedures. So, much like a mafia guy who is finally arrested for tax evasion, what we have here is a reasonable argument to demand an investigation. National security is key. The security of the people there is key. Are the procedures broken? It looks like they are not because the SS kept the records but was overruled on some of the decisions.

Since this is an article, John cannot suppose any of this. He can simply provide you with the information. Given that I did not write this, I feel comfortable telling you my assessment.

As a scientist you should understand that you are never going to isolate a single "thing" that proves "something." People do not operate in that matter. What you have here are three very important points, in my assessment anyway and they are relevant. Just remember that a reporter cannot connect the dots for you on a piece they have written, you have to connect them.

Key Issues:

1). Grounds for investigation (huge story)
2). He knew the "person" there prior to becoming a reporter (given dates and times in the beginning, that is a logical conclusion)
3). Someone that he knew had to be high up enough to override the SS (big story).

Now consider all of Gannon's statements and his background. I do not believe he was there for sex. I think the sex thing was the honey pot. I think he was there to get his marching orders. This last bit is my pure speculation, for all I know, he could have been on all fours.

[mike_c]

125. ok-- I agree with your three points....

And thanks for working on the story (comments directed at RawStory generally-- I know this was Byrne's story). We'll see what comes of it.

[Eloriel]

194. sex or marching orders -- or both?

As long as we're speculating, here's mine.

I've always thought that since his escort days or possibly well before, someone from the White House OR the White House's friends in Texas, became special "friends" with him and the "professional" and quasi-journalistic relationship evolved from that.

I see no reason why sex in the White House on these numerous occasions (and who says his special friend has to have a bedroom there??) might not be part of what went on. We certainly don't know that it's not. We also don't know that it is, but why would the trips be undocumented or improperly documented? Why would the visits last so long (apparently)?

[janx]

198. I'm with you, Eloriel. This guy is no whiz kid--he's a prostitute.

The initial foray into the White House was probably connected with that. Note Byrne's mention of the visits in the "early days." After the prostitution aspect probably came the cover--of his being a reporter. And after that, he had to act the part, which he seemed to do with partisan relish.

[Carni]

261. I agree with you both because Guckert is certainly no brain trust

He also doesn't handle himself well and has weird facial ticks when talking on camera--IMO if anything Guckert's bad acting and stupidity advertised he was not a legit journalist in the first place.

My theory is...SOMEONE (God only knows who) is so smitten with this guy and his antics that they can't even see what a buffoon he actually comes off as.

This idiot is *special* to someone in that admin IMO

Just the fact that he is still running around on cable news spewing his BS tells me that he's heavily protected otherwise he would have been found dead somewhere IMO

[MADem]

278. Go to the tape

Check out the "look of love" that Scottie gives JimmyJeff every time he calls on him http://www.crooksandliars.com/2005/02/10.html

Third story down.

[Carni]

281. You know I agree but on the other hand

I just don't know if Scooty would yield enough power to get Guckert in and out of the WH at his leisure esp now that I am reading the new dirt about "Gannon entertaining Tony Blair" on July 17 (it's making it's way around the blogs today)I certainly could be wrong!

[MADem]

288. Scotty knows the DUNCE better than Ari EVER did

Karen HUGHES hired him, when chump was GOV, back in 99.

Again, do NOT look at the organizational chart. Look at the RELATIONSHIPS. Scotty had more power from the git-go than frontman Ari EVER did.

[Critical Thinker]

270. you're on target

Good summary of key issues needing investigation - thanks for your work on this.

[hootinholler]

207. AHA! Thanks for that tidbit.

Do we know for sure that Guckert got an escort required badge?

Also cross posted for the third time:
Look at the transmittal letter Page 2, The SS states these records do not reflect the type of badge he was issued, because the access control system does not capture that info.

Aren't they obligated to look it up manually then? Or at least provide a cross reference to the badge ID to type of badge. The provided response is incomplete with regards to the request.

I also want to know if these passes allowed 'unescorted' access to the white house. Most gov't space requires an escort for temporary passes if there is anything even remotely sensitive in the building.

I would also like to know if he actually attended the briefings he was present for. Perhaps cspan recordings would be helpful in that regard.
-=-=

Now, if they use a turnstile entry/exit you cannot get 2 for 1 in or out so that means he never left or the records were changed (exit time deleted) which means someone seriously high up behind it.

Yes this raises more questions than it answers, we need a real investigation.

-Hoot

[janx]

85. Have you contacted David Brock?

?

[Cheney Killed Bambi]

89. They never said that with Clinton/Monica

we took this story to the Post and they said "we are done with Gannon"

Clinton/Monica they kept covering even when there was nothing left to cover. Methinks I see a double standard.

[lala_rawraw]

106. ah huh

[flyarm]

320. we need to all write nasty letters to wp as well as our

senators and congress people!! we need to demand answers and tell them they are double standard blastards!!

fly

[tuvor]

15. Okay, who was getting banged by Gannon?

[Zorra]

54. Maybe someone was using him for a "whipping boy"?

And how exactly was Gucky involved with the Plame leak?

[alcibiades_mystery]

56. Was he involved with the Plame leak?

Who knew...:eyes:

[doublethink]

64. Bingo could be .....

not only a media whore for the white house but man-whore too. Can we make enough ruckus about this to demand a big time investigation? Time to get the emails out ..... wonder if this could push Bush to pull a 'wag the dog scenario' ..... geesh ....

[lala_rawraw]

88. This is what I am saying...

This is grounds for an investigation because it is a break from protocal and threatens national security. This is exactly what we needed to ask for an investigation... his planted stories were not going to get us one. This will, if we push it. The dates/times are up.

[beammeup]

99. Or could THIS be a wag-the-dog scenario? The Bushies have done much more

... heinous things than consort with gay whores. Don't forget how clever Rove is.

[lala_rawraw]

107. I don't think he was whoring ...

I suspect that he was meeting

[understandinglife]

138. Yeap. Plame. Attack on Daschle. Advanced notice on Iraq attack. ....

....The issues are:

1. To whom does he report?

2. Who is he blackmailing?

3. How are # 1 and # 2 related?

Peace.


www.missionnotaccomplished.us (a day to reflect on what you are going to do to save our democracy and humanity)

[Zorra]

212. Gucky claimed he saw the leaked memo.....

didn't you know?

[flyarm]

321. yes and he also knew 4 hours before any other journalist that

* was going to start the war!! he wrote it in freeperville!!
coinsidence?? i think not!!

pillow talk..probably!!

fly

[Judi Lynn]

236. It needs clarification. It was mentioned almost at the beginning

that he had access to important material on her.

From a google trip:

WASHINGTON DC – House Democratic Whip Steny Hoyer released the following statement regarding revelations that a man who went by the name of “Jeff Gannon,” and who was given White House media credentials despite his lack of qualifications, was given access to classified documents which disclosed the identity of Undercover CIA Operative Valerie Plame:

“Valid questions are being raised regarding the Bush White House’s relationship with James Guckert, also known as “Jeff Gannon,” and his access to documents that revealed the identity of Undercover CIA Operative Valerie Plame.

“This issue is important from an ethical as well as from a national security standpoint. It is hard to understand why a man with little real journalism experience was given a White House press corps credential let alone access to sensitive security documents. In fact, it only raises questions as to the nature of the relationship between “Jeff Gannon” and the White House, and whether there was an alliance of interests that did not conform to ethical and security standards. President Bush’s father, President George H.W. Bush, called the disclosure of an undercover operative’s identity treason.
(snip/...)

http://democraticwhip.house.gov/media/press.cfm?pressReleaseID=1021

[Habibi]

20. Hot damn!

I love my rep, Louise Slaughter! That she teamed up with Conyers to get this information just makes my day!

[NV Whino]

22. Seems to me

that this dude was either selling his "services," or this is the worst worst cover up for an undercover agent I've ever read about.

[truth2power]

28. Just a thought...

Wonder if dates of Gannon's stay-overs can be correlated with dates the Chimp showed up with facial injuries? Hmmm?

Just sayin'...

edit: spelling

[tanyev]

55. No, no, no.

He made it very clear in his ad: I DON'T LEAVE MARKS....ONLY IMPRESSIONS

[truth2power]

65. ...

:rofl:

[EVDebs]

29. The significance of a blatant Operation Mockingbird operative

will require further FOIAs from the White House. Of course they can claim 'national security' exemptions, for which the laughter will be heard 'round the world'.

In fact, maybe foreign media should do the honors of futher FOIA requests since our M$M seems to be soooooo compliant with the administration's agenda.

[Last Lemming]

227. Question

how can you claim information is being withheld for national security reasons on a reporter unless you want to imply that he was not there as a reporter?

[medeak]

30. He's a hired gun

duh... nothing new here.

[caligirl]

34. There have been many times when Presidents or WH staff brought

people in for any number of reasons. How did they get them past the ss and deal with the log sheets.

[medeak]

35. where was Rove?

when Gannon was there? LOL

[stillcool]

46. Gannon only likes it on top......n/t

[0007]

239. Where was the "Leather Dominator" who had won

the Miss Virginia Daddy Bear title at the MAL merriment? Does Jeff know this guy also?

Hmmmmm. Sounds like Karl is a busy busy little bee.

[bvar22]

40. Hey, man.....

All kinds of people just show up and log in with the Secret Service just to hang out at the White House...Happens all the time.
The Secret Service doesn't get at all upset if someone logs in and doesn't log out. Man, people just get tired hanging out for NO LEGITIMATE REASON.
They just get tired, sleep in a closet, and then sneak out without the SS noticing.

That White House SS detail is notoriously sloppy. Everyone knows that.
Its not like the White House is a terrorist target or anything like that.
I mean, Who really cares???
They can't be expected to keep track of visitors at the White House.
Ain't NO STORY HERE!!!

:sarcasm:

McDonalds does a better job of logging their employees In and OUT!

[tsuki]

42. In an Era where we have sacrificed our freedoms for "security,"

an unsecured revolving door at the White House for a gay prostitute should be New$.

[rodeodance]

47. but obviously it is not--how very sad

[catzies]

317. Thank you for the best one-liner in this thread. I'm going to use that!

n/t

[tridim]

48. Did Guckert ever deny he had stayed at the WH?

I seem to remember him saying that.

This would be a gigantic story if it had happened under Clinton. It'd be breaking news on every channel.

[rodeodance]

52. many times I think the press/media is actually afraid of the WH!!

[lala_rawraw]

109. he would not comment from what I just read

[Helga Scow Stern]

49. This had John "frightened out of his mind"?

"I can tell you that John has been working through this for a while and frightened out of his mind."

[understandinglife]

75. I well understand his concern. See # 38. The BIG STORY is why ...

....Raw Story is breaking this and doing so on behalf of two members of the US Congress.

One must wonder if anyone within the SS has the courage to help save our Democracy from the theocratic neoconster lunatics. If so, let's hope they expose who "Gannon" really is.

Peace.


www.missionnotaccomplished.us (The.Day.WE.BEGIN..........)

[lala_rawraw]

122. yeah, so? he was sitting on SS documents...

showing a hooker coming and going and connecting the dots to someone high up... yeah, it is not a comfie feeling to have those documents I think.

[Helga Scow Stern]

153. Okay, I can see that now.

It IS a very important story, especially when compared with the scrutiny decent Dems, from Clinton to Kevin Shelley of California have gotten.

It certainly deserves to be investigated to its fullest extent.

And I understand your wanting us to push for investigation. That seems more crucial at this point that just getting the story "out there," although I can also understand that now for safety reasons, and so it isn't completely buried.

Thank you.

[lala_rawraw]

184. my hero:)

Or goddess? we should all just put our pictures up in a DU gallery and that way we can make gender specific compliments:)

[TroubleMan]

57. Looks like Gannon was the man-date

nt.

[rodeodance]

58. what's a gay hooker doing hanging the WH?

[TroubleMan]

63. Exactly....especially with this administration's anti-gay agenda

This should be huge, but the MSM will ignore it.

[randr]

61. Is this really how the SS runs the WH?

How many more people are allowed to come and go as they please?
This is a huge breach of security. It wouldn't happen at my local bank or school fer christs sake.

[MidwestTransplant]

208. Nothing to say he came and went as he pleased. He may have been invited..

[daleo]

66. Will we eventually hear a president say:

"I never had sexual relations with that man Guckert/Gannon"?

[maddezmom]

74. now that would be something

:rofl:

[pissed_American]

217. No, but we may hear ...

"I told y`all I had a man-date, and I meant it!"

[gordianot]

68. Who does this surprise?

[many a good man]

73. WH records show male prostitute made 36 sleep overs

A male prostitute posing as a reporter in the WH press pool, was revealed to have spent 36 nights at the WH in a addition to dozens of possible day time trysts. Male prostitute James Guckert, posing as consevative journalist Jeff Gannon, is also the promoter of several gay porn web sites and male escort services. He is linked to several powerful conservative leaders in Texas politics.

The irony, however, is completely lost on millions of fundamentalist Republican homophobes because of a complete press outage over the scandal...

[rodeodance]

78. well, lets ALL media blast the story and see if anyone takes the bate

[spacelady]

147. He is the Master Bate n/t

[Vox_Reason]

80. Beautiful, TorchesAndPitchforks

Your post gets to the heart of this issue. This lapdog media is so worthless. If they weren't, perhaps Monica would already pale in comparison to the firestorm that would have erupted over GannonGuckert.

"Liberal Media", my ASS.

[caligirl]

81. What a way to keep gay sex hidden from ones wife or family. Ah got

to go to the office honey, or congressmen showing up there for parties with the ss in colusion. With security so tight, and press under the thumb, who would worry about it coming out. Certainly not members of the press.

[nashville_brook]

82. for the ho-hummers:

with this little tidbit, the white house cannot distance itself from The Guck. someone will have to take the fall for this. the Guck was obviously IN THE SERVICE of someone in the white house. this service required overnight attention. this is a huge story because of how it moves the men move on the chessboard.

[lala_rawraw]

90. Here are dates/times... now up

2/25/03 11:46 - 1:25 (briefing 12:26-1:03)
2/26 9:56 - 2:17 (unusually long) (briefing 1:25-1:53)
2/27 11:49 - 1:34 (no briefing)
2/28 11:20 - 1:26 (briefing 12:35-1:10)

3/3/03 9:51 - 1:32 (unusually long) (briefing 12:21-1:00)
3/4 11:48 - 1:45 (briefing 12:46-1:20)
3/5 11:56 - 1:57 (briefing 12:21-1:00)
3/6 11:58 - 12:42 (no briefing)
3/6 9:11 pm exit - no entry (Bush press conference, 8 pm)
3/7 3:22 pm exit -- no entry (briefing 2:20-3:00)
3/10 12:47 - 3:11 (briefing 1:23-2:10)
3/11 12:25 - 1:47 (briefing at 12:38 - no end time given)
3/12 12:55 - 2:40 (briefing 1:20-1:59)
3/13 12:12 - 1:55 (briefing 12:40-1:19)
3/14 12:02 - 1:49 (briefing 12:35-1:06)
3/17 12:01 - 1:30 (no briefing)
3/18 12:09 - 1:31 (briefing 12:21-1:05)
3/19 9:38 - 3:27 (unusually long) (12:15-12:59) (Bush speech, 10 pm) ARRIVE
3/20 12:19 - 1:38 (briefing 12:32-1:15)
3/21 10:52 - 12:31 (briefing 2:31-3:12 -- doesn't match)
3/24 1:02 - 2:43 (briefing 1:00-1:44)
3/25 1:45 - 3:30 (briefing 2:30-3:15)
3/28 12:34 - 3:51 (unusually long) (briefing 12:35-1:15)

4/4/03 12:18 - 1:31 (12:20-12:59)
4/9 1:48 - 3:48 (2:32-3:20)
4/10 12:14 - 2:00 (12:20-1:03)
4/11 12:24 - 1:52 (12:15-12:45) (arrives late)
4/14 12:34 - 1:46 (12:30-1:15) (arrives late)
4/21 3:33 - 4:19 (no briefing)
4/22 11:36 - 1:37 (12:30-1:14)
4/23 12:16 - 2:26 (1:17-1:55)
4/25 11:21 - 1:25 (12:19-1:00)
4/28 3:01 - 4:40 (11:08-23 -- doesn't match)
4/29 11:25 - 1:10 (12:23-12:58)
4/30 11:37 - 3:14 (unusually long) (12:32-1:19)

5/6/03 11:27 - 12:56 (11:50-12:30)
5/7 11:53 - 1:29 (12:30-1:10)
5/8 1:09 - 7:10 (unusually long) (1:45-2:26)
5/9 9:49 - 11:38 (no briefing)
5/14 12:02 - 1:47 (12:35-1:15)
5/14 5:15 pm - 6:56 pm (second evening visit)
5/15 12:27 - 2:25 (1:08-1:47)
5/16 12:05 - 1:40 (12:35-1:19)
5/20 12:27 - 2:04 (12:55-1:34)
5/27 11:56 - 1:31 (12:23-1:05)
5/28 11:50 - 12:53 (12:05-12:44)
5/28 3:26 - 4:53 (second visit)
5/29 11:42 - 1:43 (12:20-1:00)

6/10/03 12:13 - 1:19 (12:33-1:12)
6/17 12:29 - 1:41 (12:32-1:11)
6/18 12:16 - 1:42 (12:50-1:34)
6/22 3:32 - 4:49 (no briefing)
6/23 1:41 - 2:21 (no briefing)
6/25 12:16 - 1:01 (12:30-12:55)
6/26 11:32 - 12:35 (11:45-12:24)

7/1/03 11:25 - 1:42 (12:50-1:26)
7/2 11:50 - 1:20 (12:35-1:12)
7/3 3:04 - 4:16 (Condi Rice briefing, 3:40-4:10)
7/14 11:33 - 1:32 (Ari's goodbye party) (12:03-12:56)
7/15 12:15 (no exit) (12:38-1:23)
7/16 12:26 - 2:05 (12:50-1:20)
7/17 4:43 - 6:13 (12:36-1:17 -- doesn't match)
7/22 12:23 - 1:53 (12:58-1:35)
7/23 12:21 - 2:23 (1:17-2:07)
7/25 2:08 - 3:30 (2:39-3:15)
7/27 3:08 - 5:24 (no briefing)
7/28 12:53 - 2:04 (briefing 10:12-10:23 -- doesn't match)
7/30 12:13 - 12:45 (no briefing)

8/1/03 12:18 (no exit) (12:24-12:54)
8/1 12:39 - 1:20 (two sets of times if put together seem to match the briefing)

9/2/03 12:37 (A4 HC Entry Lane, no exit) (12:42-1:23)
9/3 12:10 - 1:18 (12:30-1:10)
9/10 12:17 - 1:32 (12:49-1:23)
9/16 12:23 - 1:59 (1:00-1:39)
9/17 12:12 - 1:55 (1:00-1:41)
9/22 1:54 - 3:06 (no briefing)
9/25 12:49 - 1:53 (12:48-1:35)
9/26 12:09 - 2:24 (12:36-1:15)
9/29 12:09 - 1:10 (12:18-1:03)

10/1/03 11:51 - 1:37 (12:44-1:30)
10/2 11:52 (no exit) (12:47-1:26)
10/6 12:58 - 6:10 (unusually long) (1:15-1:54)
10/7 12:46 - 2:03 (12:58-1:46)
10/8 12:10 - 1:27 (12:16-12:42)
10/14 12:22 (no exit) (12:40-1:14)
10/27 12:32 - 1:33 (12:39-1:15)
10/28 10:54 - 12:22 (no briefing)
10/29 12:20 - 1:08 (12:20-12:57)

11/6/03 12:09 - 1:09 (12:35-1:04)
11/12 12:09 - 1:58 (1:10-1:47)
11/14 12:54 - 2:07 (1:36-2:00)
11/21 5:25 - 6:49 (no briefing)
11/24 8:49 - 9:43 (no briefing)

12/2/03 2:08 - 3:29 (no briefing)
12/3 12:03 - 1:11 (12:32-1:06)
12/7 3:25 (no exit - entry via A4 HC Entry Lane) (no briefing)
12/9 12:33 - 1:45 (12:55-1:21)
12/10 12:05 - 1:23 (12:35-1:15)
12/12 11:51 - 1:35 (12:15-12:52)
12/15 10:45 - 12:42 (no briefing)
12/18 12:44 - 2:28 (2:05-2:43)
12/19 12:21 - 12:56 (B4 Entry Lane 2) (12:30-12:50)
12/19 1:36 - 2:13 (second visit)
12/22 12:15 - 1:23 (12:28-1:01)

1/14/04 12:30 - 1:33 (12:41-1:15)
1/16 12:08 - 12:48 (12:11-12:44)
1/23 11:52 - 1:12 (12:33-1:06)
1/28 11:53 - 1:26 (12:50-1:20)
1/30 12:30 - 1:23 (12:37-1:09)

2/2/04 12:32 - 1:35 (12:48-1:28)
2/3 12:44 - 1:55 (12:54-1:20)
2/4 11:50 - 1:38 (12:56-1:36)
2/6 11:58 - 1:44 (no briefing)
2/10 11:50 - 1:55 (12:53-1:38)
2/11 11:57 - 1:09 (12:30-1:02)
2/13 12:07 - 1:08 (12:30-1:02)
2/18 12:04 - 1:29 (12:36-1:08)
2/19 12:05 - 1:30 (12:37-1:14)
2/20 12:32 - 1:29 (12:33-1:03)
2/23 12:55 - 1:17 (12:43-1:10) (arrives late)
2/24 12:06 - 1:52 (1:00-1:36)
2/27 1:55 - 3:39 (2:18-2:48)

3/1/04 12:50 - 2:04 (1:20-2:00)
3/2 12:29 - 1:23 (12:46-1:14)
3/9 12:40 - 1:49 (1:03-1:37)
3/12 12:54 - 1:00 (unusually short) (no briefing)
3/16 12:43 - 1:52 (1:10-1:46)
3/17 12:18 - 1:56 (1:26-1:50)
3/22 12:03 - 2:10 (1:24-2:04)
3/23 12:03 - 1:34 (12:47-1:10)
3/24 12:17 - 2:03 (1:10-2:02)
3/30 exit only, 12:04 (no briefing)
3/30 4:22 - 4:55 (no briefing)

4/1/04 12:42 - 1:57 (1:25-1:53)
4/13 9:42 - 10:29 (no briefing)
4/13 6:59 pm - 9:49 pm (unusual hour)
4/16 10:51 - 3:08 (unusually long) (2:41-3:09)
4/21 12:14 - 1:00 (12:31-1:00)
4/27 12:10 (no exit, entry via A4 HC Entry Lane instead of Entry Lane 2) (12:27-12:59)
4/28 12:26 - 1:47 (1:20-1:47)
4/29 11:10 no exit (before briefing)
4/29 2:15 - 2:57 (2:23-2:56)
4/30 1:24 - 2:47 (2:22-2:45)

5/5/04 12:02 - 2:25 (1:38-2:16) (arrives unusually early)
5/6 12:01 - 3:35 (12:20-12:54) (stays unusually late)
5/10 1:22 - 2:50 (2:02-2:33)
5/12 11:56 - 1:03 (12:34-12:55)
5/24 no entry, exit logged twice, 2:04:43 and 2:04:51 (1:14-1:46)
5/26 12:09 - 1:51 (1:15-1:51)
5/28 2:17 - no exit (3:02-3:34)

6/1/04 9:20 - 12:03 (Condi Rice briefing, 9:45)
6/3 9:02 - 10:32 (no briefing)
6/14 10:02 - 11:45 (no briefing)
6/15 11:03 - no exit (2:25-2:52) (there well before briefing)
6/15 5:19 - 6:38 (B4 Exit Lane instead of usual A4 Exit Reader) (after briefing)
6/16 2:50 - 4:34 (no briefing)
6/17 11:57 - 1:25 (12:47-1:20)
6/21 9:27 - 10:03 (no briefing)
6/22 12:13 - 5:04 (unusually long) (Al Gonzales briefing, 3:12-4:55)
6/24 1:27 - 2:13 (no briefing)
6/30 12:21 - 1:55 (1:15-1:55)

7/1/04 12:22 - 1:36 (1:01-1:37)
7/2 9:43 - 11:53 (no briefing)
7/6 12:15 - 12:58 (12:33-12:48)
7/8 1:07 - 2:21 (1:53-2:22)
7/15 12:48 - 1:48 (12:54-1:23)
7/19 1:04 - 2:24 (1:52-2:22)
7/21 12:22 - 2:02 (1:10-1:40)
7/22 10:11 - 10:47 (no briefing)
7/29 6:03 - 6:21 (no briefing)

8/2/04 10:59 - 1:47 (1:02-1:39) (there 2 hours early)
8/9 12:07 - 1:03 (12:31-12:59)
8/17 11:06 - 12:31 (no briefing)
8/27 9:10 - 9:37 (no briefing)

9/10/04 11:19 - 12:55 (no briefing)
9/15 12:17 - 1:56 (1:11-1:45)
9/22 11:57 - 12:34 (no briefing)
9/23 11:19 - 1:14 (no briefing)

11/2/04 1:31 - 2:20 (no briefing)
11/4 9:16 - 12:11 (no briefing)
11/8 11:50 - 1:08 (12:20-12:52)
11/10 12:35 - 12:58 (12:26-12:45) (arrives late)
11/12 10:57 -- no exit (no briefing)
11/16 12:26 - 1:51 (12:20-1:32) (arrives late)
11/17 12:07 - 2:14 (12:38-1:10)
11/29 12:23 - 1:49 (12:56-1:32)

12/6/04 12:37 - 1:59 (1:03-1:36)
12/8 12:07 - 1:41 (1:05-1:39)
12/10 12:32 - 1:51 (1:06-1:32)
12/13 12:18 - 1:36 (12:50-1:18)
12/14 12:46 - 1:53 (12:48-1:23)
12/17 12:16 - 1:48 (12:47-1:14)
12/20 10:05 - 11:49 (no briefing)
12/21 12:00 - 2:04 (12:35-1:10)
12/22 12:04 - 1:08 (no briefing)
12/23 12:31 - 1:26 (no briefing)

1/18/05 12:05 - 1:36 (12:28-12:57)
1/19 12:26 - 1:38 (12:48-1:19)
1/25 12:19 - 1:04 (12:23-12:53)
1/26 9:54 - 10:56 (no briefing)
1/31 12:27 - 1:24 (12:45-1:16)

2/1/05 12:11 no exit (12:18-12:47)
2/7 12:10 - 3:00 (1:45-1:06)

[GreenPoet64]

102. These times deserve a new thread I think. Thanks n/t

[understandinglife]

110. "Guckert declined to comment, directing all questions to the Service."

Well, given those log records (and, obvious lapses, therein), I think the SS has more than its reputation on the line.

Let's try and focus on just a few factlets.

This is all post-9/11.

Ms Dowd could not get clearance to enter.

Anyone here that naive to think that you can login and not logout and not have the SS tracking your butt until they find you. ONCE. Do you really think you'd ever get a second opportunity to even get in the building without the POTUS authorizing it.

Anyone here think the SS records are this poorly kept, see a physician.

The ONLY way the "no briefing" and "no entrance" and "no exit" could have happened is if "Gannon" was in the company of folk substantially more 'senior' than Rove. Guess who that might be.

IT'S THE SECRET SERVICE EVERYONE; they pay attention to who is in that building ALL THE FRIGGING TIME.

So, why did Congressman Conyers or/and Congresswoman Slaughter have to rely on Raw Story to get this story out?

Peace.


www.missionnotaccomplished.us (The.Day.WE.BEGIN.............)

[lala_rawraw]

126. Thank god, I feel like I am going batty... I thought people would

Understand the issues here...thank you, really. I was starting to think I may have read the info wrong.

[librechik]

206. lala, has the SS gotten back to you with a comment?

if so, what is their explanation?

or is that part 2 of the investigation and yet to come?

Great investigative reporting, BTW--THANKS!!!!

[earth mom]

214. Just ignore the naysayers....

maybe some of them are lost. :eyes:

But I have to say that I for one, appreciate that Raw Story was willing to come out with this info! I think it is EXTREMELY important! It proves that Gannon/Guckert was just a little TOO cozy in the WH with someone and hopefully that someone WILL be exposed!

Also, I found it interesting that Gannons last day at the WH he was there for almost 3 hours...debriefing maybe?

[north houston dem]

143. Not only that

but the fact that they answered the foia says something too. yes?
they could have sat on this info......citing security...blah blah -but they released it. Maybe the SS doen't like what's going on and what they have had to swallow lately.....maybe * is losing control.
Our congresspeople don't want the story to be buried ......why not release it to a guaranteed active readership that will disperse it?
jmo.

[jasmeel]

197. Do the no briefing visits correspond to anything of interest?

Maybe he got leaked info at that time? Do reporters usually go to the WH w/o a press briefing?

[Carni]

264. His no briefing visits and possible overnighters amplified after Ari left

His use of oddball entrances also begins after Fleisher left.

I have a hunch that Fleisher bailed out to save his ass pertinent to this Guckert situation.

I recall reading after Guckert was originally unveiled that Fleisher stated he had voiced suspicions over Guckert previously (at the time I didn't believe him but now I think I do)

[caligirl]

91. I emailed it to Ed Schultz, hope he will bring it up tomorrow,

[MelissaB]

146. I emailed

a nice liberal website a while ago. I hope he links it.

[peacetalksforall]

93. Something is fishy...do you think that anyone arranging for his

presence at the WH would be so sloppy? There is the famous tunnel and there are always the Hollywood style laundry trucks or a plain car trunk that would have allowed exit or entry.

But would they be so sloppy?

I'll bet each of Monica's exits and entries is recorded.

In the article from April 21 in Online Journal...it's stated in the artlice by Mazza that Sherman Skolnick (is he Planet Prison?) says "Gannon functions in high-level espionage, and is alledgedly responsible for leaking the fact that former Ambassador Joseph Wilson's wife, Valerie Plame, was an undercover CIA operative which may have caused, according to Skolnick, the death of some 70 operatives who worked for her."

So he's into his brand of journalism, espionage, and a side business. He had lots of reasons to be in the WH. :o)))

The SS must not have figured that they had any duty here.

[caligirl]

135. sloppy yes, no surprise from someone who

once said you can fool some of the people all the time and we should focus on them.

[cornermouse]

96. Okay, this is probably tin hat, but what if

this is another trick by Rove? I'm not saying it is, but I think the possibility should be considered.

:tinfoilhat:

Putting it on, just in case.

[lala_rawraw]

103. what would be the strategy?

[manxkat]

145. yeah, I don't see the strategy of Rove setting this up.

These people (Rove, et al) are VERY sloppy and really can't cover their tracks 100%. They're riding on arrogance, especially now with the Dems in the minority. And, since they've been getting away with murder, they're being less careful. It's really only a matter of time before they go down. (no pun intended)

[Jacobin]

98. Okay. Who was he boinking?

Rove?

Does Laura like S&M?

Something's going on with these freakazoids who pretend to be so pious.
There ALWAYS is with this kind of people.

[golden voyages]

176. That's the key question

Gannon's journalist persona is nothing more than a plausible explanation for him wandering around the West Wing.

And to answer your question, yeah, most likely KKKarl.

[pacalo]

203. This cries out for a photoshop job...

[caligirl]

104. just sent a note and copy to Mark Morford @SFgate.

[rocktivity]

112. The records show that he applied with his real name?

Well, did his real name appear on his press pass? If not, why not? More important, if the White House and SS had Jeff's real name, why DIDN'T they find out that he wasn't a journalist, that his employer wasn't a news service, and that the news service wasn't bi-partisan?

:shrug:
rocknation

[lala_rawraw]

124. see... it is not the SS, someone

was overriding this and it cannot be scottie, he has no authority on this.

[izzybeans]

150. I'm not sure if this was asked but: how accurate are the logs

for other WH correspondents? You might have that info. ready to counter any claims headed in the direction of saying "Well, there are mistakes in the log, etc.

[lala_rawraw]

178. I would say highly accurate given the source

and the double checking.

[izzybeans]

234. this story has so many possibilities

Thanks for the good work.

I just wanted to suggest, given resource constraints, that a comparative analysis be done with another more well known reporter. Just so there is no possible way someone can obfiscate the issue. So if Helen thomas signed in and out 100% of time why can't the so called "equally" partisan Man-date?

[NVMojo]

253. Just think, the SS is investigating who impersonated them at a Bush

conference on Social Security. Maybe they are getting even???

[DulceDecorum]

155. Who can override the laws of Physics?

5/24 no entry, exit logged twice, 2:04:43 and 2:04:51 (1:14-1:46)

Guckert left TWICE
and NEVER entered, even once, on that same day?

A make-up artist summons him to the White House?
Forget the sex.
This is treason.

And there are other instances where the laws of Physics were broken.
Now unless Scotty is beaming him in and out,
we got Texas-sized mess that rivals the Augean Stables in thar
and we need a SERIOUS
clean up on 1600 Pennsylvania.

[DulceDecorum]

188. DENISE GUCKERT

On page 12 there is mention of Denise Guckert
http://rawstory.rawprint.com/0405/guckert_access_a12

Google is my friend.
From the Daily Kos:
**********
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/2/16/155840/912
**********
Guckert in Texas? Folks, thus far all roads have (none / 0)
led back to Texas. I've googled "Guckert Texas" and keep coming up with Denise Guckert that was originally mentioned back when this whole search started. Is it possible that Denise is his mother or sister and he went to TX to live with her? This Denise is also described as a "Technical Specialist" and her name pops up all over the place in Ausin, TX - where Scott McClellan is from and where the President's wife gave her an award and a grant. Either that or she could be married to Guckert's brother. I believe somewhere along the way he mentioned his brother's family being threatened (which I find total BS.)
Could be nothing, but I find it incredible that Guckert moves to DC around the same time that Bush Co moves in and I suspect that he knew somebody in Texas quite well before the move.....
by Scout Finch on Thu Feb 17th, 2005 at 05:30:40 PDT
< Parent >
**********


**********
http://hefty-lefty.dailykos.com/story/2005/2/8/05911/68800
**********
A Denise Guckert (none / 1)
Received a grant from "The First Lady's Family Literacy Initiative for Texas
A Program of The Barbara Bush Texas Fund for Family Literacy"
http://www-tcall.tamu.edu/bbush/firstlady2003.htm
I did a site search and got 7 hits for Guckert...wading through those for any other names.
Arrogant lips are unsuited to a fool-- how much worse lying lips to a ruler - Proverbs 17:7
by BarbinMD on Mon Feb 7th, 2005 at 23:52:39 PDT
Denise Guckert picture (none / 0)
http://www.austinfree.net/about/TIM-2003.htm
resemblence?
"children of the gone lost and forgotten, minds rotten The arcade shot em, Channel Zero on the TV got em" PE
by chrissabian on Tue Feb 8th, 2005 at 01:50:48 PDT
< Parent >

[pacalo]

163. That's one of the most interesting points to me

other than the fact that the log-in times didn't jive with scheduled press conferences. What was he doing there so often & why did he sign in as Geckert while using a Gannon nametag at press conferences?

But the clincher to me is the fact that the SS log suggests the SS was so lax in regard to Gannon/Geckert when considering the "tight security" after 9-11. Are they really serious about the need for tight security at the WH or are they serious only when it suits other purposes such as stifling dissent? Consider the extravagant, costly security detail demanded by WhatsHisFace for his visits abroad & his inauguration; but most of all, think about his campaign appearances & PR appearances which are open to only those Americans who sign a loyalty oath. "Tight Security" is a euphemism for shielding WhatsHisFace from any dissent & for controlling public perception.

[MADem]

276. Let's clear up the Gannon nametag business

JimmyJeff photoshopped a "TALON NEWS" ID that looked, at a fast glance, EXACTLY like a WH permanent press pass, with small minor differences. He even laminated it, put the photo in the same location, and put it on a little lanyard with a bunch of other assorted geegaw credentials, just like the real guys did. It didn't have the card swipe on the back, though.

Anyone not staring at all the crap people wear around their neck would assume that it was a regular pass...when you expect to see something, you often see it.

[bvar22]

200. Along those same lines:

If he was logged in under his REAL name, why did Scottie and bush* both call on him by his FAKE name.

[MidwestTransplant]

113. That rascally "Bull Dog"

[truthisfreedom]

114. what is precious about this combination of circumstances is that the press

hates guckert/gannon, and they love a scandal, so no amount of bribing or threatening will stop them from covering this story. what an amazing discovery! and on a sunday night! it's just what roveco doesn't want. THE FREEPERS MUST BE EMPTYING THE STORE SHELVES OF DEPENDS! 8^)

[jazzjunkysue]

144. He needs to sleep over to get information? Wow! I didn't know that

"journalists" had to have sleep overs to get the story. Gee.

[SlavesandBulldozers]

139. kicking

:kick:

[expatriot]

152. Rove likes to be beneath a dominant top.

Oh yeah! Let's out the evil closet queen Rove!

[understandinglife]

158. Respectfully, I think this has nothing to do with Rove. In fact, I think..

....the day "Gannon" entered Rove's life was just as bad a day for Rove as it was for Bu$h.

Until we know to whom "Gannon" reports, we have not even begun to understand the significance of how compromised the situation is, imho. But, those SS logs indicate serious compromise of one of the most 'secure' buildings in the world.

Peace.


www.missionnotaccomplished.us (The.Day.WE.BEGIN.............)

[hector459]

180. No question, Gannon is somebody in the WH gay lover

The big question is whose?

[Liberty Belle]

181. I wish someone could hack into the "Justice" teleconference

to all those evangelical churches and run this story! Ask the good moral values folks to ask the media to investigate why a gay hooker was allowed to sleepover at the WH--and just who was he cuddling up to for these overnight visitations?

[burn the bush]

231. and just who was paying for it?

[spacelady]

190. The reason why I got interested in DU was the Gannon/Guckert story

and I have been subsequently following up on all the permutations. I am originally from Nebraska, so THAT angle surprised me since I was a college student at that time. ANYHOO, the mere fact that this story has refused to die because of the diligent efforts of those that are capable & dedicated enough to DIG DEEP gives me goosebumps of hope and I am grateful to be in on the ground floor of information. THANK YOU & my gut feeling is that this is a HUGE breakthrough and worthy of pursuit.

[satya]

192. It 'd be interesting to match dates w/ pages purged from Talon's website.

[janx]

204. Gannon was a freeper. I don't know how to save these,

but they might prove useful somehow:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/user-posts?id=113711

(There's a link at the bottom for showing more posts.)

[satya]

213. Why, yes they may...hadn't thought of looking there. Thanks. nt

[ebayfool]

232. He posted under more than 1 freeper name, the link you have &

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/user-posts?id=118086
registered since Aug 22, 2003
This one is his alternate freeper id - ConservativeMajority
He used this one to pimp his Talon stories.


here's ANOTHER jimmy/jeff freeper user id - TheConservativeGuy
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/user-posts?name=TheConservativeGuy
registered since Jan 19, 2003

Jeff Gannon id, again -
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/user-posts?name=Jeff+Gannon
registered since Jun 23, 2003

Why the hell did this guy register so many ids at freeperland, so close together? I'm not even sure that this is all of them. I get an extra to pimp his stories, but why more than 2?

[lala_rawraw]

196. Oh, and it seems the trolls have been activated at Raw Story

In the comments... did John hit a nerve?;)

[understandinglife]

199. He certainly did! (nt)

www.missionnotaccomplished.us (The.Day.WE.BEGIN............)

[lala_rawraw]

202. DU Dildos? That is what they called us...

I kid you not, that is what those shmucks are saying!!

[dxstone]

220. DU Dildos?

Ha! They should talk!



DXS
http://presidentevilonline.com

[lala_rawraw]

201. Updated dates/times with notes...(color missing)

The first set of times for each date is Guckert's login and logout. The second set is the briefing time.

Entries in red are missing time in or out or indicate a different entry or exit point than usual. Since the briefings all seem to be in the Brady Room, and reporters are supposed to use the closest door, this might be significant.

Entries in blue are those where Guckert was in the White House when there was no briefing, at a time that started after or ended before that day's briefing, or for several horus before or after the briefing.


2/25/03 11:46 - 1:25 (briefing 12:26-1:03)
2/26 9:56 - 2:17 (unusually long) (briefing 1:25-1:53)
2/27 11:49 - 1:34 (no briefing)
2/28 11:20 - 1:26 (briefing 12:35-1:10)

3/3/03 9:51 - 1:32 (unusually long) (briefing 12:21-1:00)
3/4 11:48 - 1:45 (briefing 12:46-1:20)
3/5 11:56 - 1:57 (briefing 12:21-1:00)
3/6 11:58 - 12:42 (no briefing)
3/6 9:11 pm exit - no entry (Bush press conference, 8 pm)
3/7 3:22 pm exit -- no entry (briefing 2:20-3:00)
3/10 12:47 - 3:11 (briefing 1:23-2:10)
3/11 12:25 - 1:47 (briefing at 12:38 - no end time given)
3/12 12:55 - 2:40 (briefing 1:20-1:59)
3/13 12:12 - 1:55 (briefing 12:40-1:19)
3/14 12:02 - 1:49 (briefing 12:35-1:06)
3/17 12:01 - 1:30 (no briefing)
3/18 12:09 - 1:31 (briefing 12:21-1:05)
3/19 9:38 - 3:27 (unusually long) (12:15-12:59) (Bush speech, 10 pm)
3/20 12:19 - 1:38 (briefing 12:32-1:15)
3/21 10:52 - 12:31 (briefing 2:31-3:12 -- doesn't match)
3/24 1:02 - 2:43 (briefing 1:00-1:44)
3/25 1:45 - 3:30 (briefing 2:30-3:15)
3/28 12:34 - 3:51 (unusually long) (briefing 12:35-1:15)

4/4/03 12:18 - 1:31 (12:20-12:59)
4/9 1:48 - 3:48 (2:32-3:20)
4/10 12:14 - 2:00 (12:20-1:03)
4/11 12:24 - 1:52 (12:15-12:45) (arrives late)
4/14 12:34 - 1:46 (12:30-1:15) (arrives late)
4/21 3:33 - 4:19 (no briefing)
4/22 11:36 - 1:37 (12:30-1:14)
4/23 12:16 - 2:26 (1:17-1:55)
4/25 11:21 - 1:25 (12:19-1:00)
4/28 3:01 - 4:40 (11:08-11:23 -- doesn't match)
4/29 11:25 - 1:10 (12:23-12:58)
4/30 11:37 - 3:14 (unusually long) (12:32-1:19)

5/6/03 11:27 - 12:56 (11:50-12:30)
5/7 11:53 - 1:29 (12:30-1:10)
5/8 1:09 - 7:10 (unusually long) (1:45-2:26)
5/9 9:49 - 11:38 (no briefing)
5/14 12:02 - 1:47 (12:35-1:15)
5/14 5:15 pm - 6:56 pm (second evening visit)
5/15 12:27 - 2:25 (1:08-1:47)
5/16 12:05 - 1:40 (12:35-1:19)
5/20 12:27 - 2:04 (12:55-1:34)
5/27 11:56 - 1:31 (12:23-1:05)
5/28 11:50 - 12:53 (12:05-12:44)
5/28 3:26 - 4:53 (second visit)
5/29 11:42 - 1:43 (12:20-1:00)

6/10/03 12:13 - 1:19 (12:33-1:12)
6/17 12:29 - 1:41 (12:32-1:11)
6/18 12:16 - 1:42 (12:50-1:34)
6/22 3:32 - 4:49 (no briefing)
6/23 1:41 - 2:21 (no briefing)
6/25 12:16 - 1:01 (12:30-12:55)
6/26 11:32 - 12:35 (11:45-12:24)

7/1/03 11:25 - 1:42 (12:50-1:26)
7/2 11:50 - 1:20 (12:35-1:12)
7/3 3:04 - 4:16 (Condi Rice briefing, 3:40-4:10)
7/14 11:33 - 1:32 (Ari's goodbye party) (12:03-12:56)
7/15 12:15 (no exit) (12:38-1:23)
7/16 12:26 - 2:05 (12:50-1:20)
7/17 4:43 - 6:13 (12:36-1:17 -- doesn't match)
7/22 12:23 - 1:53 (12:58-1:35)
7/23 12:21 - 2:23 (1:17-2:07)
7/25 2:08 - 3:30 (2:39-3:15)
7/27 3:08 - 5:24 (no briefing)
7/28 12:53 - 2:04 (briefing 10:12-10:23 -- doesn't match)
7/30 12:13 - 12:45 (no briefing) (Bush press conference earlier than that)

8/1/03 12:18 (no exit) (12:24-12:54)
8/1 12:39 - 1:20 (two sets of times if put together seem to match the briefing)

9/2/03 12:37 (A4 HC Entry Lane, no exit) (12:42-1:23)
9/3 12:10 - 1:18 (12:30-1:10)
9/10 12:17 - 1:32 (12:49-1:23)
9/16 12:23 - 1:59 (1:00-1:39)
9/17 12:12 - 1:55 (1:00-1:41)
9/22 1:54 - 3:06 (no briefing) (Bush meets with Iraqis, remarks end 4:35)
9/25 12:49 - 1:53 (12:48-1:35)
9/26 12:09 - 2:24 (12:36-1:15)
9/29 12:09 - 1:10 (12:18-1:03)

10/1/03 11:51 - 1:37 (12:44-1:30)
10/2 11:52 (no exit) (12:47-1:26)
10/6 12:58 - 6:10 (unusually long) (1:15-1:54)
10/7 12:46 - 2:03 (12:58-1:46)
10/8 12:10 - 1:27 (12:16-12:42)
10/14 12:22 (no exit) (12:40-1:14)
10/27 12:32 - 1:33 (12:39-1:15)
10/28 10:54 - 12:22 (Bush press conference 11:15-12:03)
10/29 12:20 - 1:08 (12:20-12:57)

11/6/03 12:09 - 1:09 (12:35-1:04)
11/12 12:09 - 1:58 (1:10-1:47)
11/14 12:54 - 2:07 (1:36-2:00)
11/21 5:25 - 6:49 (no briefing)
11/24 8:49 - 9:43 (no briefing)

12/2/03 2:08 - 3:29 (no briefing)
12/3 12:03 - 1:11 (12:32-1:06)
12/7 3:25 (no exit - entry via A4 HC Entry Lane) (no briefing)
12/9 12:33 - 1:45 (12:55-1:21)
12/10 12:05 - 1:23 (12:35-1:15)
12/12 11:51 - 1:35 (12:15-12:52)
12/15 10:45 - 12:42 (Bush press conference 11:15-12:03)
12/18 12:44 - 2:28 (2:05-2:43)
12/19 12:21 - 12:56 (B4 Entry Lane 2) (12:30-12:50)
12/19 1:36 - 2:13 (second visit)
12/22 12:15 - 1:23 (12:28-1:01)

1/14/04 12:30 - 1:33 (12:41-1:15)
1/16 12:08 - 12:48 (12:11-12:44)
1/23 11:52 - 1:12 (12:33-1:06)
1/28 11:53 - 1:26 (12:50-1:20)
1/30 12:30 - 1:23 (12:37-1:09)

2/2/04 12:32 - 1:35 (12:48-1:28)
2/3 12:44 - 1:55 (12:54-1:20)
2/4 11:50 - 1:38 (12:56-1:36)
2/6 11:58 - 1:44 (Bush announcement 1:32-37)
2/10 11:50 - 1:55 (12:53-1:38)
2/11 11:57 - 1:09 (12:30-1:02)
2/13 12:07 - 1:08 (12:30-1:02)
2/18 12:04 - 1:29 (12:36-1:08)
2/19 12:05 - 1:30 (12:37-1:14)
2/20 12:32 - 1:29 (12:33-1:03)
2/23 12:55 - 1:17 (12:43-1:10) (arrives late)
2/24 12:06 - 1:52 (1:00-1:36)
2/27 1:55 - 3:39 (2:18-2:48)

3/1/04 12:50 - 2:04 (1:20-2:00)
3/2 12:29 - 1:23 (12:46-1:14)
3/9 12:40 - 1:49 (1:03-1:37)
3/12 12:54 - 1:00 (unusually short) (no briefing)
3/16 12:43 - 1:52 (1:10-1:46)
3/17 12:18 - 1:56 (1:26-1:50)
3/22 12:03 - 2:10 (1:24-2:04)
3/23 12:03 - 1:34 (12:47-1:10)
3/24 12:17 - 2:03 (1:10-2:02)
3/30 exit only, 12:04 (no briefing)
3/30 4:22 - 4:55 (no briefing)

4/1/04 12:42 - 1:57 (1:25-1:53)
4/13 9:42 - 10:29 (no briefing) (Bush speaks to reporters on the WH lawn)
4/13 6:59 pm - 9:49 pm (Bush press conference)
4/16 10:51 - 3:08 (2:41-3:09) (Bush/Blair press conference)
4/21 12:14 - 1:00 (12:31-1:00)
4/27 12:10 (no exit, entry via A4 HC Entry Lane instead of Entry Lane 2) (12:27-12:59)
4/28 12:26 - 1:47 (1:20-1:47)
4/29 11:10 no exit (well before briefing) (Bush and Cheny testify)
4/29 2:15 - 2:57 (2:23-2:56)
4/30 1:24 - 2:47 (2:22-2:45)

5/5/04 12:02 - 2:25 (1:38-2:16) (arrives unusually early)
5/6 12:01 - 3:35 (12:20-12:54) (stays unusually late)
5/10 1:22 - 2:50 (2:02-2:33)
5/12 11:56 - 1:03 (12:34-12:55)
5/24 no entry, exit logged twice, 2:04:43 and 2:04:51 (1:14-1:46)
5/26 12:09 - 1:51 (1:15-1:51)
5/28 2:17 - no exit (3:02-3:34)

6/1/04 9:20 - 12:03 (Condi Rice briefing, 9:45)
6/3 9:02 - 10:32 (no briefing)
6/14 10:02 - 11:45 (no briefing)
6/15 11:03 - no exit (2:25-2:52) (there well before briefing)
6/15 5:19 - 6:38 (B4 Exit Lane instead of usual A4 Exit Reader) (after briefing)
(Bush and Karzai in Press Availability)
6/16 2:50 - 4:34 (no briefing)
6/17 11:57 - 1:25 (12:47-1:20)
6/21 9:27 - 10:03 (no briefing)
6/22 12:13 - 5:04 (unusually long) (Al Gonzales briefing, 3:12-4:55)
6/24 1:27 - 2:13 (Condi Rice briefing, 1:51-2:03)
6/30 12:21 - 1:55 (1:15-1:55)

7/1/04 12:22 - 1:36 (1:01-1:37)
7/2 9:43 - 11:53 (no briefing)
7/6 12:15 - 12:58 (12:33-12:48)
7/8 1:07 - 2:21 (1:53-2:22)
7/15 12:48 - 1:48 (12:54-1:23)
7/19 1:04 - 2:24 (1:52-2:22)
7/21 12:22 - 2:02 (1:10-1:40)
7/22 10:11 - 10:47 (no briefing)
7/29 6:03 - 6:21 (no briefing)

8/2/04 10:59 - 1:47 (1:02-1:39) (there 2 hours early)
8/9 12:07 - 1:03 (12:31-12:59)
8/17 11:06 - 12:31 (no briefing)
8/27 9:10 - 9:37 (no briefing)

9/10/04 11:19 - 12:55 (no briefing)
9/15 12:17 - 1:56 (1:11-1:45)
9/22 11:57 - 12:34 (no briefing)
9/23 11:19 - 1:14 (Bush press conference with Allawi)

11/2/04 1:31 - 2:20 (no briefing) (Election Day)
11/4 9:16 - 12:11 (Bush press conference 11:17-11:57)
11/8 11:50 - 1:08 (12:20-12:52)
11/10 12:35 - 12:58 (12:26-12:45) (arrives late)
11/12 10:57 -- no exit (Bush press conference with Blair)
11/16 12:26 - 1:51 (12:20-1:32) (arrives late)
11/17 12:07 - 2:14 (12:38-1:10)
11/29 12:23 - 1:49 (12:56-1:32)

12/6/04 12:37 - 1:59 (1:03-1:36)
12/8 12:07 - 1:41 (1:05-1:39)
12/10 12:32 - 1:51 (1:06-1:32)
12/13 12:18 - 1:36 (12:50-1:18)
12/14 12:46 - 1:53 (12:48-1:23)
12/17 12:16 - 1:48 (12:47-1:14)
12/20 10:05 - 11:49 (Bush press conference, 10:32-11:25)
12/21 12:00 - 2:04 (12:35-1:10)
12/22 12:04 - 1:08 (no briefing)
12/23 12:31 - 1:26 (no briefing)

1/18/05 12:05 - 1:36 (12:28-12:57)
1/19 12:26 - 1:38 (12:48-1:19)
1/25 12:19 - 1:04 (12:23-12:53)
1/26 9:54 - 10:56 (Bush press conference, 10:00-10:47)
1/31 12:27 - 1:24 (12:45-1:16)

2/1/05 12:11 no exit (12:18-12:47)
2/7 12:10 - 3:00 (1:45-1:06)

[dxstone]

222. You're doin' a WONDERFUL job, lala...

Been following the several threads on all this, had a few ideas to share...

REAL WH reporters of recent past should be able to resolve conclusively JUST HOW VERY PRECISE these visitor logs actually are for journalists (and I expect these records are normally near-flawless, so I await this corroboration with happy anticipation!--I'm sure Maureen Dowd or someone similar will be giving us the low-down tomorrow!)

Karl Rove is a master chess-player, but he is no genius; perhaps his game suffers for the quality of the pieces he commands, but this whole team of imbeciles has shown again and again that they are about as subtle and attentive to detail as the very first monkeys to touch the black monolith in "2001"... the ONLY reason we haven't managed to get any shit to stick to 'em so far is because of the near-perfect collusion of control by an absolutely corrupted popular media, which keeps most people I talk to out there as ignorant of the REAL news in their world as small, carefree children at mindless happy play...

Which makes me worry that this will go nowhere; I mean, MY GOD!... after 9/11, nothing!... after Fahrenheit 9/11, nothing!... will THIS do it?

Man, I really hope so... I am soooo sick of this sad unending tragic slapstick nightmare...

It DEFINITELY has immense potential; I will continue to watch with bated breath!
DXS

------------

THERE'S SOMETHING WEIRD

IN THE WHITE HOUSE!!!

"I LOVE horror movies, man... I just don't want to LIVE in one."
http://presidentevilonline.com

[Selteri]

205. That's just... wow - what a lapse of security.

If that had happened under Clinton they'd have him up on claims of homosexual affairs in office and everything else the republicans could think of.

[DulceDecorum]

210. This is not a lapseof security: this was all highly planned

And I think we need to check out those badge numbers very very closely.
For example, it seems that the DAY PASSES are valid for only one actual day and the numbers are changed frequently.
However on 9/22/2004, badge Number 4580 is used and it is used AGAIN on the next day, 9/23/2004.
http://rawstory.rawprint.com/0405/guckert_access_a3

6/17/2004 and
6/21/2004 Badge Number 48792 is used.
http://rawstory.rawprint.com/0405/guckert_access_a4

3/30/2004 Badge Number 37492
3/31/2004 Badge Number 39438 used for a one-way trip.
4/01/2004 Badge Number 37492 is back in action.

Perhaps one of the reasons for Jeff not getting a permanent hard pass has something to do with there being more than one "Jeff."
Think about it.
He left TWICE on the same day and he didn't even enter on that day.
How did he get his badge?

The Secret Service KNEW of these discrepancies, and we know that for a FACT since these are THEIR records. But they did nothing.

Way back when, in the days of Monicagate, the Clintons had a few loud arguments. The Secret Service would knock politely and ask Bill if everything was OK and he would say it was. Then they would leave.
The Secret Service knew goddam well what was going on and they also knew that they could not move in without permission and permission had been denied.
The pretzel stomped Dubya only because the Secret Service was denied entry into the fracas.

Someone muzzled the Secret Service.
Now we have unmuzzle them.
After all,
WE, the people, are the ones paying their paychecks and
WE, the people, are the one who really get to call the shots.

[Catherine Vincent]

215. "More than one Jeff" Gannon

!

[shifting_sands]

219. To the Investigator

Dulce, what great work you have done and you are right. There could be another explanation for the badge numbers besides 2 Jeffs, and that is someone bringing them to him on the outside. Someone known to the SS with free come and go access to the WH, they could drop the badge off to Gannon the night before he came to the WH.

Friends of mine in DC say since 9/11 security has been unreal, I cannot believe that anyone could come and go in such a sloppy manner without them being attached to someone in the White House who is trusted leaving a permanent open door for Gannon/Guckert. He has got to be buddy buddy with someone well known and with the power to allow what seems to be serious security lapses.

[DulceDecorum]

224. Typo

However on 9/22/2004, badge Number 4580 is used and it is used AGAIN on the next day, 9/23/2004.
http://rawstory.rawprint.com/0405/guckert_access_a3

should read

However on 9/22/2004, badge Number 45480 is used and it is used AGAIN on the next day, 9/23/2004.
http://rawstory.rawprint.com/0405/guckert_access_a3

[DulceDecorum]

230. The Kossacks are on it.

Check this out.
http://rawstory.rawprint.com/0405/guckert_access_a12

3/6/2003 11:58:18 AM 43544 Entry Lane 2
3/6/2003 12:42:41 PM 43544 Exit Reader
3/6/2003 09:11;16 PM 40245 Exit Reader
3/07/2003 03:22:59 PM 37870 Exit Reader
3/10/2003 12:47:10 PM 44384 Entry Lane 2
3/10/2003 03:11:41 PM 44384 Exit Reader
3/11/2003 12:25:33 PM 37870 Entry Lane 2
3/11/2003 01:47:31 PM 37870 Exit Reader

OK.
3/6/2003
Guckert enters, then leaves,
then leaves AGAIN WITH A DIFFERENT PASS.

3/7/2003
Guckert leaves AGAIN AGAIN. Never did enter.

3/10/2003
Guckert enters and leaves like a normal human being.

3/11/2003
Guckert enters with the pass he used to leave-without-entering on 3/6/2003.
Then he leaves using the same pass.

So when do you surrender the pass?
(if you are not JeffJames)
And how long is it valid for?

Those records are chock full of anomalies such as these.
I can hardly wait to see the Kossacks tear into them.

[burn the bush]

233. I'll bet that third 3/6 was an enter not an exit

it was pm and he exited on the seventh?

[NVMojo]

255. The SS have been muzzled by the SS impersonators Bush travels with ....

[Selteri]

309. Well, true, it's highly planned

I was merely pointing out that this choice to let security lapse without confirming he's entered or left is beyond anything acceptable by the same paranoid standards that won't let Denver Democrats enter a town meeting without encountering fake secret servicement and an administration that has done everything it can to bar free speach.

[truthisfreedom]

218. what date was bush "injured" by the pretzel? was that long prior to the

gannongate visits?

[dxstone]

223. Why? Do you think he choked on something other than a pretzel? n/t

[efilon]

221. A few things I noticed on the log pages

8/1/03 12:18 (no exit) (12:24-12:54)

Note: Access Denied (I assume that's what it means) at 12:18 with deny/err but then access granted Normal at 12:39

8/1 12:39 - 1:20 (two sets of times if put together seem to match the briefing)


1/14/04 12:30 - 1:33 (12:41-1:15)

Note: Exit Access denied---notdropd usually says access granted normal


6/15/04 11:03 - no exit (2:25-2:52) (there well before briefing)

Note: badge number 41349 at 11:03 no exit

6/15 5:19 - 6:38 (B4 Exit Lane instead of usual A4 Exit Reader) (after briefing)

Note: badge number 48847

Evidently got a different badge number each time he entered but strangely on 6/15 there is
no exit logged before he entered again with a different badge number.

[caligirl]

225. DU thread with media contacts

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x198836

[jimbot]

240. Er, when did Ari leave?

I'm thinking it was around 2 years ago...when all this visiting started. Visiting Scott perhaps?

--JT

[Straight Shooter]

266. Ari resigned on or about May 21, 2003, in that general time period.

At the same time as Blair's press secretary resigned, which was peculiar but probably not related.

I do not know Ari's last day of servitude to Little Boots at the Monkey Palace.

[glitch]

268. Little Boots at the Monkey Palace

ranks up there with "mad monkey king" and "commander bunnypants".
Thanks for the smile.

[MADem]

280. BASTILLE DAY, French Liberation, bay-bee!

14 July....significant?

[amagusta]

242. Could he have entered without being logged in!

If a higher up can get someone out without being logged, could they get someone in without a log in record?

[pazarus]

243. a google news search on "jeff gannon"

turns up a few links to this story.

I wonder how much they trust Gannon in the White house... maybe he'll write a tell-all book and make himself a couple million dollars (if indeed there were indiscretions).

Or maybe he'll consider it and then die mysteriously of 'natural causes'.

[Gin]

246. Shrub.. WAS... telling the truth.......He did have ..a MANDATE.

g

[QuettaKid]

251. Date of the "pretzel incident"

Was January 13th, 2004.

[Caretha]

263. I believe you meant January 13 "2002" n/t

[rocktivity]

250. AM kick

:headbang:
rocknation

[carnie_sf]

260. Sounds like

there's a closet case at the WH

[Catchawave]

262. Dial up challenged here......oy

sent the raw story link to Countdown/Olbermann. Over and out...

[AnneD]

269. All of this info

and 50 cents still won't get you a cup of coffee. I guess (IMHO)our man Flint was doing his patriotic service to his country. If I am wrong, forgive me. If it walks like a duck...
They wanted to nail Clinton to a cross for what he did, but they don't even raise an eyebrow at this. At least Monica didn't leak sensitive info.....

[Auntie Bush]

282. I think Scott McClellan is his boyfriend. I'd think that every

time he called on him. He grinned with a huge admiring, proud smile whenever he called upon him to ask a question. I know Scottie got married but lots of Gays get married...doesn't prove or disapprove anything.

[MADem]

286. He got married IN A HURRY, to a woman with whom he had

...a LONG DISTANCE RELATIONSHIP. That, in itself, is quite curious to me. Have a gander at this WAPO puff piece on him, it describes him as a "low key PLAYER" and is an (unintentional) eye-opener: http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&node=&contentId=A35616-2003Jul9¬Found=true

Some key paragraphs authored by yet another media whore, Howie Kurtz:
The 35-year-old Texan is soft-spoken, self-deprecating and so cautious that he makes the man he's replacing, Ari Fleischer, sound like a gangsta rapper. And there may never have been a White House spokesman in the television age who recoiled so visibly from the spotlight.

He had met Bush during his mother's campaigns, and one of the governor's top advisers, Karen Hughes, asked him to join the press office in 1999. One day Hughes passed Strayhorn in her car, honked the horn and shouted: "Your son is certainly not afraid of strong women!"

...and this bit, my favorite:
Late last month, when the moment seemed to be at hand, reporters asked McClellan at a briefing if he had any personnel matters to reveal. "I might as well go ahead and announce it," he said. After a pregnant pause, he said he would be getting married in November.

But McClellan refused to identify his fiancee, at least on camera. She is Jill Martinez, a March of Dimes coordinator in Austin. They met at a party last year and have been keeping up a long-distance relationship. And that is about all McClellan will reveal.

"There's enough attention focused on me without going into too much detail on the personal side," he says.

The truth always comes out, even when it isn't immediately apparent!

[stanwyck]

296. He's my choice, too

the "Rock Hudson" arranged quickie marriage and the old "girlfriend" in France story.
But the idea of old KKKarl being his boyfriend is just too delicious to totally discount.

[leQ]

291. god i hope jon stewart gets a hold of this

anyone know his email address?

[SlavesandBulldozers]

292. kicking pm-style

:kick:

[Tesla]

294. I sent it to MoDo

She was pissed about the whole GiGi affair.

[struggle4progress]

301. We need $50 million for a special counsel to investigate this. eom

[MADem]

302. RAWSTORY has a gif up of a smoking letter from the SS, today

This is some damning info, IMHO--not only are we dealing with those horseshit day passes, we are dealing with a 30 day ACCESS LIST. Read this and tell me if I am the only one who has WAY more questions about the "process" to enter the White House.

Raw Story is doing a tremendous service here, there is no WAY this can get swept under the rug...see it and more at http://rawstory.com/exclusives/byrne/secret_service_responds_gannon_425.htm

[QuettaKid]

311. background checks for ALL 3 TYPES.

weren't we told that for his "temporary day pass" no background check was needed? That letter plainly states that for "each of these methods of access to the White House briefing room are initiated by the White House Press Office, and result in a security check to be conducted by the U.S. Secret Service"

[MADem]

328. Pretty funny, huh?

Being a tax scofflaw and a hooker on them there innernets isn't a security issue, apparentlly. Demanding your First Amendment rights, on the other hand, would make you a marked man!

Actually, I'll bet they limit their check to the 'swifty' that is done before you put a kid in the delayed entry program--an ENTNAC (entrance national agency check). They basically scan for warrants and convictions, and a lot of data drops through the cracks. It's friken worthless, frankly!

[demo dutch]

323. Look ing at the records, seems to me he was spending the night?

[captain crunch]

324. The problem I see is, who gives a shit ?

Is this going to win us votes? I doubt it, just a distraction.
Whatever.....

[MADem]

330. Well, Faux covered it on their news alerts yesterday and

Olbermann had it today. AP had it on the wire, and it was picked up by at least a hundred papers across the country. The Guardian had it as well.

The way I see it, the media is cowed. They still have some ability to investigate, not much ability, but they still CAN do it. What they LACK, sadly, is any ability or willingness to INSTIGATE. Either they are told not to, they are too lazy, or they are too frightened. Thus, it is left to people like the folks at Raw Story to feed them these tidbits, like mother birds feeding their young, and hope these lamestreamers gain a bit of strength, grab the chow, and fly with it.

Here is a Faux affiliate's coverage: http://www.fox23news.com/news/national/story.aspx?content_id=56EF9647-EBEC-4658-8A7B-2F4B6EB98DC2 It is essentially the same AP article that has appeared in all AP outlets, from the Boston Globe to the NYT to the San Francisco Examiner.

It's a start...and I don't think this is going away. Conyers and Slaughter are demanding more info, the heat is on.

[Double T]

325. Your Tax Dollars Are Paying For Republican Propaganda And God...

...Knows What Else. The Impeachment Sharks Are Starting To Smell Blood.

[Megahurtz]

333. Well I know what I think.

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