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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-11-05 07:21 PM
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Quebec Immigration Experts Want to Make Sharia (sic) law Illegal
How do you feel about this? Are we too liberal if we allow divorces to take place according to customary law? If both parties agree?

Is the Liberal World 'hitting back' against fundamentalists? Should we?
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Book Lover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-11-05 07:22 PM
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1. Link? (nt)
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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-11-05 07:32 PM
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5. I just heard it on the radio. They want to ask all immigrants to agree to
follow the rule of law in Canada even when it goes against religious 'norms'.
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amazona Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-11-05 07:23 PM
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2. good for them
Edited on Fri Mar-11-05 07:24 PM by amazona
Sharia law is not just a matter of quickie divorces, it also allows for such things as stoning rape victims to death as adulteresses. Any place in Africa where it has been allowed has quickly resulted in terrible setbacks to women's rights.

If you care about women, fight sharia law.

P.S. In answer to your question, there is nothing in the least bit liberal about supporting fundamentalist religion of any stripe. You cannot have liberty for women and fundamentalist religion. Period.

The conservation movement is a breeding ground of communists
and other subversives. We intend to clean them out,
even if it means rounding up every birdwatcher in the country.
--John Mitchell, US Attorney General 1969-72


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ProgressiveConn Donating Member (820 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-11-05 07:29 PM
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3. It should not single out one set of religious laws.
It should either ban all religious laws or none by name.
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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-11-05 07:29 PM
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4. I didn't know Quebec instituted Sharia
Somebody explain this. Why would anybody in Canada be concerned about Sharia?

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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-11-05 07:40 PM
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7. Like many liberal countries... when communities offer to take something
off the hands of the government and use cultural norms (like with aboriginal sentencing for example because sending someone to connect to the great outdoors for a year is more effective than putting them in jail often and it can be life changing)to do some work more efficiently. All parties have to agree to submit to the cultural law in each instance. So with Canada being very, very multicultural.. it has been tempting to extend that. Of course criminal law would not be effected.

And now because of what happened in France.. we rethink this liberalism and think it may be the thin edge of the wedge.



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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-11-05 07:48 PM
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9. Thank you
nt
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achtung_circus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-11-05 07:35 PM
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6. Some years ago
I believe about 7-8 years or so, there was the very beginning of a debate at the Federal level about allowing alternative systems of justice in Canada.

The shit hit the fan, not only regarding Sharia. What about allowing worshippers of the Goddess Kali to sacrifice souls by murdering strangers.

thug (thŭg) pronunciation
n.

1. A cutthroat or ruffian; a hoodlum.
2. also Thug One of a band of professional assassins formerly active in northern India who worshiped Kali and offered their victims to her.


thug'gery n.
thug'gish adj.

What about the Hindu practice of Suttee?

suttee click here to track this topic
Related: Hindu

(sŭ&180;tē, sŭtē&180 ;) , former Indian funeral practice in which the widow immolated herself on her husband's funeral pyre. The practice of killing a favorite wife on her husband's grave has been found in many parts of the world; it was followed by such peoples as the Thracians, the Scythians, the ancient Egyptians, the Scandinavians, the Chinese, and peoples of Oceania and Africa. Suttee was probably taken over by Hinduism from a more ancient source.

Mere religious practice doesn't make a practice acceptable.

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Nay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-11-05 07:46 PM
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8. good for them. No secular gov should ever incorporate
or allow to be operated any religious laws like sharia. A woman whose religion says she cannot divorce can, if she moves to Canada, divorce at will. And the opposite is true as well -- if her religion says her husband can divorce her by saying "I divorce you" three times, well, that won't cut it in Canada. You still have to file in court, divide property, parcel out kids and determine child support, etc., and to hell with what the religion says.
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Bitter Betty Donating Member (66 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-11-05 07:52 PM
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10. Sounds good to me
Canadian immigrants should follow the rule of Canadian law. The things that are done to women (honor killings & stonings) in the name of sharia law are appalling & should not be allowed in any country that cares about human rights. I'm not familiar with the rules around divorce.
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CatBoreal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-11-05 08:04 PM
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11. Unfortunately, the government of Ontario has approved the use of Sharia...
http://tinyurl.com/6vg8e

Basically it's to be used in community and family law issues and it's suppsosed to be voluntary and abide by the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms.

Personally I think it's bullshit and shouldn't be allowed. People are fighting this tooth and nail.

Good for Quebec!
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MrPrax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-11-05 08:40 PM
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12. Here's a Link...
Edited on Fri Mar-11-05 08:41 PM by MrPrax
Keep Islamic law out of Canada, Quebec politicians urge
Minister suggests province reject; Muslim immigrants who favour system

Islamic law has no place in Quebec or the rest of Canada, a provincial cabinet minister and several MNAs said yesterday.

With the Ontario government expected to decide shortly on whether to allow the Islamic legal code, known as sharia, to be applied to settle family disputes among Muslims, Liberal and Parti Quebecois MNAs warned yesterday that using sharia would lead to blatant violations of women's rights.

"I think all political parties in Quebec must say loud and clear that not only do we not want it in Quebec, we don't want it in Ontario and we don't want it in Canada," International Relations Minister Monique Gagnon-Tremblay said at a conference.
<snip>
"We must rework the social contract (for immigrants) so that the people - Muslims who want to come to Quebec and who do not respect women's rights or who do not respect whatever rights may be in our Civil Code - stay in their country and not come to Quebec, because that's unacceptable."

http://www.canada.com/montreal/montrealgazette/news/sto...

(if anyone wants to know, MNA is a 'Member of the National Assembly'; same as MLA
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VirginiaDem Donating Member (574 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-11-05 09:03 PM
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13. So...do we have a quorum? Is DU agreed that
sharia law should become/remain illegal in Canada? All in favor say Aye...
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icymist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-11-05 09:18 PM
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14. Aye! But I'm an American. It don't say much except....
that when I can, I'll support you. I think highly of the Canadians with George Bush's world. You guys stood up to him. I admire that.
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RainDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-11-05 10:02 PM
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15. Why should any religion be allowed to have its own set of laws?
...if those laws are considered human rights issues in their application?

It's not just sharia. Should dominionist christians be allowed to kill homosexuals because of what someone wrote thousands of years ago and someone else put in a book and called the Levitcus?

Religious freedom stops when that freedom is used to impose upon the rights of other humans. believe what you want. eat peyote and have a vision. but do not try to force another person to eat peyote, or use a relgious belief to justify hate (as in the treatment of women...in all three fundie versions of monotheism, btw.)

Democracies were founded on Enlightenment principles which state that human reason, not godly dictate, is the foundation for govt.

If someone wants to live in a theocracy, then they should move to a place that is a theocracy.

But if someone wants to overthrow the govt (and here I'm thinking about Christian Reconstructionists who claim they are "called by god" to create a theocracy in the U.S.)...just because it's their religion, does that make it okay?

Obviously it is not.

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Imajika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-11-05 10:12 PM
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16. I think it's up to Canadians...
..or more specifically residents of Quebec in this case.

As an American, I am against Shari'a law being allowed anywhere in the US, but Canadians may feel differently and since it is their country I am content to watch and see what they decide without pesting them either way.

Canadians seem to be doing quite well for themselves so far. Whatever they decide, we should keep an open mind and see how it works out.

Imajika
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