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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-11-05 03:25 PM
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Report: Half of Alabama public school students now in poverty
Published March 11. 2005 3:02PM

Report: Half of Alabama public school students now in poverty

The Associated Press
The percentage of Alabama public school students living in poverty has crossed the 50 percent mark for the first time, according to the state education officials.

The Alabama State Department of Education released more than 1,200 "report cards" Thursday rating the state's 1,529 public schools. The reports show that 50.7 percent of Alabama's students receive free or reduced-price meals at school, an indicator of poverty.

The majority of children in 71 of the state's 129 school districts are from poor families.
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"It's imperative we get the funding from the Legislature," Morton said. "If we don't, then, yes, they are doomed ... to underperformance and a life of sheer agony by growing up as adults who cannot perform adequate literacy measures and do math and science. It would be a travesty for us to know how to fix that and not fix it."
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http://www.gadsdentimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/...
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Guckert Donating Member (946 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-11-05 03:27 PM
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1. Obviously they are just LAZY and need to get a JOB!! thanks DUMBya.
4 more years....YEA!!! :puke:
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Tandalayo_Scheisskopf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-11-05 03:29 PM
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2. Yet they still...
Vote for the people who are the very architects of their economic plight. Are these people on some mission to confirm every known crass stereotype about southerners in general and Alabamians in particular? Is this a philosophical deathwish? have they receded to The Middle Ages and are content with the thought that their reward lies in heaven, not in this world?
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Guckert Donating Member (946 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-11-05 03:37 PM
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5. A bunch of chickens voting for colonel sanders.
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PROGRESSIVE1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-11-05 03:40 PM
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7. ....
:nopity:
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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-11-05 07:01 PM
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36. They do not need to confirm those stereotypes
when people such as yourself are so eager to promote them at every opportunity whether they are true or not.

"They" is a mighty big word. If you will step outside the realm of red/blue oversimplifications for a moment and take the trouble to look up an electoral map of Alabama, you will find that Kerry won the poorest counties in the state. I repeat, Kerry won the poorest counties in the state. That band of blue running across the middle of Alabama is the "Black Belt," a place where Republicans are about as admired as the clap.

So no, "they" did not vote for Bush. Most people in Alabama did, of course, but not all of "them" did, and it was Alabama's poor who did support Kerry. In fact, the only income demographic that Kerry won nationwide was voters making under $50,000 per year, which means that if we want to blame anyone for being cursed with this man again it should be the complacent, self-absorbed middle class, which supported Bush from one end of the country to the other.
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Syrinx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-12-05 01:49 AM
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48. excellent, fact-based point!
:thumbsup:
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adigal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-12-05 05:28 PM
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72. The poor who voted for Kerry
should all go to the exurbs, which of course voted for Bush, with signs and cups held out, saying "Will work for food." I wonder what the middle class exurbians would do???
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-12-05 05:42 PM
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74. Dadgum!! I wish that I had written that! Well said! :-)
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-13-05 03:43 AM
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110. You are right
I'm glad you posted that. It is easy to get frustrated with poor states that voted for Bush and forget that the poor people in those states didn't.

"a place where Republicans are about as admired as the clap."

That's damned funny.
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-12-05 05:55 PM
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77. "They" who? To whom are you referring with all of this....
...crap in your post?

If you would bother to educate yourself about what really happens in the South, you would be severely embarrassed by the contents of your most recent posts about the South.

Do yourself a favor...do some research and when you return make your first post an apology to those of us who live in the South and have to take this kind of crap from fellow DUers.


You want to know why Democrats can't seem to reach some kind of common front to fight the GOP? It's because of attitudes like yours that I see repeated several times a day on DU.\

Here's a clue, Sparky...those of us from the South that belong to, and post on, the DU message boards are here for a reason. I'd ask you to guess what that reason might be, but based on your rather interesting topics for discussion, I really don't think you would be intelligent enough to come up with the correct reason even after a hundred guesses.

Your enemy lives on boards that are extremely conservative in nature and overrun by rightwing GOPers. Next time you want to express your opinion on this subject, take it to one of those boards because we're tired of seeing it.
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MisterP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-11-05 03:30 PM
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3. but--but--Right to Work was supposed to make every man a king!
it would Bring Jobs and Bring Money and Reduce Poverty. How could giving corps all kinds of breaks, quashing opposition and social programs, and letting them keep everything and take whatever they wanted lead to anything less than total wealth!? The Chicago Boys tell us that there is no alternative! What DO we do?!
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quaoar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-11-05 06:36 PM
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33. Well
In the last five to 10 years Alabama has built a Daimler/Chrysler assembly plant for the Mercedes SUV, a Honda plant that builds the Odyssey van and a Hyundai assembly facility.

So if you were to buy a Honda Odyssey or a Mercedes M Class, it was made right here in Alabama by us stupid, in-bred rednecks.

It wasn't right-to-work that brought those plants here but very generous state incentives like tax breaks and assistance in building infrastrucrture, etc. Of course, there's a whole different argument about the wisdom of that.

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Blue_Tires Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-12-05 05:46 PM
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76. AND the fact that neither plant uses UAW labor, imo
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-12-05 05:57 PM
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78. Details, details n/t
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Syrinx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-13-05 01:24 AM
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104. I'd like to see them become a union shop
But as things are, they are pretty good.

Everyone that I know, or have met, that works at the Mercedes plant has told me that the company treats them well. The Mercedes jobs are some of the most-envied blue-collar positions in the area, and the plant has had a definitely positive economic impact.

Still, I would like to see them unionize. I don't think Daimler-Chrysler would go anywhere -- the investment they have is just too big.
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sasquatch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-11-05 03:33 PM
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4. "Yeah, but at least the queers won't get married"
Edited on Fri Mar-11-05 03:34 PM by sasquatch
:eyes:
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sonicx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-11-05 03:40 PM
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6. No Child's Behind Left
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MidwestTransplant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-11-05 03:43 PM
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10. Once you are born, you are on your own.
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-11-05 03:42 PM
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8. The parents can go to hell. I am sorry for the kids.
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Eloriel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-11-05 08:13 PM
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39. I live next door in Georgia and I resent the hell out of your remark.
Frankly, I would like to think that a sentiment like that is beneath most DUers.

But since I can't have that, let me remind you that there are plenty of poor people who live in the South who vote Democratic when they get the chance.

I'm also tired of people here at DU, myself included too often, not fully respecting the FACT that We The People don't GET the news we need to have to make the right decisions about our democracy. And it's unreasonable to expect people to spend hours each day (as I usually do) to inform themselves.

Yes, some of them ARE stupid; some are seriously bigoted. But you have managed to malign and slime the population of an entire state -- and that's not only unfair, it doesn't do much good for YOUR reputation.
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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-11-05 10:33 PM
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46. Thanks, Eloriel. Very fine post. n/t
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BronxBoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-12-05 07:08 AM
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50. I agree
We moved from Georgia from NY just about a year ago and had I discovered DU before I moved here, I would have expected to find the state infested with slack jawed barbarians.

The people we have met, including some that would be called Bushbots or some other nomme du jour, have been quite pleasant and warm. I am sure that the stereotypical crazed conservative does exist but I don't think it furthers the cause of a progressive agenda to trash people just because of where they live.
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-12-05 05:44 PM
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75. Ziiiinnngggg!!! That's a high hard fastball under the chin! Thank you!!
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BamaGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-11-05 09:39 PM
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42. You know, there are quite a few Alabama posters around here
Many are parents with kids in public schools, and we happen to vote Democrat. This comment is completely uncalled for.
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BamaBecky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-12-05 04:08 PM
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65. I work with the behavior problem kids every day. Many of the parents
struggle to provide for their children. Even though the parents and the children are having a difficult time surviving, they love their kids. Sometimes when the parents come in, I can see why the child is clueless as to how to behave. I can't save them all. I may not save even one. At least I tried. Many want to be gansta's so bad.....and trying to sell "education" to them is not easy. It's too easy to just turn your backs on these folks. It's too easy to make fun of them. It's a whole "nother" thing to try to be a part of the solution.
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-11-05 03:43 PM
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9. But their parents still vote for Chimpy because he talks to God n/t
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progressivebydesign Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-11-05 04:17 PM
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26. Amen. n/t
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BamaBecky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-12-05 04:12 PM
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66. Well I think that's a testament to the success of the Rove Mind Control
machine......more than anything else.....Alabamians go to Church.
They are good people. They believe what they see and hear on Fox news. They distrust the Internets. You don't know how hard I'm working to FIX this problem!

So instead to simplistic remarks, come on down and help me out!
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Nite Owl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-11-05 03:44 PM
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11. Was Alabama
the state where the Republican governor tried to get through a bill that would raise taxes in order to improve the schools? He used the Bible to try and get it through too and it failed. This was at least a year ago.
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MountainLaurel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-11-05 03:49 PM
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14. Yes
The governor's name is Bob Riley.

http://www.aladems.net/thealabamademocrat//mont.asp
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-11-05 03:49 PM
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15. Yup. That was Bob Riley.
What about this spin?
'George W. Bush giveth, Bob Riley taketh away'
He saw the writing on the wall, and lost his job because of it! Here's a short article describing his dilemna from CNN from last year:

http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/09/09/mgrind.day.ri...
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Syrinx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-11-05 03:55 PM
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16. Riley is still governor
He's up next year.
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-11-05 04:01 PM
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19. Uh, oh! (Not from around Alabama. I assumed he was running & lost.)
Thanks for the news. He's a rare Republican: almost seems to be connected to a conscience!

Damn! I just looked up his photo. He doesn't have the obnoxious expression we're used to seeing on Republican faces. Maybe he's a Democrat, unconsciously!

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physioex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-11-05 04:04 PM
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22. I agree with everyones opinion.....
From what little I know about him and from what I have heard in the news, I was very impressed by the intelligence of this man. Ofcourse what he tried to failed miserably I am sorry to say.
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Syrinx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-11-05 04:04 PM
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23. I may vote in the Republican primary next year
Edited on Fri Mar-11-05 04:05 PM by Syrinx
It's an open primary, so even registered Democrats like me can vote. There's talk of Roy Moore opposing him.

In a bit of good news, polls show Democrat Lucy Baxley leading either one of them.
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-11-05 04:10 PM
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24. Judge Roy Moore!
Edited on Fri Mar-11-05 04:12 PM by Judi Lynn
It may slow him down somewhat, dragging his monument around with him campaigning. All he's got to commend him proceeds from his attention-grabbing stunt. Catapulted him right into the bosom of the truly socially-alienated fundamentalists.



On edit: A win by Judge Roy Moore should really kick the door shut on the poor.

Hope to hear more about the Democrat you mentioned in the time ahead.
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quaoar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-11-05 06:42 PM
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34. Actually
I have read a number of articles that indicate Roy Moore would be more of an economic populist than his party cares for. Of course, on social issues he is somewhere to the right of Jerry Falwell.

But my understanding is that Roy Moore is not a "Fuck the Poor" Republican.
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BamaGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-11-05 09:43 PM
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43. If Moore runs, I'm voting in the primary
against him. Just in case lol. Lucy seems to be popular enough for it not to be necessary though.
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Syrinx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-13-05 01:44 AM
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105. if it's Riley v. Moore in the pug primary, please vote in it
The polls say Baxley leads both, but if the right-wing Bible-thumpers do any one thing (besides hate), they vote. I fear they are thus under-represented in the polls. Don't take any chances, vote in the primary for the good Christian versus the bad Christian. Please?

:hi:
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trof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-12-05 08:53 AM
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55. I heard Lucy Baxley speak last year.
She is smart, witty, tough, and not too hard on the eye in a red-headed Lucille Ball kind of way.
I'm supporting her.
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Syrinx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-13-05 01:16 AM
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103. I saw an article about her getting a makeover... so she's in! :)
Her daughter told her that her hairdo was too "old-fashioned."

I wonder if the Republicans would have made such statewide inroads here if her ex-husband and Graddick hadn't had that disastrous primary back in '86?
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Rainscents Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-11-05 03:47 PM
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12. Maybe DieBold machine is cause of slime bags keeps on getting in.
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Syrinx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-11-05 03:59 PM
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17. well there may be something to that
Edited on Fri Mar-11-05 04:01 PM by Syrinx
Electronic voting was brought in in 1982. Reagan had won Albama in 1980 by the slimmest of margins (1%). In 1984, it was a Reagan landslide, and it hasn't been close since.
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quaoar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-11-05 06:44 PM
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35. Alabama votes
with optical scanners. We have paper trails here.
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Syrinx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-12-05 01:45 AM
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47. it's still electronic voting
And with recounts I believe they just feed the ballots through electronic tabulators again. I don't remember there being a full, visual-inspection recount of any major race. But perhaps I forgot one or more.
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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-11-05 03:48 PM
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13. Who needs China we have it in Alabama!!!
Cheap Labor here it comes!!!
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-11-05 04:00 PM
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18. It'll take care of armed forces recruitment shortfalls in a few years too
Easy to buy what the recruiters peddle when you are looking for a roof over your head and regular meals. Being a young person today has got to be pretty scary.
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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-11-05 04:01 PM
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20. Make sure these people vote in the next election. And are taught
Edited on Fri Mar-11-05 04:02 PM by applegrove
how Bush is just our for the elites. How patriotism & wedge issues are only to get Repukes elected and have nothing to do with how they legislate: as exampled by the lack of legislation on wedge issues now that Bush has both Houses & the Judiciary.

Repeat the message that patriotism is just used to get the vote of people who do not benefit from Bush policies.
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Cocoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-11-05 04:01 PM
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21. these kids can always become soldiers
new openings every day.
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progressivebydesign Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-11-05 04:17 PM
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25. And Alabama voted overwhelmingly for whom?????
Idiots. (sorry, they're just idiots) What other excuse is there for voting that way in those places?
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Jamison Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-11-05 04:19 PM
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27. Their parents are just not financially responsible!
*(sarcastic use of freeper term)*
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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-11-05 07:07 PM
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37. Ahhhh, feel the "progressive" love!
See my post above about the problem with declaring that "they" did something. I know that very broad brushes are DU's most popular fashion accessory, but I expect more from people who proclaim their yummy progressive goodness every chance they get.
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-12-05 06:00 PM
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81. LOL!!! Nice one! :-)
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-11-05 04:58 PM
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28. 10 Commandment Ex-AL Supreme Court Judge is going to run for Gov.
Blue states are subsidizing this state which went 67% to Bush in 2004. Also, if you're poor, family planning is preferable to bringing alot of kids that you can't afford into the world, IMO. Yes, I'm socially liberal but that doesn't mean I don't support responsible use of birth control.
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triguy46 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-11-05 05:32 PM
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29. The key word here is 'public'
due to flight from public schools in the south, public schools will only continue to be left with the poor, disabled, disenfranchised, challenged, in short any student who is not white, middle to upper class. The deck is stacked in any kind of comparision.

There seems to be two points: First, poverty continues to be a signifcant issue in the US, and we should not expect that to change by slashing services to the neediest; Second, we are moving to a UK model of education, in which the wealthy buy out of the national (state) system.

This is consistent with the ongoing disabling of our national infrastructure by the repukes.
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ticapnews Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-11-05 05:50 PM
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30. Cannon fodder doesn't need an education anyway.
The obvious answer is for the kids to drop out of school and get a job at the local factory. If the factory has closed, they can manufacture some Big Macs. If they are too young they can work out in the fields at a nearby agribusiness. Then they can enlist on their 18th birthday and head to the desert.

Of course, these kids will grow up to vote Republican because the cause of all their problems is the Hollywood elite and the gays in New York City... :eyes:

"Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. We didn't pass it to our children in the bloodstream. It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them to do the same, or one day we will spend our sunset years telling our children and our children's children what it was once like in the United States where men were free."

Little did Reagan know little Georgie would make it happen...
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BlueManDude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-11-05 05:55 PM
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31. they'll grow up, be distracted by gays, flags etc and vote GOP.
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Eloriel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-11-05 08:08 PM
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38. I hope there's a special place in hell -- a really HOT place in hell
reserved for all the politicians and "public servants" who have conspired over the years, whether they knew it or not, to make this the current reality.

Count me among those who consider childhood poverty to be societal child abuse.
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BamaBecky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-12-05 04:17 PM
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68. Amen...n/t
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indepat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-11-05 08:27 PM
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40. Is Alabama a Red or Blue State? Has poverty gotten worse these last four
year? Will poverty get worse these next four year? Will Alabama nonetheless be a Red state in 2008?
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kodi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-11-05 08:33 PM
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41. Two Americas indeed.
This is a concerted effort to maintain an underclass for the purpose of economic control by an educated elite.
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sonicx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-11-05 09:47 PM
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44. Oh, and just recently their legislature approved a gay marriage ban...
Nice to see they have the right priorities.
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solinvictus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-11-05 10:32 PM
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45. This isn't all a Republican problem..
There are some pretty damned corrupt state and local politicians with a (D) after their name as well. It's a problem of misguided priorities and grandstanding. The racial divide still exists here economically and politically with both sides exploiting it to the detriment of everyone else. The Black Belt was represented by long-time congressman Earl Hilliard. Hilliard, who served either 4 or 5 terms, never did a damned thing for his constituency. He was too busy shuffling businesses among relatives to avoid taxes or making idiotic public releases about how a visit to Libya prevented WW3. Hilliard used his position for one thing: Earl Hilliard. Here's my generalization about politicians of any stripe: if you elect a representative and, at time for the next election cycle, you have the same problems, it's time to show them the door.

Riley has tried to fight the good fight for public schools, but the powers that be organize the Freeper types against his efforts. I've been surprised by his concern for elementary and higher education.
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Syrinx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-12-05 01:53 AM
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49. I would like to associate myself with your comments there
I hope you don't mind. :)
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solinvictus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-12-05 06:59 PM
Response to Reply #49
85. Not a bit!
We've got corrupt bastards of various political stripes here.
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ausiedownunderground Donating Member (429 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-12-05 07:37 AM
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51. MADE IN ALABAMA!!!!!! LOL
If a product sold outside of America had Made in Alabama on its label it would not be bought. This state along with Texas,Mississippi (we can't even spell this state),Georgia (and we know CNN and Coke are based there)and Louisiana are so connected to The Smirking Chimp and the Rethuglican party in the world's mind, that it would be absolute "suicide" to put their name on any product sold abroad. Just look at Coke's overseas figures lately!!!!!
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bamademo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-12-05 08:38 AM
Response to Reply #51
53. Tell that to the Astronauts that went to the moon
Where do you think the Saturn V rocket was designed?

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Conservativesux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-12-05 09:25 AM
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57. By ex-patriot German scientists, where else ?
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bamademo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-12-05 10:12 AM
Response to Reply #57
62. And "slack jawed local yokels"...
...which included my father.

I'm sitting here in my trailer, wearing a tube top, drinking a bud, with a Marlboro hanging out of my mouth. My computer is mule powered.
I have to go out and feed the coon dogs soon.

The movies, "Forrest Gump" and "Sweet Home Alabama" do not accurately portray the people of Alabama so can we *PLEASE* stop the South bashing with the particular emphasis on my poor beleaguered state?
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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-12-05 10:15 AM
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63. I'm just pleased and surprised to learn that
"ex-patriot" German scientists are a place. It's an amazing world we live in, isn't it?
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Conservativesux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-12-05 03:56 PM
Response to Reply #62
64. I wasnt bashing the South, just making an observation on rocket science.
Edited on Sat Mar-12-05 04:00 PM by Conservativesux
If it were not for German rocket technology the Saturn V wouldnt have been made in Alabama or anywhere in that time frame.
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-12-05 05:57 PM
Response to Reply #64
79. Right. Whatever you say. We know bashing when we see it....
...it's too bad that so much of it comes from our fellow DUers.

Thanks a pants-load, "buddy".
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Conservativesux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-12-05 10:45 PM
Response to Reply #79
96. My, my arent we a little touchy? Guess I must have hit a nerve :)
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-13-05 12:42 PM
Response to Reply #96
117. And why do you think that is? You folks are constantly bashing...
...your DU allies that live in the South by broad sweeping statements that lump us in with the rightwing Republicans and their blue-dog Democrat allies. You keep harping about uniting against Herr Busch and his rightwing minions, and then turn around and slam the DUers that live in the South. If your opinion is indicative of the attitudes of most Democrats that live elsewhere in the country, then I really don't want any part of that.

"Hit a nerve"??? You and about twenty other posters who pull this crap just about every day of the week.
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BamaBecky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-12-05 04:14 PM
Response to Reply #62
67. lol...lol...lol...n/t
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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-12-05 08:52 AM
Response to Reply #51
54. It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool...
than to speak up and remove all doubt.
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-12-05 06:15 PM
Response to Reply #51
84. Are you really an Aussie? If so, maybe you can explain why YOUR....
...government is cooperating with the US by sending troops to Iraq? Is it because all Aussies are descendants of criminals shipped from England?
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Syrinx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-13-05 02:02 AM
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106. of course not, he can't even spell "aussie" in his own handle n/t
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-13-05 12:45 PM
Response to Reply #106
118. Spelling skills are not necessarily a qualification for inclusion in....
...any group or faction are they? I bet Herr Busch has trouble with writing his own name, but he's still accepted as the rightwing's political point-man.
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-12-05 08:10 PM
Response to Reply #51
89. You won't see the day, All the stuff that used to be made in Alabama
is now made in China, before that, is was made in Mexico.
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solinvictus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-12-05 11:06 PM
Response to Reply #51
97. Made in Alabama...
Hmmmm...let's see, we make automobiles for Daimler/Benz including the M-Class, we have a new Hyundai plant outside Montgomery which makes the Sonata, which is a Consumer Reports Best Buy. We also make the Honda mini-vans and SUV's as well. In Huntsville, near the Marshall Space Center, Boeing manufactures various components for defense and aerospace use.
Besides that, here in the slack jawed Yokelville of Birmingham, we have the University of Alabama at Birmingham which is the second largest research facility for HIV/AIDS in the United States.

Yep, that's us, a bunch of inbred troglodytes.
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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-12-05 11:27 PM
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99. Thanks for educating one of our benighted brethren
and doing it so politely.

It's always amazing to see how many "enlightened progressives" think that The Dukes of Hazzard was a documentary.
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hippiechick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-12-05 08:56 AM
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56. ... and yet their parents vote Republican ...
... time, and time again.

:shrug:
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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-12-05 09:34 AM
Response to Reply #56
58. All of "them"? Bush got 100% of "their" votes?
Edited on Sat Mar-12-05 09:35 AM by QC
That's amazing!

Or could it be that the poorest people in Alabama, and quite a few others, did in fact vote for Kerry, even though he made no effort whatsoever in that state? Now I know that logic and facts are no longer very welcome at DU and that broad-brush denunciations and endless repetition of conventional wisdom are what now count as shrewd political analysis here, but let's take a look at that electoral map:

http://uselectionatlas.org/USPRESIDENT/state.php?year=2...

See that band of Democratic counties running from one side of the state to the other? That's the "Black Belt," where the poorest Alabamians live. Golly, it looks like "their" parents didn't all vote for Bush after all.

And then, if we really want to get into those nasty, useless facts, we can consider that despite the GOP's popularity in Alabama, we still hold both houses of the state legislature there. This would tend to indicate that quite a few people in Alabama are voting Democratic at least sometimes. That raises the question of why people like state and local Democrats a lot but don't have much use for the national candidates. Unfortunately, getting into why that is so might be complicated and even a bit uncomfortable, so let's just continue to write off the whole place as a bunch of rubes and lunatics. It's easier that way and also gives us another opportunity to strut and preen and declare our wondrous superiority to someone, which is always fun.
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hippiechick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-12-05 09:42 AM
Response to Reply #58
59. um, yeah ... whatever
:eyes:
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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-12-05 09:52 AM
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60. You're right.
People in "red states" are all members of apocalyptic cults and nightrider groups and too dumb to know their own good or for enlightened, loving progressives like us to bother with them. It's not like we need their votes or anything. They deserve their misfortunes. End of story.

I'm sorry for trying to drag facts into the discussion. I just don't know what came over me.
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-12-05 06:04 PM
Response to Reply #59
82. An IQ test would be completely wasted on you. Keep your....
...South-bashing to yourself or take it to boards that will appreciate it that kind of unreasoning hatred.
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solinvictus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-13-05 12:45 AM
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102. Alabama, like most of the nation, is a purple state...
This entire "Red State" shit is reminiscent of Lenin's adoption of the name "bolshevik" for his wing of the CCCP as he wanted to convey the impression that they were the majority rather than minority. Democrats have no trouble controlling the state house and we have a governor who talks like a Republican but legislates like a Democrat. Even my former congressman, Spencer Bachus, is about as moderate a Republican as you can ask for and tends to vote the way I would in his place.
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AnnInLa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-12-05 09:57 AM
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61. Congress May Cut Food Aid, Not Farm Aid

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=512&nci...

The president wants to lower the maximum subsidies that can be collected each year by any one farm operation from $360,000 to $250,000. He also asked Congress to cut by 5 percent all farm payments, and he wants to close loopholes that enable some growers to annually collect millions of dollars in subsidies.

Instead, Republican committee chairmen are looking to carve savings from nutrition and land conservation programs that are also run by the Agriculture Department. The government is projected to spend $52 billion this year on nutrition programs like food stamps, school lunches and special aid to low-income pregnant women and children. Farm subsidies will total less than half that, $24 billion.

Senate Agriculture Committee Chairman Saxby Chambliss, R-Ga., said the $36 billion food stamp program is a good place to look for savings.

"There's not the waste, fraud and abuse in food stamps that we used to see. ... That number is down to a little over 6 percent now," he said. "But there is a way, just by utilizing the president's numbers, that we can come up with a significant number there."

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bamacrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-12-05 04:17 PM
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69. I was in the minority in the Alabama school system,
I believe it's been over 50 percent since i was in elementary. so about 10 years. i remember a large number of people in my classes that recieved the free lunches, few recieved reduced, for they could not afford even those. At my public high school lunch was only 2 dollars.
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frustrated_lefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-12-05 04:21 PM
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70. Wayyyyy red state, screw 'em.
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drdon326 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-12-05 04:36 PM
Response to Reply #70
71. Juuuuuuust lovely.
.
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-12-05 06:07 PM
Response to Reply #70
83. So, what frustrates you, lefty? Is it your inability to use....
...basic critical thinking skills prior to posting on DU?

Hey...you're not alone! Your posts frustrate us, too!
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frustrated_lefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-12-05 09:34 PM
Response to Reply #83
93. What frustrates me
is a population which votes against its own self interest. The population of Alabama is right at the forefront there, just behind Mississippi and neck and neck with Georgia. I did my undergrad in Tuscaloosa. There are some very nice people there, genuinely kind and considerate people who would give you the shirt off their backs.

My ire is raised by the bozoes who don't recognize their self interest. My ire is raised by racist suns a'bitches. I never met anyone I would truly consider a racist until I moved to Alabama. Sexist too. A frat doped up a girl, gang raped her and put her naked body in their trophy case to be viewed by all passerbys.

I hope you're commenting on my basic critical thinking skills after living in the South, the East and West coasts, and in the North as I have. Otherwise, you sound like a pompous ass.
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-13-05 01:20 PM
Response to Reply #93
119. I've lived in Alabama since 1990, and I never once heard of the.....
...frat incident that you included in your post. Something like that would have hit the news like a ton of bricks and gone national a split-second later. Additionally, had your story have taken place prior to 1990, the same guidelines apply...when did the event take place and why did it not appear in any of the national print and television media outlets?

Just so you know, I've lived in, or travelled through, all 48 states in the continental US. I've seen the equivalent, or worse, racist and sexist attitudes in every single region in the country outside the South, including the military with whom I served for 5 years. I found some of the worst pockets of racist attitudes outside of the South in the eastern part of the state of Washington, the northern half of Oregon, Montana, the panhandle of the state of Idaho, parts of Wyoming, Indianapolis, Detroit, Chicago, Cleveland, St. Louis, Baltimore, the southern precincts of Boston, Salt Lake City, San Diego, Philadelphia, parts of New York City, and quite a few other places too numerous to mention for the purposes of this post.

My ire is raised by posters that insist on lumping everyone that lives in the South under one broad umbrella. Posters like you, for instance. Posters that seem completely incapable of understanding that racist and sexist attitudes exist in every single location in the country. If you've lived in all of the regions that you claim that you have, you would understand what I'm posting.

I don't believe you're telling the truth, Lefty. I think you're resorting to your previous tactic of trying to make everyone in the South look bad because of the criminal actions of a few, and the voting tendencies of the Southern majority. Folks like you are the reason that the rightwing Republican and conservative Democratic South continues to vote like they have for quite some time. As long as people like you continue to bash the South as if it were one monolithic entity, the longer we will all have to deal with the rule of the rightwing of the GOP. In short, you, and others like you, are divisive, insulting, and demeaning in your attitude toward your fellow DUers that live in the South.
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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-12-05 07:30 PM
Response to Reply #70
86. Sorry, but if you're a "lefty" I'm Carol Channing.
Real Leftists don't hate the poor.
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frustrated_lefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-12-05 09:36 PM
Response to Reply #86
94. Where did I even suggest "hating the poor?"
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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-12-05 10:07 PM
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95. Your contempt speaks for itself.
I also find it frustrating to see people voting against their own interests, so I know how you feel. It's a constant struggle not to give into the freeperish attitude of "fuck 'em." When you live in a place that's full of poor people but still went to Bush by more than a 2:1 margin, as I do, it's hard not to gloat at news stories like this one.

But, as I've pointed out several times in this thread, it's wrong. The poorest people in Alabama are Democrats and they voted for Kerry. My mother and father in Alabama voted proudly for Kerry. There's a lot of Democrats in "red states" like Alabama, and writing them off simply so that we can have the pleasure of saying "I told you so" is contrary to what we stand for as progressives and politically counterproductive besides. We need every vote we can get, and dismissing fellow Democrats simply because they live in states where they're in the minority is just dumb.
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frustrated_lefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-13-05 03:32 AM
Response to Reply #95
109. Well, damn
you say shit like that and you get a thoughtful response. :( I know there are good people in Alabama, and I currently reside in Louisiana. There are good people here, too.

I'm not sure I can explain my rage, but I assure you it is not simply for the pleasure of saying "I told you so." Believe it or not, I really am noy that petty. What makes me sad is that when I picture America, I see that photoshop image of "Jesusland."


What can I say? I want my fellow Americans to experience a better life. Many of them don't seem to want that for themselves.

My response is not a gleeful "I told you so." It's a "god, why are you doing this to yourselves?"

But, hey, I'm an idiot.
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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-13-05 05:04 AM
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111. The "Jesusland" meme is itself part of the problem.
In a country where over 90% of voters claim to be religious and over 80% claim to be Christian, we are busy denouncing "Jesusland."

Could anyone ever come up with anything else so profoundly stupid?

We might as well call up Rove and ask him how we can help him out. It's his wet dream--Democrats willingly alienating themselves from 80% of the electorate and gratifying the fundamentalists' desire for persecution and thus strengthening their identification with the GOP.

I tell you, the GOP coudln't get that kind of help for a million bucks, and here we are giving it away for free.

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MIScott87 Donating Member (138 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-12-05 05:33 PM
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73. How could Bush win that state, then?
??????????
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Tweed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-12-05 05:58 PM
Response to Reply #73
80. Private schools, the other 49% of schools that are well funded
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-13-05 01:34 PM
Response to Reply #73
121. Because they control the voting machines, use police to intimidate....
...voters, close polling places early while voters are still in line, and change polling places without prior notification.

Riley became governor in his first election for that office because of a last minute, lat-night "discovery" of thousands of votes in a heavily Republican county. His opponent had won the election and had already appeared in public as the winner and was expecting Riley's concession phone call.

Does any of that sound similar to the previous presidential campaign of 2000? By the way, we use optical character readers (OCR) in Alabama...once people vote, the software inside those machines can add up the votes any way that it's programmed to do so. They also control the collection of the cards used by voters to indicate their selections before it's run through those OCR machines.

I doubt seriously that Herr Busch "won" by as large a margin as reported...in fact, he may not have won at all. I waited in the longest lines to vote that I've ever seen in Alabama, and everyone seemed to be talking about Kerry being the next president.

But, hey...it's politically convenient for DUers from other regions to blame the South for the "loss" of the last couple of elections, even though they know how the rightwingers "won" the election.
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Kenergy Donating Member (834 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-12-05 07:44 PM
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87. They got what they voted for...why are they whining? n/t
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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-12-05 07:49 PM
Response to Reply #87
88. Nothing intelligent to add to the discussion, eh?
Well, don't feel bad--it's never stopped anyone else here from posting something absolutely stupid and pointless, so why should it stand in your way? You go, girl!
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katinmn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-12-05 09:25 PM
Response to Reply #88
92. I took it as a sarcastic comment. n/t
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agincourt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-12-05 08:16 PM
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90. The only hope for this nation,
is that todays children and future children work hard to undo this country's direction, since the election of Ronald Reagen.
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Tomee450 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-12-05 09:18 PM
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91. Agreed.
This country has been going downhill since Reagan.
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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-12-05 11:22 PM
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98. Are we through playing round 56,468 of "Let's Pile on the Hayseeds" yet?
Anybody got a trailer joke they haven't gotten to share with us yet? Any incest cracks? Any more pointless, bone-stupid drive-by "fuck 'em they all voted for Bush" posts?

Because if we're finished with all that, this news story heralds some real opportunities for the Democratic Party. The Republican class war is hitting people very hard, not only in Alabama but elsewhere, and lots of once-reliable Republican voters are having doubts.

For example, Bush's Social Security privatization scheme is going over like a turd in a punchbowl in Alabama, where:

1. not a single Republican member of the state's Congressional delegation was willing to stand with him in public when his snake oil show came to Montgomery, and

2. both houses of the state legislature passed resolutions condemning his "reform" agenda.

The new bankruptcy law is going to fall disproportionately on people like the ones so many of us here like to pile on. When you are living on the razor's edge financially, as a few of us here know from firsthand experience, it take something as minor as one trip to the emergency room or your car giving up the ghost to push you over the edge. Now such relatively small misfortunes will be enough to push people into indentured servitude.

Bush is, as Lenin used to say, "heightening the contradictions." The Busheviki are doing our work for us.

Except that, as things stand now, the contradictions don't show up too well, as Democrats have mostly been pushing a "kinder, gentler" version of the same class war that brings such delight to Bush's heart.

However, if we are willing to put forward a genuinely progressive agenda, we can realign this country. That won't be easy, of course: it will mean giving up easy corporate funding, creating our own media machine, and aggressively countering the GOP's propaganda, something our leaders have been shy about doing.

It will also mean, to some degree, changing the culture of the Democratic Party. It will mean abandoning boutique liberalism, for one thing, the notion that working-class voters are stupid and racist and sexist and homophobic and bloodthirsty and, well, just tacky. We have to find leaders among the working class, as we did back in the days when we dominated this country. We need to listen respectfully to the concerns of the people work at Jiffy Lube and WalMart, because they know their own hardships better than any party bureaucrat can.

Likewise, we need to educate these socially conservative voters on how they are being played by Republicans who use cultural issues to get their votes and then, once they are in office, vote to take food out of their kids' mouths.

And, to avoid the usual objections that always come up here, I do not think that appealing to working-class voters means selling out choice, gay & lesbian rights, etc.--but perhaps that's because I don't believe that working-class Americans are the source of all the nation's prejudices. But, in order to avoid the usual drive-by, unsubstantiated objections that always come up when someone has the temerity to suggest that "rednecks" might have legitimate grievances, I will say it here--anyone who will only vote on the basis of prejudice has no home in the Democratic Party.

Big things are happening out here in "red America." What are we going to do? Are we going to sit comfortably at our desks and tell Bush's victims "I told you so" or are we going to catch the ball and run with it?
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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-13-05 12:03 AM
Response to Reply #98
100. So nobody wants to respond to this one?
I can't say I'm surprised.
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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-13-05 12:37 AM
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101. Still no responses....
Surely the "Latt Liberals" can do better than this.... n/t
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Syrinx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-13-05 02:23 AM
Response to Reply #100
107. well I'll respond
But only to say, damn, I wish I said that!

QC, you are a demigod!
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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-13-05 03:07 AM
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108. Thanks, man!
I really appreciate it!
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dameocrat Donating Member (220 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-13-05 05:41 AM
Response to Reply #98
112. You aren't helping matters
!

This is what the majority of republicans in the state voted for and if nobody can't point that out, without getting called a South basher how are we to educate these voters?
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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-13-05 11:09 AM
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113. And you aren't reading very well, are you?
The majority of voters in Alabama--over 60%--did vote for Bush. I've stated that several times in this thread myself. It's a real source of frustration for me, as that's my home state.

My complaint is when people act as though that means there are no Democrats in the state, or when they use it, as people so often do here, as an excuse for yet another hatefest.

Now would you like to comment on the substance of the post, or are you just here to sling straw men around?
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dameocrat Donating Member (220 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-13-05 11:26 AM
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114. Speaking of strawmen
Who acted as if there are no democrats in the state?
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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-13-05 12:16 PM
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116. The whole "fuck 'em they voted for Bush" crowd.
Look around--they're all over DU and really come crawling out of the woodwork like ants whenever there's a news story about some unfortunate happening in a "red state." Mustn't let an opportunity to gloat and declare their exquisite moral purity to pass by, you know.

Again, do you have anything of substance to say or are you only interested in picking nits? If the latter, then you'll just have to amuse yourself--I need to plant my tomatoes today.
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dameocrat Donating Member (220 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-13-05 01:30 PM
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120. Bush voters did vote for that
I don't think people who criticize Bush voters are saying there are no democrats in Alabama.

Maybe we should just not post anything about what the republicans do to poor Alabamians? Would that make you feel we care more about poor people in Alabama? Just ignore their plight?

I think that is the goal of your nitpicks on south bashing. You are more pissed at anyone who criticizes republicans in Alabama than you are at the fucking republicans themselves. How is that remotely sensible?
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-13-05 01:45 PM
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122. Hey...you need to read the rest of the posts in this thread...
...so that you'll gain a real understanding of what's being stated in post after post bashing the South, southern Democrats, and DUers living in the South. This thread isn't about what "republicans do to poor Alabamians", it's about what DUers living outside the South are doing to their fellow DUers living in the South. This is about the demeaning, insulting, and degrading overgeneralizations posted by DUers about other DUers.

If you don't take the time to read the entire thread, then you'll never understand why DUers living in the South are sick and tired of the hostility exhibited by some DU posters living outside of the South.

Until then, nobody's going to take your posts seriously, particularly the part where you claim "you are more pissed at anyone who criticizes republicans in Alabama than you are at the fucking republicans themselves". IMHO, that was an incredibly ignorant comment, and one that indicates quite clearly that you have missed the point entirely.
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candy331 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-13-05 12:09 PM
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115. Calling Condoleeza, your state needs you! Wasn't she born and raised
and went to school in Alabama? Surely such a blight on her home state is cause for concern for such a person who has immediate access to the POTUS ears. Calling Condi!
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Moderator DU Moderator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-13-05 02:14 PM
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124. locking
Discussion has become a flamefest.
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