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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-05 10:18 AM
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'Delay Knew Everything. He Knew All the Details.'
Luncheon Companion of Jack Abramoff Says the Former Lobbyist Lashed Out Last
Week: 'Delay Knew Everything. He Knew All the Details.'

NEW YORK, April 10 /PRNewswire/ -- At lunch at his downtown Washington
restaurant last week, Jack Abramoff -- the once Washington superlobbyist who
is now the target of a Justice Department criminal probe -- lashed out in
frustration and was noticeably caustic about House Majority Leader Tom DeLay,
reports Investigative Correspondent Michael Isikoff in the April 18 issue of
Newsweek (on newsstands Monday, April 11). "Everybody is lying," Abramoff told
a former colleague. "Those S.O.B.s," Abramoff said about DeLay and his
staffers, according to his luncheon companion. "DeLay knew everything. He knew
all the details." There are e-mails and records that will implicate others,
Abramoff said.
(Photo: http://www.newscom.com/cgi-bin/prnh/20050410/NYSU003 )
For years, Abramoff raised hundreds of thousands for DeLay's political
causes and hired DeLay's aides, or kicked them business, when they left his
employ. But now DeLay, too, has problems-in part because of overseas trips
allegedly paid for by Abramoff's clients. In response, DeLay and his aides
have said repeatedly they were unaware of Abramoff's behind-the-scenes
financing role.
more
http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?ACCT=109&S...
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ray of light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-05 10:23 AM
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1. Hope he saved the records because like a mystery novel...
the corrupt politician always finds a way to "hammer" the nails in.
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-05 10:38 AM
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18. The Justice Department already has copies of those records....
...and his lawyer has the originals under lock and key.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-05 10:46 AM
Response to Reply #18
20. Lock and key nothing.
They need to do a mass mailing.

Abramoff look suicidal to you?
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hector459 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-05 03:00 PM
Response to Reply #1
63. But, but, but Brit Hume said there was nothing to this story...
LOL ROFLOLROFLOLROFLOL!!!!!!! :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-05 07:33 PM
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80. The master of pure bullshit
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NVMojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-05 06:58 PM
Response to Reply #1
78. and don't underestimate the power of a staffer of a corrupt politician ...
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-05 10:23 AM
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2. Here is the Newsweek article (it was mentioned on This Week on ABC)
With Friends Like These...
A lunchtime chat with a lobbyist close to Tom DeLay suggests he may be headed for hotter water.

By Michael Isikoff
NewsweekApril 18 issue - Jack Abramoff was somber, bitter and feeling betrayed. Once a Washington superlobbyist, Abramoff is now the target of a Justice Department criminal probe of allegations that he defrauded American Indian tribes of tens of millions of dollars in fees. As stories of his alleged excess dribble outincluding the emergence of e-mails showing he derisively referred to his Native American clients as "monkeys" and "idiots"some of Abramoff's old friends have abandoned him and treated him like a pariah. They claim they knew nothing of his questionable lobbying tactics. So last week, glumly sitting at his corner table at Signatures, the tony downtown restaurant he owns that remains his last redoubt, Abramoff lashed out in frustration.

"Everybody is lying," Abramoff told a former colleague. There are e-mails and records that will implicate others, he said. He was noticeably caustic about House Majority Leader Tom DeLay. For years, nobody on Washington's K Street corridor was closer to DeLay than Abramoff. They were an unlikely duo. DeLay, a conservative Christian, and Abramoff, an Orthodox Jew, traveled the world together and golfed the finest courses. Abramoff raised hundreds of thousands for DeLay's political causes and hired DeLay's aides, or kicked them business, when they left his employ. But now DeLay, too, has problemsin part because of overseas trips allegedly paid for by Abramoff's clients. In response, DeLay and his aides have said repeatedly they were unaware of Abramoff's behind-the-scenes financing role. "Those S.O.B.s," Abramoff said last week about DeLay and his staffers, according to his luncheon companion. "DeLay knew everything. He knew all the details."

It is a Washington melodrama that has played out many times before. When political figures get into trouble and their worlds collapse, they look to save themselves by fingering others higher in the food chain. Will Abramoff attempt to bargain with federal prosecutors by offering up DeLayand does he really have the goods to do so? Abramoff has at times hinted he wanted to bargainpossibly by naming members who sought campaign cash for legislative favors, says a source familiar with the probe. But Abramoff's lawyer, Abbe Lowell, says, "There have been no negotiations with the Justice Department." Lowell cryptically acknowledges that Abramoff has been "disappointed" and "hurt" by the public statements of some former friends, but insists his client is currently "not upset or angry with Tom DeLay." Still, if Abramoff's lunch-table claims are true, he could hand DeLay his worst troubles yet.

DeLay has plenty to explain already. Last week, still more questions about the congressman's ethics emerged when The New York Times reported that his wife and daughter have collected $500,000 in fees from DeLay's political-action and campaign committees since 2001. DeLay and his aides mounted a fierce counterattack, pointing to numerous examples of family members of Democrats who did the same thing. Potentially more troublesome was a Washington Post story that chronicled a six-day "fact-finding" trip to Moscow in August 1997 that was circuitously financed by Naftasib, a Russian oil company. Among those on the tripbesides DeLay, his wife and four of his staff memberswas Abramoff, who joined the party in Moscow and dined and golfed with DeLay.

CONTINUED http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7446492/site/newsweek/
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kedrys Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-05 10:28 AM
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10. BWA HA HA HA!!!
:woohoo: :popcorn:
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-05 10:54 AM
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27. I'd surely love to think his clients he called "monkeys" and "idiots"
are going to be looking into the quality of the work he did for them in a serious way. My god. What a deficit of honor. Takes fees from you and simultaneously laughs at you behind your back.



Just another Republican.
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reprobate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-05 12:05 PM
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43. Judy, i love that "deficit of honor". I'm going to steal it to use on the

bush administration. Describes them perfectly.
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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-05 01:01 PM
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51. Isikoff?
No wonder this reads like a tabloid story.

I guess he's still doing the BFEE's dirty work for them.
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ewagner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-05 10:24 AM
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3. Ya know what's neat about this?
The damage to Delay is coming from Abramoff, not the Democratic Party. This sort of makes Delay's charges that it's a dirty "liberal smear campaign" ring hollow.....

Twist in the wind Delay....you deserve to suffer before you go to prison.
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-05 10:29 AM
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12. True. It blows their planned spin to shreds. The plan to smear Dems to
save Delay and claim this is all a partisan attack doesn't work anymore. :evilgrin:
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-05 10:48 AM
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23. Rove will give the order to indict
And spin that the Republicans clean their own house.

Think Tom will quietly take the fall?
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-05 11:47 AM
Response to Reply #23
36. Not a chance...
the bug man doesn't have that kind of in integrity.
This could get good!
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-11-05 08:31 AM
Response to Reply #36
91. DeLay knows what can happen to people who become inconvenient
to the GOP. They have more power than he does and they are just as ruthless in using it to get what they want.

I do wonder if he is insane. If so, that's still more reason to start disavowing all the corruption that, they will say, was all his idea and all his fault. One more way for him to be useful - as flypaper for scandal.
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Toots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-11-05 09:32 AM
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94. He will be rewarded with a very lucrative Lobbyist position so yes he will
go fairly quietly. No one ever suffers consequences in the Republican hierarchy.
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-05 08:48 PM
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84. With Friends Like These..(bagman Jack Abramoff says Delay lies - knew all)
I also love how Republican "loyalty," is so akin to Bush/GOP "compassionate conservatism"

And According to Josh Marshall... " Shays (R-Conn.) says DeLay's a handful, calls the Majority Leader an "embarrassment" who won't survive through this term as head of the caucus. "He is an absolute embarrassment to me and to the Republican Party," Rep. Christopher Shays (R) of Connecticut told a constituents at a townhall meeting in Greenwich on Saturday. "Do I think Tom DeLay will be the majority leader by the end of this term? No," Shays went on to say. "I don't think Tom DeLay is going to survive." ......"Meanwhile, arch-bag-man Jack Abramoff, is telling friends, "Everybody is lying," according to a new piece out from Newsweek's Isikoff. "Those S.O.B.s. DeLay knew everything. He knew all the details." http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/005391.php


With Friends Like These...
A lunchtime chat with a lobbyist close to Tom DeLay suggests he may be headed for hotter water.

by Michael Isikoff
Newsweek
April 18 issue

Jack Abramoff was somber, bitter and feeling betrayed. Once a Washington superlobbyist, Abramoff is now the target of a Justice Department criminal probe of allegations that he defrauded American Indian tribes of tens of millions of dollars in fees. As stories of his alleged excess dribble out -- including the emergence of e-mails showing he derisively referred to his Native American clients as "monkeys" and "idiots" -- some of Abramoff's old friends have abandoned him and treated him like a pariah.

They claim they knew nothing of his questionable lobbying tactics.

So last week, glumly sitting at his corner table at Signatures, the tony downtown restaurant he owns that remains his last redoubt, Abramoff lashed out in frustration.

"Everybody is lying," Abramoff told a former colleague.

There are e-mails and records that will implicate others, he said.

He was noticeably caustic about House Majority Leader Tom DeLay. For years, nobody on Washington's K Street corridor was closer to DeLay than Abramoff. They were an unlikely duo. DeLay, a conservative Christian, and Abramoff, an Orthodox Jew, traveled the world together and golfed the finest courses. Abramoff raised hundreds of thousands for DeLay's political causes and hired DeLay's aides, or kicked them business, when they left his employ. But now DeLay, too, has problems -- in part because of overseas trips allegedly paid for by Abramoff's clients. In response, DeLay and his aides have said repeatedly they were unaware of Abramoff's behind-the-scenes financing role. "Those S.O.B.s," Abramoff said last week about DeLay and his staffers, according to his luncheon companion. "DeLay knew everything. He knew all the details."
<snip>

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7446492/site/newsweek /





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wakeme2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-05 10:24 AM
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4. emails from DeLay
does not sound like tommy boy will have his lunch this week with all his friends.

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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-05 10:24 AM
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5. mmmwhahahahahaha!
my isn't the view LOVELY from here.
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-05 10:24 AM
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6. John McCain takes TD at his word...
just heard him say so on FTN. :puke:
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-05 10:28 AM
Response to Reply #6
11. What a dumbass
McCain really is a whore. I feel saddened that I ever held respect for the guy.
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PleadTheFirst Donating Member (451 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-05 10:32 AM
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14. I second that, Roland. n/t
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bluedeminredstate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-05 11:43 AM
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Same here.
I thought he had integrity because he was willing to throw bombs at his own party. Since Bush's coronation, he's done nothing but whored for his party above the interests of his country.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-05 12:04 PM
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41. He's always made me ill!
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-05 03:17 PM
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65. He wants to run in 2008
That's why - has to be a team player now to run later.
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-05 08:05 PM
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82. He was whoring for the Propagandist *before* the election
that was sickening.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-05 11:06 AM
Response to Reply #11
30. I never understood why any Democrat liked McCain.
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-05 08:05 PM
Response to Reply #30
81. Well...I used to be a Republican. The Propagandist made me a liberal
;)
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-05 12:50 PM
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50. McCain always had a character flaw
Yes, he was a war hero (though the only reason that he was is because his Paw was an admiral--anyone else who wrecked two aircraft probably would not have had the opportunity to be shot down in a third), but he was lousy to his first wife, was really a jerk when he worked at OLA (mean, rude and crude to staff), and oddly, did not make flag officer despite his POW bona fides AND noted flag officers in the family going back two generations. Most "unusual." Telling, actually.
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smoogatz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-05 03:01 PM
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64. McCain voted to impeach Clinton
That makes him a scumbag for life in my book.
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-05 04:17 PM
Response to Reply #11
68. Feel the same way. When I saw that picture of Bush with his arms around
McCain, it made my skin crawl..
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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-05 09:33 PM
Response to Reply #11
88. McCain IS a fuckwad psychophant asswipe. I am proud to declare I NEVER
Edited on Sun Apr-10-05 09:34 PM by TankLV
had ANY respect for ANY repuke EVER - including that idiot!

I will only be shocked if any repuke does anything HONERABLE or DECENT.
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Robeson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-05 04:25 PM
Response to Reply #6
69. Oh! You mean this John McCain.....
...He's a loyal Repug, and always will be....

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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-05 10:25 AM
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7. BWAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHA AHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Can't wait 'til those emails are leaked and Delay cries "FORGERIES!!!" :popcorn:
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wicket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-05 10:26 AM
Response to Reply #7
9. Time to pop some popcorn...
....and sit back and enjoy the show!!! :rofl:
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DavidMS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-05 10:46 AM
Response to Reply #9
21. I don't want Delay out of power...
I hope he sticks around long enough to be an albatross around the necks of the House Repukes. We could pick up quite a few seats that way. However... I think DeLay will probably be doing the dying cockroach by the 2006 election.
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ooglymoogly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-05 12:06 PM
Response to Reply #21
44. i agree...he has turned the gop into a big fat punching bag
full of crapolla.
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Bluzmann57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-11-05 09:30 AM
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93. Not sure about that
If DeLay can make it through this year, then he will only gain strength. He will be the new "comeback Kid". He needs to go and the sooner the better. And Abramoff is nothing more than a rat jumping off of a sinking ship. Screw 'em all. They need to rot in prison.
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priller Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-05 10:26 AM
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8. Abramoff is spilling his guts
Edited on Sun Apr-10-05 10:29 AM by priller
Hell hath no fury like a big-money lobbyist scorned. Abramoff now feels abandoned by DeLay, so get ready for the mud to start flying. This is going to get ugly. I'm so excited!

See also the original Newsweek article by Isikoff that this one's based on:

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/7446492/site/newsweek/
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Catt03 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-05 10:31 AM
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13. And this
http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/week_2005_04_...

Shays says DeLay's a handful, calls the Majority Leader an "embarrassment" who won't survive through this term as head of the caucus.

"He is an absolute embarrassment to me and to the Republican Party," Rep. Christopher Shays (R) of Connecticut told a constituents at a townhall meeting in Greenwich on Saturday.

"Do I think Tom DeLay will be the majority leader by the end of this term? No," Shays went on to say. "I don't think Tom DeLay is going to survive."

Meanwhile, arch-bag-man Jack Abramoff, is telling friends, "Everyody is lying," according to a new piece out from Newsweek's Isikoff.

"Those S.O.B.s. DeLay knew everything. He knew all the details."
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leQ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-05 12:43 PM
Response to Reply #13
48. i'm surprised nobody has registered DelayWatch yet
the material for indictment is piling up fast and furious.
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-05 02:21 PM
Response to Reply #48
60. There IS the all-Delay blog "The Daily DeLay"
here:
http://dailydelay.blogspot.com

It's well-kept up and a good resource.

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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-05 08:51 PM
Response to Reply #48
85. I just hope
they don't let him wear his toupee when he goes to prison. That's what I'm watching for.
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-05 10:33 AM
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15. DeLay's plan according to today's Washington Post
Edited on Sun Apr-10-05 10:50 AM by Pirate Smile
DeLay's Backers Launch Offense
Conservatives Say GOP Is Threatened

"-snip-
Officials working with DeLay said he is trying to lock in support by sowing the message that an attack on him is an attack on the conservative movement, and that taking him out would be the Democrats' first step toward regaining control of the House and Senate. These officials said they believe the attacks are part of a strategy by Democrats, aided by watchdog groups funded by liberals, to use the ethics process to try to regain power."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A40496-20...

It doesn't work so well with Abramoff spilling his guts.

:evilgrin:
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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-05 09:37 PM
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89. I should HOPE & PRAY that that IS the strategy of the Democrats!
But I will not hold my breath!

The Democrats SHOULD spend EVERY WAKING MOMENT to defeating and ruining the lives and careers of ALL "conservatives" to make sure they NEVER AGAIN are in a position of power to screw America they way thay have.
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fob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-11-05 10:11 AM
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98. "...use the ethics process to try to regain power" One big problem
with that as a "strategy" there bugman, if the subject of the "attack" has no ethics violations then it won't work. Luckily for "us" though that YOU, bugman, simply have NO ETHICS!
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-05 10:35 AM
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16. DeLay knew everything except that he's an arrogant out-of-control SOB.
Maybe he'll figure it out with lots of "time" on his hands.

:popcorn:
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intheozone Donating Member (839 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-05 10:37 AM
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17. OH my, sound like Ambramoff might a blue dress (or suit)
that he hasn't had dry cleaned!! How much fun will that be????? :woohoo:
I can't wait for the DNA test to be done!!!! Yea, pay back is a bitch, and while taking out Delay doesn't quite make up for what the repugs did to Clinton, it sure as hell will be a damn good start. Seeing that evil, selfish, lying piece of shit get what's coming to him will be so sweeeeeeet! :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause:
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radfringe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-05 10:42 AM
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19. time for DDT
Dump Delay Today
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truthisfreedom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-05 10:46 AM
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22. my oh my. i'm going for a scooter ride now! with a smile on my face!
nothing like a dose of bad news for delay to brighten my day...
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gordianot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-05 10:48 AM
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24. Oh no not Delay!
What will we do without DeLay to kick around any more. Where will anyone find a Republican that is more stupid than Toxic Tom.
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gademocrat7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-05 11:04 AM
Response to Reply #24
29. What about every repug who has been in Delay's back pocket?
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gordianot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-05 04:39 PM
Response to Reply #29
70. Agreed there are plenty of targets.
You would just have to look a long and hard to find someone more stupid. They seem to be happy to let him do the dirtywork.

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tyedyeto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-05 10:51 AM
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25. Of course he knew...........
you don't get into that kind of position of power without knowing everything that is going on around you.

All that had to happen was to get one person pissed off at him. Now Abramoff is squealing.....Yipeeeee
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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-05 11:03 AM
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28. While I'm certain DeLay knows everything, there are holes your theory

you don't get into that kind of position of power without knowing everything that is going on around you.



Ronald Reagan from The Blue Lemur
Dan Quayle from the National Quaylitis Foundation
Bush the Frat Boy from Coronate.com

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CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-05 10:53 AM
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26. I wonder who issued this press release?
It's interesting that a press release was issued regarding this Newsweek article.

I didn't find a contact name on the release, so it's difficult to determine who released it, or to assign motivations.

If Newsweek disseminated this release--they probably did so to increase sales of the magazine. No big thing.

However, if another party issued this release (Abramoff? A Republican?), that would be highly interesting!

Is Abramoff waging his own public-relations war to reveal the truth, to fight back and to hold DeLay accountable?

We all know that many Republicans--including Frist, Cheney, Bush--have made remarks that counter Delay's rhetoric and distance themselves from DeLay's agenda. Could the Republicans be organizing to bring DeLay down?

I'd be interested to know who issued this release.

Either Newsweek is just trying to sell some magazines, or someone has waged a heavy-duty, highly organized PR campaign against DeLay.

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AnnInLa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-05 11:13 AM
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32. I'd be interested to know if Abramoff/DeLay is going
Edited on Sun Apr-10-05 11:13 AM by AnnInLa
to bring other GOPers down, as a side-effect. We have a senator in LA that is embroiled in the Abramoff-Indian scandal, hoping all this touches him in a BIG way.
Anyone know who might replace DeLay as majority leader? Will we get someone just as evil?
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-05 11:43 AM
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35. Good point! I suspect the Powers That Be want to dump DeLay and then
fix the blame on him for as many of the pesky scandals flying around their heads as they can. "See?", they'll say. "We are very concerned about ethics, all good law-abiding Christians here. DeLay was the problem, we've punished him, and now we're pure and clean! But lookie over here at what the naughtey DEMS are doing! We want to bring our OWN ethics charges against THEM! " And meanwhile, everything possible will be done to suppress information about all the OTHER ongoing ethics abuses...

DeLay is an embarrassment. He will be gotten out of the way. If he shows signs of wanting to sing, he will have to watch his health. But he already knows what happens to embarrassments, and I doubt he wants to involuntarily "suicide" or have a small plane crash.
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Prisoner_Number_Six Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-05 12:20 PM
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45. An old-style Stalinist purge of Washington?
Purify the Capital! Off with their heads!

Who sez we can't learn anything from Moscow!
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-05 12:32 PM
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47. They're ALREADY quoting Stalin for removing unwanted judges
There was a DU thread on this, but I don't have the link handy. Here's the Washington Post article yesterday by Dana Milbank:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A38308-20...

And the Verdict on Justice Kennedy Is: Guilty



(snip)

Conservative leaders meeting in Washington yesterday for a discussion of "Remedies to Judicial Tyranny" decided that Kennedy, a Ronald Reagan appointee, should be impeached, or worse.

(snip)

Not to be outdone, lawyer-author Edwin Vieira told the gathering that Kennedy should be impeached because his philosophy, evidenced in his opinion striking down an anti-sodomy statute, "upholds Marxist, Leninist, satanic principles drawn from foreign law."

Ominously, Vieira continued by saying his "bottom line" for dealing with the Supreme Court comes from Joseph Stalin. "He had a slogan, and it worked very well for him, whenever he ran into difficulty: 'no man, no problem,' " Vieira said.

The full Stalin quote, for those who don't recognize it, is "Death solves all problems: no man, no problem."
Presumably, Vieira had in mind something less extreme than Stalin did and was not actually advocating violence. But then, these are scary times for the judiciary. An anti-judge furor may help confirm President Bush's judicial nominees, but it also has the potential to turn ugly.

(snip)
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Dover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-05 02:10 PM
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56. * "Death solves all problems: no man, no problem."
Edited on Sun Apr-10-05 02:11 PM by Dover
That certainly seems to be part and parcel to the Bush Doctrine.
And this is how they deal with any 'witnesses' as well.....case in point is the shooting of reporters/news people, particularly in Iraq.

One could make a list (in fact some web sites have done this) of the 'accidental deaths' that seem to follow the Bushistas around.
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-05 12:23 PM
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46. I went to the link. They post breaking news for journalists.
"Welcome to PR Newswire.

Here you can access breaking news from tens of thousands of organizations around the globe, add your news to the world's most comprehensive news and information distribution network, and interact with experts about our services."
http://www.prnewswire.com/
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-05 11:12 AM
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31. Korea-US Exchange Council - Delay's trips and the Heritage Foundation
working links here
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...


Registered foreign agent - look who's on the board or was till yesterday, Henry Kissinger and who set it up Kim Seung Youn.



Hanwha Chairman Faces Charges

By Kim Rahn
Staff Reporter
...

Prosecutors refused to release details of the interrogation, but said the questioning focused on Kim's role in the group's provision of funds to ruling and opposition parties in 2002. They said it appears certain that Kim violated laws governing the donation of political funds, adding he will soon be charged without detention.

The 52-year-old chairman returned from the United States on Saturday following an eight-month stay that started Jan. 1. He left for the U.S. as investigators were gearing up for a major investigation into the political fund scandal, which resulted in the indictment of a number of political heavyweights and businessmen.

The Supreme Public Prosecutors' Office said that during Monday's questioning Kim admitted to offering bonds worth 1 billion won to former Grand National Party (GNP) lawmaker Suh Chung-won in October 2002, two months before the presidential election.

...

Hanwha announced in January that Kim had gone to the U.S. for study and hospital treatment. One day after his departure, the prosecution imposed a belated exit ban on him, drawing suspicions that he knew of the prosecution's intentions in advance.

Kim had refused to return to Korea despite a summons from the prosecution, citing unfinished matters in the U.S.

Kim reportedly said he had returned because trials involving him and the GNP's Suh had been concluded and he needed to work for his firm, according to the prosecution.

Suh, who took illegal funds from Kim in 2002, was released on Friday after being sentenced to a suspended jail term of three years and 1.2 billion won in fines. Suh took a combined 1.2 billion won in illegal funds from Kim and the Sun & Moon Group during the presidential campaign.
http://times.hankooki.com/lpage/200408/kt20040817171621 ...


Strong ties to the Heritage Foundation

Another Asia-related non-government group made up of influential government and business leaders that shares strong ties to the Heritage Foundation is Korea-US Exchange Council (Korusec), which has a pedigree similar to Usmea.

The council was set up in June 2001 by Kim Seung Youn, head of the explosives and chemicals chaebol Hanwha Group. Its purpose is to promote understanding of Korea in the US political community, primarily by exchanging visits with US lawmakers and their aides.

Kim is a close supporter of South Korean president Roh Moo Hyun as well as South Korea's ``sunshine policy'', inaugurated by former president Kim Dae Jung. The policy is based on trading hard cash and business investment for improved relations with North Korea.

The initial idea to establish Korusec was reportedly proposed at a function organised by the Heritage Foundation during the presidential inauguration ceremony for GeorgeWBush in January 2001. Kim was attending the ceremony as the guest of Republican Senator Mitch McConnell, whose wife is Elaine Chao.

Korusec's board of directors includes a fair number of US and Korean political heavyweights, including former US secretary of state Henry Kissinger, former US ambassador to Korea Richard Walker and former Korean ambassador to the United Nations Park Soo Gil. Heritage president Feulner also sits on the board. Sheffer is an unpaid adviser to Korusec. ASG has close ties to Korusec and has lobbied on its behalf.

Korusec has effectively parlayed its inside connections to reach the highest levels of Washington politics. As part of its inauguration ceremonies in 2001, Korusec flew over then-House floor leader DeLay, his wife and aides. Since then it has played host to a number of senior US politicians, including former president Bill Clinton, who visited Seoul last November. Kim also accompanied Roh on his visit to the US last May, where they met DeLay and Senate Armed Services chairman John Warner.

In February last year, Korusec co-sponsored a conference with Heritage and the government-funded Korean Institute for Defence Analyses. Addresses were delivered by US South Korea ambassador Thomas Hubbard, UN and Korea/US combined forces commander General Leon LaPorte, and Edwin Feulner. Last October, Kim was photographed at a Heritage Foundation meeting with US Vice-President Dick Cheney.

more
http://216.239.57.104/search?q=cache:JQj7NsuUJj4J:www.t ... (Korusec),&hl=en



May 08, 2002 The Korea-U.S. Exchange Council to Host Luncheon
When Wednesday, May 8, 2002
Where B. Smith's Restaurant
Union Station, Washington, DC
Contact Courtney Alexander,
(202) 204-3056 or calexander@korusec.com
The Korea-U.S. Exchange Council will host a luncheon on May 8th at 12:00 at B. Smith's Restaurant at Union Station. The luncheon will feature three speakers: Balbina Hwang of The Heritage Foundation; Mark Manyin of the Congressional Research Service; former Ambassador to the ROK (under Reagan) Richard "Dixie" Walker.

The conversation will be wide-ranging, from the Korean economy to U.S.-ROK relations to December Presidential elections to the North/South dialogue. Q and A will follow the brief remarks by the speakers.
http://www.kacdc.org/events/archives.html

Encouraging greater bilateral exchanges at the congressional level. Several formal organizations already exist within the U.S. Congress to promote bilateral exchanges, including the KoreaU.S. Exchange Council (KORUSEC), the Korea Caucus, and the U.S.ROK Interparliamentary Exchange. They should be encouraged to expand their activities to include vigorous and more frequent dialogue with their counterparts in the ROK National Assembly, including establishing study groups on specific topics of mutual interest. Furthermore, study groups should be established at the congressional staff levels in both countries to target issues of mutual concern and cooperation.
http://www.heritage.org/Research/AsiaandthePacific/bg18 ...


Kim Seung-youn's Mysterious Departure

Any way you look at it, the sudden departure of Hanwha Group Chairman Kim Seung-youn is a pile of mysteries. Kim is suspected of giving illegal campaign donations during last year's presidential election. To begin with, there's the question of how the prosecution was going about security that he was able to leave for the United States a day before it moved to have him prohibited from leaving the country. If it didn't even know he'd left, discovering the fact as it raided his conglomerate's offices, then that is just pathetic.
There had already been talk circulating of how Kim and his Hanwha Group had given large sums of money to both the ruling and opposition party presidential candidates during the campaign, and there was also giving of "election victory congratulatory money." There was talk also of how this part of the overall investigation might directly affect whether or not we go over the so-called "tenth" threshold. So when Kim calmly makes his way out through Incheon International Airport a day before he would've been prevented from doing so, you naturally wonder how that happened.

How many people would believe they're being told the truth when told the chairman of a chaebol, someone buried in his work, would suddenly leave for a long stint overseas to study the leisurely subject of "U.S.-Korea Relations and the NGO of the Future"? Kim is reputed to be a businessman who is meticulous about the details of everything within his organization.

One also does not believe that Kim would have left simply to temporarily evade investigators. It wouldn't be like a chaebol tycoon, who should know quite well that the government has a whole host of methods to pressure a conglomerate at its disposal. This is why you even hear suggestions Kim made this move because he was advised to do so ahead of time, since getting out of the way would make things less uncomfortable for each party.

If there is to be an avoidance of a situation where such suggestions give birth to suspicions that further endless more suspicions, then authorities must do everything they can to strongly encourage Kim to return and submit to this investigation. Kim, in turn, really should volunteer to return on his own when you consider his importance as someone leading the country's seventh largest conglomerate and the stature of that conglomerate. January 8, 2004

http://english.chosun.com/w21data/html/news/200401/2004 ...

Hanwha Chairman Kim Seung-youn to Appear in Court
FEBRUARY 17, 2005 22:50

As the Supreme Public Prosecutor`s Office (head: Park Sang-gil) conducts an investigation into the alleged acquisition scandal of Korea Life Insurance by Hanwha Group, it summoned Hanwhas Chairman Kim Seung-youn on February 17. At around 1:00 p.m. on the same day, Chairman Kim appeared in the Supreme Public Prosecutors Office building and went into an investigation room after some words to reporters. He said, I apologize for raising a scandal. I will disclose the details in the office.

Prosecutors conducted an in-depth investigation into the following: whether or not Chairman Kim was involved in settling an inside contract with Australias Macquarie Life Ltd when he was forming the Hanwha Consortium for the acquisition of Korea Life Insurance; and whether he had prior notice of the operation or whereabouts of 750 million won, presumed to be used for political lobbying based on circumstantial evidence, out of Hanwhas total slush fund of 8.75 billion won.


Reportedly, as soon as the investigation on whether or not to provoke judicial power is over, the prosecutors office is expected to indict Lee Bu-young, the former chairman of the ruling Uri Party, without physical restraint based on his alleged infringement of the Political Finance Law.


Chairman Kim, who was under investigation by prosecutors regarding the election campaign fund last August, was indicted without physical restraint based on the charge of providing an illegal political fund of one billion won to Representative Suh Chung-won of the Grand National Party last year. In November 2004, he was fined 30 million won by the Seoul High Court.
http://english.donga.com/srv/service.php3?biid=20050218 ...



Korea-United States Exchange Council Supporter of the USO?

http://www.uso.org/related /

Reinforcing friendship, S. Korean firm
to fund renovation at USO headquarters
By B.R. Sargent, Seoul bureau

SEOUL The United Service Organizations headquarters on Camp Kim will get a huge remodeling job, courtesy of a South Korean companys $400,000 donation.

There are moments in life that are never forgotten, both good and bad, said Kim Seung Youn, chairman of Han Wha Corp. Sept. 11 is a day that will live for Americans and friends forever. But out of moments of great crisis comes opportunities. n this case, it gives us the chance to reaffirm a friendship between two peoples who cherish their freedoms.

Today as a Korean, I take my hat off to the 37,000 American men and women in uniform, who are far from home on the front lines for all that you believe in.

During a check presentation, Army Gen. Thomas A. Schwartz, U.S. Forces Korea commander, spoke of the alliance between the United States and South Korea.
http://ww2.pstripes.osd.mil/01/oct01/ed103001e.html



US Foreign Agents Registry for the second half of 2002. These registrants worked as foreign agents on the behalf of foreign governments or political parties during the second half of 2002.
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=FARA_late_20 ...


Korea - United States Exchange Council - 7 trips

John Carter - Republican Party
November 28, 2003 - December 3, 2003 (6 days)
Seoul, Korea
Purpose - Familiarization trip to Korea, DMZ
Total Cost - $18,832.00

Ander Crenshaw - Republican Party
August 26, 2001 - August 28, 2001 (3 days)
South Korea
Purpose - Educational / Meet with government officials
Total Cost - $27,640.00

Tom DeLay - Republican Party
August 25, 2001 - August 28, 2001 (4 days)
South Korea
Purpose - Educational / Meet with government officials
Total Cost - $28,000.00

Eni Faleomavaega - Democratic Party
November 29, 2003 - December 2, 2003 (4 days)
Korean DMZ
Purpose - mark 50th anniversary of the signing of the Armistice agreement on the Korean penninsula. Will meet with senior official re Korea/United States relations. Visit American Troops at DMZ
Total Cost - $22,098.84

Michael Honda - Democratic Party
December 2, 2003
Seoul, Korea
Purpose - Familiarization with Korea
Total Cost -

Jim McDermott - Democratic Party
November 29, 2003 - December 2, 2003 (4 days)
Seoul, Korea
Purpose - Familiarization trip to Korea, DMZ
Total Cost - $9,340.60

Ileana Ros-Lehtinen - Republican Party
August 25, 2001 - August 28, 2001 (4 days)
Tel Aviv-Seoul, Republic of Korea and South Korea to Taipei, Taiwan
Purpose - educational and meetings with governmental officials
Total Cost - $27,960.00

http://americanradioworks.publicradio.org/features/cong ...


by the way forgein agents can't give money to US officals


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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-05 11:58 AM
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39. The self-proclaimed "messiah" Sun Myung Moon ALSO has close
relationships with both the Bush administration (including members of Congress) and with North Korea. In fact, his fingers, his money and his toadies are everywhere in the US government. (Spend some time perusing this web site, run by a very, very brave Moon investigatiive reporter - John Gorenfeld - and you will be abolutely chilled: http://www.iapprovethismessiah.com .)

Wonder what he's doing in this? He's bound to be involved.

And this Korean connection you bring up, in which DeLay is far from the only Rethug - the Bushes themselves as well as many members of Congress are in his pockets - deserves its own thread, it seems to me.
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shanti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-05 11:19 AM
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33. the fat lady is singing!
....like a bird! time to go down, bug man!
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MnFats Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-05 11:34 AM
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34. Abramoff is to John Dean as Delay is to Nixon?
Time to bail, sir. the ship is sinking.
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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-05 01:03 PM
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52. Or He is to Delay what Lewinski was to Clinton
Can't help thinking that, considering Isikoff is the writer of the Newsweek article.
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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-05 02:55 PM
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62. A little bit of both
Monica would have cheerfully kept quiet about her relationship with Clinton; it was exposed to Ken Starr and the rest of us through the connivance of someone who pretended to be her friend. Jack Abram off was came to the attention of investigators as a result of the normal course of their work.

Moreover, the sole purpose of the Whitewater investigation was to find a reason, no matter how frivolous, to bring down Clinton; this case started as an investigation of campaign finance corruption and has simply led to Tom Delay. Unlike the Starr investigation, this is a professional and impartial job.
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ooglymoogly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-05 11:50 AM
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37. ever heard that old adage. 'what goes around'
couldn't have happened to a nicer person
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-05 11:53 AM
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38. I hope he lingers...
twisting in the public limelight damaging the republican party right up to the 2006 elections.
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PurityOfEssence Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-05 11:58 AM
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40. Break out the ratshot
Smells like suicide season again...
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-05 12:05 PM
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42. Yeah, he knows where all the bodies are buried and he's vindictive
I can't see them allowing him a chance to sing, one way or another. They could put him away in a prison with "deaf" guards, something creative - since yet another surprise suicide might raise some suspicions. Besides, he would know about the "suicides," so I expect he has arranged some sort of protection for himself - something like setting up piles of evidence poised to go to multiple media outlets (though they would have to be willing to buck the administration to put it out) in the event he dies suddenly.

Horror upon horror. So appropriate that he crawled around after vermin. He fit right in.

But we can't let the Repubs purge him while claiming they are now all ethical, that he was the only problem.
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Seabiscuit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-05 12:46 PM
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49. Time to prepare the fire pit and skewer for some roasted pig!
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manly Donating Member (278 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-05 01:33 PM
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53. Kafka imagination comes true
Tom Delay went to sleep one night and woke up the next morning having metamorphosed into a gigantic cockroach. Watch out for the exterminator, Tom. It's lovely to see a slime ball get his comeuppance. You're going to get what you deserve, roachman.
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Moderator DU Moderator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-05 01:35 PM
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54. kick
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Pepperbelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-05 01:35 PM
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With Friends Like These... (Tom Delay knew EVERYTHING)
Edited on Sun Apr-10-05 01:19 PM by Pepperbelly
-snip-

t is a Washington melodrama that has played out many times before. When political figures get into trouble and their worlds collapse, they look to save themselves by fingering others higher in the food chain. Will Abramoff attempt to bargain with federal prosecutors by offering up DeLayand does he really have the goods to do so? Abramoff has at times hinted he wanted to bargainpossibly by naming members who sought campaign cash for legislative favors, says a source familiar with the probe. But Abramoff's lawyer, Abbe Lowell, says, "There have been no negotiations with the Justice Department." Lowell cryptically acknowledges that Abramoff has been "disappointed" and "hurt" by the public statements of some former friends, but insists his client is currently "not upset or angry with Tom DeLay." Still, if Abramoff's lunch-table claims are true, he could hand DeLay his worst troubles yet.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7446492/site/newsweek/
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punpirate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-05 01:35 PM
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55. Let's put it this way...
Edited on Sun Apr-10-05 01:28 PM by punpirate
it would be poetic justice for a crooked politician to be brought down by a crooked lobbyist... birds of a feather and all that....

:evilgrin:



Edit for syntax.
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sellitman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-05 02:11 PM
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57. Revenge is a dish best served cold
:evilgrin:
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Dover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-05 02:14 PM
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58. What? No honor among thieves? Of course the Right will begin to devour
their own. It's the nature of evil. It's because their loyalty to one another is self-serving, circumstantial and based in greed, rather than anything truly heartfelt.
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Borgnine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-05 02:15 PM
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59. I hope Delay stills around through 2006.
He's actually the best thing to happen to us in the last five years. Even the uninformed are realizing what kind of person he is, and by association, the Republicans.
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Robbien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-05 04:04 PM
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67. And how do you expect to get rid of him then?
If he stays in position now, there is no way a Diebold election is going to take him out.
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-05 02:44 PM
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61. SANTORUM BACKS AWAY FROM DELAY: Video at Crooks & Liars blog
Edited on Sun Apr-10-05 02:45 PM by Nothing Without Hope
here (Windows Media Player only so far):
http://www.crooksandliars.com/2005/04/10.html
It's currently the 3rd entry. Crooks & Liars cites another site --Think Progress, http://thinkprogress.org/index.php?p=613 ) -- for the headsup and adds the video.

Santorum backs away from Delay

This morning, Sen. Rick Santorum (R-PA) put some serious daylight between himself and Majority Leader Tom DeLay. From ABCs This Week.

STEPHANOPOULOS: Do you think that this is just attacks on him or attacks on the conservative movement, or are there serious issues here that he has to address?

SANTORUM: If those things were not out there, obviously they wouldnt be raising them. And so there are issues that he has to deal with personallyI think he has to come forward and lay out what he did and why he did it and let the people then judge for themselves.
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-05 04:03 PM
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66. If a blog entry has a "permalink," ALWAYS use it as the link
That way, this story will come up even after it's archived.

:headbang:
rocknation
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-05 05:38 PM
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71. It's the closest thing to a permalink I found - a link to the date
I do try to use permalinks for exactly that reason!
:hi:
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DrZeeLit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-05 05:39 PM
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72. Don't get on any small planes, Jack. And for goodness sake: backup
your hard drive.
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callous taoboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-05 05:50 PM
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73. I love the smell of Delay old bread baking....
The s.O.B.'s are calling each other S.O.B.'s. Could it smell any sweeter, y'all?
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jamesinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-05 06:04 PM
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74. This is where it falls apart
This is where they discredit the associate of Jack Abramoff. This is where there is nothing to the allegation because one person who spoke out didn't actually have the original copy. This is where they "Dan Rather" it. This is where this Abramoff's associate will have a drug problem or other questionable history so Tom DeLay could not have possible done anything wrong because of the associates past history. This is where they discredit the messenger so the message must be wrong. We have seen it before and I think we are about to see it again.
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Mr.Soul Donating Member (30 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-05 06:17 PM
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75. My first post
I was shocked by the vile comments on the Lucianne site and decided to join this board. First board I have registered with and am happy to be on this DeLay thread.

They are all stepping away from this man, they know more exists.

His greed cost him his future.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-05 06:43 PM
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77. I'm happy your here too Mr. Soul
Welcome :hi:

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jamesinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-05 07:06 PM
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79. Welcome to the DU
I am honored that you spent your first post on me!
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callous taoboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-11-05 10:09 AM
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97. Welcome Mr. Soul! Great name. Neil young?
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pearl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-05 06:30 PM
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76. I agree
These people are pure Filth. They have a few more
tricks before they throw him over. But they are
positioning for something.
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Laurab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-05 09:21 PM
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87. Don't think this is going to fall apart
The rethugs are HELPING - they want him to go down. This is KKKrove in action. This is why old news is suddenly making it to the "mainstream" media as "new" news, and why we're seeing stories about it. This is why we're seeing repugs speaking out against Delay. His own party wants him gone, and it seems like they want him gone fast.
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kaitykaity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-05 08:42 PM
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83. Dream headline: Earle Indicts DeLay
on Abramoff's testimony.

Abramoff's in the TRMPAC mess up to his neck.
It would be sweet if Ronnie Earle could flip
him.

:evilgrin:
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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-05 08:59 PM
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86. Hopefully he's singing like a canary to the grand juries investigating eom
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-11-05 08:27 AM
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90. Buzzflash: "It Will Be Karl Rove, not the Dems, who brings down Tom DeLay"
new thread on a BuzzFlash editorial that sees the recent GOP coolness to DeLay and the surprisingly open criticism of him in the controlled press as evidence that Rove has decided his usefulness isn't worth his notoriety:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
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DaDeacon Donating Member (494 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-11-05 08:53 AM
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92. Like Rats from a sinking ship!!! (n/t)
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Callboy Donating Member (167 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-11-05 09:37 AM
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95. again, just how much juice does the
guy have?
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Al-CIAda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-11-05 09:49 AM
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96. Nominated
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pissed_American Donating Member (132 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-11-05 10:23 AM
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99. Delay will go down with his boots on.
I do believe he will go down denying any wrong doing - till the end.

He will never admit he is wrong.

MOST, not all, Texans never like to admit when they are wrong.

How do I know?? I am married to one. :eyes:
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-11-05 11:17 AM
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100. Any breaking news yet that Delay is stepping down?
I've got the champagne on ice!
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Moderator DU Moderator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-11-05 08:06 PM
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101. kick to combine
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UpInArms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-11-05 08:07 PM
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102. Newsweek: With Friends Like These... (DeLay/Abramoff)
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7446492/site/newsweek /

April 18 issue - Jack Abramoff was somber, bitter and feeling betrayed. Once a Washington superlobbyist, Abramoff is now the target of a Justice Department criminal probe of allegations that he defrauded American Indian tribes of tens of millions of dollars in fees. As stories of his alleged excess dribble outincluding the emergence of e-mails showing he derisively referred to his Native American clients as "monkeys" and "idiots"some of Abramoff's old friends have abandoned him and treated him like a pariah. They claim they knew nothing of his questionable lobbying tactics. So last week, glumly sitting at his corner table at Signatures, the tony downtown restaurant he owns that remains his last redoubt, Abramoff lashed out in frustration.

"Everybody is lying," Abramoff told a former colleague. There are e-mails and records that will implicate others, he said. He was noticeably caustic about House Majority Leader Tom DeLay. For years, nobody on Washington's K Street corridor was closer to DeLay than Abramoff. They were an unlikely duo. DeLay, a conservative Christian, and Abramoff, an Orthodox Jew, traveled the world together and golfed the finest courses. Abramoff raised hundreds of thousands for DeLay's political causes and hired DeLay's aides, or kicked them business, when they left his employ. But now DeLay, too, has problemsin part because of overseas trips allegedly paid for by Abramoff's clients. In response, DeLay and his aides have said repeatedly they were unaware of Abramoff's behind-the-scenes financing role. "Those S.O.B.s," Abramoff said last week about DeLay and his staffers, according to his luncheon companion. "DeLay knew everything. He knew all the details."

It is a Washington melodrama that has played out many times before. When political figures get into trouble and their worlds collapse, they look to save themselves by fingering others higher in the food chain. Will Abramoff attempt to bargain with federal prosecutors by offering up DeLayand does he really have the goods to do so? Abramoff has at times hinted he wanted to bargainpossibly by naming members who sought campaign cash for legislative favors, says a source familiar with the probe. But Abramoff's lawyer, Abbe Lowell, says, "There have been no negotiations with the Justice Department." Lowell cryptically acknowledges that Abramoff has been "disappointed" and "hurt" by the public statements of some former friends, but insists his client is currently "not upset or angry with Tom DeLay." Still, if Abramoff's lunch-table claims are true, he could hand DeLay his worst troubles yet.

...much much more...
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pfitz59 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-11-05 08:07 PM
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103. Carnac says....
I see a plane crash in his future!
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-11-05 08:12 PM
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104. "Everybody is lying" yeah- but few will say that- in those words.
I applaud this gentleman for not mincing words & speaking the blunt truth.
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melissinha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-12-05 05:00 PM
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105. Surprise, surprise....
Air America has been saying it all along... DeLay would sy, I didn't know and eventually Abramoff would retaliate.


Fry, little piggies....fry
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