Breyer Says U.S. Could Learn From Israel

[mth44sc]

http://www.newsday.com/news/politics/wire/sns-ap-breyer-terrorism,0,6677162.story?coll=sns-ap-politics-headlines

Breyer Says U.S. Could Learn From Israel


By ANNE GEARAN
Associated Press Writer

September 12, 2003, 3:47 PM EDT

NEW YORK -- The United States could learn from compromises Israeli courts have struck to balance terrorism and human rights concerns, Supreme Court Justice Stephen G. Breyer said Friday.

Israeli judges have adopted what Breyer called "intermediate solutions" that acknowledge the security risks the country faces, the justice told an audience at Columbia Law School.

"There are many solutions that ... solve nothing to everyone's satisfaction but are not quite as restrictive of human rights as an extreme solution, nor as dangerous as some other extremes," Breyer said. ..

<snip>

..."Maybe to have a lawyer not of your choice (is better) than none at all," Breyer said.

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If Breyer is thinking like this...

[Resistance]

1. does this mean

we're going to start building settlements in Baghdad?

[mth44sc]

2. Heck no - that "Mission" is already "Accomplished"

I imagine we'll go building in Syria or Iran next...

[cprise]

8. It means we need to find a boogeyman closer to home

...place them in an 'intermediate' legal cetagory (e.g. not quite human-rights for not-quite-humans), and then slowly grind them to dust.

A-men.

[bahrbearian]

23. Hey how about Canada

They never supported the war and they seem kind of socalist.

[Paschall]

17. I don't suppose permanent US military bases...

...would be considered settlements. But maybe all those civilians providing privatized services to the troops and living in US compounds might be.

[gratuitous]

3. We don't have enough bombs going off?

Our citizenry doesn't live in enough fear? What's Breyer trying to say? "Ride public transportation; take your life in your hands. Go to a restaurant and hope that's just marinara sauce on the floor."

Thanks but no thanks, Stephen.

[mbperrin]

12. Right! WTF have they got to offer us?

Damn military checkpoints everywhere (useless ,as witness the explosions), living in fear, hate your neighbor, YIKES!

[StandWatie]

4. fuck him..

We are not Israel, we have no reason to be stuck in the same bullshit as they are whatsoever. Rather than just do things different we are going to throw away all our civil liberties and bunker down and fight until the world blows up?

[somapala]

5. Are We Blind?

Are we going to spend another trillion dollar to safeguard Israels Intrest?

[mmm]

7. looks that way, don't it

[BiggJawn]

6. Was he Drunk?

"There are many solutions that ... solve nothing to everyone's satisfaction..."

Ummm, like, maybe "The Final Solution"? Is that what he's talking about?

And

..."Maybe to have a lawyer not of your choice (is better) than none at all," Breyer said.

Not sure if I agree with that. under our CURRENT system of Laws (subject to suspension at any monment)if you don't have a lawyer, they appoint you one. If he's a incompetent jerk, you can ask for another. And if I have my own lawyer? I have to use theirs? isn't that the way Stalin ran things during his purge? Easier that way, I think....

If he thinks it's no big deal to give up your rights to Calico Johnny, or live in a society where the army flies helicopters down the shopping district to fire rockets at cars, then why doesn't he just resign, and emmigrate to Eretz Israel?

And take Wolfowitz and Perle with ya when ya go, Stevie!

[saigon68]

19. Not Drunk-- He is senile

He should be tested for alzheimers. What an idiot, that experience has nothing to do with us.

He might as well be trying to explain,
"Why a Fish from Florida needs to go ski jumping in Colorado"

[hang a left]

20. Oh he is not drunk, and he is not senile

He is evil. We don't have any terrorism in the United States that is not sponsored by the BFEE. But we will have dissenters, hopefully. That is the only reason you would need laws on the books such as these. When the Court rules, you will know where we are headed.

[cprise]

9. "Intermediate solutions" = "Final solutions"

The former is just a slower version of the latter.

Do not place people into quasi-human categories!!!

[otohara]

10. Expel All Dissenters & Senators Who Disagree

w/ Bush?

[Resistance Is Futile]

11. "Intermediate solutions"

Let's not forget that the Israeli 'intermediate solution' allows for the use of 'moderate physical pressure' against suspects. Barring further clarification, he's arguably, although indirectly, arguing for the legalization of torture.

[Resistance]

14. excuse me (off-topic)

I consider your nick-name a personal attack

:silly:

[glitch]

22. thanks for the first chuckle of the day nt

[scarletlib]

13. Create more terrorists?

The only thing I see Israel's policies creating are more and more desperate terrorists. Is this what we want?

[Democat]

15. We are in deep shit

When the Supreme Court doesn't care about the constitution, there is no constitution.

[Voltaire99]

16. Ass-backwards advice from the "moderate" justice

The Israeli courts have lessons for US courts, as do those of many other nations. We should be especially leery, however, of grafting Israel's extraordinary remedies for terror defendants onto our system. We have already abused our system enough in the wake of 9/11; it is time to undo that damage wholly, not in piecemail fashion as Breyer would have.

And there is another, larger context for viewing his advice: no open democracy should model itself upon one of the world's most flagrant human rights violators. We really don't want to "learn" from Israel; we should be using our vast financial subsidies to teach it to behave.

[rman]

18. well, the US did learn:

Military strikes in the middle of civilian areas, in order to get a few 'terrorists'.
It's a compromise allright, it's just that human rights concerns are apparently not much of a consideration. They find the 'compromise' way over on the end of agression.

It's all to obvious that Sharon, and the likes of Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz etc, are of the same school of thought.
Pre-emptive anything; Lock people up because the *may* be terrorists, kill them because they *may* attack some time. Then spin it untill everyone is dizzy, ie call it a compromise.

[leesa]

21. We HAVE learned from Israel...isn't that why we are in the situation

we are facing in Iraq?