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Nottingham Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-15-03 05:21 PM
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Powell: 'We are not occupiers' in Iraq
Edited on Mon Sep-15-03 05:26 PM by Nottingham
Powell: 'We are not occupiers' in Iraq
Monday, September 15, 2003 Posted: 0016 GMT ( 8:16 AM HKT)



U.S. soldiers from the 101st Airborne prepare to break into a house during raids in Mosul Sunday.


BAGHDAD, Iraq (CNN) -- U.S. Secretary of State Colin Powell on Sunday said U.S. forces are not occupiers but liberators, shortly after the military said another American soldier had died in an attack on a U.S. convoy.

"We are not occupiers," Powell told a Baghdad news conference. "We have come under a legal term having to do with occupation under international law, but we came as liberators."

"We have liberated a number of countries, and we do not own one square foot of any of those countries, except where we bury our dead," Powell said on his first visit to Baghdad.

The secretary spoke just hours after an improvised explosive device ripped through an 82nd Airborne Division convoy west of Baghdad in Fallujah early Sunday, killing one soldier and wounding three others, according to the Coalition Press Information Center.

more....

http://feeds.bignewsnetwork.com/redir.php?jid=cae52ab82c19f18c

This is the Hillarious quote for the day

Powell told CNN's "Late Edition with Wolf Blitzer" on Sunday that Iraq remains "a little unstable in the central part of the country, but we knew it would be difficult."

:bounce: A little Unstable..... BAAAAWAAAHAAAA!
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CO Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-15-03 05:25 PM
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1. POWELL is "A Little Unstable" .....
The sooner he resigns, the farther away from war crime charges he'll be...........
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-15-03 05:25 PM
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2. Wonder where the earth is located in HIS universe?
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BiggJawn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-15-03 05:25 PM
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3. Hey, I think I'll use that sometime...
"I'm not pissing on your house, I'm engaged in Urea Distribution"

"I didn't seduce your daughter, I edjamcated her..."

Hey....Hasn't he used that "bury our dead" line before?
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HawkerHurricane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-15-03 06:24 PM
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24. He Has
And he should tell it to Mexico, Spain, and a number of Indian Nations, all of whom lost land to the US in wars of 'Liberation'.

Heck, we still own peices of Germany, Japan, Italy...
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-15-03 08:41 PM
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35. Colon Bowel plans a movement to peace in Iraq
Its a good think we are there to help these people plan a flower parade and help the animals at the zoo.
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-15-03 05:27 PM
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4. we are not occupiers.. what a joke
black is white spin might work in the duplicitous mainstream US press, but it's not going to fool anyone who acutally takes the time to look into the situation.

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Myra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-15-03 08:12 PM
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31. Powell
Is a lying sack of shit.
Which makes him perfectly qualified
to work for the Evil Empire.
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-15-03 05:28 PM
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5. "we do not own one square foot of any of those countries,
except where we bury our dead", sniff, and perhaps a military
base or two here and there, and a few trade concessions, and
some of the politicians ...

It's interesting that he trotted that chestnut out again.
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LearnedHand Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-15-03 05:45 PM
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15. ...and oil wells, and...
:puke:
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Malva Zebrina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-15-03 05:28 PM
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6. I am beginning to dislike Powell
more than I dislike Bush. Bush is inherently dumb and to a certain extent, unaware of how his dumb self is cleverly manipulated by someone who is really running the show. Powell, I always thought, was a little smarter. Looks like he is just as dumb. Who is really running this circus?
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LearnedHand Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-15-03 05:46 PM
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16. He's not dumb;
he's a LIAR, just like his pResident! Unfortunately, saying it ain't so is the same thing, apparently, as MAKING it not be so.

Dicho y hecho!
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FlemingsGhost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-15-03 06:13 PM
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22. To view Bush as "inherently dumb" is inherently naive.
Dumb like a fox, methinks.
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-15-03 05:29 PM
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7. Squatters!!!
Call it what you will you lying ass,phoney piece of shit, powell. The US is squatting in Iraq and trying desperatly to rape it of its' natural resources and kill all those terrists (really, the Iraqi defenders). That is the ONLY reason we are there....
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-15-03 07:15 PM
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26. Well, shoot, isn't squatting what it's all about?
Not just the picture that conjures up...

But, hey! We've got squatters in Al Gore's house right this instant! That's what they know how to do best. So why shouldn't they extend that to Iraq?
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Liberal Veteran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-15-03 05:29 PM
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8. We knew it would be difficult....
That's why we set expectations that we would be greeted with flowers and kisses, right?
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-15-03 05:33 PM
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11. Do a little research on the role he played in protecting the higher-ups...
...after the My Lai story broke. Check out the role he played in delaying any help for soldiers with Desert Storm syndrome.

You'll like him a LOT less after you check that out.
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smallprint Donating Member (778 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-15-03 05:39 PM
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13. i just googled "powell" and "my lai"
here's part of one story that came up:

snip

After that cursory investigation, Powell drafted a response on Dec. 13, 1968. He admitted to no pattern of wrongdoing. Powell claimed that U.S. soldiers in Vietnam were taught to treat Vietnamese courteously and respectfully. The Americal troops also had gone through an hour-long course on how to treat prisoners of war under the Geneva Conventions, Powell noted.

"There may be isolated cases of mistreatment of civilians and POWs," Powell wrote in 1968. But "this by no means reflects the general attitude throughout the Division." Indeed, Powell's memo faulted Glen for not complaining earlier and for failing to be more specific in his letter.

Powell reported back exactly what his superiors wanted to hear. "In direct refutation of this portrayal," Powell concluded, "is the fact that relations between Americal soldiers and the Vietnamese people are excellent."

http://www.consortiumnews.com/archive/colin3.html

ha! almost as good as the relations between American soldiers and the Iraqi people!
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CShine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-15-03 05:32 PM
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9. Funny how we haven't been able to liberate any WMD's. **
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-15-03 05:32 PM
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10. Dear Colin, you're full of shit
My soldier hubby knows you're FOS, too. He calls it what it is...an occupation. Making you just another liar (not that you've ever been anything else)...
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-15-03 05:37 PM
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12. What a grotesque lie
What a Stalinist-Orwellian abosulte and total LIE!

Of course, what else could he say being a Chief Fellator of Evil himself (and well paid for it, too)?
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Red_Viking Donating Member (903 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-15-03 05:39 PM
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14. We're NOT occupiers...
so stop saying that!

RV
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Melsky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-15-03 05:52 PM
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17. Isn't it legally an occupation?
I read an article that said they now had to call it an occupation because the Geneva convention defines what they are doing as occupation. If they don't define it as this, they face war crimes charges. This was a while ago, so maybe I am remembering it wrong.

How could it be anything else though?
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davhill Donating Member (854 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-15-03 05:56 PM
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18. I believe the proper term is
Scallywags.
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joshdawg Donating Member (335 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-15-03 05:57 PM
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19. If we are not "occupiers",
then why are we there? Bring the troops home. We occupied Iraq to find the imaginary WMD's. We did not find any, so again I ask, why are we still there?
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markses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-15-03 06:01 PM
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20. This debate was settled months ago: We're "occupying power"
According to every possible permutation of international law, the so-called "coalition" is the occupying power in Iraq. We are occupiers, as much as Mr. Powell, a despicable little man, wishes otherwise.
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FlemingsGhost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-15-03 06:02 PM
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21. Riiiiiiight... and Nixon wasn't a "criminal."
A soldier without honor, is simply an outlaw.

How dare Powell assert that U.S. forces have a legal right to be in Iraq. They are only there due to a litany of lies and deception... a political crime scene that has Colin "the good soldier" Powell's fingerprints all over it. Due to your help, General, the only law that matters in Iraq right now is the law of the jungle.


Powell should be shot for treason.
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Dan Donating Member (595 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-15-03 06:22 PM
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23. The truth of the matter is....
The American troops (or Coalition troops) are prisoners of War.
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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-15-03 07:10 PM
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25. Oh my
I can see his nose growing as he speaks.

He's getting more and more blatant as he goes along.

Of course we are occupiers!!!

We invaded and are OCCUPYING Iraq. Its the fucking definition of the term.
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Skip Intro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-15-03 07:37 PM
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27. Did I once respect this man?
Edited on Mon Sep-15-03 07:37 PM by nu_duer
This same man? At one time, I even thought he might be the lone sane voice in this gang of criminals, but he's no better than the rest.
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Skip Intro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-15-03 07:45 PM
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28. Don't overlook that "we came as liberators" lie reinforcement here either
Edited on Mon Sep-15-03 07:48 PM by nu_duer
We should raise hell everytime we hear that lie as well. We wen't to "disarm" saddam, according to the moron. That's what he said, and that's all the talk was about in the lead-up to the invasion - scary, dangerous, imminent WMDs - inspections too slow, must attack now!

We did not go as liberators - there isn't even a question of why we went. God, I wish somebody would just ask little hitler why we went and why are we there and could this invasion not have been avoided?

If they are allowed by the PRESS to continue not to be called on that one, then there is all the proof anybody would need of government controlling the media in our fantasticaly free nation.
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loudnclear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-15-03 07:55 PM
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29. This is not rewriting history...this is rewriting the present!
Wow!!
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mikeytherat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-15-03 07:59 PM
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30. !!Unfortunate Quote Alert!!
In 1917, Mesopotamia was "invaded" to be "liberated" by the Brits. It was stated by General Maude, the British Commander:

"People of Mesopotamia. We come to your land and cities not as conquerers, but as liberators. We are here to free you from the evil, bloodthirsty oppression of the Ottoman Empire!"

The Brits left in 1932. History is written. Iraq remembers.

mikey_the_rat
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cthrumatrix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-15-03 08:14 PM
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32. It's too hot over there...his brain is cooked. The lies don't even flow
as easily.

White is black. Black is white.
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karlschneider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-15-03 08:34 PM
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33. No! We aren't occupiers! We are Guests who make the proprieters pay US!
Such a deal.
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-15-03 08:40 PM
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34. Kofi Anan: This war is illegal. Nuremberg : Preemption is illegal
Edited on Mon Sep-15-03 08:41 PM by robbedvoter
What is that international law Powell speaks of? We flaunted every rule, resolution there was (besides shamelessly lying to the UN)
Here's what the chief prosecutor said at Nuremberg:


the Chief Prosecutor at the Nuremberg
Tribunal.
"We must make clear to the Germans that the wrong for which their fallen leaders are
on trial is not that they lost the war, but that they started it. And we must not allow
ourselves to be drawn into a trial of the causes of the war, for our position is that no
grievances or policies will justify resort to an aggressive war. It is utterly renounced and
condemned as an instrument of policy". -- Supreme Court Justice Robert L. Jackson
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