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Rose Siding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 08:35 PM
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Woman Sues Over N.C. Anti-Cohabitation Law
WILMINGTON, N.C. -- A former sheriff's dispatcher who quit her job after her boss found out she lived with her boyfriend is challenging North Carolina's law against cohabitation.

Debora Hobbs said she was told to get married, move out, or find another job after her boss found out about her living situation. The legal arm of the American Civil Liberties Union of North Carolina filed the lawsuit Monday on her behalf.

The lawsuit seeks to abolish the nearly 200-year-old -- and rarely enforced -- law that prohibits unmarried, unrelated adults of the opposite sex from living together. North Carolina is one of seven states with such a law.

Convicted offenders face a fine and up to 60 days in jail.

http://www.newsday.com/news/nationworld/wire/sns-ap-coh...
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Withywindle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 08:37 PM
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1. BiZARRE.
Horrific.

(I had a looooooong succession of roommates of both genders all through my 20s - who the heck can afford to live alone right out of school these days? I suppose that's illegal under this law too, right?)
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 06:53 AM
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38. Yup, if they're opposite sex couples
I had someone refuse to rent to a male friend and I after college, because we would be "living in sin." (exactly what they said). We were both gay, so there wouldn't have been anything going on...
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 08:40 PM
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2. Well, it IS discriminatory
You can't assume that two people are living as lovers just because they're living together. What if my brother and I wanted to share a house?

:headbang:
rocknation
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iamjoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 10:24 PM
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15. Don't Think That Counts
"what if my brother and I wanted to share a house."

I am not sure, but I believe co-habitation laws only apply to non-related people of the opposite gender.

When we were dating, my husband had female roommates. I know nothing was going on. We're in Florida, but in North Carolina would that have been illegal?
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Floogeldy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 12:47 AM
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24. That law is unconstitutional
B-)
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jdj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 11:02 PM
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20. out in Fairview (home of the Meywes guy that put a contract on Schaivo)
the lady I rented from in the early nineties said that the baptist church down the road had run all her unmarried couples out of her rentals. She rented to me anyway, though, and we stayed about 2 years without any trouble, evey though we were "dirty hippies". I remember being stunned when she told me that, I didn't even know there was such a law.

An atty friend of mine said they are using this law to prevent gay adoption as well, they won't allow ANY couple to adopt unless they are married, so if you are a single straight female with a roomate you can't adopt unless the roomate hits the road.
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 06:54 AM
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39. That's okay under the NC Law
Certain relatives are okay.
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Trillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 08:45 PM
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3. Clearly the law Promotes same-sex cohabitation.
How do they feel about same-sex marriage? If that's a negative in aggregate, an argument can be made that this law 'is bait.'
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area51 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 09:18 PM
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6. "Clearly the law Promotes same-sex cohabitation."
lol, how true. :evilgrin:
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 08:45 PM
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4. using this law at this time fits right in the Right mentality!!
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mongo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 09:07 PM
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5. It's about time!
This law got me back in the 90's when I had no idea of it's existance. The landlord would just ask who and when you said me and my girlfriend, the place was suddenly not available.

Except for the people who would start screaming at me about living in sin - really!
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Runcible Spoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 09:33 PM
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7. this is so fucked up! is this one of the anti-vibrator states too?
WOW we really are in the dark ages sometimes...
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Triana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 10:17 PM
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13. anti oral sex too...
oral sex is also illegal in nc
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 06:57 AM
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40. Even among MARRIED PEOPLE
There was a case in the 1980's outside of Greensboro where a woman broke up with her boyfriend, reported him as having performed oral sex on her and vice versa. The cops went to his house and questioned him. He was like, yeah, so what? Long story short -- he got something like two years in prison. I think the USSC Texas sodomy ruling overturned all of these laws, though.
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Charon Donating Member (321 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 08:36 AM
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43. Texas sodomy law
I am not so sure about that. The Texas Law was clearly targeted against Homosexuals. I Thought that it was found unconstitutional because of targeting a specific group of people. Here in Virginia,
the sodomy law does not distinquish between Homosexual, Heterosexual,
married or unmarried. It is still on the books. Does anyone know for sure that the Texas case clearly struck down any/and all sodomy
laws, regardless of their application?
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VegasWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 09:37 PM
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8. The holes in the woodwork are packed with religious nutcases since
Bush has been in office. They are appearing everywhere. Where
is Orkin?
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iamjoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 10:19 PM
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14. Orkin is Republican
of course, there is a mysterious contribution from one of the owners to the Democratic Party of Delaware and another owner gave Bill Nelson $2,000 in 2003.

but mostly, they support Republicans.
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 09:44 PM
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9. Push comes to shove. Keep your job until they fire you. Don't quit.
So, her boss is a Southern sheriff? Hoo-boy, don't get me started.
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Broca Donating Member (524 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 09:53 PM
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10. Back in the late 70's or early 80's the "Moral Majority"
attempted to get legislators to introduce such legislation in Wisconsin. It went no where then but I would not be surprised given the current reign of rightwing lunacy if it was to come back for another try. What next? Mandating a bible and a flag in every home?

The N.C. law appears to neglect gay unmarried couples to live together and applies only to opposite sex couples. Maybe the N.C. people are half enlightened but more likely a historical oversight.
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lildreamer316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 10:01 PM
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11. Oh shit.
I'm breaking the law. Please don't tell anyone! :hide:
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short bus president Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 10:01 PM
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12. I lived in violation of this law for over a year.
I feel so... bad!

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DemoTex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 10:26 PM
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16. Exactly why I am a card carrying ACLU member!
I give the ACLU big bucks every year. Thank you ACLU!

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justjones Donating Member (596 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 10:45 PM
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17. This is ri-fu*ck-ing-dic-u-lous!
Between this, pharmacists refusing to fill birth control pill prescriptions, and every other backwards ass thing I hear these right-wing freaks expound in the media, I've stopped being flabbergasted by this lunacy.

It is 2005, right?!?! I'm numb.

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KaliTracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 10:53 PM
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19. more like 1965... can't believe we're going so far back n/t
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tyedyeto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 10:48 PM
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18. It's hard to believe that in this day and age................
people are still so small minded that they have to keep prying into other folks bedrooms.
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ngGale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 11:30 PM
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21. Good grief!
I knew it would come to this at some point. NC fundies!
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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 12:25 AM
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22. This has always been around here in N.C.
Edited on Wed Mar-30-05 12:26 AM by Hissyspit
Lots of my friends have been guilty of "breaking" this law. It's a joke, and has often been treated as such in daily conversation, and as evidence of the ludicrousness and impracticality of puritanistic laws. I believe the N.C. obscenity law is still on the books as well (IIRC), and professors who show certain films in class are technically in violation of that.
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Jamastiene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 07:23 AM
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42. The obscenity law is still on the books
and they mostly use the anti oral sex laws against gay couples. It's like this here. I can attest to that. They will also use a 1939 ordinance to stop a rock concert, like here in Rockingham back in the 90's. They brought the CCC in to claim a rock concert would cause an increase in homosexuality and crime, as if. It's just the kind of thing I've been pointing out to people. The indignity of being trapped here by finances is gut wrenching.
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Erika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 12:41 AM
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23. Sorry to talk about the South again
But are these situations for real and you allow theocracy in your states?
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thecrow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 12:50 AM
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25. The other states are
The other states with anti-cohabitation laws on the books include:
(1) Florida
(2) Michigan
(3) Mississippi
(4) North Carolina
(5) North Dakota
(6) Virginia
(7) West Virginia

The most common reason states give for not overturning the anti-cohabiting law is that the state wants to uphold family values. To eradicate cohabitation among men and women, each state should form anti-cohabiting squads that go door-to-door asking couples if they are married. If the couple is not married, the squad should arrest the couple. Arresting the couple will definitely promote family values among the population. Won't it?

posted by Joe @ 6/30/2004 08:39:50 AM
http://oohlah.blogspot.com/2004/06/cohabitating-in-nc-i...
****************************
Note: These are not my words, but of the blogger (Joe?) at the url
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WoodrowFan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 11:01 AM
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45. Virginia?
huh, my wife and I rented a house together before we were married. umm, I'm a fugitive from the law now!
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thecrow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 08:33 PM
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47. My beloved and I have been here for 10 years.
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entanglement Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 01:32 AM
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26. Ridiculous. This law has no business
being in the statute books in 2005.
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SemperEadem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 01:41 AM
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27. Ok...is the law forcing her partner to marry her, too
or lose his job or are they, once again, picking on and discriminating against a woman? I don't see what business it is of her boss to interfere in her life and how she chooses to live. No one has the right to dictate someone marry in order to keep their job.
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 03:45 AM
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28. Her boss is an asshole. n/t
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Ruffhowse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 05:16 AM
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29. Woman sues over law against cohabitation
WILMINGTON, North Carolina (AP) -- A former sheriff's dispatcher who quit her job after her boss found out she lived with her boyfriend is challenging North Carolina's law against cohabitation.

Debora Hobbs said she was told to get married, move out, or find another job after her boss found out about her living situation. The legal arm of the American Civil Liberties Union of North Carolina filed the lawsuit Monday on her behalf.

The lawsuit seeks to abolish the nearly 200-year-old -- and rarely enforced -- law that prohibits unmarried, unrelated adults of the opposite sex from living together. North Carolina is one of seven states with such a law.

Convicted offenders face a fine and up to 60 days in jail.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/03/29/cohabitation.lawsuit....
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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 05:16 AM
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30. Dupe:
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 05:16 AM
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31. Her boss is an asshole. n/t
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Penguin31 Donating Member (208 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 05:16 AM
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32. What are the other six states? [NT]
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ogradda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 05:16 AM
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33. That's what I want to know.
How could you google that?
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LdyGuique Donating Member (610 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 05:16 AM
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34. here are the states
I googled using "laws against cohabitation"

laws against cohabitation are still in place in Florida, Michigan, Mississippi, North Carolina, North Dakota, Virginia and West Virginia. Arizona and New Mexico decriminalized cohabitation in 2001

http://www.unmarriedamerica.org/News-About-Us/Anti-coha...
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markus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 06:48 AM
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36. In N.D. it is limited to housing discrimination
A landlord may refuse to rent to an unmarried couple.

Interesting question: can they, under our Institutionalized Homophobia Amendment, refuse to rent to two men? Or would that constitute somehow recognizing their relationship?

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HockeyMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 07:03 AM
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41. Florida
Why am I not surprised?
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clydefrand Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 06:36 AM
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35. I hope this comes up with Congress and every asshole
there is exposed for having lived with someone out of wedlock...I don't care what party it is! Let's get on with the BIIIIGGGGGGGG debate. I'm sick of the Shiavo case. Let's throw a little sex in with this and make it exciting. Can't wait.

I hope she wins her suit and finds out her boss is another hypocrite like the rest of them.
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 06:52 AM
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37. Gosh, Pender County having a Wingnut Sheriff
What a surprise... not! Also, I think Pender had some of the wonky voting machines. Just interesting...
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Justitia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 10:44 AM
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44. NC also had that infamous case re: "alienation of affection"
where the scorned wife successfully sued the other woman for "stealing" her husband.

You gotta live in some kind of fantasy land if you think your marriage was hunky-dorey before some third party came along and "caused" a "perfectly" good marriage to break up. Her husband had been sleeping on the couch for over a yr before the affair, apparently.

Of course, the idiot jury sewed a giant red "A" on the chest of the other woman - you know, for "Award" - giving the ex-wife a judgment in the millions I believe.

Legislating "morality" - what a joke.
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Mugweed Donating Member (939 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 11:07 AM
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46. I think they something like have that here in my area of Florida
But it's for three or more unrelated people. I remember back in my college days when my female friend and I tried to rent a house from this old guy. He told us we couldn't rent the house because of the Anti-Copulation Law. We laughed our asses off.
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Realityhack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 08:35 PM
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48. It will take time
but I have little doubt that this law will go down in flames. Prity blatantly unconstitutional.

But then stranger things have happened.

/Realityhack
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