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RamboLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 01:14 PM
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(Zell) Miller to Honor Swift Boat Vets' Group
Edited on Thu Dec-16-04 01:14 PM by RamboLiberal
http://www.capitolhillblue.com/home.pl?&&frameurl=http%...

For one night only, it'll be spitballs and Swift Boats together on the same stage a who's who of Sen. John Kerry (news - web sites) bashing. The American Conservative Union on Thursday announced it has tapped Sen. Zell Miller (news, bio, voting record), D-Ga., to present the "Courage Under Fire" award to the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth at the Conservative Political Action Conference's Feb. 16 banquet.

Miller and the group of Vietnam veterans were behind perhaps the campaign's two fiercest and most memorable attacks on Kerry's unsuccessful presidential bid.

Miller, who is retiring next month, scorched Kerry in a Republican National Convention keynote address in which he suggested the four-term Massachusetts Democrat had voted to cut so many weapons systems, it appeared he wanted to send the military to war with only spitballs.

If I say what I'm feeling right now - I could get arrested. Why the hell didn't the Dems kick this bastard out of the party!!!!!!
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VegasWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 01:15 PM
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1. Who gives a shit what Miller does. This shoud be posted on some
other board.
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ClintonTyree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 06:34 PM
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99. The look on Miller's ugly face................
Edited on Thu Dec-16-04 06:34 PM by ClintonTyree
says it all. A vicious, mentally unstable egomaniac. What a tool.

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UpsideDownFlag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-04 01:13 PM
Response to Reply #1
164. yeah, that's why it got put on the homepage.
:beer:
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madinmaryland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 01:15 PM
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2. This is beyond what words can explain.
:grr:

:nuke:
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 03:41 PM
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66. And to think that Zell was a hero to conservative Democrats on this board
when he connived with AIPAC and the GOP to defeat Cynthia McKinney in 2002 using her protege Denise Majette. At least we got our Cynthia back in Congress!

Zell should be on meds!
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wellst0nev0ter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 05:04 PM
Response to Reply #66
84. And to think we ever gave those closet freepers the time of day
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stevedeshazer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 01:15 PM
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3. Man...
Oh man. :grr:
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Mistress Quickly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 01:16 PM
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4. He'll be gone in a manner of weeks now.
To be replaced by a republican in the seat. At least you know what you're getting when they have an 'R' by their name.
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cally Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 01:17 PM
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5. WTF???
I thought there was nothing Zell could do to make me hate him more. He just did.

Remember, Paul Begala still calls Zell Miller a friend. He also says that he had more friends in * campaign than in Kerry's camp. Begala needs to speak out about this or admit he's not on our side.
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RamboLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 01:18 PM
Response to Reply #5
7. BTW I hear Zell has been signed by who else but
Faux News - they deserve each other!
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leftofcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 01:28 PM
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21. Ann and Zell
Ann Coulter and Zell Miller......... A plagiarist and a racist. I'd say that is right up Faux" alley.

Left of Cool
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Anakin Skywalker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 07:22 PM
Response to Reply #21
104. Welcome to Hate-Fest 2005!
Feature Main Attraction: The Tag Duo of Ann Coulter and Zell Miller.
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frankly_fedup2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 11:25 PM
Response to Reply #21
132. Add O'Reilly to that mixture and it could be a new porn book . . .
he could write.

Pervert! And so is Faux News for hiring an obviously demented man who is showing some signs of Alzheimer. Of course, O'Reilly is a sex addict, Sean Hannity is a pathological liar, Greta Van Sustrand is a Scientologist, and Alan Colmes just shows up to get paid.

Have you noticed that on Faux News Network that ALL of their so-called expert commentators have had scandals in their past like Ollie North, Newt Gingrich, and Dick Morris of all people.

Dysfunctional people for a dysfunctional network.

"They report, and still they lie."
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leftofcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-04 11:23 AM
Response to Reply #132
159. And speaking of O'Reilly
I tuned into Faux News just long enough last night to hear him bellyaching about Chevy Chase calling Busco a dumb f&&K.

"No conservative has ever used vulgar language with a Democrat," claimed O'Reilly.

I guess the word FUCK isn't a "bad word" when Cheney uses it.

Left of cool
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lancdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 01:20 PM
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11. I don't believe Begala still calls Miller a friend
Edited on Thu Dec-16-04 01:21 PM by lancdem
He and Carville worked for Miller when he was governor, and once he turned wacko, they cut off ties with him.

BTW, the American Conservative Union is the group that first introduced us to Paula Jones. :puke:
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cally Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 01:24 PM
Response to Reply #11
17. When I last watched Begala several months ago
he said that he doesn't agree with Zell but still considers him a friend. That was when I quit watching him.
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lancdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 01:43 PM
Response to Reply #17
26. Sorry to hear that
I know Carville wants nothing to do with Zell.
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ernstbass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 02:16 PM
Response to Reply #26
46. I saw Carville on Imus
after the Dem convention and he spoke very sympathetically about Zell as if the repugs were using him and victimizing him- that old man knows exactly what he's saying.
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 03:28 PM
Response to Reply #5
62. Begala is another worthless piece of shit.
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biscodawg Donating Member (913 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-04 12:14 AM
Response to Reply #62
137. no kidding!!! nt
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anitar1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-04 12:29 AM
Response to Reply #5
141. Begala and Miller
Begala is a friend of Millers? Goodbye Belgala.
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Mixxster Donating Member (653 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 01:17 PM
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6. I seriously wonder if Miller is experiencing some form of senile dementia.
n/t
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RamboLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 01:19 PM
Response to Reply #6
10. Too bad duels are illegal
I'd support seeing him and Kerry at sunrise! And you know who I'd be rooting for.
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mac56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 01:46 PM
Response to Reply #6
29. It has been hypothesized.
Zell has had some bouts with illness in recent years. It's possible his reasoning has been affected.
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bunny planet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 02:24 PM
Response to Reply #6
50. I hope he has a complete break down and starts foaming at the mouth on
his very first Faux broadcast. In fact I hope he falls on the floor in full grand mal seizure, eyes rolling back in the head, spittle flying, tongue swallowing, the whole nine. What a feeble minded, mean-spirited, d*ckwad this guy is. :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :grr: :grr: :grr: :smoke: :smoke: :smoke: :evilfrown: :mad: :mad: :mad:
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complain jane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 04:54 PM
Response to Reply #6
83. I'd say so. Seriously.
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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 05:45 PM
Response to Reply #6
94. My Thoughts Exactly
Edited on Thu Dec-16-04 05:45 PM by Crisco
I don't know too much about Zell beyond his conservative bent as a Dem.

Okay he wanted GW to win the election, we get that. He believed, he said, he needed to put his convictions ahead of his party. We get that, too. Don't like it, but get it.

But to turn around and be seen presenting this award to a group of people who lied through their teeth to the US people, blantantly subverting the democratic process, well, so much for convictions.

It's tossing away whatever legacy he had as a statesman, that's just something a smart politician does, not even upon retiring.

He's really gone crackers. Why isn't his family trying to talk him out of this?

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Anakin Skywalker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 07:24 PM
Response to Reply #94
105. What Power Would They Have?
Edited on Thu Dec-16-04 07:25 PM by Anakin Skywalker
Social conservatives believe in a PATRIARCHY! They can just all shut their holes and go to their rooms! And if Zell were any more fundy, he'd take out his belt and lash them! :)
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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-04 09:13 AM
Response to Reply #105
155. Southern Women
have more control over their men than most people could possibly imagine.
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Boosterman Donating Member (515 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-04 01:30 PM
Response to Reply #155
166. Thats more true than most realize
I really think a lot of people that post here have never even been to the South.
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 05:51 PM
Response to Reply #6
96. Yes, he's a sick old man and deserves our sympathy. eom
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hatrack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 10:34 PM
Response to Reply #96
126. No, he's a lying twisted asshole, and he has earned our hatred
And don't start on the "We need to be better than that."

Zell Miller is a drooling self-righteous narcissistic prick, and he deserves if not Thorazine, then at least tar & feathers. I hope he dies soon, and I am not sorry I said it.
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 11:25 PM
Response to Reply #126
133. What's the upside in pissing on an old guy who's clearly lost it? eom
Edited on Thu Dec-16-04 11:43 PM by struggle4progress
<edit: fixed typos>
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hatrack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-04 11:15 AM
Response to Reply #133
158. So, being old makes you beyond criticism?
I don't care if he's old. I don't care if he's young. I don't care if he walks with a limp, or is hard of hearing or hears voices telling him to devour opossums when the moon is full. I don't care if he's kind to animals or drops off Easter baskets at orphanages.

What I care about is his getting up on national television and spewing venomous lie after venomous lie about an honorable man who did nothing to Zell Miller, except (apparently) to exist.

What I care about is his flagrant disregard for simple decency, and his willingness to hurl great dripping handfuls of slime at whatever frayed, tattered little fragments of democracy remain in this country.

He hates his own party, his own party's candidate and much of what this country stands for, so I'm hating him back. Maybe that's what he's after, and maybe it isn't. Whatever the case, he earned it, and if you have a problem with that, tough.
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Tight_rope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-04 04:51 AM
Response to Reply #126
150. Thank you...I could not have said it any better!
Sympathy my ass...must be senile too.
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SharonAnn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 10:10 PM
Response to Reply #6
123. Yes, I've known several people for years who got into this type of
ranting and right-wing thinking and rages. Soon after they started doing that I noticed that they got obsessed by all this and couldn't think about anything else.

Then, after while, I learned they were diagnosed with Alzheimer's.

Not somebody who's been like this all the time, but rather someone who was relatively normal and then went right-wing bonkers.
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NVMojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 01:18 PM
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8. I feel the same way ...maybe we can get this covered on South Park??
Those little characters get to do what we can't....

I just loved that link to the south park session on the Passion of Christ...
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Griffy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 01:19 PM
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9. Think positive.. if Kerry's prez that meeting will be sour!
BE in DC on the 6th! and it can happen! Wonder if they'll cancel it then! LOL :P
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Tacos al Carbon Donating Member (326 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 07:32 PM
Response to Reply #9
108. Um, the electors cast their ballots this past Monday
The 2004 election is now officially over, as far as I can tell. January 6, 2005 is a formality.
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WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 01:21 PM
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12. so why hasn't Bush offered his pal Zell a job?
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mac56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 01:47 PM
Response to Reply #12
31. I think Zell is hoping for that.
But Bush & Co never will. They even screw their friends.
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CBHagman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 01:48 PM
Response to Reply #12
32. Whores and assassins are discarded...
...once they've served their purpose.

But the wages of sin are good (hence the job with Rupert Murdoch, His Satanic Majesty), so Zell is set for this life. God help him in the next, though, because the case against him is strong. Dante would have a place for old Zell...
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zonmoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 02:25 PM
Response to Reply #32
51. Yeah
isn't the punishment for betraying your benefactors having your head gnawed on by the devil in a frozen sea for eternity.
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WildEyedLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 04:17 PM
Response to Reply #51
74. Indeed
He, McCain, and the other traitors to a man who once called them friend will join Judas, Brutus, and Cassius in the Devil's antechamber, deep in the frozen bowels of the ninth circle of Hell.
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demigoddess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-04 01:09 PM
Response to Reply #32
163. has anybody considered that recycling "friends" through the Fox News
organisation is equal to "buying" their services. Services which cannot be paid for over the table.
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Vanje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 02:18 PM
Response to Reply #12
47. Because even Bush knows...
...that Zell Miller is a demented, pants-soiling shrieking loon.
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hlthe2b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 01:22 PM
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13. I guess they'll surely "perform" inside a Demonic Pentagram
and sacrifice a few virgins to their Master?


The Gates of Hell await you, Zell and your fellow Bastards!
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Demrock6 Donating Member (717 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 01:23 PM
Response to Reply #13
16. I heard about the Faux news and Zell Miller thing. WTF?
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DireStrike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 01:23 PM
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14. Great, more ammo to use against Fox News in conversation. -nt-
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BDG Donating Member (4 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 01:23 PM
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15. Insane clown
Ah yes, a trully honorable man Zell.
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complain jane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 04:52 PM
Response to Reply #15
82. Zell Miller. What a friggen joke.
Flushing any shreds of credibility he may have had left (in the eyes of who I don't know) down the Swiftboats' toilet
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catnhatnh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 07:30 PM
Response to Reply #15
107. Perfecto....
Zell Miller, Anne Coulter and the usual Fox suspects as, "The Insane Clown Posse"!
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 01:25 PM
Response to Original message
18. Zell Miller's Democratic Party



Orval Faubus



James Eastland



Theodore Bilbo


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The Sheik Donating Member (349 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 10:20 PM
Response to Reply #18
124. You forgot Strom Thurmond!
I know he turned into a republican but I am saying this as if he was still alive and a democrat.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 01:25 PM
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Bethany Rockafella Donating Member (916 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 01:31 PM
Response to Reply #19
22. No, that may have helped. But election fraud is what cost Kerry.
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Spiffarino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 01:54 PM
Response to Reply #19
37. They didn't do shit
Ken "Katherine" Blackwell and brother Jebbie gave Jesus Wal-Mart Bush the election. The Swifties are a shitheap of discredited liars and any thinking person understands that. Bush had the stupid people locked in his camp already. They didn't help one bit. IMHO.
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Lone Pawn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 02:09 PM
Response to Reply #37
44. Wrong. Entirely wrong.
After SBVT attacks started, the percentage of Americans believing John Kerry "could not be trusted" went up over 15% and those believing he had not served honorably in Vietnam went from single digits to over 30%. His poll ratings dropped by 5% the week the ads started. Deny the truth, blame fraud, but it won't help you.
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NewYorkerfromMass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 02:44 PM
Response to Reply #44
55. It's debatable
they certainly didn't help. The good thing is that they will no longer be an issue if Kerry is nominated in '08.
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mazzarro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 03:42 PM
Response to Reply #55
67. I honestly do not look forward to another presidential run by Kerry.
I am sick and tired of democratic candidates that are in the palms of the DLC and carter solely to the so-called independents/moderates. I want a firebrand democrat eager and willing to trade fire for fire and no less. Kerry had his turn and missed the chance to clobber this lame brained impostor. It is now time for another person to pick up the mantle of the true democrats - IMHO.
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Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 10:57 PM
Response to Reply #67
127. And who do you think that other person might be?
Be specific
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MisterCompletly Donating Member (87 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 06:00 PM
Response to Reply #55
98. Do you reckon the SBV blew the whole wad on 2004?
I would not totally rule out a redux with *new and improved* findings. I don't see a whole lot of fence mending between Kerry and the Swift Boat Vets anytime soon.
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NewYorkerfromMass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-04 08:52 AM
Response to Reply #98
152. Issues get stale.
Look at shrub and his AWOL issue. Not a problem this time around (apparently).
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Spiffarino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 05:32 PM
Response to Reply #44
88. Even if they had some effect, it didn't turn the election.
Edited on Thu Dec-16-04 05:33 PM by Spiffarino
The Swiftboat Liars for Bush had their evil effect, granted. I still think it played to the dumbest and most uninformed Americans. They had not a shred of credibility.

And polls be damned...I stand by what I said: Bush had the stupid vote locked up. If it hadn't been the Swiftliars, it would have been the ad where Bush was hugging the little girl on 9/11, or the "I'm optimistic" bullshit ad. Anybody who was dimwitted enough to fall for them was a solid Bush voter. They refuse to pay attention.
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yorkiemommie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 07:57 PM
Response to Reply #88
111. yes
no matter what, they would have voted for him. i have seen it personally. their eyes glaze over, stare straight ahead and the body freezes up too.

i condemn miller and the sbvs for their vicious lies and know that there is a special place in hell for them.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 08:08 PM
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Spiffarino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 08:48 PM
Response to Reply #112
115. Sorry, no Egyptians here.
In fact, I was born in Saudi Arabia.

I reiterate, there are a lot of really, really stupid and gullible people out there. Rove had his hand on the collective pulse.

The people who voted for Bush were, in no particular order:

1. Ignorant
2. Afraid
3. Religious right-wingers
4. The amoral (mouth-breathers, amoral hate-mongers, racists and/or militia nuts)
5. Committed Republicans who always vote "R"

I'll ignore your snarky comments if you can tell me where I got it wrong.
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CBHagman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-04 12:30 PM
Response to Reply #115
160. Don't forget "set in their ways."
I suspect a fair number of Bush voters, particularly in places like South Carolina, live by the "vote for the devil you know" mantra. Incompetence, ignorance, and outright mendacity are no encumbrance to the incumbent. Add to that a knee-jerk aversion to anyone with a Northeastern accent, successful labeling of Kerry as a wealthy elitist, xenophobia and misogyny where Teresa Heinz Kerry is concerned, and fear of liberals, and you have the perfect storm of Idiotic Voting Habits.
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rman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-04 05:30 AM
Response to Reply #37
151. the swifties being discredited was mentioned only briefly,
and superficially at best, in the mass media.

The lies however have been all over the media for many days if not weeks.

So the discrediting didn't neutralize the notion that many people had gotten that "Kerry can't be trusted".

That's one way in which the media are being used to fabricate public opinion.
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wicket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 01:28 PM
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20. Zell should be kicked out
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SharonAnn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 10:07 PM
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122. Here in Tennessee, the State GOP Executive Committee just
past a decision that the party would actively work against and Republican who voted for the Democrat, John Wilder, as majority Leader of the State Senate.

The Republicans just won a majority and though john Wilder has been power sharing with them for more than 20 years, committee chairmanships in proportion to their representation in the State Senate, now that they're in the majority they want to take total control!

I read that article today and frankly couldn't imagine the Democrats doing something equivalent, even to Zell Miller!

Then I come here and find this. Sigh!!

We've got to learn to rape and pillage.
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ivolsky Donating Member (61 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 01:37 PM
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23. Miller on Fox
Fox News has just announced that it has hired Miller as a commentator... so he won't be on the unemployment rolls for long.

www.politicalthought. net
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Spiffarino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 05:36 PM
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90. Great place for Zell
All the pod-people need to move there. Keep them confined and let them spout their foolishness to the dullest of the dull.

TV is dead. Long live the Internets!
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Politicub Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 01:38 PM
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24. This man is beyond evil
and that is an understatement. He isn't a dem. I don't know what he is.

Is he going to honor Kerry too? After all, he was the captain of a swift boat.

There is no bottom to the republican smear machine. They are completely without morals. If anyone thinks for a moment that these fiends would give a rats ass about genocide of Americans, rounding up all us fags and shooting us like dogs in the street, or executing all non violent drug offenders, they are delusional.

America is doomed. It's going to be a short trip downhill unless we are able to turn it around.

Words can't express the sheer disgust that i feel. To me this act is akin to the medial establishment honoring Dr. Mengele. It doesn't make sense, and is just designed to rub salt into the wounds. Something that the republicans wouldn't hesitate to literally do in a second.

I don't know where our country went so wrong. Nixon? Reagan? How did we get so far off course? We are governed by superstition and fear. There will be no progress until this mindset is changed. We can only moving backwards until that time.

Our economy is destroyed. We're on the cusp of turning out millions of seniors out onto the streets by denying them their social security that they are due. Social security is one of the best government programs that we have, and the republicans are going to destroy it with a sneer on their faces. Looking at them is looking at the mask of sheer evil.

What drives such acts of hatred? I don't understand it. I really don't.

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MisterCompletly Donating Member (87 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 01:51 PM
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33. One question about Social Security
Why do the recipients of SS have to pay tax on their SS income? When and who allowed this aberration to happen?
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Politicub Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 01:53 PM
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36. I don't know
But that's not right, either.

Did it happen during clinton?

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Bridget Burke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 03:29 PM
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63. Do the research & get back to us.
OK?
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MisterCompletly Donating Member (87 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 05:53 PM
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97. Here's what I found about SS payments getting taxed

http://www.bankrate.com/brm/itax/tips/20010115a.asp
Some Social Security benefits may be taxable

The base amounts for figuring possible tax liability on benefits are:

* $25,000 for single, head of household, or qualifying widow or widower with a dependent child.
* $25,000 for married individuals filing separately and who did not live with their spouses at any time during the year.
* $32,000 for married couples filing jointly.
* $0 for married persons filing separately who lived together.
($0 sounds a lot like a happy marriage foul)

http://www.snopes.com/cgi-bin/news/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=g... ;f=3;t=000003

From Snopes:
Q: Which party put a tax on Social Security?
A: The Democratic party.
FALSE

Actually, it was Ronald Reagan, a Republican, who signed a bill taxing
Social Security benefits.

Q: Which party increased the tax on Social Security?
A: The Democratic Party with Al Gore casting the deciding vote.

TRUE

Both parties are guilty of stiffing the elderly.

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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 03:35 PM
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64. Where did 'ya get that idea? I'm a recipient of Social Security
and I certainly don't pay taxes on this stipend.
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bunny planet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 03:20 PM
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60. Great post Politicub. So sad to have to agree with everything you've said.
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Chipper Chat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 08:54 PM
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116. You express my mood exactly.
Five years ago I was looking forward to even a more progressive country under President Gore. Now things are really in the toilet and the republicans are shitting even bigger turds. I have family in Europe and they claim their affection for the US has never been lower and they hate Bush. The redstates-ostrich-fundies here refused to believe this. Personally, and this is probably dangerous to write, I feel the time is right for an attack/invasion on our soil by North Korea & China. With most of our fighting force in Iraq/Afghan and with billions of men in Asia ready to die what will stop them? We would have to defend Washington & Alaska with home guards! We would have to saturation-bomb the northwest to rid the area of invaders (that was the Bush plan in Fallujah, no?) And who would allign themselves with us? Canada? I doubt it - they resent us too. I suppose Bush would need gays then, huh? "Hey you fags - if you fight I wont push for a marriage ban anymore. Please, pretty please." Oh, thanks Dubya.
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jmowreader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-04 01:45 AM
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145. I think it was Reagan
The party that didn't hold the White House was still considered to be the Loyal Opposition when Nixon was in power. After Reagan got through trashing America, we're the traitorous opposition--even when we hold the White House.
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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 01:41 PM
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25. if there was an independent network press-this might cause some to pause
Edited on Thu Dec-16-04 01:43 PM by Supersedeas
then think, then write about the connection...between the convention and those who claim not to be affiliated with the Bush campaign.
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 01:44 PM
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27. There is no doubt that Zell Miller is a PodPerson.
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primavera Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 05:20 PM
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87. ROTFLMAO!
I've often suspected this was the case, thanks for the confirmation!
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 05:39 PM
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91. He's not the only one.
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Anakin Skywalker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 07:28 PM
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106. Hey! Don't Diss the Emperor!
That's His Holiness Emperor Palpatine to you, serf! :)
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 07:37 PM
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109. The designation "serf" would be a promotion.
Hail to the Lizard King!

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Felix Mala Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 01:44 PM
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28. He should get hours of media attention...
so that he has ample time to show what a crackpot (pipe?) he is! Let him hang himself. That's what Chris Matthews did.
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mac56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 01:52 PM
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34. They love him here in GA though.
Partially because of the scholarship programs he set up when he was Governor. But also because he's good entertainment.

That's why he's on Fox now, too. A loose-cannon cracker is always good for ratings. Granny Clampett in man-drag.
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deminflorida Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 02:03 PM
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41. Granny Clampett in man-drag....
That's the best description I heard yet for the old bastard.
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Khephra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 08:37 PM
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114. At least Granny had moonshine for an excuse for being out of it
Zell has no excuse.
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bunny planet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 03:19 PM
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59. LOL Granny Clampett
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Felix Mala Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-04 09:20 AM
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156. Granny wasn't a Clampett.
She was Jed's mother-in-law. She was Ellie's true grandmother, but no kin to Jethro, except maybe in the "hill" sense that everyone is related one way or another. Her name was Daisy Moses.
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bunny planet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-18-04 02:48 PM
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174. whoa. You know way more details than is healthy about the Beverly
Hillbillies. I believe you are correct though, if it is important to you to be acknowledged for your expertise.
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agincourt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 01:46 PM
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30. Rabies Zell and K-drag Swift-goons,
need to all take a shower together and form an Al-Gharib pyramid.
Courage under fire? shit. "May I suck your dick please?" , was all the heat they got out of the national news media.
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Inland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 01:52 PM
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35. "I thought I was a nutbag whore liar, but hoooey, you boys take the cake!"
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juliagoolia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 01:55 PM
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38. This event deserves a protest by veterans for kerry
and OP Truth VETS, AND OTHER Peace activits.
These guys are slimeballs.. all of them.
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Nordic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 01:56 PM
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39. every bit as weird as a Republican Communist
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GOPFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 02:01 PM
Original message
If the Dems were smart...
...they would initiate a new "Zell Miller Award" to be awarded to the most bone-headed GOP politician of the month. They should hold a press conference each month when it's awarded to give it a lot of publicity. The award should be kept light-hearted, but the underlying message should be: "This is what will happen if you fuck with us!"
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pk_du Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 11:38 PM
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How did this post end up without a number? n/t
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The Night Owl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 02:01 PM
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40. John O'Neill - Molester
Edited on Thu Dec-16-04 02:07 PM by The Night Owl
John O'Neill

Molester of Truth
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kskiska Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 02:06 PM
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42. Didn't John O'Neill tell us the Swift Boat Veterans were non-partisan?
How come they're accepting awards from Republican Conservative groups? I'm shocked, I tell you shocked!
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DaveofCali Donating Member (434 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 02:06 PM
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43. Zell should've been kicked out of the party long ago
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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 02:14 PM
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45. The question comes to mind:
Edited on Thu Dec-16-04 02:15 PM by Lydia Leftcoast
What does a person have to DO to be kicked out of the Democratic Party?

Oh, wait, I know. According to some people, being an anti-war protestor makes one undesirable. Appearing with the Scum Boat Veterans is okay, though. Just wanted to make sure.
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Mike Niendorff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 02:22 PM
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48. I can answer that question for you:

> What does a person have to DO to be kicked out of the Democratic Party?

It's simple, really : just suggest that the party move a fraction of an inch toward "the left". That'll do it.


MDN
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njdemocrat106 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 02:22 PM
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49. To Zell Miller and the Swift Boat Vets for Truth...
You are nothing but traitors to the United States of America. You are no better than the criminal administration running this country. John Kerry is an American hero. Smear him all you want. We know you have sold your souls to Bush Administration, just so you can be on the "good" side of things when the Republican Neo-Nazis officialy declare this country a fascistic theocracy. Damn you Zig-Zag Zell, and damn the Swift Boat Vets for Truth.
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Tippy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 02:27 PM
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52. Who Better to Honor a Tratior, than Another Tratior n/t none needed
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njdemocrat106 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 11:23 PM
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130. P.S. Zell...
Better to be a real Democrat from "Taxachusetts" than be a fake Democrat from "Whoregia" (no offense to the Georgia DUers here).
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pbartch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 02:31 PM
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53. WELL.........i KNOW i would get arrested. I never say what I think anymore
they would put me in jail forever.

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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 02:31 PM
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54. Real headline: Dinosaur accepted at Smithsonian exhibit "Dead Ideas"
I hope to know where Zell miller's grave is when he takes a dirt nap. I'll make sure to take a nice long piss on it.
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ananda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 02:45 PM
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56. what?
Is it in the realm of rational discourse to be able to explain to me why Zell Miller should get any attention whatsoever for anything? The man's a racist, traitor Dem in Reeptile clothing and should go off in a closet and hang himself up in shame.

Sue
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PROGRESSIVE1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 02:58 PM
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57. Zell Miller we be "screwed" by the Devil when he gets to Hell!
:puke:
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 03:02 PM
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58. okay. Why isn't Kerry suing these people? I thought he was going to. Why
aren't they in jail or something. And Zell Miller? Why can't he be formaly chastised. Sheet. Why do we keep taking this stuff? The Dems really are weenies!
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 03:26 PM
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61. Zell Miller is the perfect man to represent lies & lairs
Zell Miller is the most contemptuousness man that has ever served in the Senate.
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liberalhistorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 03:38 PM
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65. No, actually that honor
belongs to Strom Thurmond, Joe McCarthy and Pat McCarron (a Dem senator at the same time as McCarthy who made McCarthy look like Mickey Mouse-he actually tried to push through a bill allowing authorities to round up and put into concentration camps, yes his exact words, anyone considered subversive, especially immigrants).
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 04:36 PM
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78. I absolutely recognize the dark honor these credits come with
Edited on Thu Dec-16-04 04:38 PM by 0007
..but for the moment Sir I choose.....on second thought you have a pretty strong argument. I remember Pat McCarran quite well, the senator from Nevada. And who can ever forget the Wisconsin senator if you lived in those days? McCarthy was and still is the main stay of the John Birch Society.

I'll go along with your recommendations!

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Placebo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 03:50 PM
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68. Wow, I didn't think things could get any more absurd...
but they just did.
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GreatCaesarsGhost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 03:55 PM
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69. oh no, not z
not z
not z
not z
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Massachusetts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 03:57 PM
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70. ZANY ZELL IS AN IGNORANT TRAITOR!
this NON NEWS. :thumbsdown: :thumbsdown: :thumbsdown: :thumbsdown:
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Hosnon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 11:40 PM
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136. In GA we use the term "Zig Zag Zell" - More appropiate as time passes. eom
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tsuki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 03:59 PM
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71. Turkey and the Gravy Boaters...A real 'ho down.
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 04:00 PM
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72. They may as well install a urinal on this guys grave when he dies
Going to get a lot of use I suspect?

Don

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politicasista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 04:12 PM
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73. Stop hating on Kerry
He did the best he could. Sure he made mistakes and he wasn't perfect, but who else nominated would have won. I am tired all this coulda, woulda, shoulda, and mighta. The Lord will punish these men for their evil, mean-spirited, atrocious smears of an honorable man one day period. :cry:
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 04:21 PM
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75. What in the hell are you talking about?
Edited on Thu Dec-16-04 04:21 PM by NNN0LHI
I thought this thread was about Zell Miller. Excuse me, I must have posted to the wrong thread perhaps?

:shrug:

Don

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politicasista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 04:31 PM
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77. No you are in the right thread, I was directing that at a Kerry basher..
There are so many posts I didn't know which one was who.
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 04:44 PM
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80. ....are you off your feed again?
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Maine-ah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 04:28 PM
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76. WTF
:puke:
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Botany Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 05:43 PM
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93. WTF #2
Without shame, honor, or dignity these people are the lowest of the low.

:puke:
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genieroze Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 04:41 PM
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79. Zell Hell has been beaten with the retard stick to many times. eom
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MaineYooper Donating Member (555 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 04:49 PM
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81. don't give a rat's ass about miller, but
the fact that the American Conservative Union would give a "courage under fire" award to the SB liars is beyond belief. Partisan is one thing, but these guys were thoroughly and indisputably shown to be lying.

un-freakin'-believable

And the press wonders why we think the right is made up of morons...
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Smirking_Chimp Donating Member (213 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 05:05 PM
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85. Zig Zag Zell is goin' to Hell!
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Blue_Tires Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 05:18 PM
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86. zell, kill yourself, please
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American Tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 05:35 PM
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89. My God, when is he going to either die or go the hell away?
I'm even impressed that parasites like him still exist. I mistakenly thought that the persona of the angry, bitter, aging, poor white southern man with a chip on his shoulder and an inferiority complex had perished years ago.

Clearly we're gonna have to wait a little longer.
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Massachusetts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 05:45 PM
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95. "I'm even impressed that parasites like him still exist."
You shouldn't be, Washington is FULL of them.
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ExclamationPoint Donating Member (422 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 05:39 PM
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92. Wow today is Angry day
I already got extremely mad at a conservative today now I'm doing it twice.

Today in my regional newspaper there was an article on putting "christ back in christmas"
here's an excerpt

"Their is a revival going on in our nation that is causing christian, right minded people to say, 'wait a minute. We've gone too far,'" says the Rev. Patrick Wooden Sr., pastor of the Raleigh church. "WE're not going to allow the country to continue this downward spiral to the left."

Now smell miller (can't think of a better insult now sorry) is being a conservative idiot. I think I will burst from all this rage. :mad:
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ally_sc Donating Member (238 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 06:47 PM
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100. zell miller is a turncoat and an old pig eom
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hollowdweller Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 07:10 PM
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101. So is the theme of the meeting Peckerwoods on Parade???
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geniph Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 07:16 PM
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102. Friendly message to Zell:
Dude, whatever you're taking for that problem of yours - Haldol or whatever - UP THE DOSAGE. 'Tain't workin'. Just a friendly tip for ya.
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Piperay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 07:18 PM
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103. Well Zell should honor them
they did such a tremendous service for him and the repugs they deserve their thanks. x(

As far as the Kerry bashing, these people need to move on and quit beating a 'dead horse'...they 'won' and need to get used to it. :eyes:
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geniph Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 07:43 PM
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110. You ever see such a pack of sore winners, Piperay?
I swear, these people are meaner in victory than they were in loss. Hey, Pugs, newsflash - you successfully cheated, lied, and smeared your way to victory. Get over it. And shut up about fucking Clinton, already, wouldya?
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bear425 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 08:17 PM
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113. Karma. That's the only word I can come up with right now. n/t
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Goldeneye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 08:56 PM
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117. No really, is there something wrong with him?
If he wants to be a republican, why doesn't he just change parties? Its not a hard transition. You just start saying you go to church every Sunday, and that you want to privatize everything. You must denounce gays, abortion and the aclu. Then your a republican. Its really that simple.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 09:03 PM
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118. The dems should "turn thier backs" on him as he leaves Congress
for the last time--like protestors will do at the Bush bash on Jan 20!!!
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justgamma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 09:46 PM
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119. The Swift Boat Liars
were proven to be liars every step of the way and they get honored.

Some democrats want to denounce Moore for telling the truth.

I just don't get it.
:wtf:
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chomskysright Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 09:55 PM
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120. I wrote the GA Dems personally....
about this cracker (hey: I can say that: I'm from Atlanta).
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carnie_sf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 10:02 PM
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121. Zell Miller is
a small minded, small hearted, ignorant, fear and hate-monger who is a Democrat in name only. IMHO the sooner he switches to the Republican party, the sooner I can start thinking about switching my registration from green to Democrat. And if I said all that feel about this alleged man I would be arrested. There.
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Rainscents Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 10:25 PM
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125. Off the topic... I need answer!!!
Can someone please tell me Pierce County and Spokane is Republican or Democrat County? I know that King County is Democrat County. Theses are the only three County left for hand recount left in Washington State.
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Rapcw Donating Member (567 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 10:59 PM
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128. Why does this guy continue to call himself a democrat?
He is certainly a DINO and what he has done to this party is shameful to say the least.
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frankly_fedup2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 11:17 PM
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129. I agree with Zell Miller's statement he made on Hardball, . . .
I wish it were still the time where a traitor to one's Country or Party was tied to a pole, blindfolded, and a firing squad shot them dead.

I will not elaborate because they will remove this post. :grr:
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Sleepless In NY Donating Member (749 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 11:24 PM
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131. Kerry ought to "honor" them with a law suit
If he has any thought of running again in 2008, he best show them he means business. If not, he can forget about 2008 because this will come up again and again. He promised to fight back, well, nows the time.
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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 11:35 PM
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134. The SB Liars were mocked and laughed out of town 30+ years ago...
and with rightwingnuts being so much more stupid nowadays than they were back then, the SBLiars got lucky; this time the rightwingnuts were stupid enough -especially idiots like Hannity- to fall for the lies.

And you really do have to be incredibly stupid to have fallen for that old bullshit from O'Neil.

Hell, even Bill O'Reilly called the SBLiars a pack of total liars.

None of them served with Kerry and they call him a liar; they are proven liars and all those who DID actually serve with Kerry call Kerry a hero.

If it makes rightwingnuts feel good about themselves for lying and denigrating and smearing and mocking a United States Military Veteran, no problem. It shows the whole wide world exactly what rightwingnuts are.

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Hosnon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 11:38 PM
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135. Ole Zig Zag?...I'm from GA - what an ass. eom
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anitar1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-04 12:25 AM
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138. Zell Miller
Should not this ass be drummed out of the party?
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elshiva Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-04 12:27 AM
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140. Please God protect us from the legions....
+JMJ, Berak atah Adonai, Allah Akbar, away Zell, get thee to the netherworld!
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fujiyama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-04 12:26 AM
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139. If I stated
how I truly felt about this devious, treacherous piece of shit, I would likely have my message deleted...

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LostinRed Donating Member (292 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-04 01:18 AM
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142. would you expect less n/t
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-04 01:36 AM
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143. Liars talking about liars. Sounds fucking stupid.
n/t
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SideshowScott Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-04 01:45 AM
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144. WHYoh WHY havent the Dems gone after Zell with both barrels???
One of the things that REALLY disapoints me about the democratic party is that they hanvent gone after Zell with no mercy! They should have gone on every airwave and print media and say that he does not represnt the democratic party and he is no democrat! They should open his right wing voting record and hang him with it. He has done nothing but take a shit on everything the democrats try to work for and frankly its gone beyond the last straw with zell.
DEMOCRATS: Hasnt zell done enough damage?
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Learning2Fly Donating Member (42 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-04 01:55 AM
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146. As a thoughtful gesture
Edited on Fri Dec-17-04 01:55 AM by Learning2Fly
I'm thinking of sending Zell a bouquet of roses upon his retirement. My only indecision is should they be wilted or simply stems with blossoms lopped off?
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-04 04:44 AM
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148. Send them in a funeral bouquet complete with condolence card
With deepest sympathy, sorry to hear about the passing of your sanity.
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geniph Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-04 04:25 PM
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171. It looks too mean-spirited to attack someone obviously deranged
People would sympathize with him, like they did with Charlton Heston after F9/11 came out and it was obvious that Heston's Alzheimer's was a lot worse than had been reported at the time.

It's best to let the loonies rant and froth and just kind of ignore them like the crazy guy on the bus. Zell needs medication, not full-frontal assault.
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Vektor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-04 03:50 AM
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147. No way.
Zell is clearly horribly disturbed. To associate himself with a slanderous, and already fully debunked group of corrupt liars is just one in a series of odd, irrational behaviors this man has displayed. It doesn't surprise me though, not from him. Why does he even call himself a Democrat? What exactly is Democratic about him again? I swear he does it just to be obnoxious and taint the party with his name and his hare-brained antics. The man is totally unstable.
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Tight_rope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-04 04:47 AM
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149. Zell can go straight to HELL....
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Demrock6 Donating Member (717 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-04 09:08 AM
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153. HERE HERE!
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Nameless Donating Member (21 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-04 01:52 PM
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167. Umm...
Not to be an anal-retentive jerk, but it's actually, "Hear hear!" (short for "Hear, all ye good people, hear what this brilliant and eloquent speaker has to say!"


http://www.straightdope.com/mailbag/mhear.html
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GOPBasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-04 09:11 AM
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154. Dear Senator Miller:
I would call you a complete piece of horseshit, but I don't want to insult good manuer.
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truthisfreedom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-04 09:21 AM
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157. ahh, how rich. the insane traitor speaks for the crazed liars.
perfect. the public will eat it up.
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4_TN_TITANS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-04 01:00 PM
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161. Give the man a grain of credit....
Observe how our Democratic blood boils at the sight and sound of this freak. If only the GOP had a few more of these jerks working for them, we'd take to the streets and take the country back by hand. What is wrong with the DNC, allowing this person to even remotely be considered a Democrat.

Smell Miller sent my little girls running from the room in horror when he pulled his foaming at the mouth speel at the GOP convention. This man terrifies innocent children.
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caligirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-04 01:05 PM
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162. Kerry should sue them, and serve them their papers at the party
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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-04 01:21 PM
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165. Not much from MSM regarding connection bt Miller, Swifties, and Convention
Odd?
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manly Donating Member (278 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-04 03:09 PM
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168. Zell

So now Fox can have " The Zell and Dennis Miller Show." Just like the Smothers Brothers used to have a cutting-edge show with a liberal slant, this Fascist-lite group will now have an outlet for their wit and humor, featuring The Joe McCarthy Singers and The J. Edgar Hoover Dancers.Guest appearance by George "Pinhead" Bush, who will recite the text of My Pet Goat.Later, a black person will tapdance. For the grand finale of the show's premier, "Pinhead" Bush will have his entire Cabinet do tricks at his command, to a jazz background. A good time will be had by all.
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-04 03:22 PM
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169. Don't forget Colon "Uncle Tom" Bowel doing his Swanee River imitation.
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IronLionZion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-04 03:32 PM
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170. www.WhoGivesAShitWhatZellDoes?.com
He's a senile old has-been gone the way of Strom Thurmond and Jesse Helms.
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demgrrrll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-04 05:32 PM
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172. Swift Boat Vets story was at the top of the front page of the St. Louis
Post Dispatch today. Today! Apparently Hoffman? is from St. Louis. The lead in was that the Swift Boat Vets had "won" but that Kerry was a cagey guy and might try to run again so they had to stay vigilant or some crap close to that in meaning. He needs to sue these guys until they are standing on a sidewalk somewhere with no home and no prospects wearing a barrel with straps. The article noted that they had changed the name of the group to POW's for Truth.
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crispini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-04 11:09 PM
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173. I just needed to drop by this thread to say...
:puke:

There, I feel better. Carry on.
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