Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

Students allegedly watched assault ..( Raped in school!!)

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » Latest Breaking News Donate to DU
 
seriousstan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-12-05 06:10 PM
Original message
Students allegedly watched assault ..( Raped in school!!)
16-year-old girl was pulled into the Mifflin High School auditorium, warned to be silent, punched in the head and forced to perform oral sex on at least two boys as dozens of other students ran to watch, according to student-witness statements compiled by Columbus Public Schools.

After school officials found the victim dazed, bleeding from the mouth and with a swollen face on March 9, their main concern appeared to be keeping the news media from finding out what had happened, according to statements by various school officials obtained by The Dispatch.

The police were not contacted until the girls father called them later that afternoon.

In addition, part of the alleged sexual assault was videotaped by a student, the statements show.

http://www.dispatch.com/news-story.php?story=dispatch/2005/04/12/20050412-A1-01.html&chck=t

You MUST read this entire article!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
Crandor Donating Member (320 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-12-05 06:12 PM
Response to Original message
1. URL didn't work for me
Edited on Tue Apr-12-05 06:14 PM by Crandor
It said I had to enable cookies, even though I already have them enabled.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Danocrat Donating Member (485 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-12-05 06:20 PM
Response to Reply #1
11. Same here
And I'm in Columbus and haven't heard this yet. Maybe it will be on the local news tonight but I doubt it. Doesn't really fit in with family values, does it?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
UpInArms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-12-05 06:36 PM
Response to Reply #1
21. same here
btw - Welcome to DU Crandor! :hi:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Voltaire99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-13-05 02:54 AM
Response to Reply #1
95. FYI: NY Times coverage is far better
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
BillyDoc Donating Member (115 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-13-05 11:55 AM
Response to Reply #1
140. A Nation of Kitty Genovese's Neighbors
In the early morning hours of March 13, 1964, a 28-year-old woman by the name of Kitty Genovese was returning home after working late at her job. She was less than 35 yards from her own apartment in an upscale area of Queens, New York, when she was attacked and stabbed by an assailant.. She screamed, lights came on, and a man shouted at the assailant from his window, causing him to withdraw. The assailant ran and hid, then returned within minutes and stabbed Ms. Genovese again. There were more screams, and lights again went on in the apartments all around, and Kitty's assailant again fled. Ms. Genovese managed to get to her feet after this second attack, and stagger to her doorway. A bus passed by but didn't stop--even though she must have been bleeding profusely--and the assailant returned for the third time. After all, no one was seriously assisting the helpless young woman. His third attack was fatal.

Read about this incident and how we have become an entire Nation of Kitty Genovese's neighbors at: http://breakthelink.org/The%20reason%20why.php

Then consider going to the root URL (http://breakthelink.org) and opting out of inclusion in this despicable group by doing something positive to help . . . in spite of personal danger, intimidation, and fear of "being different." You will feel much better if you do. Really!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
7th_Sephiroth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-12-05 06:12 PM
Response to Original message
2. cant acess site
football players i presume?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-12-05 06:25 PM
Response to Reply #2
15. while i hate that this happened -- your comment 7th
completely uncalled for -- and wrong.

from what i've read they have not released who did it.

or what sports hobbies they played -- which is irrelevant.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
SlavesandBulldozers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-12-05 06:35 PM
Response to Reply #15
20. i'm going to defend 7th
its a valid assumption until further details are revealed.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
SidDithers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-13-05 07:17 AM
Response to Reply #20
110. Chess club, I presume?...
Just as valid an assumption, wouldn't you say?

Or perhaps, there shouldn't be any assumptions about students without details to back it up.

Sid
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
TexasSissy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-13-05 06:35 PM
Response to Reply #110
172. Well, there IS a difference. There's NEVER been a case where a
few chess club members have assaulted a female student, that I'm aware of. There have been A NUMBER of cases where male students involved in athletics have done just that.

Since statistically it's valid to ask the question, it's okay.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
GiovanniC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-05 01:23 PM
Response to Reply #172
202. That's Because Chess Club Members Are Too Physically Weak
Stereotypes fuckin' rule.





:sarcasm:

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
SlavesandBulldozers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-05 06:12 PM
Response to Reply #110
209. i didn't say there should be assumptions.
i simply said it was safe to assume. i don't like having to assume that, but I do nonetheless - and regrettably.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
JPZenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-13-05 08:30 AM
Response to Reply #20
116. If any doubt, they should have called the police
If there was ANY doubt whether coercion was involved, the police should have been called. It is their job to make that judgement after an investigation, not the job of an assistant principal.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Xavi Donating Member (17 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-05 07:09 PM
Response to Reply #116
214. What makes me sick
is the fact that the principal is a woman, and she let this happen and didn't call the police.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
RPM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-13-05 09:21 AM
Response to Reply #20
118. feh...
classifying people like that is repugnant.

try these on for size:

-the Ni***rs must have done it
-the poor kids must have done it

Do those make you cringe; perhaps you should have cringed at teh football players remark too...

:eyes:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
IA_Seth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-13-05 09:16 PM
Response to Reply #118
186. Agreed
I agree with you, that has to be one of the more ignorant things I have heard in a long time.

It is crazy how many people are so unbelievably judgmental lately. Just the other day in response to an article about an abusive police officer it was assumed the officer must have had a shaved head and "too big" biceps.

I have a freakin shaved head. I played football. I loved sports in school and still do today. I am pretty fit. But I am also very involved in my local Democratic party and have done my part (and still do) to help Democrats be elected.

This type of stereotyping is in the same vein as racism, sexism, and classism.

Ugh.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
RPM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-05 07:29 PM
Response to Reply #186
217. thank you seth
this bald headed former football player hears you loud and clear. I am sick and tired of people calling me a thug on this thread just because I went bald at 22 and have shaved my head ever since and because I enjoyed a violent sport.

I guess I'll never be a 'real' democrat :eyes:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
SlavesandBulldozers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-05 06:21 PM
Response to Reply #118
210. no i didnt cringe
nobody chooses to be one color or another, and nobody chooses to be poor. i embrace humanity in in all its glorious forms and believe that classifying such people is stupid.

That said I have no problem classifying people, because IMHO the erroneous classifications are the ones that reveal biases and bigotry.

I also happen to know that football players are a demographic in a school setting with a high inclination to physical violence. I won't be ashamed in my assumption if im wrong when further details emerge, because that fact will still stand.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
RPM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-05 07:26 PM
Response to Reply #210
215. then don't be annoyed when...
the football players have stereotypes about "band geeks"

or do you want to have your cake and eat it too?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
SlavesandBulldozers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-05 04:43 PM
Response to Reply #215
225. good point
but you do agree that a band geek is less likely than a football player to commit sexual assault, right?

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
MissMarple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-12-05 06:47 PM
Response to Reply #15
35. With CU's sex assault troubles and all, I can see why he said that.
And Columbine, and a few other assault cases in the past. In many schools the athletic culture is out of control. And it's sad good programs are are viewed through the same dark light.

So, perhaps mistaken...
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Pachamama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-12-05 11:03 PM
Response to Reply #35
84. Their Highschool "Mascot" - The Mifflin High "Punchers"...No Kidding...
http://www.columbus.k12.oh.us/mifflin_high/3STUDINT/Sports/sptsframe.htm

Couldn't make this up if I tried...and we all wonder why there is so much violence amongst our kids...they play games like "Grand Theft Auto" and have sports teams like "The Punchers"....sick....our society is sick...
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-12-05 07:21 PM
Response to Reply #15
56. you're right
It might have been basketball players
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Occulus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-12-05 07:40 PM
Response to Reply #15
59. hate to break it to you, but
jocks in high school care for.... other jocks.

It's not just football, it's all sports. People who are accomplished in high school sports, by and large, are problems for those who aren't so accomplished.

"Bandfags" are especially vulnerable. There's no appreciation- either you're a "jock", or (to them) you're a loser. Especially if you are smart and talented.

Those things don't matter- only "winning", and by extension, sports.

Where do you think all the athletic money goes? It's not to provide marching band uniforms!

(the latter is an athletic activity. Try it and see. It comped out from a phys ed requirement the students in my HS who were band members. But "jocks" don't much care about that part.)
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
IA_Seth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-13-05 09:19 PM
Response to Reply #59
187. UGH!
I hate to break it to you but you are dead wrong!

Not only wrong that "jocks only care for other jocks" but wrong in you whole frame of mind being judgmental based on someone's activities such as sports!

It is shocking..SHOCKING..to read these posts on a PROGRESSIVE message board.

I don't understand this place anymore.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Occulus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-05 02:30 AM
Response to Reply #187
197. I've spent most of my life being judged FOR my activities.
And it's come, for the most part, from the direction I mentioned.

"wrong in you whole frame of mind being judgmental based on someone's activities such as sports!"

Turning the other cheek and trying to ignore it all has never done me any good; I guess it depends on where you come from. Maybe you were given the benefit of the doubt even though you didn't "fit in", but I never was, and the bad treatment mostly came from that particular group.

Get back to me when your home state legislates against " activities", and uses that legislation as a springboard to take away from you rights guaranteed to all. Different group, but the same mentality: attack and destroy everyone who doesn't "fit in". In that sense, "jocks" are only one small, juvenile part of a much larger set.

Oh, and a single word to help you understand this place: anger.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
gardenista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-13-05 09:49 PM
Response to Reply #59
190. Yes, and it is this mentality that has taken over our country. nt
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
7th_Sephiroth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-12-05 08:32 PM
Response to Reply #15
69. going from personal experience
football players get super prefrencial treatment
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Placebo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-12-05 09:35 PM
Response to Reply #69
74. And basketball players.
At my high school, it was sickening. All the basketball players were like best friends with the Principal, you'd see them in her office just laughing it up and they walked around like they were such hot shit, and DID get away with way more than a "normal" student might. f'n fascists.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
7th_Sephiroth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-12-05 09:58 PM
Response to Reply #74
75. they jumped me in a parking lot, got caught on security camera
i got stabbed, broke the QB's arm, the principal got caught destroying the tape
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
RPM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-13-05 09:23 AM
Response to Reply #75
119. so if a football player beat you up...
... its ok for you to badmouth football players.

So if a black person beat me up, I can go around badmouthing all black people too?

get real :eyes:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Lerkfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-13-05 09:49 AM
Response to Reply #119
128. 7's point, although conjecture, does bring up a valid issue...
(even if it turns out to be irrelevant in this particular case) the issue being that crimes committed by sports players are more likely to be covered up by administrators than crimes by other students.

Witnessed it myself many times. The old "boys will be boys" defense for cover ups. I saw a lot of behavior from sports players that were not only bypassed by normal discipline procedures, but in some cases, encouraged by faculty as they occurred. I personally witnessed the football team grab a "geek" in the shower after gym, do a "dogpile" on him and force him to the team's jocks over his mouth and face while being taunted with various homophobic slurs. The coach was not only a witness, he was orchestrating it. The only reason he finally stopped it was because he realized having 8 heavy guys on your chest and jocks stuffed in your face was probably preventing the kid from breathing.
Unless some discipline happened behind the scenes, I never saw any punishment against the students involved.


Of course, I'm 46, so I would have hoped that situation no longer happens, but I would not be surprised if it continues.

7's point is that sports players are wrongly accorded a select set of looser behaviour rules compared to regular students.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-13-05 12:24 PM
Response to Reply #119
145. Deleted message
Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.
 
7th_Sephiroth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-13-05 07:23 PM
Response to Reply #119
177. i'm sorry
i pissed off the all-holy quarterback of our lord the football team, the knife in my arm and the blow to the back of the head with the brass knuckles was just what i deserved, i messed up the concentration of the quarter back, and gasp, if he wasent arrested for assault and attempted murder, i might have cost the school the game
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
RPM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-05 07:28 PM
Response to Reply #177
216. yeah that sux, but
don't go paint me with the same brush that you painted that asshole with.

I played 6 years of football and never assaulted anyone.

:eyes:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-05 11:52 PM
Response to Reply #216
222. 6 years of high school football?
.....just curious.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
RPM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-05 07:06 PM
Response to Reply #222
224. yes
2 years of JV and 4 years of varsity
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
7th_Sephiroth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-05 12:00 AM
Response to Reply #216
223. i'm not saying all football players are rapists
but a rape, on school grounds, and the administration is covering it up, they must bring in good money to the school through the foose ball or baskets ball
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
IA_Seth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-13-05 09:20 PM
Response to Reply #119
188. Halle-freakin-lujah! n/t
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-13-05 06:33 PM
Response to Reply #75
171. Hope principal got fired
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
7th_Sephiroth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-13-05 07:17 PM
Response to Reply #171
175. arrested
as an acomplice to conspiract to commit attempted murder and assault
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
nonconformist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-13-05 04:25 AM
Response to Reply #69
98. I dunno... their football team sucks
http://www.columbus.k12.oh.us/mifflin_high/

I'd bet that school officials were more worried about covering their own asses than covering for the boys.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Jamastiene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-13-05 05:01 AM
Response to Reply #69
100. Yes
In my hometown it is considered blasphemy if you don't pay attention to the the freaking Raiders football team. They always have this homecoming game where they play against the bucks and have a parade that they let all the schools out early to go watch the cheerleaders parade a real dead deer on a float through the streets. Those were the same people who used to beat up the guys I was friends with in high school. They were also the ones who got 99% of the budget for more and more crap they didn't even need while the art classes were all but nonexistant and forget music classes. Now the band got a little funding so they could play at the football games, but regular music classes not associated with the football team were few and far between.

I don't even want to get started on how they managed to get diplomas without even being able to read. They also get their college education completely free just because they can bouncy the ball. ????? That's what is wrong with the education system in a nutshell.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
MeinaShaw Donating Member (208 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-12-05 10:37 PM
Response to Reply #15
81. Way too simplisitic
That is stereotyping to the highest order to say that this is characteristic of jocks. Life does not fit so neatly into our little boxes as this. Says more about your prejudices than anything someone should take seriously.

Sorry to be so harsh. I just don't think it is right to paint an entire group of people as condoning this sort of thing. I am quite certain they do not.

Where was the kid to step in and stop it. That is really the most important issue. That students watched and did nothing to stop it is as serious a crime as what was done to this girl.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Spangle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-12-05 11:08 PM
Response to Reply #81
85. IT's reality in most schools
Stereotyping isn't the problem. The problem is WHY are they stereotyped that way. WHY do they thing they get special rights? That is a very reasonable question.

For them kids to think they could get away with this WITH witnesses, then..... They knew they could. The kids watching it knew it as well. Those abusers will be back in school the next day and will be dealing with the rats. NOTHING would have been done. As you can see, the school was trying to cover the matter up. It was ONLY because the FATHER raised a stink.....

So, what exactly was the students suppose to report and to whom? In that kind of envirment, just being in the wrong place at the wrong time, standing out in a crowd, can make you just as much the victum. Telling will do nothing but cause more problems for everyone. But then one must DEAL with not doing anything. And the knowledge that if it happened to you, everyone would be powerless to prevent it.

Pretty sick world our kids live in. So much for being protected.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
MeinaShaw Donating Member (208 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-13-05 12:09 AM
Response to Reply #85
90. Of course you are correct
I agree with everything you say and I hope my comments did not dimish how horrible this is. Perhaps I am too idealistic. My older brother would have done something though. I remember when we were in school he would step in if some kid was getting picked on and stop it. He was cool and no one messed with him. I loved that about him. Seemed like everyone in the school either liked him or respected him. I've never seen anyone that could fit in with so many different groups of people like he could.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
IA_Seth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-13-05 09:23 PM
Response to Reply #85
189. WHAT?!
"The problem is WHY are they stereotyped that way. WHY do they thing they get special rights? That is a very reasonable question."

WHAT?!

Why are minorities sterotyped the way they are? Why are gays and lesbians stereotyped the way they are?

Because ignorant people who can't think outside of the box have a negative experience and project to an entire classification of people, thats why!

AAAHHH!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Occulus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-05 02:36 AM
Response to Reply #189
198. you're not getting anywhere
you're ignoring the fact that there are cliques in school. Some are larger than others. In towns that glorify high school sports, the athletes are, for the most part, immune.

And the above poster was dead-on correct about funding. I could mention experiences I had in classes in my high school where coaches were also teachers. Needless to say, "team members" always, always, at least passed, no matter the work they produced.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Jamastiene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-13-05 04:14 AM
Response to Reply #15
97. Don't EVEN get me started
It's almost always the freaking jocks who do these kinds of things. Witness the 90's grunge revolution and the truth coming out. Jocks have been raping girls and beating the good guys up since the beginning of time. Not to mention the fact that the educational budget in most schools in America is usurped by bouncy the ball games over academics every single time. It's always "the football team needs a new sign this year because the old one got some dust on it" last year. Sorry debate team, you'll have to pay your own way if you want to try to make it to the state championship and you'll have to do it without one iota of support from the parents or the school. It's a perfectly valid assumption that the kind of barbaric behavior this girl had to endure falls squarely on the wide souped up pumped up shoulders of the jocks. And if you want to pretend that jocks can do no wrong, then tell me why they never use those muscles to protect a girl??? Where the fuck were they to do something about this if they are such heroes? I can assure you that the nerdy kid who gets stuffed in his locker by your precious jocks wouldn't do that to a girl and he certainly wouldn't have a buddy there to watch him. This is classic testosterone out of control behavior. Where were you when our grievances were aired about this back in the 90's?

BTW, FYI, for the record, the bottom line is that the non sports people wouldn't be able to get by with such a thing and the school certainly wouldn't try to hide it from the media and the police would have been called. It's beyond a fair assumption that the rapists were jocks. The school wouldn't have reacted by doing nothing if it hadn't been.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-13-05 04:44 PM
Response to Reply #97
160. Great rant!
:thumbsup:

My high school was like that too: no expenses spared for athletics, but we can't offer four years of languages because there's no money.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
lateo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-13-05 11:37 AM
Response to Reply #15
135. It is a generality that is close to the mark...
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
CO Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-13-05 07:34 PM
Response to Reply #15
178. It's Happened Before
Edited on Wed Apr-13-05 07:35 PM by CO Liberal
A group of jocks raped a special ed student with objects ranging from a broomstick to a small baseball bat. They were all convicted, and until they were, they thought they's get away wqith it because they were on the football team.

The following is from the ACJU Sports Hall of Shame page (http://www.nostatusquo.com/ACLU/SportsHallofShame/SportsList2.html):

March 1989: Thirteen Glen Ridge (NJ) High School football and baseball players are accused of the sexual assault of a retarded teenager with a broomstick and a miniature baseball bat. Four of the students are eventually convicted in 1993; then in their early twenties, they are sentenced to being held in a youth facility and to serve probation.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
FizzFuzz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-13-05 06:24 PM
Response to Reply #2
169. statistically it's likely you're right, Sephiroth
I just posted below about this.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Anakin Skywalker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-12-05 06:14 PM
Response to Original message
3. Lots of criminals and/or their pals
are videotaping themselves committing sick acts these days. It's as though they are proud of the deeds. What a sick, electronic-age culture.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Tigress DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-12-05 07:14 PM
Original message
Maybe the video was to make sure the Girl gets Justice and this isn't ...
swept under the rug. It's regular people with video camera's that are proving the truth.... we have to be our own media these days.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
icymist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-12-05 07:24 PM
Response to Original message
57. More likely to show off to their friends:
From one of the links below:
Police said one of the students videotaped her performing the sex act and then took the video equipment to math class to show other students, NBC 4's Nancy Burton reported.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-13-05 09:30 AM
Response to Original message
120. Possibly, but that doesn't always help.
The gang rape of a 16-y.o. girl at a party while she was passed out drunk was taped, and the only one of her attackers who has been forced to stand trial was acquitted.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Placebo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-12-05 06:14 PM
Response to Original message
4. Link to the AP article:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
sendero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-12-05 06:17 PM
Response to Reply #4
7. Let me get this straight..
... they have video, but nobody has been arrested?

What the Fuck?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-12-05 07:02 PM
Response to Reply #7
50. The girl was found dazed and bleeding
but the school didn't call the cops? WHAT THE HELL????

I hope her father is calling lawyers, lots of them.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-12-05 10:29 PM
Response to Reply #50
79. Not surprising
Back in the 1970s, my mother was a ward clerk on an adolescent psych unit in a major Minneapolis hospital, and some of the boys raped a girl while the nurses and counselors was in a meeting. (This was not on my mother's shift but on the weekend.) You'd think the professional staff would know enough not to leave a bunch of unstable teenagers unsupervised, but they did leave them without anyone watching them.

When the girl complained, the psychologists and nurses did everything they could to try to discredit her, saying that she had a crush on one of the boys and was getting back at him for rejecting her. They even said that she had self-inflicted the bite marks on her breasts.

Then two things happened. One boy in the group of rapists broke ranks and confessed that the rape had indeed taken place. The girl phoned her parents.

It was all settled in a hush-hush manner after a gynecologist examined the girl and said that she had definitely been raped. The hospital paid a huge settlement to the girl, but the boys were never prosecuted.

The first instinct of anyone in charge of a large institution is to cover said institution's ass.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
LisaL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-12-05 10:37 PM
Response to Reply #79
80. Hopefully, the rapists in this case won't get off that easy.
After all, the crime is on tape.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Fifth of Five Donating Member (241 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-13-05 02:19 PM
Response to Reply #79
158. CYA is the norm
The first instinct of anyone in charge of a large institution is to cover said institution's ass.

Last week near here one of the high schools had a hit-list going around (racially motivated). Wednesday through Friday there were between 40 and 50 LEOs at the school. News reports galore. Looked bad.

Then on Friday had the same thing happen at the middle school associated with the high school. The only students on the list were three black students (the only three in their grade).

Were the parents notified? Were the police called? Were any steps taken to make sure the students felt and were safe in the school?

You guessed it - the answer to all the questions is no. Apparently the principal wanted to keep the media away at all costs. His excuse - it's just a copycat. Well, if I recall correctly, this could fall into the category of terroristic threatening and is a crime, copycat or no.

It is quite a risk for a school administrator to assume nothing bad is going to happen. Problems like this don't just go away. There needs to be consequences to people's actions.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Jamastiene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-13-05 05:57 AM
Response to Reply #50
104. Like a couple dozen at least.
It's a sad sad day that sodomy on a handicapped school aged girl doesn't even cause anyone to blink an eye. What a bunch of assholes.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Pachamama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-12-05 11:08 PM
Response to Reply #7
86. Mifflin High Mission Statement:
"The Mifflin High School Community is dedicated to the use of available resources to provide quality instructional programs in a safe, clean and orderly environment through which all students will develop to their highest potential, demonstrate mutual respect and prepare for a productive role in our society."

http://www.columbus.k12.oh.us/mifflin_high/3STUDINT/Sports/sptsframe.htm

Sounds like the Principal, Asst Principals and entire staff and community failed their mission...
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
AngryAmish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-13-05 07:05 AM
Response to Reply #86
109. That mission statement is why the cover-up happened
Or is symptomatic of the mindset. First, it is feel-good gobbledygook. Second, the is grammatically awful. Third, and most importantly, it means nothing. All it accomplished is to make whoever thought it up feel better, and allowed them to think it makes the makers look smart.

There are so many dimwits in education.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-13-05 04:36 PM
Response to Reply #109
159. As there are in business, which is where the idea of the mission statement
Edited on Wed Apr-13-05 04:37 PM by Lydia Leftcoast
originated.

Mission statements are complete nonsense, feel-good exercises in which people of limited intellect waste a lot of time coming up with big words to describe what they think the public will want to hear about what they're doing.

How did anyone ever knew what they were supposed to do before mission statements became all the rage in the 1980s?

I have spent way too many hours in committee meetings in which people wrangled over the commas in mission statements.

If I ever founded a company or a non-profit institution, its mission statement would be:

Mission Statement

We don't have one. An organization that needs a bunch of empty words to remind it of what it's supposed to be doing is too pathetic to exist. :-)
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
AngryAmish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-13-05 04:53 PM
Response to Reply #159
161. Oh, I so agree about business nitwits
Luckily, I don't deal much with corporate types in my line of work.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
FizzFuzz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-13-05 06:14 PM
Response to Reply #159
166. great post!
very funny, I love it :D

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Jamastiene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-13-05 05:21 AM
Response to Reply #7
102. WTF????
I'm with you on that. It's so typical of our culture nowadays. Rape is just another part of the schoo day. And people ask me why I don't want to have children???
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
expatriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-12-05 06:20 PM
Response to Reply #4
9. that principal needs to be arrested for being an accomplice
this is a fucking OUTRAGE! disability groups, child advocacy groups, women groups need to be on this like flies on pigshit!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
icymist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-12-05 06:49 PM
Response to Reply #9
36. That principal, the assistant principals and anyone watching...
the crime while not reporting to proper authorties! Afraid of what the media would say...what utter bullshit!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-12-05 06:54 PM
Response to Reply #9
42. Yahoo article says principal will
be fired.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Anakin Skywalker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-12-05 08:28 PM
Response to Reply #42
66. Damn Right The Principal Should Be
FIRED! In fact, I hope she never gets another job supervising anything ever again!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-12-05 08:37 PM
Response to Reply #66
70. Oh I agree
This is the most horrible story I have read in a long time.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
KurtNYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-13-05 10:45 AM
Response to Reply #42
133. Only fired? He urged the father not to call the police
That is accessory after the fact IMHO.

Whoever, knowing that an offense...has been committed, receives, relieves, comforts or assists the offender in order to hinder or prevent his apprehension, trial or punishment, is an accessory after the fact.

He is eligible for up to half the sentence of the rapists.

http://www.law.harvard.edu/publications/evidenceiii/statutes/access.htm
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Hobarticus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-13-05 11:48 AM
Response to Reply #133
138. Yes, he should be charged as an accessory after the fact...eom
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-05 01:10 AM
Response to Reply #133
194. It's also a violation
of federal child abuse laws.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
mbperrin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-12-05 06:58 PM
Response to Reply #9
47. Yes, the principal, the APs, and everyone else there needs to be
arrested and convicted!

The adults have violated their oath to immediately report any and all abuse, or suspicion of abuse.

Even in TEXAS, this will get you fired and prosecuted, just to give you an idea.......
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Dinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-13-05 09:42 AM
Response to Reply #9
125. Yes;I'm A Teacher & I Agree
Unbelievable. Yes, the principal & other are accomplices.

The girl and her family should sue this school & administration for all they can. Money won't change it, but it should be enough to send a message not only to this school district, but to others as well.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Career Prole Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-12-05 06:22 PM
Response to Reply #4
12. F*cking animals...pardon my temper.
I hope the administrators are out of education for life. :grr:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
UpInArms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-12-05 06:39 PM
Response to Reply #4
26. OMG this is sick
School officials found the girl bleeding from the mouth. An assistant principal cautioned the girl's father against calling 911 to avoid media attention, the statements said. The girl's father called police.

These animals deserve to live under the jail. :grr:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Placebo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-12-05 06:45 PM
Response to Reply #26
33. They really do.
I mean, you send your kids to school in good faith that the faculty and staff will care for them as they would their own children, and then something like this happens. Disgusting.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Cooley Hurd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-13-05 04:33 AM
Response to Reply #26
99. "assistant principal cautioned the girl's father against calling 911..."
"...to avoid media attention."

My God...

What a fucking SICK and TWISTED act on behalf of the asst principal. He should be fired AND charged with obstructing justice!:mad::grr::mad:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-13-05 09:32 AM
Response to Reply #99
121. She... the principal is a she.
:cry:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
GoddessOfGuinness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-13-05 05:59 PM
Response to Reply #121
163. And that makes it even more appalling
This makes me want to vomit.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
raccoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-13-05 12:47 PM
Response to Reply #26
146. I hope those administrators are out of education forever, too
and also, the bastards who did this to the girl are animals, too.

And those who watched and did nothing are, to say the least, contemptible. I don't guess I'll ever get used to the way so many people are sheeple.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
MountainLaurel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-12-05 06:53 PM
Response to Reply #4
41. Those Jersey Boys
All over again. The high school athletes who raped the mentally handicapped girl with a fucking broomstick, and the whole town poured out their hearts in support. FOR THEM.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-13-05 06:10 AM
Response to Reply #41
106. I was thinking about that case, too
The girl was also developmentally disabled, and the majority of the town came out against HER, "the little slut, she wanted it." In that high school/town, the jocks were quite literally allowed to get away with anything. The title of the book about it is "Not My Kids." A good read.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
KurtNYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-13-05 10:55 AM
Response to Reply #41
134. And Mepham High School
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-13-05 11:38 AM
Response to Reply #134
136. Wondering how many of these crimes football players are responsible for.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
pelagius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-13-05 06:42 PM
Response to Reply #134
173. Ahh... the Mepham High Ass Pirates, truly...
...a study in the character-building qualities of organized athletics.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Pachamama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-12-05 10:26 PM
Response to Reply #4
78. Looks like Rummy, Gonzales & Negroponte have some new recruits for torture
This is just so sick...forced gang rape & sodomy of a disabled girl, beating and battering her and videotaping it while people watched....

Sounds like the perfect sick candidates for the Neo-nuts torture rooms... :puke:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
anitar1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-13-05 12:48 AM
Response to Reply #4
92. Wretched little sociopaths.
And I mean all of them--including those who stand and watch. There have been problems at some of our area schools also. Kids beating up on one guy and video taping it, then setting it to music and selling it. Of course the victim was a scrawny kid and the thug was quite a bit larger. Plus many problems with athletes here too. It is so sick. Schools would be better off without football and basketball IMHO.Sports have become so perverted . Sick. Now this girl will really be in a living hell.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-13-05 06:11 AM
Response to Reply #92
107. Why didn't anyone go get a teacher?
Seriously -- I honestly can't believe EVERY kid in that room was had no conscience, or was so afraid of retaliation. <sigh>
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Mad_Dem_X Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-13-05 08:18 AM
Response to Reply #4
114. Dear God!
That is so disgusting. I'm glad the principal is getting fired. How could anyone with a conscience try to keep something like this a secret? What's more important: getting help for the victim, or publicity?

The bastards who hurt her and the one who videotaped it need their asses kicked. :grr:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Book Lover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-12-05 06:17 PM
Response to Original message
5. Newsday link
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-12-05 07:06 PM
Response to Reply #5
51. The Principal Was a WOMAN?
Unfuckingbelievable.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Book Lover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-12-05 07:12 PM
Response to Reply #51
53. Gender doesn't matter
Both men and women have asses to cover.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-13-05 01:34 PM
Response to Reply #53
152. Asses to Cover?!!! Don't people have ANY ETHICS ANYMORE???!!!
My gawd! That girl is disabled! Unfrickenbelievable! Assholes one and all!!!!!!!!!


:grr: :grr: :grr::grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr:

:grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr:

:grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr:

:grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr:

:grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Triana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-12-05 06:17 PM
Response to Original message
6. Well the 'school officials' certainly had THEIR priorities...
..in order didn't they? (NOT!)

"their main concern appeared to be keeping the news media from finding out what had happened"

To HELL with the poor girl, they just wanted to protect THEIR OWN image and THEIR OWN asses.

Typical. What a bunch of *ricks. Literally.

:mad:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-12-05 06:20 PM
Response to Reply #6
10. Gee, Just Like The Vatican Covering Their Asses.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-12-05 06:19 PM
Response to Original message
8. wonder what religion the perps belong to? eom
Msongs
riverside Ca
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Auntie Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-12-05 08:01 PM
Response to Reply #8
63. I bet the boys parents are Republicans.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-12-05 08:32 PM
Response to Reply #63
68. Deleted message
Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.
 
doodadem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-12-05 06:23 PM
Response to Original message
13. Ok, what do you do with kids like this?
Is there any hope of them ever becoming decent adults? Are they just going to become adult rapists, wife abusers, whatever? Should they be tried as adults?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Coastie for Truth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-12-05 06:38 PM
Response to Reply #13
23. Jeff Dahmer
was dismembering kittens and puppies as a teen ager.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
renaissanceguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-12-05 07:14 PM
Response to Reply #13
54. They should be castrated, then shot to death.
They will never get better. This poor girl is scarred for life. Sacrificing their dicks and their lives is the least they can do.

Imagine if this was YOUR daughter.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
FourStarDemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-13-05 09:02 PM
Response to Reply #13
185. No, they lack a conscience, and have an underdeveloped super ego.
All of these perpetrators most probrably have conduct disorder, which is a DSM--IV classification. They will continue this behavior, or succeed at keeping it "under wraps" during their adult lives, but it is likely that they will have no remorse for thie actions. They will also be impaired in relationships, jobs and other adult responsiblilities during their adult lives without treatment, and it is very difficult to treat this, especially at their ages (already in their teens).
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Technowitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-12-05 06:24 PM
Response to Original message
14. No, I don't need to read the entire article
Edited on Tue Apr-12-05 06:24 PM by Technowitch
Your little sampling of the horror and depravity my fellow humans are capable of was more than enough.

I think it's time to start calling for the Alien Overlords to come rule us, because obviously we're not fit to rule ourselves. :sarcasm:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
GOPFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-12-05 06:26 PM
Response to Original message
16. This is just SICK!
" Also, the principal, Regina Crenshaw, was suspended and will be fired for not calling police, school officials said. And three assistant principals were suspended and will be reassigned to other schools. Crenshaw had no comment Tuesday."

Reassigned? They deserve to be fired! They should never be allowed to work with children ever again.

As for those mind-less, knuckle-dragging, drooling dolts who assaulted the girl, I can't think of a punishment so bad it fits the crime. If I were the girl's father I would have to be jailed to prevent major mayhem.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
icymist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-12-05 06:53 PM
Response to Reply #16
39. Fired? They deserve jail time for assisting the criminals by warning
the father not to call the police.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-12-05 06:56 PM
Response to Reply #39
45. Not reporting it
is technically illegal. ALL school employees are mandated child abuse reporters. It's a federal law.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-12-05 06:29 PM
Response to Original message
17. I live in a world of nightmares
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Pachamama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-12-05 11:38 PM
Response to Reply #17
88. Das Welt und was hier in USA passiert ist ein AlpenTraum...
:cry:

Ich fuehle genau wie Sie...:hug:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-12-05 11:51 PM
Response to Reply #88
89. Thank you. It was the only thought I had
after reading the story. Wasn't even sure if it made sense. Just waking nightmares...day after day after day.

:hug:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Pachamama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-13-05 12:20 AM
Response to Reply #89
91. It is a nightmare...or a bad drug induced trip and I just want it to stop!
Like an Alice in Wonderland type of bizarreness, it just doesn't stop!

I was even just going on to General Discussion on the DU and saw a thread that showed a picture of John Bolton and info about how in the 2000 Election recount debacle, he was one of the many lawyers from the Baker Law firm (James Baker) leading the recount and protest efforts in Tallahassee on behalf of Bush-Cheney....I at first thought "No way"...but sure enough, its true...

Everyday, something more and more bizarre...On TV right now they are showing the Negroponte hearings...this guy will be in charge of 15 intelligence agencies here and reporting directly to Bush!

And then he we are in a thread, describing a violent forced rape of a disabled girl in one of our highschools...I just feel sick to my stomach...what is happening? :cry:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-13-05 12:59 AM
Response to Reply #91
93. Yes! Everyday a new outrage...just from the government
and then stories like this one that just rip you a part.


Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
kalibex Donating Member (189 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-13-05 08:11 AM
Response to Reply #89
113. Yup.
...and of course, as we now know in the wake of her passing, the late Ms Dworkin was just an anti-free speech crank.
Way over-stated any porn-violence connection....{/sarcasm}

:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
mongo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-13-05 11:39 AM
Response to Reply #113
137. Sure - it's all porn's fault.
Everyone that has ever looked at porn is going to go out and gang rape someone.

Give me a fucking break! These kids are sociopaths - and we can blame their parents for that.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
kalibex Donating Member (189 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-13-05 12:49 PM
Response to Reply #137
147. Now that's some quality hyberbole!
"Everyone that has ever looked at porn is going to go out and gang rape someone."

Hey, you said that, not me (or Ms. Dworkin). Anyway, she was referring to the harm caused by depictions of degredation of women, not simple erotica.

But hey, thanks for that typical kneejerk defensive (and misleading) hyperbole.

Oh, but it's always 'just coincidence' when there's any sort of connection. Isn't it?

No matter how many times there's some correlation, it'll always just be 'coincidence'. Random, bad luck, pure chance sociopaths.

"These kids are sociopaths - and we can blame their parents for that."

Of course. All those bad parents, raising all those sociopaths. Who then go out and commit all these random, coincidental acts.

The culture (which will have its erotica but which will also have its degrading porn - ie, a batch of lies) has nothing to do with it.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
mongo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-13-05 01:38 PM
Response to Reply #147
153. There is no correlation
If there was, then why is it that when countries such as Denmark legalized porn, violence against women went down?

There have been several reputable studies showing NO correlation between pornography and violence against women. In fact, the only studies that do are BS funded by people like the far right American Family Assoc.

The only link between porn and violence against women is a bunch of anecdotal evidence from people like Ted Bundy, who was looking for a convenient scapegoat for his behavior.

But hey, thanks for that typical knee jerk defensive (and misleading) hyperbole.

I think the knee jerk defensive (and misleading) hyperbole was your original statement:

..and of course, as we now know in the wake of her passing, the late Ms Dworkin was just an anti-free speech crank.
Way over-stated any porn-violence connection....{/sarcasm}


Where you somehow make a connection between this horrible crime and the enjoyment of adult entertainment.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
kalibex Donating Member (189 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-13-05 04:54 PM
Response to Reply #153
162. Au Contraire, mon frere....
"If the question about the connection between pornography and violence is constructed simplistically -- "Does pornography cause rape?" -- the answer is clearly no. Since some men who use pornography don't rape, and some men who rape don't use pornography, pornography is neither a necessary nor sufficient condition for rape. There is no way to make a convincing claim that pornography is, as the lawyers say, an "if not but for" cause -- "if not but for the use of pornography, this man would not have raped."

"But if we ponder the question beyond simplistic cause-and-effect models (which are not particularly useful in explaining any human behavior), we might ask, "Is pornography ever a factor that contributes to rape?" That question recognizes the limits of the human ability to understand complex behavior while at the same time opening up pathways for deeper understanding within those limits.

"Critics of pornography do not argue that pornography is ever the sole direct causal agent in sexual violence. No one argues that if pornography disappeared that rape would disappear. Instead, the discussion should be about the ways in which pornography might be implicated in sexual violence in this culture. We understand that pornography alone doesn't make men do it, but that pornography is part of a world in which men do it, and therefore the production, content, and use of pornography are important to understand in the quest to eliminate sexual violence."

Link: http://www.vawnet.org/SexualViolence/Research/VAWnetDocuments/AR_PornAndSV.php
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
kalibex Donating Member (189 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-13-05 07:43 PM
Response to Reply #153
180. 'No correlation', eh...?
As researcher Diana Russell mentions:


"A high percentage of non-incarcerated rapists and child molesters have said that they have been incited by pornography to commit crimes;

"Pre-selected normal healthy male students say they are more likely to rape a woman after just one exposure to violent pornography;

"A high percentage of male junior high school students, high school students, and adults in a non-laboratory survey report imitating X-rated movies within a few days of exposure;

"Hundreds of women have testified in public about how they have been victimized by pornography;

"Ten percent of a probability sample of 930 women in San Francisco and 25% of female subjects in an experiment on pornography in Canada reported having been upset by requests to enact pornography (Russell, 1980, and Senn and Radtke, 1986);

"Many prostitutes report that they have experienced pornography-related sexual assault (Silbert and Pines, 1984; Everywoman, 1988; and Russell, 1993a);

"The laws of social learning must surely apply to pornography at least as much as to the mass media in general. Indeed, I -- and others -- have argued that sexual arousal and orgasm are likely to serve as unusually potent reinforcers of the message conveyed by pornography;

"A large body of experimental research has shown that the viewing of violent pornography results in higher rates of aggression against women by male subjects."


Link: http://www.dianarussell.com/porntoc.html

Looks like there are also 'several' studies that strongly suggest that porn (degrading imagery, not simple erotica) can help incite violent acts against women.

Go figure.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
mongo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-05 01:05 PM
Response to Reply #180
201. Then why is it that in countries that have legalized all porn
including "violent" porn - sexual assault against women went down?

Not to mention that "violent" porn represents a tiny, tiny fraction of the market. Most S&M movies do not include actual sex, and the major companies - Vivid, Wicked, Hustler, Adam & Eve, do not produce any "violent" porn.

To answer your post:

"A high percentage of non-incarcerated rapists and child molesters have said that they have been incited by pornography to commit crimes;

Like I said before, anecdotal evidence from people looking to make themselves the "victim". I bet they all drank milk too. How many millions of adults enjoy adult entertainment without committing sex crimes?

"Pre-selected normal healthy male students say they are more likely to rape a woman after just one exposure to violent pornography;

How many of these healthy male students went on to rape a woman? None perhaps? If these males were shown a violent movie like The Terminator, would the say they were more likely to "blow someone away"

"A high percentage of male junior high school students, high school students, and adults in a non-laboratory survey report imitating X-rated movies within a few days of exposure;

First of all, why are they showing ADULT entertainment to jr high students? Should we eliminate everything for adults because some kid might get their hands on it? And what does "imitating x-rated movies " mean? Does it mean they had sex? Gee- adults have sex after viewing porn - what a shame.

"Hundreds of women have testified in public about how they have been victimized by pornography;

Hundreds of women testified that they wanted to make a scapegoat of porn in their failed relationships, or the failure to control the behavior of their husbands? Men don't substitute porn for a healthy sexual relationship.

"Ten percent of a probability sample of 930 women in San Francisco and 25% of female subjects in an experiment on pornography in Canada reported having been upset by requests to enact pornography (Russell, 1980, and Senn and Radtke, 1986);

So, 25% of females were asked to be photographed or videotaped by a partner? How shocking.

"Many prostitutes report that they have experienced pornography-related sexual assault (Silbert and Pines, 1984; Everywoman, 1988; and Russell, 1993a);

I don't even know what a "pornography-related sexual assault" is. Do prostitutes experience sexual assault - yes.

"The laws of social learning must surely apply to pornography at least as much as to the mass media in general. Indeed, I -- and others -- have argued that sexual arousal and orgasm are likely to serve as unusually potent reinforcers of the message conveyed by pornography;

Gee, porn makes you horny and masturbate or have sex with your partner - and that makes it compelling. Again, a total shocker here. I guess the message is the issue. Could that message be that sex is enjoyable? Even sex that is outside of what social norms?

"A large body of experimental research has shown that the viewing of violent pornography results in higher rates of aggression against women by male subjects."

More anecdotal evidence from violent sex offenders, perhaps? Has there ever been a controlled study where a man went out and raped a woman after viewing violent pornography?

A link just for you:
http://www.sexed.org/archive/article10.html








Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-13-05 12:15 PM
Response to Reply #113
144. I thought about her while reading this story
and then I thought of all the other stories just like this one I've read over my 41 years...

there was a study done...not all that long ago. A group was asked to watch the "Jason" movies..all that were out at the time. Over the course of the viewing, the audience, made up of mainly young adults and older teens, began to scream less at scary parts...showing fewer and fewer of the normally expected reactions to the violence they saw... and started laughing at the gore and scenes of violence.

with each movie, the audience went from covering their eyes, screams,

and reactions of yuck! gross!....to cheering the violence.

the study was more in depth than my extremely poor and brief summary but the conclusion was this...the audience became desensitized to violence (when bombarded with various depictions of violence)


Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-13-05 01:11 PM
Response to Reply #144
151. If one is desensitized that does not mean one is predisposed to accept.
Edited on Wed Apr-13-05 01:13 PM by redqueen
One can be desensitized to violence in the media, yet still be a responsible person and call the police to report an act of violence.

Studies like this tell us nothing about what those people might do if they witnessed such an act.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-13-05 01:45 PM
Response to Reply #151
155. I think it can carry over to every day life for some
Edited on Wed Apr-13-05 01:46 PM by Solly Mack
Not for everyone, of course. I would never say it was true of everyone.

I happen to think some of the viewers just got bored. Not bored with violence, so that it meant nothing to them...just bored with the senses overkill and sought release acceptable in a closed environment that would not be acceptable in a "real" life situation. The clear line of real and fake still intact...

but I believe some people can't maintain that line...that it is blurred for them.

I found the study interesting..nothing more.

Why this story got to me in the way it did...

A young girl was kidnapped and raped during my senior year of high school. She was also developmentally slow and 12 years of age.

The boys picked her up on the side of the road. She had gotten upset at her parents and was running away. They then took her to a parking lot and held her for 3 days. At times, driving around to the homes of other boys, and having, to put it crudely, a "gang-bang."

On Monday these boys came to school and (openly and loudly) bragged about "getting laid." I turned them into the office and the police.

But I had to threaten the principal to get him to act(oh, that's just boy talk..didn't happen.. was the initial response)...I called the police myself just to be sure they were called.

They found the girl just where the sickos said she would be...locked in a van, in a parking lot...and bleeding from her vagina. She had been repeatedly raped and some sick fuck had gone so far as to stick a spatula up her vagina.

Turns out more than 43 boys were involved...ages ranging from 12-18. Of those 43, only 4 were charged and only 3 made it to trial. 1 was allowed to join the Navy to avoid charges. The other 3 were given probabtion..."because jail would ruin their lives"..and "they were just being boys"...those are exact quotes.

The topic was debated in school, of course...how could it not be?

I had to listen to young girls defend rapists..."the girl was white trash" (they were just quoting what the paper said...and yes, the paper used those exact words)"but so and so and so and so are popular..."(they were too good to be treated this way) "she deserved it" "she wanted it"...these remarks from girls...some day women...females... my "sisters"(?)... majority of the boys that commented thought the whole thing a joke and that boys shouldn't be punished for "having sex drives", was the phrase used, I seem to recall

Maybe I'm just still raw 23 years later...or maybe I see few things have really changed.

thanks for listening, redqueen!





Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-13-05 02:13 PM
Response to Reply #155
157. I'm always willing to listen...
:pals:

Sorry you had to be so close to this kind of thing.

It's a sad indictment of society when even little girls, who should have naturally had empathy for that victim, have been so indoctrinated with the 'feminine = bad, masculine = good' mindset that they'd react that way.

I agree that very little has changed. However each new generation brings fresh promise.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
sendero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-05 06:40 PM
Response to Reply #155
213. That is so sad...
... because "boys" are not rapists, rapists are rapists.

It makes me sick when that excuse is used. What about her life?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
keroro gunsou Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-13-05 11:55 AM
Response to Reply #88
141. O_o...
nein sprechen zie german too good, english for the german-impaired please ^_^;

and as a side note, those boys are lucky that girl wasn't my sister... she'd have beaten the crap out of them and i'd have sold popcorn...
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
7th_Sephiroth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-13-05 07:41 PM
Response to Reply #141
179. thier lucky i wasent her brother
i know how to skin people and leave them alive
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
knitter4democracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-12-05 06:33 PM
Response to Original message
18. Oh, God help that poor girl and her family.
I am so sick. That poor girl going through such a hellish thing. Those evil, sick thugs. How could anyone participate in anything like that, let alone tape it?!

All of those admins need to go--every single one. Each one let down that student--each one had the opportunity to make the right decision.

Why wasn't the auditorium locked? Wherever I taught, it usually was for safety reasons (not enough staff to make sure it was safely used all the time).

If I were her English teacher, I'd be throwing up tonight from crying so hard. That's what happened when I found out about some things that happened to some of my students when they weren't at school. I can't imagine what the teacher's lounge will be like tomorrow.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-12-05 06:34 PM
Response to Original message
19. Deleted message
Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.
 
SlavesandBulldozers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-12-05 06:36 PM
Response to Reply #19
22. tell that to a judge
nt
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Placebo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-12-05 06:38 PM
Response to Reply #19
24. I thought forced oral sex WAS rape.
Edited on Tue Apr-12-05 06:39 PM by Placebo
Rape is the same no matter what orifice is penetrated, as far as I know.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-12-05 06:38 PM
Response to Reply #19
25. WTF??? Of course it's rape
Edited on Tue Apr-12-05 06:39 PM by LostinVA
I don't give a DAMN what the legal definition is. Let two males force you to do this to them and come back and tell me it's not rape. Jesus Christ.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-13-05 01:04 PM
Response to Reply #25
150. Deleted message
Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.
 
LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-13-05 06:51 PM
Response to Reply #150
174. Oh give me a break
Edited on Wed Apr-13-05 06:53 PM by LostinVA
Am I sitting on a JURY here? No. It's rape. Unwanted sexual acts are RAPE,a nd you know it.

Who the hell are you to compare me to Tom DElay??? Who are you to tell me I'm Super Freeper? You know what? I just reread your post and it is REALLY pissing me off.

All i did was say that forced oral sex is rape... that makes me a Freeper??? Maybe you should examine your values.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Coastie for Truth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-12-05 06:39 PM
Response to Reply #19
27. Any sexual penetration
of any bodily orifice is rape.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
bettyellen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-12-05 06:43 PM
Response to Reply #19
30. they're not blow jobs either......
that would be akin to calling rape having sex.
sodomy and sexual assault, if you really need to put a fine point on it.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
MidwestMomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-12-05 07:00 PM
Response to Reply #30
49. Thanks, that bothered me too...
You said what I was thinking.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Pachamama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-12-05 10:46 PM
Response to Reply #30
82. Forced Oral Copulation, Forced Sodomy, Non-consensual...
Call it whatever the legal reference name in charges is, if it wasn't consensual and it was forced and it involved any sexual organ or touching on either the perps or the victim, it is RAPE...

:grr:

This is so sick...the level of violence against women and children is so high and its beyond disgusting...

The "Groupthink" and "bands" of kids or adults that would do such a thing seems to be growing in numbers of occurrences....maybe it just seems that way, but that is my observation in the last year...

But hey, we live in Bush's Amerika, where he approves of sadistic sexual murder, so I guess our kids learn from what is modeled for them....
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-12-05 06:43 PM
Response to Reply #19
31. It is in my damn book.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Baconfoot Donating Member (653 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-12-05 06:44 PM
Response to Reply #19
32. No. In many states it IS considered rape, as it rightfully should be.
It SHOULD be legally considered rape in EVERY state and the marital exception should be eradicated.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Mountainman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-12-05 06:51 PM
Response to Reply #19
38. You are wrong. It was a forced unsolicited sexual assault, rape.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-12-05 06:57 PM
Response to Reply #19
46. Ohio Legal Definitions of Rape (It IS rape)..legally...and otherwise
http://www.clevelandrapecrisis.org/Default.asp?c=1012

Sexual Conduct
"Vaginal intercourse between a male and a female, and anal intercourse, fellatio, and cunnilingus between persons regardless of sex; and the insertion, however slight, of any part of the body or any instrument, apparatus or other object into the vaginal or anal cavity of another. Penetration, however slight, is sufficient to complete vaginal or anal intercourse."

Rape
"No person shall engage in sexual conduct(as defined above) with another... (when) for the purpose of preventing resistance, the offender substantially impairs the other person's judgement or control by administering any drug or intoxicant to the other person, surreptitiously or by force, threat of force, or deception; (or when) the other person is less than thirteen years of age, whether or not the offender knows the age of such person; (or when) the offender purposely compels the other person to submit by force or the threat of force."
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Ilsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-12-05 06:40 PM
Response to Original message
28. Who are the parents of these cruel children?
How could they have raised such monsters? What is their part in this? I hope those kids all go to juvie for years and then regular prison where they might find out for themselves what it is like to have to perform fellatio on someone who beats you up. Why didn't the other kids try to stop it?

That poor girl. I feel so badly for her. My son is also developmentally disabled. Where was her teacher or aide? I hope the school or principal has to pay for her education at another, and better, facility.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
MidwestMomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-12-05 06:41 PM
Response to Original message
29. What a screwed up world we live in
What makes kids think they can do something like this and tape it and there will be no consequences? How do they even come up with such a sick and twisted idea? And how does the thought of tormenting a disabled girl TURN THEM ON???!!!

I know they say that violence begets violence but if that was my daughter....
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
UpInArms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-12-05 06:54 PM
Response to Reply #29
43. darest I say this?
Torture On Tape

excerpt:

Adelaide lawyer Stephen Kenny, who represented Australian David Hicks during the early part of his detention at the military prison in Cuba, told a law conference today 500 hours of videotape of prisoners at the US base existed.

Hicks, 29, from Adelaide, has been in American custody awaiting trial since being captured in Afghanistan in 2001 and accused of having links to terror group al-Qaeda. He is charged with conspiracy to commit war crimes, attempted murder and aiding the enemy.

Mr Kenny said the full story of abuse at Guantanamo Bay would not be told until the tapes were released, but they could be as damaging as the images of Iraqi prisoners being abused by US soldiers at the Abu Ghraib prison.

"I believe that these videos, if they are ever released, will be as explosive as anything from Abu Ghraib," Mr Kenny told the LawAsia Downunder conference.

...more...

So we have pictures of torture at the hands of our military, at the behest of our government, no is punished, no one is accountable, no one loses their job, no one answers for the abuse.

Where in the world would these "children" get the idea it was just a prank, similar to a frat thing?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
MidwestMomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-12-05 06:59 PM
Response to Reply #43
48. Good point...
I hadn't thought of that. :(
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Senior citizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-13-05 08:52 PM
Response to Reply #43
184. Heh heh -- remember the scene in "Bowling for Columbine"

where Michael Moore is interviewing this guy who works in a missile factory, who is standing in front of one of those big missiles that kill lots of people, and saying something like, "I just don't know where kids these days get the idea that they can solve things with violence."

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Robeson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-12-05 07:43 PM
Response to Reply #29
61. We live in a dysfunctional nation. Its really, really sad....
...If I could afford it, I'd move out of this country tonight.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
oneold1-4u Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-12-05 08:37 PM
Response to Reply #61
71. wanting a new way to live
I was taught not to look at the worst of life and would gladly give up ever having to, but it is so prevalent and of course newsworthy that it is hard to ignore it. Thousands of things like this have went on in the world for eons with every people of every land but today it is "not nice news" that makes news!
It is worse in my thinking that those we accept as above this type of thing are often the truly guilty. If your priest, rabbi, preacher, teacher, mother, father, is the one who molests and rapes and only few are known, what lesson is for youth to learn? We cannot turn our backs and ignore these things simply because they are ugly. These things must stop even at the business end of a weapon! The law, court, and prisons are not acceptable any more! I could accept my own punishment if theirs was acceptable!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
bettyellen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-12-05 06:47 PM
Response to Original message
34. "an assistant principal cautioned the girl's father against calling 911...
...... to avoid media attention, the statements said. The girl's father called police. "

why does this assistant princpal still have a job? WTF?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
koopie57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-12-05 07:41 PM
Response to Reply #34
60. This makes me wonder
if the boys were the sons of some big shots in the town, or on the school board.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
MissMarple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-12-05 06:50 PM
Response to Original message
37. Well, it happened in Ohio. Go figure.
Edited on Tue Apr-12-05 06:57 PM by MissMarple
The principal will be fired, and the assistant principals will be reassigned. Great. Why not investigate them for child abuse, covering up a crime? The adults should be held responsible for what they did, for what they ignored. The girl should have been sent immediately to the hospital to begin an assault investigation and receive medical treatment and therapy.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
despairing optimist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-12-05 06:53 PM
Response to Original message
40. School admins were at least as bad as the perps
Totally degenerate and perverse. It reminds me of the infamous Kitty Genovese murder in NYC decades ago, when neighbors heard her cries and did nothing to stop her murderer.

Shame on all those who did nothing to save that girl and bring her attackers to justice. I guess moral values don't trump everything after all.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Lindacooks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-12-05 06:55 PM
Response to Original message
44. Keep this in mind, women:
BITE
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
mbperrin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-12-05 07:08 PM
Response to Reply #44
52. Yes, bite until your teeth click........
all I have to say about that.......
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Mad_Dem_X Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-13-05 08:28 AM
Response to Reply #44
115. Yes - to quote The Shawshank Redemption:
"Anything you put in my mouth, you're gonna lose." :mad:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DulceDecorum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-12-05 07:15 PM
Response to Original message
55. Didn't I see this on Law & Order?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
AwakeAtLast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-12-05 07:26 PM
Response to Original message
58. Did they even get her medical attention?
Or did the father have to arrange for that, too? Honestly, this makes me ashamed to be in the field of education.

BTW, I was the victim of a verbal threat of bodily harm a couple weeks ago by a parent (yes, a *parent* of one of my students). My principal did nothing until I called my union rep. He was reprimanded, but he will keep his job. :grr:

As for this girl and what happened to her, all I can do is :cry: :cry: :cry:

This is so sad.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DearAbby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-12-05 07:53 PM
Response to Reply #58
62. This is totally disgusting...Not just the Act these thugs did, But the
Edited on Tue Apr-12-05 07:54 PM by DearAbby
betrayal of the School authorities, in not wanting to report this. What she is just a Special Ed student, no great loss? Disgusting
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
GoldenOldie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-12-05 08:26 PM
Response to Reply #62
65. Told not to tell!
This is not specific to this school. From the School Board, Superintendent it gets down to the lowlyest school district employee that incidents like this are to be kept from the police, and the media. The Tucson Unified School District, the largest School District in the state, has instructed their school bus drivers and required monitors that fights, serious threats should not be called into police. One bus monitor after a required training session for all school employees asked if this was a standard procedure and the police instructor told them absolutely not....that if any school child caused enough of a danger to other students, driver, monitor or other traffic, they should immediately attempt to park the bus and call 9ll.

Although all schools have apolice officer within their campus's, the teachers and staff are stifled from making complaints or contacting the media because the Administration doesn't want to deal with it and it also reflects on their failure as Educational Administrators. Although the school district have their own on the payroll, they have also contracted the majority of good attorney in town so that anyone that is considering to file charges against the School district or one of the administrators can not use any of them due to conflict of interes. My daughter a highschool teacher with extremely good student relations has had her students use the school video's and with the help of their speaking skills they have taped incidents and presented them to the media. They have not only learned how to present problems in an articulate manner but they have learned that they cannot stand by and do nothing when they see others or things being abused. Their involvement has made their parents more aware of the problems.

Citizens really do need to get personally involved with their school districts and work with other parents to ensure that their children are being protected. Their are plenty of teachers that will work with you and your children if they know that you are covering their back.

Don't just go after the principals, go right on up the ladder to the school board and the superintendent......this is where the unwritten orders come from.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Spangle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-12-05 11:23 PM
Response to Reply #65
87. Thank YOU
For explaining that so well. People just don't understand what the children and the TEACHERS have to deal with. Parents are hushed at every level. They are degraded, etc. Everyone else as well if they try to speak out. And people wonder why Parents are upset with the school system? Why children are more rude? Wouldn't you if you had to deal with this everyday with no help? It's a dog eat dog world in schools these days.

Personaly, I could never understand why video isn't used more offten to show parents EXACTLY what their childern are doing. Showing parents the video BEFORE a need for a cop to be called, would be better for EVERYONE. It would smack down alot of problems in the classroom.



Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
LisaL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-12-05 08:46 PM
Response to Reply #58
72. No, the father had to take her to the hospital.
What a horrible thing-and these teachers-arr! Covering up the crime instead of calling the police? How low can you go? Disgusting!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
LisaL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-12-05 08:51 PM
Response to Reply #58
73. No, the father had to take her to the hospital.
What a horrible thing-and these teachers-arr! Covering up the crime instead of calling the police? How low can you go? Disgusting!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Kber Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-13-05 08:39 AM
Response to Reply #58
117. Don't be ashamed to be in the field of education
It was the girl's teacher who, acting on her own in in opposition to her boss (i.e. the principal) who alerted the girl's father, despite being told that she shouldn't.

Someone had her priorities straight.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
raccoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-13-05 12:54 PM
Response to Reply #58
149. Sorry that happened to you,
and your principal should have done something to support you.

But thank goodness you have a union rep; in one of these so-called right-to-work states, there would be no union, no union rep, and probably someone in your position would have been just s.o.l.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-12-05 08:05 PM
Response to Original message
64. Say WHAT???????
School officials found the girl bleeding from the mouth. An assistant principal cautioned the girl's father against calling 911 to avoid media attention, the statements said. The girl's father called police.

SHE WAS BLEEDING FROM THE MOUTH! She needed MEDICAL ATTENTION!!!

:grr:
rocknation
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
catnhatnh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-12-05 08:30 PM
Response to Original message
67. As dozens of students watched....
...ie: at LEAST 24 other voyeuristic, spineless little perverts did nothing to prevent this or give aid to a classmate. Meanwhile no one in authority noticed nearly 30 students missing from classes for a period long enough for physical intimidation and at least 2 rapes????A lot more than the administration at this school deserve firing and the administration at least MUST face criminal charges!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
obxhead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-12-05 10:15 PM
Response to Original message
76. Maybe
the girl that went through that shit doesn't want to be a National headline. Thats "terror" in my opinion.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-13-05 09:40 AM
Response to Reply #76
124. Yes, threaten the victim with exposure, intimidation.
Edited on Wed Apr-13-05 09:40 AM by redqueen
That's worked for millennia to keep sex crimes quiet.

She's a DISABLED MINOR.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-12-05 10:16 PM
Response to Original message
77. It's what Americans want.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
seriousstan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-12-05 10:48 PM
Response to Original message
83. MORE INFO...
sorry about the link not workong in the original post. This is my local paper and I subscribe.

On April 5, the Columbus Board of Education voted unanimously to place Mifflin Principal Regina Crenshaw on unpaid leave from her $95,300-a-year post while they began the process of terminating her contract.

Harris said Crenshaw was present when the alleged assault was reported yet failed to call the police.

Watson and two other assistant principals Vincent Clarno and Suzie Retterer-Helfrich were suspended without pay for 10 days and will be assigned to other schools when they return.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
theHandpuppet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-13-05 05:19 AM
Response to Reply #83
101. Here's a link to the NYT article (Weds) ....
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
booksenkatz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-13-05 06:55 AM
Response to Reply #101
108. One of the officials who viewed the video sez there was no coercion??
:wtf:

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-13-05 07:56 AM
Response to Reply #108
112. Deleted message
Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.
 
Misunderestimator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-13-05 09:34 AM
Response to Reply #101
122. WTF!
"Do not call the police; let our officer handle it tomorrow, and you will be happy with the results," Mr. Watson said Mrs. Crenshaw told the father, the investigation report says.

Mrs. Crenshaw then saw the father out of the school and left for the day, several administrators said in their statements. That evening, the father returned with the police, who inspected the auditorium. After Mrs. Crenshaw learned that the police had begun an investigation, she notified her superiors about the incident, according to the investigation report.

Mrs. Crenshaw, who had worked for the district since 1980 and had been the principal at Mifflin for a year, did not return calls to her home. Mr. Watson declined to comment.

In his statement to investigators, Mr. Watson said he had told the father not to call 911 out of concerns that the police dispatcher's radio calls would be picked up by television news reporters, which might cause the girl "further mental trauma." But he said he did not try to dissuade the father from calling the police on a nonemergency line.


My God! This is so over the top horrific. What the hell is wrong with this person?! "You will be happy with the results?" Even if there was a QUESTION in her MIND (and, really, how could there NOT be) she should have reported this incident and assumed the child was telling the truth. This is really unbelievable. Mrs. Crenshaw is a heartless ass. She deserves all the unwanted publicity she's going to get.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Voltaire99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-13-05 02:54 AM
Response to Original message
94. Yesterday, DU was full of disparagement for Andrea Dworkin.
Today, the God-fearing people of Columbus have made her case for her: put shit in, get shit out.

What shall we do as a society to respond to the rise of Shit People?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-13-05 05:59 AM
Response to Reply #94
105. Deleted message
Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.
 
Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-13-05 07:51 AM
Response to Reply #94
111. Deleted message
Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.
 
nonconformist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-13-05 03:44 AM
Response to Original message
96. Disgusting!
Here is the school's website:

http://www.columbus.k12.oh.us/mifflin_high/
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Danmel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-13-05 05:39 AM
Response to Original message
103. This stuff happens with startling frequency (and in blue states too)


In Glen Ridge , New Jersey, student athletes sodomized a developmentally delayed girl.

http://www.lubbockonline.com/news/071797/ourguys.htm



And the cover-ups by teachers and coaches happens too...




Feature
Out of Bounds
When members of a high-school football team on Long Island were accused of sexual attacks, the community was appalled . . . some by the crimes, others by the cancellation of the season. Now the boys may face adult charges, the victims are being ostracized, and the locals are divided.

By Robert Kolker

On the Offensive: Football practice at W.C. Mepham High School on September 10, a week before the season was called off. (Photo credit: Joel Cairo of Newsday)

The star lineman towers over most of the other pallbearers. That blond buzz cut, the baby face, the meager beginnings of a goateehes only 16, too young to be burying his father. His broad shoulders are slumped and trembling as he walks the coffin down the aisle of Saint Barnabas Church in Bellmore, Long Island.

http://www.newyorkmetro.com/nymetro/news/features/n_9391/

It is horrible- I feel for that girl- it has just begun for her- I'm sure her family will face recrimination for tainting their beloved children's reputations.


Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-13-05 09:36 AM
Response to Original message
123. That whirring sound you hear
Is Kitty Genovese rolling over in her grave.

:eyes:

BTW the dispatch.com site is fecked epp - It's giving me grief about not accepting cookies even though my browser is configured to accept them.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-13-05 09:43 AM
Response to Original message
126. The assistants should be fired, too.
I hope they SUCCESSFULLY prosecute each and every one of those vicious, heartless monsters.

:cry:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
silvermachine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-13-05 09:49 AM
Response to Original message
127. Saddest thing I've read in a long long time...
...This truly makes me ill. I hope the rapists are prosecuted. Maybe they'll be forced into service themselves. They deserve it.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Glenda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-13-05 09:54 AM
Response to Original message
129. here is another link
http://www.wbns10tv.com/Global/story.asp?S=3059979

Her father says his world was turned upside down after he got a phone call from a teacher, who is also a personal friend.

The friend, a teacher at Mifflin, told him his 16-year-old special needs daughter had allegedly been sexually assaulted in the auditorium by four boys.

...

He says his daughter doesn't know the boys and could see their faces clearly. But he says school officials told him the whole thing was caught on tape and one of the boys even bragged about it.

"It was shown in the math class," says her father.

The father says school officials not only knew who the boys were but allowed them to go home.

"They called their parents and said, 'don't let them come to school today,'" he says.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Glenda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-13-05 10:00 AM
Response to Reply #129
130. and here
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-0504130174apr13,1,3166370.story?coll=chi-newsnationworld-hed&ctrack=1&cset=true

One witness' statement said a boy pulled the girl onto the auditorium stage, ordered her to be quiet, pushed her to her knees and forced her to perform oral sex on him.

"If you scream, I'll have all my boys punch you," the boy told her and then punched her in the face, causing her mouth to bleed, a student reported.

...


When the father arrived, he asked whether the school administration was going to call the police, Upshaw said in her statement.

"Mr. Watson said, `No, we don't want to do that. We don't want the police,"' Upshaw told the investigators.

The father stepped into the hallway and called the police on his cell phone.


...
When he viewed the videotape with other administrators, they concluded that the sex was consensual, Watson and other administrators told investigators.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Hell Hath No Fury Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-13-05 01:41 PM
Response to Reply #130
154. She was punched in the face...
and threatened with further beating and the sex was "consensual"????????

AIIIIIEEEEEEEERRRRRRGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-13-05 10:10 AM
Response to Reply #129
131. SCHOOL OFFICIALS WARNED THE MONSTERS' PARENTS?!

ALL THESE PEOPLE SHOULD BE FIRED!

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
gardenista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-13-05 09:54 PM
Response to Reply #131
191. Not only fired. Whomever made those calls is an accessory in covering
up a violent sexual assault.

And they should be prosecuted for their grave misconduct.

When I taught, I had to sign an affidavit saying that I would immediately contact the police or CPS if I witnessed *any* evidence of sexual or other abuse.

Those people are not real educators. They are mindless scum, and should be punished.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-05 08:57 AM
Response to Reply #191
199. Yes, fired then prosecuted as accessory after the fact.
Most definitely -- good point.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
LisaL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-05 09:11 AM
Response to Reply #129
200. And why haven't the boys been arested? WTF does the police
need to arrest them? THe crime was committed in front of witnesses and videotaped. What exactly is the police waiting for?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
LincolnMcGrath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-13-05 10:10 AM
Response to Original message
132. Snip from NY Times
"One of the three assistant principals, Richard Watson, said he had found the videotape and then viewed it with other administrators. Their conclusion, they told investigators, was that there had been no coercion"
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-13-05 12:54 PM
Response to Reply #132
148. Morons!
:mad:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
GoddessOfGuinness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-13-05 06:12 PM
Response to Reply #132
165. Are these boys related to the Bushit family?
Why do I have this sick feeling that these are the children of someone important?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
MountainLaurel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-13-05 08:17 PM
Response to Reply #165
181. Ding, ding, we have a winner
Obviously, these kids knew they'd be able to get away with it.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-05 05:05 PM
Response to Reply #132
205. Coercion or not there was a crime and they attempted to cover it up
They had a duty to report activities of this type to the authorities
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-13-05 11:52 AM
Response to Original message
139. Is this the thread where we cathartically purge
our high school oppression experiences? :eyes:

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-13-05 12:14 PM
Response to Reply #139
143. What in blue blazes are you talking about?
:wtf:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-05 01:49 AM
Response to Reply #139
195. No, we are discussing the rape of an innocent young girl...
...and I cant imagine what the rest of her highschool experience will be like.

As my friend the Redqueen said- "What in the Blue Blazes areyou talking about?"
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-05 03:49 PM
Response to Reply #195
203. Look upthread
It's all "The football players in MY high school" and "the administration in MY high school...." It's a friggin' oppressed nerds coping group up there. It's precisely my point that the story gets lost.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-05 06:33 PM
Response to Reply #203
211. You might have a point- but so do they- I doubt this was the D&D club.
Anyway, I hear ya.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-05 11:38 PM
Response to Reply #211
221. Much love
and much respect due
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
SlavesandBulldozers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-05 06:39 PM
Response to Reply #139
212. uhh
no, its not.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-05 11:37 PM
Response to Reply #212
220. uhhh
to some extent, yes, it is...
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Niccolo_Macchiavelli Donating Member (641 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-13-05 12:03 PM
Response to Original message
142. such stories push my adrenaline to unhealthy levels
i'd frenzied out. If i'd had a possibility getting a gun there would have been a massacre. No way my conscience would have let me live on without having seriously tried to intervene. Let alone beeing complicit in such.

I feel like destroying stuff or yelling at someone when i read this

10...9...8...7...6...5...4...3...2...1...
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
HughBeaumont Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-13-05 02:05 PM
Response to Original message
156. Makes me want to go on a machete rampage on these fuckers
To live in the same place with wastes of sperm and eggs who have no conscience, no idea of right or wrong . . . SONS of bitches. If that was my kid, I'd want blood. But the fact that these adults tried to cover everything up . . . it's no better than what happened on Sleepers.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-13-05 06:04 PM
Response to Original message
164. I'm sure it wouldn't interest anybody
Edited on Wed Apr-13-05 06:05 PM by Canuckistanian
Outside of a small circle of friends.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
FizzFuzz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-13-05 06:22 PM
Response to Original message
167. google on "athletes rape " or "fraternity rape"
statistics are highest among allmale groups. Athletes are highly likely to get away with rape, and of course famous athletes most of all.

Read the book, "Our Boys" about the gang rape of a retarded girl by a group of high school jocks and the preferential treatment they received. The case occured in the 80's, but misogyny isn't diminishing these days.

Mr Fuzz was a star football player in highschool but quit football even though many colleges wanted him. He didn't like how it was making him get mean. He's told me stories of how the coaches encouraged this meanness too.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
ray of light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-13-05 06:24 PM
Response to Original message
168. Unfortunately, this is more common they they let it appear to be.
Edited on Wed Apr-13-05 06:50 PM by ray of light
I urge everyone to take this seriously. Bullies have raped girls even in elementary schools. As you all should be aware by now, the media isn't going to report everything, nor can they report acts of violence in the elementary schools due to protecting minors.

Get serious and make the schools enact protections--even in elementary school. Two, take pictures of your child if he/she appears bruised. Three, file assault charges if your child is physically bullied and or file a protective order for the school to keep the bullies 50 feet or more away from your child. Take this stuff seriously! Also, don't hesitate to pull your child out of school and home school them. The school is an unsafe place and not only can your child be physically attacked but verbally attacked. It's not uncommon for students to make death threats against the victim or to use the verbal abuse. Google "mean girls, aggressive girls, or bullies" and read the information on bullying and the different forms it takes. This is not a simple "problem" to deal with, these are issues which will stay with your child for the rest of his/her life. And, if the school tells you your child is a bully, then DON'T protect them; instead use that moment as a teaching moment, teach them compassion as well as give them consequences. Many parents deny their child is a bully, but frankly, it's usually true that the child IS a bully--and that goes for girls or boys.

Kids are raped, shoved into lockers, kicked, pushed, punched in schools daily and life is HELL for them.

Everyone likes to think, "not mine" but the facts are, you child is either the bully, the bully enabler, or the victim. Funny thing--most parents prefer to pretend their bully is not a bully, but they'd rather that than have their child be the victim. Could it be that they already recognize the extremely harmful consequences of bullying on the victim--life long consequences.

Demand that your school have regulations and take this seriously. Or home school and keep them safe, period. I have already been flamed about suggesting home school (in another violence in school thread) and already been flamed, "not in my school" and that is not what I am trying to say. So please, if your child is in this position then please heed my advice--if you just disagree with my comments, then I am sorry, but I am trying to help parents and save a child.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-13-05 06:32 PM
Response to Original message
170. If I were this girl's father (or brother, cousin, friend, etc)...
these fucks wouldn't even see me coming.

I don't believe in violence, but I believe even less in rape.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
NNguyenMD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-05 05:18 PM
Response to Reply #170
208. I have to admit, I'm not for mob rule but I know the first thing I'd do if
I found out where those little fuckers lived.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Sterling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-13-05 07:17 PM
Response to Original message
176. schools email is?
[email protected] <[email protected]>
That is what is on the site anyway.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
livinginphotographs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-13-05 08:32 PM
Response to Original message
182. That's just fucking sick.
This is beyond juvie-detention behavior. Anyone who can commit an act like this (and anyone who can sit and watch an act like this without doing anything) needs to be in prison, plain and simple.

And the administration of that school needs to be fired, and preferably arrested for obstruction of justice.

This is the same kind of shit that happened at my high school, and the administration always turned a blind eye to all of it. As long as they are allowed to ignore abuse without consequences, it will continue. Then every few years, we'll have to sit through the pointless post-school shooting hand-wringing, wondering if we blame Marilyn Manson or Grand Theft Auto this time, and never doing anything about the REAL fucking problem.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Senior citizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-13-05 08:39 PM
Response to Original message
183. Here's something everyone who cares can do.
Edited on Wed Apr-13-05 08:47 PM by Senior citizen
This is the link to a post about GenderPac http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=1393017&mesg_id=1393017

GenderPAC works to end gender-based discrimination. They are remarkably effective and have chapters on college campuses and contracts with many major corporations.

Our patriarchal society penalizes females for being female, females who are not considered feminine enough, males who are in any way feminine, and anyone who deviates from gender stereotypes. People seen as not "normal" whether with regard to gender, or in any other way, become fair game for those who are born with a sense of entitlement. Although in cases like this it is the victims who suffer, in the case of many school shootings, it is the bullies, their enablers, and entire communities who pay the consequences.

We, as a species, happen to have a very strong sex drive. In fact, it is so strong that we can count on it. We do not need to sexualize children in order to assure reproduction. I can guarantee you that no matter how children are raised, when they reach puberty they will want to get it on. You don't have to shape them or teach them--hormones will take care of everything. But if you do try to sexualize children, they can grow up very warped, thinking that they're members of one sex-based team and that all members of the other sex-based team are the enemy. Sex should not be a competitive sport. Sex should leave room for discovery, experiment, pleasure, and love.

The boys in this story are the product of our patriarchal society, and it benefits neither them nor any girls they may interact with.

On edit: Does anyone think these boys dreamed this up all by themselves and were never exposed to any violent porn that depicted things like this? If we buy textbooks and workbooks because we think that kids can learn from them, why would we assume that they wouldn't learn from porn magazines and videos? If printed material has no effect on developing minds, we can save a lot of money in school budgets by just letting teachers talk with no textbooks at all.



Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
kalibex Donating Member (189 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-13-05 10:13 PM
Response to Reply #183
192. All I can say is:
"The boys in this story are the product of our patriarchal society, and it benefits neither them nor any girls they may interact with.

"On edit: Does anyone think these boys dreamed this up all by themselves and were never exposed to any violent porn that depicted things like this? If we buy textbooks and workbooks because we think that kids can learn from them, why would we assume that they wouldn't learn from porn magazines and videos? If printed material has no effect on developing minds, we can save a lot of money in school budgets by just letting teachers talk with no textbooks at all."



Thank you for your common sense.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
mongo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-05 10:35 PM
Response to Reply #183
218. Again, we look for a scapegoat
On edit: Does anyone think these boys dreamed this up all by themselves and were never exposed to any violent porn that depicted things like this? If we buy textbooks and workbooks because we think that kids can learn from them, why would we assume that they wouldn't learn from porn magazines and videos? If printed material has no effect on developing minds, we can save a lot of money in school budgets by just letting teachers talk with no textbooks at all.

If porn is the problem, then why is it that the countries that have legalized porn, and porn is MORE available have the LOWEST rates of sexual assault against women?

And are you for banning anything in this country that is not appropriate for a 12yo, or is it just porn in particular?

There is no direct causal link between porn and violent crime. Porn is an $11 BILLION dollar business now. What about the millions of men AND women that enjoy adult entertainment? Are they all just rapists in waiting?

When you try to take a tragedy such as this and use it to make a scapegoat for a form of ENTERTAINMENT you don't like, you are doing a disservice to the poor girl who was victimized.

http://www.sexed.org/archive/article10.html

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
yorkiemommie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-13-05 10:41 PM
Response to Original message
193. in california the principal and other school officials who did not ...
immediately notify the police would have been arrested. one teacher in my district was led away in handcuffs for not reporting an incident. if we even suspect something is wrong, we have to report it to our superior.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-05 02:26 AM
Response to Original message
196. Horrible! ... poor child!
:cry:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
doodadem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-05 04:53 PM
Response to Original message
204. Ok, here's my 5 minutes of fame story
15+ years ago, when I was still skinny and running competitively, I went out for a quick 5 mile run before dinner. Half way thru, this guy jumps out of the bushes with a stocking over his face, and a butcher knife in his hand, and grabbed me. He said, come with me or I'm going to cut you (something he kept repeating). At the time, I was in the best shape of my life, training for a half-marathon and doing regular sprint work on the track. I started yelling and running at the same time, with this guy hanging on to me. Luckily it was close to a manufacturing facility in the burbs, and I headed for their security guard shack. I kicked the hell out of this guy's shins, and ended up only losing the skin off both knees where he kept dragging me along the road. I finally just plain out-sprinted him to the guard shack. He took off, and the guard called 911.
To make a very long story short, they caught this guy, and he turned out to be a serial attacker of women in the area, and 16 1/2 yrs. old. In a perfect storm of coincidences, the investigating detective turned out to be an old friend of mine. When he saw the prosecution was going to try to sweep this under the rug, he alerted me, and introduced me to his friend, and investigative reporter at the local news station. Huge publicity, I was interviewed on TV, big day in court. Along with all that, all of the good folks in 3 local running clubs, the local cycling club, and various others, did a big letter writing campaign to try this guy as an adult. He was initially charged with attempted kidnapping, attempted rape, and attempted murder. They were trying to reduce it down to some misdemeanor. When we got in court, he brought his girlfriend and their baby--further evidence that this guy should be a responsible adult, his crying mom, the whole circus. The judge said that while he deplored all the publicity, and he could not try him as an adult, he was going to give this guy the maximum sentence he could, mostly because of the seriousness of the crime and my statement about its affect on my life. He was incarcerated until he turned 17. At which time he would be released, and his record expunged.
So....I have a couple of points in relaying all this. First of all, there comes a point where a kid is not a kid anymore, and if they're going to commit adult crimes, they should be sentenced as such. Secondly, if a bunch of like minded people work together to get a common goal accomplished in the system, it can work (at least, work in a fashion). At the time, I also ended up organizing some women's self defense classes, which my buddies at the police department instructed.
Over the following years, I've wondered what kind of adult this person became. What kind of crimes he may have committed as an adult, where what he did to me could not be used as evidence because he was a "child" at the time.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-05 05:09 PM
Response to Reply #204
206. What happened to the prosecutor?
Did he get re-elected or forced out?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Radio_Lady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-05 10:44 PM
Response to Reply #204
219. Harrowing and heartfelt story, indeed. Thanks for sharing it, doodadem!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-05 05:15 PM
Response to Original message
207. No charges have been filed by the prosecutors?
They need to be removed from office too.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-05 04:48 PM
Response to Original message
226. Vicious, but it's not uncommon for people to onlook and do nothing.
I will not read the article; having read what I've seen brings back enough of my own memories - but what happened to her sets a new low.

x(
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Mon Nov 28th 2022, 02:27 PM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » Latest Breaking News Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC