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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-03 09:24 AM
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Clark leads Bush in New York poll
Clark leads Bush in New York poll
10/1/2003 9:00 AM
(AP)http://www.wroctv.com/news/story.asp?id=10417&r=l
Voters in New York state are increasingly unhappy with the job President Bush is doing, and he
now trails several Democratic presidential contenders in the latest poll, including retired General
Wesley Clark.
The Quinnipiac University poll out today shows Bush's approval rating falling to its lowest rating
ever -- 42 percent -- among registered voters in New York state. That compares to his 52
percent approval rating in a Quinnipiac poll in late June. More...
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THUNDER HANDS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-03 09:26 AM
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1. yes please
hold your convention in NYC, we'd love to greet you.

:)

This is gonna be such a disaster for Bush and Co.
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JaneQPublic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-03 09:28 AM
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2. Congrats to Clark and his supporters
My hats off to anyone who beats Chimpy anywhere, anytime.

However, likewise to the other "several Democratic presidential contenders" whom Chimpy now trails in this poll.
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JPace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-03 09:30 AM
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3. Those sensible New Yorkers.....
they know its time for big change and
they will support it. All of our candidates
are superior to AWOL, any one of them would
be a big improvement!
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VolcanoJen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-03 09:33 AM
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4. The lastest CNN Bush Approval Poll is due at 4:00
It should be interesting to see if WilsonGate has affected Bush's national rating yet...
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tabasco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-03 09:35 AM
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5. I love NY !!!
Great Americans!
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ozone_man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-03 09:37 AM
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6. Any of the Democratic challengers.
I wonder why they just post the DLC candidates?

"The poll found that New York state -- where Democrats heavily outnumber Republicans -- would chose any of the several Democratic challengers over Bush, a reversal of the president's lead in the June survey."
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DoveTurnedHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-03 09:44 AM
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7. Because It's All Clark, All the Time
Get used to it. Clark is media-savvy and media-attractive, and that's one advantage that I'm willing to accept, in this era of the whore media!

DTH
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ozone_man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-03 03:32 PM
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12. Maybe it's time to change that.
Sorry, but I'm not voting for a media whore.
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-03 04:44 PM
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16. Is the media picking Clark for you? Really?





RESIDENTIAL RACE
With Clark on Fire, Calls of Liar, Liar
http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/commentary/la-op-marshall28sep28,1,6989680.story?coll=la-news-comment-opinions

By Joshua Micah Marshall, Joshua Micah Marshall
covers
politics and foreign affairs. He publishes
talkingpointsmemo.com

WASHINGTON — Is retired Gen. Wesley Clark, the
former NATO
supreme allied commander, an erratic liar? He
is if you believe the
spin coming out of the conservative hit
machines that cranked into
action as soon as Clark announced his intention
to run for president
as a Democrat.

Success in politics sometimes comes down to
which side can tell the
most compelling story — and, even more
important, which side can
tell it first.

That simple truth has triggered a manic,
win-at-all-costs drive to
"define" Clark in the worst terms possible so
that he won't be able to
knock the president out of the White House next
November. In his
newsletter last week, Washington's highly
respected political
handicapper Charlie Cook correctly noted that
"for the White House,
it is particularly important that Clark's
credibility be impeached as
soon as possible." The White House and its
media allies clearly agree.

Before Clark's entry into the race a little
more than a week ago, there
were nine other candidates in the Democratic
field. But none had
garnered even a fraction of the invective Clark
is now receiving — not
even former Vermont Gov. Howard Dean, a
front-running candidate
whose politics put him decidedly at odds with
President Bush.
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CMT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-03 09:47 AM
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8. Dean is statistically tied with Clark 18-17 percent
in this same poll. All of our candidates--Clark, Dean, Gephardt, Lieberman, and Kerry beat Bush from anywhere from 2-7 points.

Dean has also come on strong since the last Quinnipiac poll in NY where he was at 9%--a gain of 8-points since June.
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Rose Siding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-03 09:56 AM
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9. Maybe we won't allow the media to choose
for us this time!
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-03 10:01 AM
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10. We didn't allow them to choose last time either. The felonious five did nt
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Rose Siding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-03 04:10 PM
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15. correction noted but!
I will always believe that the lack of neutrality in the media cost the votes that would have made the election impossible to steal.
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-03 04:54 PM
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17. Notice this media outlet only notes that Clark beats Bush, tho Dean does 2
Headline:
Clark Leads Bush in New York Poll

Who is this article choosing for us?
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damnraddem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-03 03:09 PM
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11. Not nearly low enough ... yet.
Edited on Wed Oct-01-03 03:13 PM by damnraddem
But headed the correct direction.

And look at Hillary! Of course, the rest of the country is not New York (in case anyone hadn't noticed).
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Melinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-03 03:47 PM
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13. Link to actual poll:
http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x8316.xml

Gen. Wesley Clark tops Bush in New York 48 -- 41 percent in the 2004 face-off. Other Democratic contenders have gained on Bush since the June 26 survey:

Sen. Hillary Clinton beats Bush 51 -- 43 percent, compared to a 47 -- 47 tie June 26;
Connecticut Sen. Joseph Lieberman tops Bush 49 - 42 percent, a reversal of Bush's 49 -- 43 percent lead;
Massachusetts Sen. John Kerry tops Bush 48 -- 43 percent, reversing Bush's 48 -- 43 percent lead;
Missouri Congressman Richard Gephardt gets 46 percent to Bush's 44 percent, a tie and a slip from Bush's 49 -- 43 percent lead;
Former Vermont Gov. Howard Dean tops Bush 47 -- 43 percent
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ozone_man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-03 07:26 PM
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18. This is the way the post should have presented the data.
Looks like 5 can all beat Bush at this point (Clinton isn't running). Who knows, maybe even Kucinich beats Bush. I could vote for him. Lots of time left and many debates, and much more bad economic news in the next year to sink Bush.

I suppose a more useful poll might be who likely Democratic primary voters would vote for. All can beat Bush, but who will get the chance?
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UnapologeticLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-03 04:05 PM
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14. So do Dean, Kerry, Lieberman and Gephardt
This poll is great news - it shows all of the major Democratic candidates beating Bush. I know it is New York, a state Gore won with over 60%, but a few months ago even the Gore states were looking vulnerable, so this is a good sign.

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