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nickshepDEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-05 02:20 PM
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Governor Tennesee, Bredesen: Medicaid reflects socialism.
Bredesen: Medicaid reflects socialism

Gov. Phil Bredesen said Tuesday the nation’s Medicaid program shares more with socialism than praticality and needs fundemental reform.

“The way in which Medicaid pays for services has more in common with a socialist economy than the common-sense economic and business principles that do such a good job allocating resources efficiently in other parts of our American life,” the governor said.

His remarks came at a conference in Raleigh, NC, of policymakers studying health care issues.

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WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-05 02:22 PM
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1. Just what we need a prominent democrat attacking medicaid
as socialistic.
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nickshepDEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-05 02:24 PM
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3. Exactly what I was thinking.
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Tempest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-05 02:29 PM
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7. Prominent Democrat?
He doesn't even register at the national level.

Sounds like a member of the DNC.

I can't wait for Dean to take control over the DNC and pull it to the left.

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MountainLaurel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-05 03:07 PM
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20. Didn't he run an HMO
At one point? He was supposed to be my graduation speaker at UT, but couldn't come because of bad weather. I vaguely remembered reading that info in his biography in the commencement program.
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BlueEyedSon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-05 02:22 PM
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2. All insurance (auto, life, home, health) is socialism.
Does this douchebag want to eliminate them too?
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Festivito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-05 03:28 PM
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23. So is government. Democracy is especially close.
Yet we want government here to protect us from socialism? What a buffoon.

And, we fight for democracy for other countries, what a slap in the face to our soldiers.
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-05 02:24 PM
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4. So did the Sermon on the Mount
Edited on Wed Feb-09-05 02:57 PM by tom_paine
NOTE: in the pre-edited post, let me stress I was NOT calling the originator of this post an asshole, but the Bushevik in the article

Cruel, aristocratic indifference towards Imperial Subjects (or "fodder units" as Jeb Bush likes to call the Little People) is coming back in a BIG WAY.
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nickshepDEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-05 02:25 PM
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5. I hope he doesnt have any plans to run for higher office...
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Liberal Veteran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-05 02:26 PM
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6. LibVet: Police and Fire services reflect socialism!
We should privatize both and have them be a "pay as you go" or retainer situation and if you can't pay for police protection and a firefighter service then you shouldn't entitled to their services.....

:eyes:
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DBoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-05 02:32 PM
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9. the Onion once did a fantastic satire
about a libertarian who had to call a public fire department because his house was burning down.
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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-05 02:30 PM
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8. He says "socialism" like that's a bad thing
:grr:
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KurtNYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-05 02:32 PM
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10. Lack of health care reflects amoralism
The basic law of capitalism (which of course is not a religion or theology) is supply and demand. But what is a person's demand for health? What is staying alive worth? Every single cent you can and will lay your hands on. That is completely amoral.
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American Tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-05 02:57 PM
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17. And that is exactly the point of the medical-industrial complex.
Edited on Wed Feb-09-05 03:02 PM by American Tragedy
For almost all goods and services, rising prices cause demand to decline dramatically; at some point, demand is virtually extinguished. Obviously, this inherently forces businesses to rein in prices on their products and compete with one another, all to the benefit of the consumer.

Although the capitalist model is almost always the best mechanism to deter price gouging, it cannot save mortally desperate people from being exploited. When a pharmaceutical company has a patented drug, effectively a monopoly, that can save thousands of people from dying, at what point does the line fall for that product? Where's the invisible hand?

This is why more than half of all declarations of personal bankruptcy are on the grounds of medical expenses. For things like this, there has to be a better way. The government has long been forced to recognize that institutions that serve the public interest and aren't swayed by the conventional capitalist model are different. I find it disturbing that a Democratic governor is struggling with that.
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stepnw1f Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-05 02:33 PM
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11. Privatizing Government Programs=Fascism
Looks like a Nazi, acts like a Nazi,....
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two gun sid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-05 02:35 PM
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12. I respectfully request the Governor to blow me.
I am sick and fuckin' tired of these shitsacks using "socialism" to scare people.
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American Tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-05 02:36 PM
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13. Actually, the military is the most socialized institution in America
Why don't we privatize national defense? Those free-loading commie soldiers!
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Triana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-05 02:41 PM
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14. Oh. Another idiot DINO?
I'm so SICK of hearing Repukes and DINOS say that Social Security and Medicaid is SOCIALISM. It's far from it. These things are basic services that gov't should provide to people who have and can afford less in the way of living expenses and basic care of some sort - a tiny public safety net for the sick, poor, and elderly does not Socialism make.

These people need to inventory their brain cells. They appear to be missing a few.

:mad:
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davidinalameda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-05 02:55 PM
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15. another reason to leave the Democratic Party
these are the people that are leading it?

gods help us all

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Vladimir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-05 02:57 PM
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16. Socialism is not a dirty word goddamnit! n/t
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Massachusetts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-05 02:59 PM
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18. Socialism????
What percentage of the american workers are employed by State and Federal Govt.?
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cosmicdot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-05 03:06 PM
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19. his email address
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4_TN_TITANS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-05 03:13 PM
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21. For what it's worth...
Bredesen knows the subject, he made millions managing healthcare providers. He even forfeited his salary as governor of TN to use in other areas. I was thinking that I'd like to see him run in 2008 as a Democrat who could secure red-states, but now I'm wondering....
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Southpaw Bookworm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-05 04:29 PM
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25. That's what I thought n/t
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Blue_Tires Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-05 03:21 PM
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22. ladies, gentlemen, and the transgendered:
I present to you the future of the Democratic Party
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Wabbajack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-05 03:54 PM
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24. This jerk
is one of the republicans favorite "Democrats". Who can we run against him in the primary?
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