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Nambe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-03 10:50 AM
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Bush to Urge New Anti-Terror Measures (expand death penalty)

President Bush will on Wednesday endorse further measures to tighten anti- terrorism legislation, including denying bail to terror suspects, expanding the death penalty, and bypassing grand juries to issue subpoenas.

"Over the course of the last two years as we've been taking significant steps to combat terrorism at home we've come across some areas where additional authority is needed," White House spokesman Scott McClellan told reporters.

Bush is to unveil his proposals in a speech to a Homeland Security FBI laboratory in Quantico, Virginia, outside Washington, at 3:15 p.m. EDT.

McClellan played down suggestions the measures comprised a "Patriot II," package, supplementing the "USA Patriot Act" passed after the Sept. 11, 2001 attacks, but said Bush would endorse proposals already under consideration in Congress. ---

Banish bush From Texas Too
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searchingforlight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-03 10:51 AM
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1. This is Bush's answer to everything ---
Edited on Wed Sep-10-03 10:53 AM by brigadoon
Kill them all - let God sort them out. AAAAUUUUGGGGHHHH!!!

We must protect our rights. We may be next.
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Flying_Pig Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-03 11:01 AM
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2. We *are* next!
Bush and Asscroft, as they have all along, are going to use any expansion of terrorism laws, to target their political opposition. "Terrorism", is the same smokescreen he's used to justify all of the rest of his fascist behaviour, including using the word 27 times in his last speech. Milk it. Milk it good. We've got to get this fascist bastard out of there quick, or we won't have a Constitution left!
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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-03 11:02 AM
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3. Expanding the Death Penalty?
What an idiot. Like suicide bombers care about the death penalty. That makes sense... :eyes:
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hatrack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-03 11:03 AM
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5. You took the words right out of my larnyx!
Yup, expanded death penalties will have those suicide pilots and suicide bombers quaking in their sandals, no doubt about it!
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nostamj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-03 11:02 AM
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4. as IF what we do with them IF we catch them
will make ANY difference in catching them!

people willing to commit suicide are not going to think twice because pResident POS threatens to kill them if he catches them...

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soup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-03 11:07 AM
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6. Expanding the death penalty
In Florida, they can already kill 16 year olds and mentally ill people, so I'm trying to figure out how that could possibly be expanded.

My guess is they want to execute toddlers in the 'terrible 2's' stage, anyone who owns or has access to a dictionary containing the word freedom, and anyone driving a vehicle that does not have a pro-Bush/Cheney sticker on it.

Cue the music:

They're coming to take me away ha ha

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rock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-03 11:14 AM
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7. The tighter you squeeze, the more slip though your fingers
It certainly appears to me that bush*sucks 'iron heel' approach is achieving less and less in security. (I'm currently reading "Iron Heel" by Jack London).
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prolesunited Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-03 11:17 AM
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8. It's a perfect plan!
You've heard Bush and his minions say "They hate us for our freedoms." If we let them take away all of our freedoms, then they won't hate us and we'll be perfectly safe. Don't you see!?!? :eyes:
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hedda_foil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-03 11:22 AM
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9. Give you odds he rolls out Patriot II (aka the "Victory Act") on 9/11.
God help us all if Congress lets this through.
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Wetzelbill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-03 11:23 AM
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10. Plant a chip in everybody's arm and sick Ashcroft on 'em
Edited on Wed Sep-10-03 11:39 AM by Wetzelbill
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arcane1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-03 11:31 AM
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11. denying bail to terror suspects??? WTF do they need THAT for?
with PATRIOT act 1, they can throw a suspect in the slammer indefinitely, with no lawyer, not even told what they are locked up for, and can rot in there until the Prez himself decides it's ok to let them out... WTF do they need this bail nonsense for, if you are locked away indefinitely by law???

this no-bail bullshit is for US!
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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-03 11:35 AM
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12. Does compromising national security... related to intel on WMD
count as aiding and abetting the enemy? Should those found to be aiding and abetting the enemy in this way be held indefinitely without right to counsel and tried in secret?

Just asking...
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otohara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-03 11:58 AM
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13. Locking - Double Dupe
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Grins Donating Member (508 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-03 01:07 PM
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14. "Lock 'em up!!"
I've been hearing this %$&* from conservatives ever since Nixon. It's their solution to everything they dislike. In Alabama, they'd probably lock you up for skipping church if they had the power (obviously, you're not someone with proper moral values or to be trusted if you don't go to church)

And what did we get for it? A war on drugs that has become a war on ourselves.

(From another DUer) "The single greatest force behind the growth of the U.S. prison system since the mid-1980s has been the war on drugs.
The Department of Justices Bureau of Justice Statistics reports :
1. America's prisons and jails held a record 1,860,520 inmates at mid-year 1999 (and passed 2,000,000 in 2000), 400,000 of which were there on drug charges (so, about 25% of all of the people in prison or jail are there on drug charges ALONE. This doesn't address drug-RELATED crimes).
2. The inmate population has more than doubled in the last ten years (from 712,000 in 1990 to over two million in 2001).
3. In comparison, America incarcerates five times as many people per capita as Canada and seven times as many as most European democracies.

In February 1999, the New York Times reported, "every 20 seconds, someone in America is arrested for a drug violation. Every week, on average, a new jail or prison is built to lock up more people in the world's largest penal system."

"Drug and alcohol related arrests made up one-third (31%) of ALL arrests in 1999. While overall arrests decreased by 1% from 1990 to 1999, drug arrests were 36% higher in 1999. (FBI Uniform Crime Reports 10/2000)

"About 1,600,000 people were arrested (not necessarily convicted) for drug violations in just one year (1999). Id."

States with such overcrowding in the jails they are letting prisoners out because the state doesn't have the money to keep them locked up. (Of course, $87 billion dollars to the states would solve most of their debt problems - but I guess that money is already spoken for.)

"After three decades of fueling the U.S. war on drugs with half a trillion tax dollars and increasingly punitive policies, illicit drugs are easier to get, cheaper, and more potent than they were 30 years ago," reads a LEAP statement.

Cops lying about arrests that would justify massive new funding in law enforcement. The Tulia case in particular.

Profiling disasters.

Three strikes laws.

Refusing to amend laws, convictions, or death sentences even when later DNA or other evidence indicates human failure, or worse, deceit!

Executions of the retarded, and the charging kids as adults.

Assaults on the Constitution.

Plea bargaining people into prison for crimes they did not commit. The modern equivalent of medieval torture to get a confession.

An Attorney General (the worse AG in our history) that wants his state attorneys general to fink on judges, effectively 'blacklisting' and intimidating them.

Being declared a "person of interest", never charged by a court. but "accused" nontheless.

A "Justce" Department that asserts a President hads the power to detain, indefinately, any person HE DEEMS an enemy combatant to be denied counsel and held incommunicado - and none of it reviewable by a court of law.

Being incarcerated because of your name (MIT's Amer Jubran ).

A Massachusetts state Rep. (Kay Khan-D) learning about the use of the Patriot Act being used against her after repeatedly asking why a $300 wire transfer had not reached her brother. Well, it seems someone decided that her husband had the "wrong" last name. A state legislator ON A LIST!

Being called "un-patriotic", and "aiding terrorism" because you express dissent and wind up getting on a list.

A Defense Department building massive inter-related databases on everyone, not just criminals - and by THE SAME company that "scrubbed" the Florida electorate of 57,000 voters!!


The real criminals are not locked up - they're in Congress and the White House.
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