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hue Donating Member (571 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-05 08:06 AM
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Frozen mammouth unveiled in central Japan (future cloning)

Frozen mammoth unveiled in central Japan ahead of Expo 2005

Fri Mar 18, 2:04 AM ET
Science - AFP

NAGAKUTE, Japan (AFP) - A frozen mammoth dug up from the Siberian tundra was unveiled in central Japan in a preview of the six-month World Exposition which is expected to draw millions of tourists.

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The beast, believed to have lived 18,000 years ago and preserved in a giant refrigerator, is a key exhibit of the Expo, which will open to the public one week later and will largely feature more modern wonders such as robots.

Full-bodied mammoths have been found in the ground in the past, but the exhibit at the World Expo is billed as the most successful attempt yet to excavate and display almost the full animal.

The extinct mammoth on display has a nearly intact soil-colored head covered with muscle tissue and some woolly hair, along with tusks and a front leg.

more...

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=1539&e=5&u=/afp/20050318/sc_afp/expo2005japanmammoth_050318070413
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expatriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-05 08:22 AM
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1. oh yeah.... get a female elephant to carry the embryo.. let's get started!
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Pithy Cherub Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-05 10:51 PM
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15. Jurassic Park redux
came to mind first. Not sure the science is fully prepared hence the cyrogenic 'refrigerated' approach. Why not a freezer. :eyes:
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MetaTrope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-05 11:34 AM
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22. Actually, cloned mammoths will be communicating telepathically
with cloned Neanderthal families...cf. The Peking Man (1997)
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hue Donating Member (571 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-05 08:31 AM
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2. It seems Japan and Russia don't have the ethical constraints...
that the US does! I wonder where unconstrained science will lead us!

(Hope baby mammouths aren't born with little tusk nubbins--poor mother elephant!)
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-05 10:33 AM
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5. What are you talking about? They are not held back by rightwing zealots
Gimme a break. Bush has gutted everything that's not faith-based science.

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freethought Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-05 10:04 AM
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3. Cloning of mammoths? Possible but
DNA degrades over time even if the specimen is kept in a preserved state, frozen or otherwise. Australia tried to clone a Tasmanian tiger from a preserved specimen but the whole project was abandoned because the DNA was so badly degraded. This mammoth is 18000 years old, the genetic material may be in poor condition.
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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-05 10:40 AM
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6. Yep, it's condition overall looks "poor" at best
but those tusks are fairly impressive:


I seriously doubt that there's any possibility of cloning from this specimen.
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-05 10:28 AM
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4. fingers crossed -- this is one species
i'd love to returned.
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Vogon_Glory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-05 10:43 AM
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7. Sergeant Tusker's Lonely Hearts Club Band
I'd feel for the mammoth if the cloning job is successful. Imagine being the only one of your species left (And if the northern permafrost keeps melting, there won't be much chance for collecting the DNA of other mammoths), living in a very small space, surrounded by the little two legged pests that hounded your fellows into extinction.
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Zerex71 Donating Member (692 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-05 10:53 AM
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8. Just remember:
To the fundies, God put him there. Evolution? Nonsense!
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wildflower Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-05 11:35 AM
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9. They had refrigerators 18,000 years ago? :)
Edited on Sat Mar-19-05 11:53 AM by wildflower
Anyone else read this sentence that way: "The beast, believed to have lived 18,000 years ago and preserved in a giant refrigerator..."

ANYhoosel (as Janeane would say), that is fascinating. I always wondered why they went extinct.

-wildflower
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Cessna Invesco Palin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-05 12:16 PM
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10. Hmm...
What *would* a wooly mammoth keep in a giant refridgerator?

Oh, sorry... Thought I was in the Lounge.
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Don1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-05 07:39 AM
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20. His Tuscanini's?
Sorry, I thought you were in the lounge, too.

I am very curious about mammoths, but is this really good news? We are trying to clone an extinct animal that we are largely responsible for killing off. That way we can put the final product of several trial-and-error generations in a zoo in Japan?
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paineinthearse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-05 03:58 PM
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13. Impossible!!!!!
Everyone knows the earth and universe were created in 6 days approximagtely 6000 years ago. Blasphemy!
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pinniped Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-05 04:43 AM
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18. Ok, ok, the beast is really -12,000 years old.
:silly:
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expatriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-05 09:49 PM
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14. Great Neolithic civilization collapses because of bad tech investments.
"Hindsight is always 20-20 on these sort of things," said Cheiftan of Industry and Technology Ugh-Ooga.

But critics of the elder clansmen were not so eager to excuse the ultimately apocalyptic decision of the Chieftans. "One word: Siberia," said Agh-Oof, regular tribal critic. "We eat frozen mammoth in fricking AUGUST."



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wildflower Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-05 10:49 AM
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21. LOL. A friend said to me, "They did have giant refrigerators back then..."
"They were called glaciers!"

And permafrost.

Who knows how much longer that will be true; we'll need the cooling technology ever more, I fear.

-wildflower
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FrankieBud Donating Member (68 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-05 12:30 PM
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11. mmmmmmmmmm
mammoth
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LiberalEsto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-05 03:45 PM
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12. frozen
mammoth-on-a-stick
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The Sushi Bandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-05 04:34 AM
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16. I hear Sarah Jessica Parker is dating the "Wooly"
she will do anything to help her career
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NIGHT TRIPPER Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-05 04:42 AM
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17. compatible, ---looks wise
That "Sux in the City" star kind of has that "prehistoric" look--
every time I see that face I think of scary monsters.
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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-05 04:48 AM
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19. These are Jesus elephants
The poor babies were too busy playing to board the ark in time. The same thing happened to the unicorns. Such a tragedy.
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