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Purveyor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 12:58 PM
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Islamic Web Site Claims U.S. Soldier Captured, Threat To Behead Him
Edited on Tue Feb-01-05 01:40 PM by Purveyor
(02-01) 09:40 PST BAGHDAD, Iraq (AP) --

Iraqi militants claimed in a Web statement Tuesday to have taken an American soldier hostage and threatened to behead him in 72 hours unless the Americans release Iraqi prisoners.

The posting, on a Web site that frequently carried militants' statements, included a photo of what appeared to be an American soldier in desert fatigues seated with his hands tied behind his back. A gun barrel was pointed at his head, and he is seated in front of a black banner emblazoned with the Islamic profession of faith, "There is no god but God and Muhammad is His prophet."

<SNIP>

"Our mujahadeen heroes of Iraq's Jihadi Battalion were able to capture American military man John Adam after killing a number of his comrades and capturing the rest," said the statement, signed by the "Mujahedeen Brigades."

"God willing, we will behead him if our female and male prisoners are not released from U.S. prisons within the maximum period of 72 hours from the time this statement has been released," the statement said.

<SNIP>

Link to AP article
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GiovanniC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 12:59 PM
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1. Swell
n/t
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tk2kewl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 01:02 PM
Response to Reply #1
3. according to *bush if he is beheaded it will be "worth it"
Edited on Tue Feb-01-05 01:02 PM by tk2kewl
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qanda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 01:19 PM
Response to Reply #3
18. Yeah, that idiot William Kristol was on C-SPAN this morning
Talking about how the 1500 lives of the soldiers became worth it when the Iraqis voted on Sunday. I couldn't believe my ears. I was thinking, that's not for him to decide!!!!!!!
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tk2kewl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 01:29 PM
Response to Reply #18
20. I am guessing that some would be upset if I said it would be worth it
if Kristol died. So I wont be so presumptuous.
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qanda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 01:47 PM
Response to Reply #20
26. Well, you do have a point.
;)
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psychopomp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 03:01 PM
Response to Reply #1
74. HOAX
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DrWeird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 01:01 PM
Response to Original message
2. The people who called Abu Ghraib a frat prank...
sure as hell shouldn't be upset about this.
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 02:03 PM
Response to Reply #2
39. "BRING EM ON" shouted the AWOL CHIMPANZEE
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 02:27 PM
Response to Reply #39
57. "LETS ROLL" shouted junior - an another head is about too!
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 01:02 PM
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4. Oh, Christ, his poor family....
These guys need to cut this shit out, and the stupid military needs to put chips on these kids, so that they can be tracked, liked stolen cars. Obviously the fucking buddy system isn't working very well.

FYI, your link is dead.
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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 01:08 PM
Response to Reply #4
11. I don't think chips would be a good tactic
If an opposing force broke the code or whatever, it would be like wearing a beacon.
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ECH1969 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 01:12 PM
Response to Reply #11
13. Yes, if we are fighting Russia or some modern nation
However, we are fighting in a third world dump that wouldn't have the technology to do something like that.
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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 01:17 PM
Response to Reply #13
17. You just never know
And you just never know who might be helping from the sidelines.
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DulceDecorum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 01:41 PM
Response to Reply #13
25. That "third world dump" with the solid gold faucets
has the Pentagon crying UNCLE.

When they war-gamed the Iraq war,
Paul van Riper (who played Saddam)
won.
he kicked ass so bad that they had to start again
and then they told him point blank that he was supposed to lose
and he had better do so.

Never underestimate your enemy.
Those chips would are designed specifically
(for lost pets and lost children)
to guide people to your location .
A vet could probably blow your entire mission.
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DS1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 01:49 PM
Response to Reply #25
28. Chips for pets and children aren't beacons
They are merely identifiers.
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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 01:54 PM
Response to Reply #28
31. The implication of the first post was more of a beacon
i.e. "track them like a stolen car" was the phrase, more or less.
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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 03:44 PM
Response to Reply #4
94. So US murdering them with white phosphorous and naplam and 500 ton bombs
is A-OK, huh??

You need to desparately re-adjust your ethics!

Screw you if your idea of ethics is that if what happens to US military is the only thing that counts after what we have done to innocent Iraqis, you are out of your selfish little mind!
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OKNancy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 01:02 PM
Response to Original message
5. I'm not getting anything on the link provided
???
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MaineDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 01:04 PM
Response to Reply #5
6. Neither am I (nt)
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HereSince1628 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 01:04 PM
Response to Reply #5
7. Me neither...
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ckramer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 01:06 PM
Response to Reply #5
8. Check this ap link out
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Eagle_Eye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 01:06 PM
Response to Original message
9. Is this what *bush ment by 'Bring 'em on?' n/t
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Newsjock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 01:07 PM
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10. Specifically, which website? Demand an answer
Demand that the media start including the names of these websites. Let us check their domain registration.

Unless, of course, there's a reason why we shouldn't know such things.
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DulceDecorum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 01:14 PM
Response to Reply #10
15. The Nick Berg video website tracked back
Edited on Tue Feb-01-05 01:25 PM by DulceDecorum
to a site owned by a company that bears the Royal Arms.
The Royal Arms is a seal of approval given by
Her Majesty, Queen Elizabeth,
and it is NOT easy to come by.

Having the Royal Arms means that the company is
On Her Majesty's Service.
It is a big deal.
And so was the Nick Berg beheading video.

On Edit:
Apparently, the website that is carrying this latest video
is known as www.ansarnet.ws
This type of website is invariably linked to rightwinguts.

DEMAND for ANSWERS:
Why are ISPs forced to carry terrorist web sites?
Islamist Terrorism in the USA -- on the Internet hosted by American ISPs.
ISPs are being forced by someone in the U.S. Government to carry websites devoted to terrorism. These organizations have been officially designated by the U.S. Dept. of Justice as terrorist. They have websites hosted by American ISPs, which collect money for terror and recruit in direct violation of U.S. laws!
http://www.thepetitionsite.com/takeaction/530866253
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DulceDecorum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 01:08 PM
Response to Original message
12. Try this link
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Newsjock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 01:12 PM
Response to Reply #12
14. Progress!
Thanks for the links.
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Rose Siding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 01:16 PM
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16. If they "captured the rest", why single out John Adam?
Our mujahedeen heroes of Iraqs Jihadi Battalion were able to capture American military man John Adam after killing a number of his comrades and capturing the rest, said the statement, signed by the Mujahedeen Brigades.

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DulceDecorum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 01:31 PM
Response to Reply #16
22. I dunno, but they seem to like beheading people on weekends
and other slow news days.
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 01:29 PM
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19. Many Iraqi prisoners are just kids who were out after curfew
or otherwise were in the wrong place at the wrong time. In other words, there is no security need to hold many of those Iraqi prisoners. I condemn the threats to behead this soldier, as that is not legitimate under the Geneva Conventions*. Prisoner exchange is a normal part of warfare. We should offer up several non-violent Iraqi prisoners in exchange for this soldier's release.

*Please do not lecture me about our abuses and torture of prisoners. I am aware of it, and all one has to do is search the archives where you will find dozens of posts of mine condemning the soldiers who do it and the commanding officers and civilians who authorized it. Torture and death threats are wrong, no matter who does it. To say that the other side does not have to follow the rules just because we don't is akin to two children in a schoolyard being brought in to the principal's office, arguing over "who started it".
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Career Prole Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 01:30 PM
Response to Original message
21. Picture up accompanying AP story on yahoonews...
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Tinoire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 01:39 PM
Response to Reply #21
24. Whew. Take a deep breath. Say a prayer. Many prayers
Edited on Tue Feb-01-05 01:42 PM by Tinoire
And it's a brother too! Probably some poor kid from a poor family who never heard squat about Free-trade or PNAC. God-damn I hate this system!


The worst is. Does his family even know yet? Or is this how they're going to find out? From the internet. My God.
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Az_lefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 02:03 PM
Response to Reply #21
38. Lets see the Chimps new Iraqi president solve this!!!
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ZR2 Donating Member (345 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 03:17 PM
Response to Reply #21
79. Look familiar ?
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Career Prole Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 03:28 PM
Response to Reply #79
84. I've never beheaded one of those!
Blew a couple up, maybe.
Damn! How f'ed up is that?! :wtf:
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Tinoire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 01:34 PM
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23. No NO NO NO NO!
Damn it. Damn it. Damn it! They were going to heap flowers on us huh?

This is just madness.

Tit for tat. Tit for tat. And it will never end now.

My God. That poor soldier. His family.
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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 01:48 PM
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27. I don't think Bush would mind a soldier beheading
Politically speaking anyway. Regardless of what his personal reactions were, the Bush administration would probably see it as a political plus at this time (i.e. SOTU). It would make it very difficult to take an anti-war, or pro-withdrawal position, while the rally round the flag effect was intense. Kennedy's call for a withdrawal timetable could be put slapped down with appeals to avenge this soldier.

From the same point of view, it doesn't seem politically smart from the Iraqi resistance point of view. But, with everything the Bush administration has done to Iraq, it may be that they too are responding more to emotion than political calculations.

As always, the possibility of a "black op" can't be excluded, although these thoughts tend to be strictly in the realm of speculation.
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DS1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 01:53 PM
Response to Reply #27
30. Not after the elections, a beheading after that would be bad
and paints the insurgents as fighters without cause, since they were supposed to be fighting against the elections beforehand. So what argument does that send when they cut some kid's head off now?
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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 01:57 PM
Response to Reply #30
34. I am not sure which way you mean this.
I take it you mean it would be bad for the Iraqi resistance, not the Bush administration (from a western standpoint, who knows how anything plays in Iraq itself). I tend to agree, if that is the case.
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DS1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 01:58 PM
Response to Reply #34
35. Bad for both, moreso Bush
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Igel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 02:42 PM
Response to Reply #30
63. Same argument that having the "freedom fighters"
impose medieval punishments did before.
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DrWeird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 01:54 PM
Response to Reply #27
32. Oh, I don't know.
I think it'd certainly curtail his recent bump.
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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 02:00 PM
Response to Reply #32
36. That could be, too.
It is hard to predict the reaction of the public. The committed on either the pro-invasion or anti-invasion side could probably be expected to harden their positions, it is the middle that is hard to predict. I think the short term effect would be more "rally round the flag", but the mid to longer term effect might be "what are we still doing there anyway?".
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 01:50 PM
Response to Original message
29. It's never going to stop
is it? people will continue to die and we are helpless to stop it.

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TNOE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 01:56 PM
Response to Original message
33. I don't know
but the face on that soldier does not strike me as real - for some reason. 1st reacion - so please don't jump all over me. Just saying.... sometimes first reactions turn into something.

Learned today one of my girlfriend's sons died in Iraq on Sunday - James Miller, IV. 22. She died 6 years ago of breast cancer - so at least I guess they are together now. Glad he died suddenly instead of put through this kind of hell. RIP Mr. Miller.
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Cocoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 02:11 PM
Response to Reply #33
45. me too
who can tell from a picture like that, but it looks weird to me too.
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question everything Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 02:36 PM
Response to Reply #33
60. My deepest condolences. Each name is precious. We have to bring them
back home.
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TNOE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 02:57 PM
Response to Reply #60
72. Thank you
for the nice sentiment. I appreciate that. I'm glad this story turned out to be a fake. I could not imagine what a family would go through if this were true - although I guess it has been - Matt Maulpin's family. That must surely be hell.
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Bundy02 Donating Member (1 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 02:01 PM
Response to Original message
37. How can anyone wish him ill?
Depsite objections to the war, I fail to see how wishing this soldier ill will (as some here already have) is acceptable....
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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 02:06 PM
Response to Reply #37
40. Nobody has wished him ill.
I don't know what you are basing your claim on. You should re-read the thread.
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TNOE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 02:08 PM
Response to Reply #37
42. You obviously can't read
I've read through this whole thread and NOT ONE person has wished this soldier ill will. Read more thoroughly before you make a bad judgment call.
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INDIA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 02:11 PM
Response to Reply #37
44. Fake
I know I'm a first time poster and everyone is going to think I'm a disruptor, I'm actually a very frequent visitor to this site and I'm finally posting today because I think I'm the only one on this thread, possibly in all of DU who thinks that that is one seriously FAKE SOLDIER.
Seriously, it looks like a mannequin, or even an Arab with face paint on. Am I the only one who sees that? Also the site only showed an image, not video like these militants normally show that would at least indicate some kind of movement, not to mention that the flak jacket is unlike anything I've ever seen on a U.S. soldier.
Well, go ahead, let me have it.
By the way, lets all pray that I'm right.
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ursacorwin Donating Member (528 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 02:20 PM
Response to Reply #44
52. you're not alone
over at the atrios message boards someone did a "whois" track and found the site to be located in dallas.

but it's a good distraction from the AbuGonzales hearings, no?
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Ezlivin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 02:24 PM
Response to Reply #44
55. Reminded me of chiaroscuro
Something about his face does not look quite right.

Welcome to DU!
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DrWeird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 02:17 PM
Response to Reply #37
49. Link?
Or do you want to take that back and apologize.
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 03:02 PM
Response to Reply #37
76. Tell you what, Mr. 1 post
You find a post from a DUer that explicitly advocates for him to be harmed, link it, and I will condemn it.
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Tinoire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 03:13 PM
Response to Reply #37
77. Bullshit. Nothing but a troublemaker n/t
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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 03:51 PM
Response to Reply #37
98. That's not the point. The point is that this is what you can expect when
you launch an unprovoked invasion of a disarmed, UN compliant country based on lies. This is what you should expect when you drop 500 ton bombs, incinerate people with napalm and white phosphorous and murder 100,000 civilians.

Beheadin is far more humane than what we have done to these people.

I refuse to accept the whining about beheadings or suicide bombers. We have done faaaaar worse and we have been far more barbaric.
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pokercat999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 02:07 PM
Response to Original message
41. WAR what is it good for nt
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TNOE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 02:10 PM
Response to Reply #41
43. Absolutely Nothing
but to make the rich richer. Can I get an amen for the rich??
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 02:12 PM
Response to Original message
46. PHOTO-I'm sorry this looks incredibly FAKE to me (WARNING)
I PRAY that I am right. That looks like the head of a doll to me.

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TNOE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 02:14 PM
Response to Reply #46
47. Good then - I'm not alone
was my first reaction - looks fake.
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 02:18 PM
Response to Reply #47
50. It looks like a doll
that body armor doesn't look like anything I have seen and the BDU's don't look like most of the ones I have seen on news coverage.

The face looks very familiar for some reason. I think it is a doll. Again I hope it is.
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Lone_Star_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 02:27 PM
Response to Reply #46
58. I don't think it's a doll
I've been studying the photo on my desktop and it looks to be a person. That doesn't mean it's a soldier, however. We can hope it's a hoax. I know I am.
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Tinoire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 03:19 PM
Response to Reply #46
80. I don't know what to think. Can't look at him
Edited on Tue Feb-01-05 03:22 PM by Tinoire
I was able to watch the Berg video several times but this just kills me.


On edit: IT WAS A DOLL?! What kind of a SICK FUCK did that?
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 02:15 PM
Response to Original message
48. Deleted message
Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.
 
underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 02:19 PM
Response to Reply #48
51. Shut the fuck up
sorry but that is a really stupid thing to say.
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INDIA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 02:21 PM
Response to Reply #48
53. Possibly...
I would even venture to give a seriously far out guess that this picture could have been taken outside of Iraq, outside of the Middle East even, remember the college kids from Cali who staged a beheading and got it posted to a website? My reasoning is that the photographer is careful not to include the hand holding the rifle in the picture, possibly a dead giveaway that this may be a hoax by non-arabs.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 02:23 PM
Response to Reply #53
54. anyone hear what is going on with this horrible problem?
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bluestatedem Donating Member (3 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 02:25 PM
Response to Reply #54
56. Hoax
Hey guys, it's a hoax. Here is the doll.
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Mizmoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 02:39 PM
Response to Reply #56
61. no shit!
I think you're right
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Lone_Star_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 02:44 PM
Response to Reply #61
67. The hair line and skin tone change in the photo, too.
The ear and top of the head look real and then it gets odd...
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 02:40 PM
Response to Reply #56
62. EXCELLENT! Welcome to DU
:hi:
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psychopomp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 02:43 PM
Response to Reply #56
65. Thank goodness
I think you are right, too. Great job!
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 02:44 PM
Response to Reply #56
68. LOL!!
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frictionlessO Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 02:45 PM
Response to Reply #56
69. excellent job!!!!!!!!! Welcome to DU!
Best first post ever!
:hi:
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Az_lefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 02:55 PM
Response to Reply #56
71. Nice work, you can see the same plastic weapon in the photo
someone better call the MSM.
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Tinoire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 03:28 PM
Response to Reply #56
85. Welcome to DU
Very good!! How did you find that?
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Tinoire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 03:33 PM
Response to Reply #56
88. Now who would do such an evil thing?! Time to research quick
Edited on Tue Feb-01-05 03:42 PM by Tinoire
before evidence starts disappearing but damn. I'm at work and can't now.


FREQUENTLY? Sounds like manufacture propaganda to inflame - now what kind of people would want to do such a thing? SO this website frequently carries militants statements? Hmmm. Seems they all warrant a much closer look now...
===

The posting, on a Web site that frequently carried militants' statements, included a photo of what that statement said was an American soldier, (snip)

A gun barrel was pointed at his head, and behind him on the wall is a black banner emblazoned with the Islamic profession of faith, "There is no god but God and Muhammad is His prophet."

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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 03:53 PM
Response to Reply #88
100. Sounds like a GOP tactic to me. Who wins with the propaganda?
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Cooley Hurd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 03:43 PM
Response to Reply #56
93. Free GI Joe!!!
Damn, you terrorists!!! :grr:

:D :D :D :D
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twaddler01 Donating Member (800 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 02:42 PM
Response to Reply #53
64. who knows
Edited on Tue Feb-01-05 02:43 PM by twaddler01
this is all that comes with a bad war...
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Lone_Star_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 02:34 PM
Response to Original message
59. Will someone look at it that has good image software?
I'm not on my good computer, but on the one I'm using it doesn't look like the hair and face match correctly.
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twaddler01 Donating Member (800 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 02:43 PM
Response to Original message
66. Iraqi President: U.S. Troops Should Stay
By MARIAM FAM, Associated Press Writer

BAGHDAD, Iraq - Iraq (news - web sites)'s president said Tuesday it would be "complete nonsense" to ask foreign troops to leave the country now, although some could depart by year's end. Officials began the final vote tally from elections to produce a government to confront the insurgency.

A militant group claimed in a Web statement that it had taken an American soldier hostage and threatened to kill him within 72 hours unless Iraqi prisoners are freed. The Web posting included a photo of a bound man in desert fatigues with an automatic rifle pointed at his head.

The claim's authenticity could not be immediately verified. A U.S. military spokesman in Baghdad, Marine Sgt. Salju K. Thomas, said "we are currently looking into" the claim.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=514&e=1...
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question everything Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 02:53 PM
Response to Original message
70. Can't the military confirm or deny whether a soldier is missing?
Especially by that name and especially if, indeed, a "number of his comrades" were killed?
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Mark D Donating Member (41 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 02:58 PM
Response to Original message
73. YES. It IS a doll.
The "caputured soldier" from the medias coverage:


The actual boxed toy:


The press got snookered on this one big time.
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twaddler01 Donating Member (800 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 03:24 PM
Response to Reply #73
81. Desperate terrorists?
Edited on Tue Feb-01-05 03:25 PM by twaddler01
Geez man, I bet you found this out before the government did....

:bounce:

It's probably a toy gun as well...
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rayofreason Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 03:35 PM
Response to Reply #73
89. Outstanding work!
And someone else on this thread said that a "whois" pointed to a site in Dallas. Hopefully the only damage these guys can do is hack a site.
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Oreo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 03:01 PM
Response to Original message
75. Look at this
I just copied and pasted the 2 images so they're side by side. Nothing fancy at all but it helps to show they're pretty damn similar. Especially the eyes

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tblue37 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 04:00 PM
Response to Reply #75
103. Drudge has a close-up
of the toy head next to the fake picture of the captured soldier. No doubt--they are exactly the same.
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trogdor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 04:09 PM
Response to Reply #103
111. This is worth a click.
I wouldn't usually be recommending Drudge to anybody, but this is a special occasion.
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seriousstan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 03:15 PM
Response to Original message
78. Look at the mortar at the left of the toy soldier. FRAUD ALERT
This is fake.
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ZR2 Donating Member (345 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 03:25 PM
Response to Original message
82. File this one under
Don't believe everything you read on the internet.
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Tinoire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 03:27 PM
Response to Original message
83. Meanwhile, there are already 317 news articles about "John Adam"
Edited on Tue Feb-01-05 03:28 PM by Tinoire

http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&ned=us&ie=UTF-8&q=%22...


The lie is halfway around the world before the truth even has time to get its boots on.
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Oreo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 03:29 PM
Response to Reply #83
87. Amazing...
Edited on Tue Feb-01-05 03:44 PM by Oreo
what would happen if there was a planted news story that could cause harm to everyone. IE... photoshopped image of a guy with a nuke in NYC.
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Tinoire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 03:36 PM
Response to Reply #87
90. 323 stories now and already in Reuters, Melbourne Herald Sun, etc
Edited on Tue Feb-01-05 03:37 PM by Tinoire
DUBAI (Reuters) - A little-known Iraqi insurgent group said on Tuesday it was holding a U.S. soldier and threatened to kill him within 72 hours if Iraqi prisoners were not released, according to an Internet statement.
"Our mujahideen ... have managed to capture the American soldier John Adam after killing a number of his colleagues," said the Mujahideen Squadrons in the undated statement.

It carried a picture appearing to show a U.S. soldier sitting in front of a black banner with a rifle pointed at his head. The authenticity of the claim, which did not say where the man was seized, could not be verified.

"We will cut his throat in 72 hours if our male and female prisoners in the occupation jails are not released," it said.

A group using the same name, Mujahideen Squadrons, last month claimed responsibility for the kidnapping of a Brazilian engineer in Iraq.

(snip)

http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=topNews&s...
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ZR2 Donating Member (345 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 03:29 PM
Response to Original message
86. Rescue mission already planned

Here I come to save the day......
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RobertSeattle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 03:39 PM
Response to Reply #86
91. LOL
I predict many toy parodies of this to come...
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Cooley Hurd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 03:49 PM
Response to Reply #91
96. Free GI Joe - think of his wife:
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ZR2 Donating Member (345 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 03:54 PM
Response to Reply #96
101. OH my, look, Osama has been captured
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Hard Attack Donating Member (264 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 04:03 PM
Response to Reply #86
105. Priceless,,, GW Doll to the Rescue = OMG, I can't stop laughing
Thanks for the laugh!!!
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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 03:41 PM
Response to Original message
92. All's fair. We incinerate them with white phosphorous and napalm,
drop 500 ton bombs on them and then complain about their barbarism for a swift death.
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 03:48 PM
Response to Original message
95. self deleted
Edited on Tue Feb-01-05 03:56 PM by mike_c
Looks like the whole thing was a hoax (?).
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ZR2 Donating Member (345 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 03:50 PM
Response to Reply #95
97. Does the Geneva Convention also cover the beheading
of GI Joe action figures ?
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Cooley Hurd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 04:01 PM
Response to Reply #97
104. UPDATE: U.S. military: No soldier missing in Iraq (CNN)
Edited on Tue Feb-01-05 04:01 PM by Cooley Hurd
http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/meast/02/01/iraq.hostage....

<snip>
The posting, on a Web site that frequently carries militants' statements, included a photo of what that statement said was an American soldier, wearing desert fatigues and seated on a concrete floor with his hands tied behind his back.

But questions were raised about the authenticity of a photo purporting to show a hostage with a gun to his head. The figure in the photo appeared stiff and expressionless.

Liam Cusack, of the toy manufacturer Dragon Models USA, inc., said the image of the soldier portrayed in the photo bore a striking resemblance to a military action figure made by the company.

</snip>
:D I just love shit like this! :D
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twaddler01 Donating Member (800 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 04:05 PM
Response to Reply #104
107. THIS IS TOO FUNNY!
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Oreo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 03:52 PM
Response to Original message
99. They all just caught on
Edited on Tue Feb-01-05 03:54 PM by Oreo
http://www.startribune.com/stories/1762/5216646.html
and
http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/meast/02/01/iraq.hostage....

The posting, on a Web site that frequently carries militants' statements, included a photo of what that statement said was an American soldier, wearing desert fatigues and seated on a concrete floor with his hands tied behind his back.

But questions were raised about the authenticity of a photo purporting to show a hostage with a gun to his head. The figure in the photo appeared stiff and expressionless.

Liam Cusack, of the toy manufacturer Dragon Models USA, inc., said the image of the soldier portrayed in the photo bore a striking resemblance to a military action figure made by the company.
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ga_tatze Donating Member (20 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 03:58 PM
Response to Original message
102. I can see the marches now...
No Dolls for Oil!

Bring the Dolls Home Now!

HEY HEY, HO HO, GI JOE HAS GOT TO GO.



LMAO!!!

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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 04:22 PM
Response to Reply #102
114. And the right would hold pro-Doll marches
Hell those idiots fell for the original reasons for this illegal war without spending a few minutes trying to find out the truth. Suddenly the right (former conservatives now neo-cons whether they know it or not) trust the government with blind obedience. An odd turn in a progressive nation.
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INDIA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 04:04 PM
Response to Original message
106. Let the record show...
That I am smarter than CNN or Drudge, (see post #43) And for everybody else who believed this crap immediately, learn the facts before you start going ape-shit.
It'll make us all look more intelligent in the end.
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twaddler01 Donating Member (800 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 04:06 PM
Response to Reply #106
108. Good job...
Appears DU is smarter than most folks out there. Heh, who would have thought? <sarcasm>
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Stella_Artois Donating Member (838 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 04:45 PM
Response to Reply #108
115. To be fair,
There may be a couple of people wishing they could un post some contributions to this thread.

*dons asbestos underwear*
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Oreo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 04:07 PM
Response to Reply #106
109. I felt the same from the start too - Good test though!
This was a good test for all of us here to stop and think before you take things as the truth just because it came from the media.

Good job on this one everybody!
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deutsey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 04:08 PM
Response to Original message
110. Looks like he was with the elite "Thunderbirds Are GO!" unit
:eyes:
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mordarlar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 04:10 PM
Response to Original message
112. A sacrifice bush is willing to make. Isn't that what he says?
Edited on Tue Feb-01-05 04:23 PM by mordarlar
:puke: :puke: :puke:

I saw the doll and regardless this is what he says about American losses. Messed up all of it.
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goodboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 04:20 PM
Response to Original message
113. Freedom's on the march...I thought this was all going away after the
elections...or after Saddam's capture, or after handover, or after uday and qusay?
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cthrumatrix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 04:49 PM
Response to Original message
116. Web Site Claims GI Captured in Iraq (AP)
Web Site Claims GI Captured in Iraq

11 minutes ago Middle East - AP


By ROBERT H. REID, Associated Press Writer

BAGHDAD, Iraq - Iraqi militants claimed in a Web statement Tuesday to have taken an American soldier hostage and threatened to behead him in 72 hours unless the Americans release Iraqi prisoners.

The posting, on a Web site that frequently carried militants' statements, included a photo of what appeared to be an American soldier in desert fatigues seated with his hands tied behind his back.


A gun barrel was pointed at his head, and he is seated in front of a black banner emblazoned with the Islamic profession of faith, "There is no god but God and Muhammad is His prophet."


A U.S. military spokesman in Baghdad, Marine Sgt. Salju K. Thomas, said he had no information on the claim but "we are currently looking into it."

snip

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=540&nci...
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cthrumatrix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 04:49 PM
Response to Reply #116
117. caution...this cannot be verified..yet
"God willing, we will behead him if our female and male prisoners are not released from U.S. prisons within the maximum period of 72 hours from the time this statement has been released," the statement said.


The claim, carried on the Web site ansarnet.ws, could not be verified.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=540&nci ...
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 04:49 PM
Response to Reply #117
119. The US won't verify it
until he is found somewhere beheaded. Sick...

:(
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 04:49 PM
Response to Reply #119
124. Easy enough to just pop it right back on.
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 04:49 PM
Response to Reply #116
118. gee, and we're in such a good position to complain...
...about violations of the Geneva Conventions for the treatment of POWs.
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bif Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 04:49 PM
Response to Reply #116
120. Dupe. Check a couple posts down.
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Psephos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 04:49 PM
Response to Reply #116
121. Umm, it's a frickin' GI Joe DOLL n/t
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Stella_Artois Donating Member (838 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 04:49 PM
Response to Reply #116
122. OMFG
Please read the story before posting

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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 04:49 PM
Response to Reply #116
123. "Web Site Claims GI (Joe) Captured in Iraq"
The gun is held in mid air by a thumb and index finger - just out of view. Otherwise, a pretty decent model.
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deadparrot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 04:55 PM
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125. But DEMOCRACY has come to Iraq!
Why would something like THIS happen?

Lying lib'rul media...
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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 05:02 PM
Response to Original message
126. It turns out "Team America" was a documentary, after all.
The one done by the Southpark guys.
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Moderator DU Moderator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 05:11 PM
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127. locking
Claims of GI Hostage in Iraq Raises Doubt

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&e=1&u=/ap/2...
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