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Rose Siding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 07:12 PM
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NRA Says Teachers Should Have Guns
PHOENIX -- All options should be considered to prevent rampages like the Minnesota school shooting that took 10 lives -- including making guns available to teachers, a top National Rifle Association leader said Friday.

"I'm not saying that that means every teacher should have a gun or not, but what I am saying is we need to look at all the options at what will truly protect the students," the NRA's first vice president, Sandra S. Froman, told The Associated Press.

Gun-control restrictions would not have prevented Jeff Weise, 16, from killing nine people and himself Monday at Red Lake High School near Bemidji, Minn., said Froman, an attorney expected next month to be elected president of the NRA, which claims 4 million members.
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Froman said if it is the responsibility of teachers to protect students in a school, "then we as a society, we as a community have to provide a way for the teachers to do that."

http://www.newsday.com/news/nationworld/wire/sns-ap-nra...
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rooboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 07:13 PM
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1. Now there's a conundrum...does the NRA support giving Ward Churchill one?
eom
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boneygrey Donating Member (651 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 07:14 PM
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5. Ohhh good point n/t
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MSgt213 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 07:14 PM
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2. Not having a gun would have no effect on someone getting shot with one?
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Plaid Adder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 07:14 PM
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3. THAT'S THE CRAZIEST FUCKING THING I'VE EVER HEARD!!
I'm sorry. The only way you could make the security situation in most public high schools WORSE than it is now would be to arm the teachers. Jesus Christ! The principals would have to go around in Kevlar bodysuits!

The NRA. Jesus Christ. When are their 15 minutes gonna be up? It cannot be too soon.

Argh,

The Plaid Adder
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comradebillyboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 07:45 PM
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20. you sound just like a teacher
nt
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Daphne08 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 09:57 PM
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39. Well, I'm a teacher and
Plaid Adder has a valid point.

The public has no idea (and to their credit, they have no way of knowing since they're not personally involved) of the downright harassment many teachers must endure because of their principals. (The degree varies from state to state, but it is definitely a problem.) I know that sounds crazy, but it is the truth.

Oh, and teachers should not have guns for the same reason they should not carry much money with them at work... it can be stolen.









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Orrin_73 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 08:08 PM
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27. THE SECOND CRAZIEST FUCKING THING IS
When Jessy "The Fruitcake" Ventura said that janitors shoud carry guns!
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Wabbajack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 09:27 PM
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35. In Schools?
Or all janitors?.
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Orrin_73 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 09:45 PM
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38. In schools I believe
n/t
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Moosepoop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-26-05 06:32 AM
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70. Forget the janitor
It's the Lunch Lady who needs a gun! }(
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-26-05 06:42 AM
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71. I vote for the teacher's aid to have a gun and no one else!
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Lisa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 08:29 PM
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28. and I wondered why our new Board of Education building ...
... looks like a concrete-slab bunker!


No kidding. If they arm the teachers and instructional assistants, the administration would be toast!

To the NRA -- thanks, but I'll develop my own classroom rules.
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 07:14 PM
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4. Solly says Froman needs thorazine...
let her go tell that to a wall 24/7
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PaDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 07:17 PM
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6. Unreal
the way to curb gun violence is.......to arm everyone imaginable. Incredible logic. How about real gun control. It would take a generation to really get a grip on things, maybe more. It's time.
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 07:19 PM
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7. No guns in school
I'm pretty pro-gun and generally agree with the NRA most of the time. But the only people that should have guns in schools are security personell, and even then only as needed.

But teachers who get a lot of death threats from parents or "concerned citizens" may want to consider arming themselves off campus.
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tubbacheez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 07:20 PM
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8. LOL! These are teachers, not Federal Marshals.
Who's going to arm, and train, buy ammo for, and maintain training for millions of teachers nationwide?




"All options should be considered..." indeed!

How about finding ways to help the outcasts before they snap?






Sure, an appropriately prepared professional may (try to) shoot an outcast after he snaps (but before he shoots someone).

But that's a pretty high-drama option, out of ALL THE OPTIONS that we should consider, no?
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Benhurst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 07:21 PM
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9. Great idea; but only if the students are armed as well.
Why settle disputes with long, drawn out dialogs when shootouts are so quick and decisive? :silly:
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 07:23 PM
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10. oh my God!! unbelievable!!
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 07:40 PM
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15. PTA Meetings at the OK Corral
:eyes:
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Pithy Cherub Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 07:46 PM
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21. High Noon in Study Hall or maybe Health...
The NRA continuously improves upon the definition of stupidity! :eyes:
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Lisa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 08:31 PM
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29. PD (Professional Development) days at the rifle range!
Will there be mandatory target-shooting courses for a teaching degree?
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 10:08 PM
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43. A whole new meaning for "Targeted Teaching" strategies & methods
Edited on Fri Mar-25-05 10:10 PM by TahitiNut
:evilgrin:
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Last Lemming Donating Member (806 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 07:24 PM
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11. I can see it now
"So now, Billy can't remember the three branches of government, can he? Look Billy," points gun to head, "does this refresh your memory??"
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deadparrot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 07:24 PM
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12. As the daughter of two teachers,
and the niece of another in an inner city school, I can say with full certainty that my relatives would refuse. My mom HATES guns. Loathes them. Flipped out when my brother brought home a cap gun one day. No way in hell.
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truthisfreedom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 07:31 PM
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13. hmmph. interesting timing... the bodies are still warm, and they're
calling for more guns... and the guns that killed the kids were cop's guns... if a cop's gun can be used to kill kids, how safe is a teacher's gun? having guns in schools is just a sick, sick idea, and i'm SOOOOO glad he announced this in the light of the school killings this week. it makes the nra look exactly like what they are... SICK WACKOS.
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kymar57 Donating Member (377 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 07:54 PM
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24. Amen TIF
The key to curbing gun violence in schools is to put more guns in schools?? :wtf:
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FourStarDemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 07:39 PM
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14. "Johnny, I'm not going to shoot you if you don't bring in your homework.."
"...but bring it in next time, 'cos we wouldn't want any 'accidents' to occur in the future, now do we Johnny?" Yeah, the NRA sure is making a lot of sense, once again. :eyes:
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comradebillyboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 07:43 PM
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16. i am a high school teacher who just finished the
Edited on Fri Mar-25-05 07:44 PM by comradebillyboy
'concealed carry weapon' (ccw) training and will apply for the permit shortly. but guns at school are not a good idea. just like guns in bars are a bad idea.

the instructor gave a big discount for the group of teachers who took the class with me.

now here is my moral dilemma, the best private range in the area requires that i be an nra member to join. what should i do?
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bunkerbuster1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 08:06 PM
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25. You want to support the organization that called ATF agents
"jack booted thugs," be my guest.
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Last Lemming Donating Member (806 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 10:06 PM
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41. Why not
the great tragedies of life are that sometimes guns need to be fired and sometimes wars need to be fought (that's why we liberals keep getting tripped up.)

Just don't bring your class on a field day.
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Last Lemming Donating Member (806 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 10:08 PM
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42. And sometimes bloggers need to be tendentious n/t
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Gregorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 07:43 PM
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17. Class...Class... SHUT_UP!
There's only one logical conclusion to this- Everyone must have a gun. Oh what a world it could be. What the hell is wrong with humans, today. Has everyone gone off of the deep end.

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gtar100 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 07:44 PM
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18. Their just trying to open up new markets
Those good little capitalists surely don't mean no harm. They see a need and they've got a product. End of thinking.
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Danmel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 07:45 PM
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19. Reminds of that "All in the Family" Episode
Where Archie says the solution to hijackings is to give very passenger a gun! Truth is stranger than fiction.
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alcuno Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 07:47 PM
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22. I'm a middle school teacher. Do NOT give me a gun in school.
Bad idea.
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TN al Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 07:47 PM
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23. I recall that they have issued the very same press release...
...after other school shootings as well. Is it just me or does anyone else remember it too?
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TheModernTerrorist Donating Member (645 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 08:06 PM
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26. I just started teaching
and personally, I think it's a TERRIBLE idea. Talk about ruining the impact that education should have on our children. The last thing I need is a bunch of students concerned about me having a gun. We have an armed security guard at my school, and sometimes I wonder why we even have THAT.
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mediaman007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 08:32 PM
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30. Notice that they didn't suggest "TASERS"...
Guns and Tasers would certainly cut down on the parents who complain!
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ananda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 09:00 PM
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31. or..
Tranquilizer darts... Lol

Seriously, guns have no business in homes or schools. Period.

Sue
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mediaman007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 10:02 PM
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40. You're right on target! (black humor!)
I'm in my 36th year of teaching. I can't imagine a situation where a gun, TASER or dart gun would have created any kind of positive result.

I suspect that if you were out of milk, the NRA would suggest using a gun!
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despairing optimist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 09:03 PM
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32. So, instead of silver stars, Ms. Merkel will shell out silver bullets?
Metal detectors and armed security guards at every school door. Teachers packing heat, maybe pearl-handled revolvers, and bandoliers in muted colors.

Gives a whole new meaning to No Child Left Behind.
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Neoma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 09:04 PM
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33. That is the stupidest thing i have ever heard.
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True_Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 09:07 PM
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34. After a teacher loses it and shoots a student....
then they'll suggest letting the students carry guns to protect themselves from the teachers.
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AuntiBush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 09:34 PM
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36. What they really mean: "will truly kill the students" if they act-up.
Our country has lost it's mind.

Founding fathers alert: Another one has just rolled over for the umpteenth time!
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Silverhair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 09:39 PM
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37. Waaay over the top. And I am a strong gun rights supporter. NT
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BiggJawn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 10:11 PM
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44. And the NRA wonders why people think we're "Nuts"...
Stupid Woman. Did she come up with that while rocking her head back and forth, bouncing off her shoulder pads?

People like her give us non-crazy firearm owners a bad name.
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DemoTex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 10:20 PM
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46. Non-crazy firearm owners need a better mouthpiece than the corrupt NRA!
Right to gun ownership and the NRA are no longer things of the same breath. I support responsible gun ownership (but I will not own one), but I absolutely condemn the NRA! Culture of life, right?

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BiggJawn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 11:15 PM
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56. Boy, don't we though...
I have a hard time deciding who is more out of touch these days, the NRA, or the ARRL...

So I don't give either any money.

BTW, I think Chimpy's watering can is too big.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 10:12 PM
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45. NRA says everyone should have.
No reasonable restrictions because any is unreasonable to them (its their cause in life).
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Geo55 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 10:34 PM
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47. Yup....
I can see it all now.....
Little Johnny an' Zeke face off in the main corridor....
everybody's packin' , but Zeke's sportin' a 9 Mil , an' he's a dead shot....so they all take cover in the classrooms

Canada anyone?
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 10:41 PM
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48. More guns everywhere! Nobody is ever accidentally shot!
A policeman was shot dead Friday in what appears to be an accident, authorities said ...
http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=14224122&BRD=...

Clay County detectives believe a young boy shot himself in the chest while his father was teaching him about gun safety. The Sheriff's Office says the father was showing his 10-year-old son how to clean a gun when the boy picked it up and accidentally pulled the trigger ...
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.a...

A New Haven teenager is hospitalized in serious condition after police say he was accidentally shot by his friend, NBC 30 reported. Nyeisha Douglas was standing right behind her friend, Devin Davis, 17, when she said he was shot in the neck by another friend. Douglas told NBC 30 the shooting was an accident. "They're close friends, it wasn't a fight or anything," said Douglas ...
http://www.nbc30.com/news/4319192/detail.html

... Those two elements converged on March 17 when the toddler, along with her 4-year-old brother, found the gun under a bed in a Greenville home while playing in a room unsupervised by any adult. Not knowing the difference between realistic toys children usually play with and a real gun, a tragedy occurred when that toddler allegedly aimed the weapon at her head and somehow pulled the trigger ... The Greenville incident was followed by another such incident in Covington County where authorities are investigating the fatal shooting of an 11-year-old boy. Preliminary results show the death to be accidental ... Dillen, a sixth-grade student, was apparently handling a loaded .22-caliber rifle when it discharged and a bullet struck him in the forehead. The gun was loaded and no safety lock was in place ...
http://www.ddtonline.com/articles/2005/03/25/news/edito...

A student accidentally shot herself in the arm at a Memphis high school today ... Police say the 17-year-old was wounded when she reached into her purse in a classroom and accidentally fired a handgun she was carrying ...
http://www.wbir.com/news/news.aspx?storyid=24344

... A Seattle police officer who was working off-duty at a North Seattle grocery store accidentally shot himself with his service weapon late Wednesday ... http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2002219...

Broward Sheriff Ken Jenne agreed Thursday to pay for 60 more days of care for a Mexican immigrant accidentally shot in the head by a deputy who thought he was a burglary suspect ...
http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/11224102.htm

... An off-duty state corrections officer who was a patron at the bar was also injured after he attempted to aid in the suspects apprehension. The officer, who was not identified by police, accidentally shot himself in the foot while attempting to retrieve his firearm from an ankle holster during the melee ...
http://ebs.gmnews.com/news/2005/0324/Front_Page/003.htm...

A Belmont County teenager is recovering from a gunshot wound to the leg after an accidental shooting Wednesday night. The incident happened when the boy was at the home of a friend on Brittney Drive in St. Clairsville. Belmont County Sheriff Fred Thompson says a 13-year-old boy was handling a rifle when it discharged. The bullet lodged itself in the upper right leg of the boy's friend, a 14-year-old Union Local student ...
http://www.wtov9.com/news/4316080/detail.html

... Each year, accidental shootings kill about 200 American children and injure several thousand more. Also, the risk of teen suicide is up to 10 times higher in households where a firearm is present ...
http://www.gainesvilletimes.com/news/stories/20050325/l...


All of these snippets are from stories posted in the last 24 hours.

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imagine1989 Donating Member (51 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 10:45 PM
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49. typical NRA
According to the NRA, the solution for every gun-related incident is MORE GUNS!!!

gun+gun=guns^2
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imagine1989 Donating Member (51 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 10:46 PM
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50. What if...
What if the kids took over the classroom and got a hold of the gun?

Slight Problem.
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Pinboy Donating Member (268 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 11:01 PM
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52. Never happen, 'cause a teacher is SOOOO much better trained and
prepared to resist having a gun taken away than, say, a sheriff's deputy in an Atlanta courthouse.

Ironic that the NRA comes up with this brilliant idea only 2 weeks after the Atlanta tragedy.
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DemocracyInaction Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 10:48 PM
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51. Oh, thank God I'm a RETIRED teacher
...wonder how many teachers by days end would either a) use it ON the students or b) on themselves........... Then there is just laying it out on the desk next to a sign that says "make my day"...........
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Anakin Skywalker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 11:04 PM
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53. Oh Yeah! Let's Turn Our School Grounds
into the Wild West! Sheesh.
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screembloodymurder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 11:07 PM
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54. All options?
How about banning Prosac?
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 11:14 PM
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55. I don't want a gun in my classroom.
It would probably make discipline easier...hey why don't we allow torture in the classroom as well! Yeah, it would be great...we could torture students that might pose a threat in the foreseeable future. While we are at it...why not bring hungry lions and chain them to the walls in classrooms! If the kids act up, just feed em to the lions! :crazy:
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bushcrab Donating Member (137 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 11:18 PM
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57. How bout we just give them laser pointers instead? nt
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hollowdweller Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 11:20 PM
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58. The security guard that got shot damn sure should have had one!

I don't know about the teachers. As ill behaved as kids are these days they might be tempted to knock a few of the little cretins off in a moment of weakness!
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Endangered Specie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 11:23 PM
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59. If I recall, the last time the 'teachers' had guns...
they called it "Re-education". :grr:
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jmcon007 Donating Member (782 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-26-05 12:13 AM
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60. great NRA idea....
It has to be so easy to be an NRA spokeperson. All you need to parrot is that the answer to all problems with guns is simply to introduce more guns.

It's a little like the neonut elixir for all that ailes our economy: huge tax cuts for the wealthy. Inflation? Tax cuts. Recession? Tax cuts. Surplus? Tax cuts. Kidney stones? Tax cuts.

And what is their answer to the crushing debt their tax cuts have created? You guessed it.
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Mokito Donating Member (710 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-26-05 01:05 AM
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61. This gives a whole new meaning to the term "pop quiz"
doesn't it?
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Placebo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-26-05 01:06 AM
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62. The things people will say and do...
when they've given themselves up entirely to the pursuit of money, with a total disregard for human life.
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President Kerry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-26-05 01:25 AM
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63. How about requiring students to carry guns for self-defense, Sandra?
And just in case arm the principal with a Bazooka? just when you think those fruitcakes have done it, they outdo themselves
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LincolnMcGrath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-26-05 01:46 AM
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64. I was close.
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Whoa_Nelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-26-05 01:58 AM
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65. Teacher With Gun Tasered and Dies
Can see the headline now...
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Biased Liberal Media Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-26-05 01:59 AM
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66. Please, tell me why I want to send my child to public school again?? n/t
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-26-05 02:00 AM
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67. The NRA is doing harm to the gun rights movement with this extremist BS.
This would be crazy. Where would a Junior High School teacher *store* a gun? Those kids are wiley and guns *will* be stolen.
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Theduckno2 Donating Member (905 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-26-05 02:29 AM
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68. I can just see it now...
A teacher sitting behind their desk. On the desk, a pile of schoolbooks, with a shiny apple on top. Next to the pile of books is a six-shooter with a caption that reads "I'm a teacher and the only Law west of the principal's office!" What a stupid idea!!!!
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dbt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-26-05 05:38 AM
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69. If Teachers had guns
there would be some dead parents lining the streets! (Teachers, you know exactly the parents I'm talkin' about!)

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