Rev. Jackson plans rally with ministers to call for election investigation

[bufffbison]

http://www.onnnews.com/Global/story.asp?S=2614285

COLUMBUS, Ohio -- The Rev. Jesse Jackson said he plans a Sunday rally in Columbus with ministers from around Ohio to call for an investigation of election irregularities in the state.


Jackson and his Rainbow/PUSH Coalition civil rights group want to call attention to the fact that votes in Ohio are still undergoing the official count, he said Thursday. Jackson also is questioning whether enough voting machines were provided in inner-city precincts and whether fraud could have occurred in counties that use electronic machines without paper records of ballots.

President Bush beat Democrat John Kerry in Ohio by about 136,000 votes, according to the unofficial tally. Kerry conceded there were not enough outstanding votes to sway the election his way. Counties have until Dec. 1 to complete their official counts, including verification of 155,337 provisional ballots cast in the state.

[dave502d]

1. Jesse Jackson,someday people will thank you,I do now.n/t

[SammyWinstonJack]

3. As do I

Thank you Rev. Jackson.

[goclark]

60. What time is the rally?

I checked the Operation Push website and I don't see it listed.

Go Jesse!

[Sara Beverley]

80. Maybe if Jesse were Ukranian Bush would pay attention to him?

This administration and their mindless followers are all up in arms about "election theft" but the the theft here in America but about the "alleged" election theft in the Ukraine. If only liberals had the nerve of the Ukrainian opposition. We would still be in the streets in FL and OH.

[Rammy]

112. Hope is all we have

I really hope that we will catch some help on this and one of the big media outlets will give this some play

[Pepper32]

122. I also want to say, THANK-YOU JESSE!

[happynewyear]

2. Thank you Rev. Jackson!

and more power to you!

:kick:

[digitaldog]

7. i hope somebody shows up with some big orange flags

like they do in.......ukraine.....maybe powell will notice help is on the way, praying for rev. jackson and the calvery coming soon

[mom cat]

15. Hi digitaldog and welcome to DU!

:hi: I like your orange flag idea. It could be a new form of Orange Alert!

[marions ghost]

82. orange flags

Yes--"orange alert" flags as the symbol for no confidence in the US election system. Great Idea.

[zann725]

11. At last! The 'voices' we're be waiting for...

That's something to 'give thanks' for today!:bounce:

[wantkerryin]

4. I thought he said that the election was won 'fair and square' n/t

:kick:

[nashville_brook]

6. yeah, no doubt

but i'm glad he's finally coming around... ad is al franken, it seems.

[Cha]

23. I wonder what changed their minds?

This is very intriging. I was at a Thanksgiving Dinner where I was the only one who thought there could be voter fraud.

[0007]

40. Me too!

[Just Me]

65. See,...we are not alone.

Since I have no doubt whatsoever that the computer machines could be manipulated,...given the political season (power at any price) I have no doubt that there were/are machines that have been manipulated.

My prayer: that a noble & honorable person out there will have the evidence necessary to prove the truth AND will have the courage to present to the American people.

[proud2BlibKansan]

83. What did Franken say?

[KMG]

76. Jessie Jackson

Jackson likes the air time. Plain and simple.O8)

[AgadorSparticus]

101. thank god he does and has the courage to stand up for the people.

i sure as hell wouldn't want to be infront in the spotlight fighting the fight. so thank god for rev. jackson!

[visionwatcher]

5. Spread The News..

Maybe you should post this in the Ohio forum, Voting forum & the Activist forum. We need to band together and support each other in any way possible even if its just spreading the news. If other organization protest at the same time not only would it make it look like a larger protest... it may get media attention.

[bufffbison]

8. AMEN! LOVE THIS MAN!!!

[pbartch]

61. I'll be sending the note to DEM Friends and on YAHOO board

later. Right now.......I need to make a Turkey SAMWICH.

[Name removed]

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[Niche]

12. I really want to see this covered on tv...

Damn. will it help to contact the networks to cover this? CSPAN? Can't stand that we can't get coverage on what's happening! We don't watch news in our house but I'm getting really sad now about them not covering the NEWS. Maybe HBO should start it's own news show... or expand Daily Show on Comedy Central (satire is now our only source of truth?) WFT:freak:

[TripleD]

74. It was on the local news in Columbus

I first heard about this on our local NBC affiliate (WCMH) this morning about 6:45am. They didn't give too many details other than Jesse Jackson was holding a rally Sunday in Columbus to bring attention to the voting problems in Ohio.

On edit:

Here's a link to their online story:

http://www.nbc4i.com/politics/3950534/detail.html

[schultzee]

10. I love you Jesse Jackson! You are doing good work for the people

unlike the bushovics who are trying as hard as they can to create a totalitarian state run by the rich.

[calimary]

92. It would be nice if somebody paid attention to our black leaders

for a change. Instead of putting them on Ignore like what happened with the Congressional Black Caucus.

Thank you, Reverend Jackson!!!

[genieroze]

13. Finally!!!!!!

[zann725]

93. Amen!

Others now will 'follow,' I'm sure!:bounce:

[undergroundrailroad]

14. Keep Hope Alive!

UGRR

[VivaKerry]

16. God, MLK is rolling over in his grave.

Jackson. Hot air. What would he do if he actually called on THE PEOPLE ... in a big way (the mlk way)... and they actually showed up. Woops... he would say... "I didn't mean to actually incite change."

Pfft. Jackson. makes a little stir here or there, but moves no mountains. But he could. He really, really could. And beause of that, I say Pfft to him!

[jaysunb]

17. What I'd like to say to you would probably get me banned

n/t

[Name removed]

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[jaysunb]

35. FYI

At 60, and a veteran of the civil rights movement, as well as a friend of Jesse JACKSON, I neither need or seek your forgiveness.

Rev. Jackson has continually spoken out on behalf of oppressed people world wide. The fact that he doesn't meet your litmus w/ regards to your issues is a poor reason for the blanket smear. And for better or worse, the vast majority of the Black community resent the fact that some members of the Gay community have decided to compare their -righteous- struggle to ours. Homophobia and racism are ugly, but separate beast. They have to be dealt with as such, and Jackson knows this.

Take a deep breath and try to think rationally.

[VivaKerry]

51. Okay. Whatever you say.

So no one in the USA can have an opinion about jesse jackson except the one you have?

[Zhade]

43. "It's against the law to criticize a black man?"

Straw man argument. Poster did not say any such thing.

[VivaKerry]

52. Straw man argument.

Yeah, I had a lot to argue against. "I would get banned if I said what I wanted to say." I was inquiring of that poster what his issue was. That was ther reason for the question mark at the end of the statement you pulled out of my post, which was deleted my post that was not inflammatory... that was not a personal attack, that did, indeed, outline further my position which IS: Jesse could do so much more to further the work of MLK -- to help the black man rise up to a level that we had hoped, but did not materialize. I am entitled to my opinion. I am entitled to believe that 35% continued unemployment for black men is atrocious; that the sheer massive numbers of black men in prison is atrocious. That slavery has not ended in the USA. Yeah, I expect a lot more from Jesse Jackson and refuse to just give him a pass just because he was active with MLK. Sorry if that offends the guy who KNOWS jesse.

[Name removed]

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[Vidar]

49. Kerry's no FDR either, so what's your point?

[VivaKerry]

72. What is YOUR point?

got a problem with my handle? Kerry was the guy running against bush in the general election. Just an FYI.

[DavidDvorkin]

18. I'll thank him for trying, but

we know nothing will come of it. The bastards aren't going to give up power. This isn't the Ukraine, and they have nothing to fear.

[oscar111]

19. Watergate: 2 years to bear fruit: we must keep plugging away,ignre re abov

ignore naysayers, keep Watergate in mind, keep Ukraine in mind... success rewards those who

{Churchill:} Never Give Up

PS Total US wealth .. one hundred Trillion... is cause for thanksgiving... tho bush plans to cut Food Stamps...paradoxically... read and see fine official link on it, in my big post for today...

Democratic Underground Forums - Thanksgiving:Hunger up a million is Bush plan in Budget

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=230x40

[oscar111]

20. Everybody protest on Sun. is idea in re up the thread a few

interesting idea way up the thread in re: number 5.

he said "if everybody nationally protests at the same day, it would get media attention"

what do you think?

[digitaldog]

21. kick out the jams.........n/t

[Cha]

22. Thank you, Jesse!

Glad to hear not everyone is sedated.

Not quite the Urkaine but it's a start!

[Chimpanzee]

24. it takes them a month to count the votes?

[oscar111]

25. still counting votes, yes. Five states, last i heard a few days ago

five were still counting votes, days back.

[oscar111]

27. Related stories? Yahoo News, AP news, etc ?

someone with time, please Google or directly look at Yahoo and similar News sites, to see if there are comments or related stories to this key protest.

This looks big. Really big.

Thanks from someone too rushed right now to do this.

[Carolab]

28. BOUT TIME

to have a BOUT

[truehawk]

29. kick

[goclark]

30. I have always supported Rev. Jackson and

I am with him 100%!

I have always believed that he is a skilled politician.

MLK taught him well and just because he did not come out swinging about the FRAUD issue does not mean that he did not see it.

I do believe there was/is a plan for bringing the full force of the Voting Issue to the American People.

I saw a video clip here at DU about the Voter Suppression in Ohio.
Jesse Jackson went to the polling location,he was strongly opposed to the intimidation and he spoke about it on the video. It was done by a photographer for Michael Moore. He is SMART and he has always been a drum major for justice!

It always amazes me how Republicans can put labels on our Civil Rights and Democratic Party leaders. We allow them to say anything about our leaders and we start believing what they tell us to believe. That is so sad.

When I was a young adult, Jesse Jackson was rallying young Blacks, thousands of us to join in the Civil Rights Movement. I can still hear his strong young voice booming,"Repeat after me, " I AM SOMEBODY!"

Oh, those were golden days and he inspired us to become leaders and give back to our people and to our country!

Take it from me, he wants every vote to count and he will do everything within his power to make it happen.

[Ima]

31. Go Jessie!

I have been wondering why he hadn't been involved.

[Just Me]

66. "Repeat after me: I AM SOMEBODY!"

He said those at a rally I attended just a few weeks before the election.

The man has spent his whole life seeking to inspire others.

For those who want more than a mere mortal,...something more than an individual who can only be perfectly human,...I challenge them to be what they want from others before demanding it from others.

[Politicub]

32. Thanks Rev. Jackson

I'm glad you're back in the public eye!

[oscar111]

34. 3 rallys now after long quiet time

suddenly three rallys
on the Stolen Election.

===================
1. -one, calls for national tea party...dumping black boxes into harbor or wherever...like 1776...was that the year?.... two days from now.. sat.

2. Jesse's massive rally three days from now, with call for any and all nationwide to get active on Sunday. Nov. 28th.

3. Another Columbus OH rally , ten days from now.
================
links to the other two, can be found at DU. Possibly in my re's, as i forget if i put them in.

Suddenly, activity has made its appearance.

All to the great discomfort and dismay of the GOP. The theft will be reversed. Not just recount, but --> New Elections. Using no machines, just pen on paper, hand count. The Canadian Model.

President Kerry sworn in Jan. 20th.

[intheflow]

41. And one in Denver last Saturday!

Coverage at The Denver Post.

[Barkley]

33. How many states have already 'certified' their votes?

Why is it taking Ohio so long?

Is Ken Blackwell waiting until near the deadline
so as to make the re-count before the official
electoral college gets started?

I talked to my dad (in Cincinnati) he said that there were
attempts at his voting location to confuse and discourage
people from voting.

The state is worse than Florida 2000!

[livinbella]

36. someone is actually doing something!

wake up mr. kerry, we need your help

[goclark]

38. IMO Kerry is doing something

Recall that toward the end of the election, Jesse Jackson was put on the staff for Kerry/Edwards.

I am sure that this Rally has the backing and organization from a lot of higher ups.

Go Jesse!

[joeunderdog]

79. I strongly question that logic.

Jesse Jackson--whether you agree or not--hasn't got the credibility to champion this cause. I like the guy and I roll my eyes at some of the things he does. Now he's going to spearhead the challenge we can't afford to lose?

Yikes.

[bunny planet]

117. Your right,, his credibility is so much worse than BUSH's credibility!!!!!

Say what?

Jesse is a fine person to spearhead this investigation initially. His personal problems of a couple of years ago have already taken him out of the running for higher office. The Republicans can't further smear him with anything to prevent a presidential run, so short of taking him out, they kind of look stupid if they go after Jesse. Of course, they could go the stupid route, it is their MO. All and all, the publicity potentially garnered by a national personality taking up this cause is a good thing, hopefully.

[DoYouEverWonder]

95. The stealing of this election is and should be

a major civil rights issue.

BushCo did everything they could to prevent black people from being able to vote. I really hope that Jessie can rally the masses to stand up and show their opposition to this injustice.

[intheflow]

37. I'm saying the opening words at church this Sunday

and have been wondering how to talk about voting fraud in a "values" frame. Saying a prayer for Jesse Jackson and the rally might be just what I was looking for. :thumbsup:

[Califooyah Operative]

39. god bless you and god bless jessie jackson nt

[Mira]

50. Keep Hope Alive - Talk about it whenever you can n/t

[cloudythescribbler]

42. question is strategy to deal with Votergate

Civil Rights leaders including Jesse Jackson should have, long before no Senator would stand up in Jan 2001, in filing a class action lawsuit on behalf of all the disenfranchised black voters in FLorida. This failure was egregious. No matter what protests took place then, they didn't even put the system on the spot.

Now that EGREGIOUS misstep from 2000 needs to be corrected. Meeting with ministers and demanding an investigation and protesting the lack of voting machines needs to be supplemented with a MUCH more massive effort than was the case in 2000. First, a class action lawsuit on behalf of all voters disenfranchised by the systematic denial of adequate voting machines in Ohio needs to be filed RIGHT AWAY, as TIME IS OF THE ESSENCE. No more caving in to the Democratic Party leadership by Jesse Jackson! I was on the Board of a Rainbow Coalition chapter in the 80s, although I never met Jesse, and felt many activists at the grassroots, or the astroturf roots, unfairly blamed him for their own failures to organize.

Also necessary is a concerted effort -- one Jesse Jackson is in a position to lead -- to crack the media stonewall against the issue of Votergate 2004. In addition to the class action suit, one that he is in a position to initiate, even if it would buck the system's agenda, with negative consequences to be sure, but still morally and strategically essential, there are massive protests that are needed, and leadership for them, targeting the major national media like the New York Times for their lockdown. So the protest this weekend is to be supported enthusiastically, but only as a beginning, and not something to be applauded if not followed up with sufficient actions geared to make the difference that is needed. It is the follow up actions that progressives must urge on Jesse Jackson. Now, as in 2000, history has called upon him to fill in where the leadership of the Democratic Party has defaulted. Hopefully, that task will not be shirked, in favor of paying dues to the status quo, A SECOND TIME.

[goclark]

53. Are you putting the Voting Situation On Rev.'s shoulders?

I'm not sure his shoulders are that large.

In the 60's he had the support of many that believed in him.
I still do, but the Right, and MANY Democrats, have successfully marginalized him.

There is no way that he can take this on by himself.

In fact, he is stepping up to the plate now because NO ONE ELSE seems to be stepping.

If he succeeds, it will be because of the will of God, not us.

How are WE going to get behind this effort?

[Swamp Rat]

44. Geaux Jesse!!!

:kick:

[talk hard]

46. Go Jesse!!!

Never give up!!!

[madmadmad]

47. i wondered where jesse was- now where's al?

they should be screaming about what happened to minority voters in ohio and florida. 3-6 hous in line- that's crazy b.s.!

[Vidar]

48. A real hero comes through again.

Thank you from the bottom of my heart, Jesse. Just when I was losing all faith, you come through again.

[GoSolar]

54. Thanks, Jesse

:kick:

[Demeter]

55. Do You Know Why Ukraine is Rising, And US Is Not?

Because in the Ukraine, the purported loser is not going to roll over and go away quietly.

If we had a candidate that would fight for us, we'd be in the streets. But neither Gore nor Kerry would even fight for themselves, let alone the 50+% that supported them.

What does this say about the American Way? Is it that our Democratic leadership is too gentlemenly, or too cowardly? Is it that they figure it's not worth it? I would really like to hear from the horses' mouths just what exactly they think they are doing. With the money raised to make a contested election which isn't, we could reduce the national debt, or some other useful project.

[Barkley]

64. I agree! But the American sheeple deserve some blame too...

We are so trained here to follow leaders. We do have poor leaders
but its the people, not the leaders that make the difference.

I'm not sure about the Ukranians but they are apparently less subsevient to authority.

Good for them!

I recently saw a movie about the coup attempt in VZ a few years back.
The people took to the streets without Chavez, a permit or anything.

The same happened in Turkey right before the Iraq invasion.
The people took to the streets to let their representative know how they felt.

We here in America sit back and wait for CNN to tell us what to believe, buy and how to act.

[Chicago Democrat]

70. Chenyoble, Rampant Mafia, Corruption on a Massive Scale...

the Ukrainian people have just proven that it must get much much much much worse before people are moved to make it better.


Bush lies, Thousands die Weekly and as long as we are well fed, entertained and comfortable, WE DON'T CARE.

Bring it on... I say.. Let the Bush's ruin everything.

[LisaL]

105. Ukrainians are not united. They are divided, kind of like we are.

Looks like one part is rising against the other part. One part is pro-West, and the other one is pro-Russia.

[dzika]

56. We need a leader with celebrity

To reach a critical mass, people need someone that they trust advocating the fight for proving that our votes are counted.

Can Jesse Jackson be this person? Should we be writing to thank him for the support?

[goclark]

59. Absolutely! We need to thank him

Probably calls to his sons office would get to him quickly!

Congressman Jesse Jackson Jr., Chicago.

[bushnboots]

57. I'd like to see a worldwide response in perfect harmony

Where is the outrage? When world leaders will stand with men of courage like Jackson, this report follows not just in foreign news but throughout the U.S. as well:

World Rejects Vote Count, Warns America

Europe yesterday rejected the announced results of the United States' disputed presidential election and warned the American government to uphold democracy or face consequences in its relationships with the rest of the world.

A senior spokesman delivered a sharp rebuke to the American authorities who declared President Bush the winner of the November 2nd election that American protesters and foreign observers said was marred by fraud. The comments came after exit polls on election day had put John Kerry well ahead. Other European observers agreed there were widespread irregularities.

"We cannot accept this result as legitimate because it does not meet international standards and because there has not been an investigation of the numerous and credible reports of fraud and abuse," the spokesman said. He called for "a full review of the conduct of the election" and tallying of results. "It is time for American leaders to decide whether they are on the side of democracy or not, whether they respect the will of the people or not. If the American government does not act immediately and responsibly, there will be consequences for our relationship, and for individuals responsible for perpetrating fraud," he said.

"We have discussed the situation with senior American officials. We underscored our strong support for a fair investigation of the election and the absolute importance that no violence is used against the American people."

He said Europe and the rest of the world wants to find a solution to the problem based on legal procedures.

"We're not looking for a contest with the Americans over this," he said. "We're looking for a way to make sure that the will of the American people is respected. . . ."

He declined to specify the consequences he said could flow from the United States' failure to ensure a fair election outcome. "At the moment, we're not taking any actions," he said. "We want to see what the ultimate results are. So I would not get into any specifics."

America's leaders were told they should "immediately invalidate the election results, invite an independent commission to investigate the numerous reports of fraud and protect all peaceful demonstrators."

Asian nations have also criticized the election and expressed concern about the situation in America. "There appears to have been massive electoral fraud," an unnamed high level source from a key Asian government said.

The European and Asian nations were joined by a number of Latin American countries and Canadians who expressed similar criticism by announcing that they cannot accept the election results.

[goclark]

58. Is this post your wish or something

with some links to it?

[radio4progressives]

62. Tom Brokaw bringing Film Crew to Ohio for Jessie Jackson Rally !

http://www.commongroundcommonsense.org/index.php?showtopic=6915

Mayor Coleman just joined the call.
At least 30 people on the call from all over the state.
Cliff Arebeck, Don McTigue, Bill Moss The fellow, Steve from
California that was at the "unofficial" "meeting"
last weekend, Fitrakis, David Cobb, Blair Bobier, etc.
New suit against Blackwell filed in Cinci regarding the poll
challengers.
Contest of Election not appealable to district court or to U.S.
Supreme court

Important;
priorities of Jackson's efforts are;
Investigate
Coordinate
Litigate
Recount
Recuse

Tom Brokaw to send a film crew here on Tuesday for a story to air
on Wednesday

Jackson; "more than 100,000 ohio Blacks voted for Bush - misled
by ministers - "faith based" monies to churches that supported Bush /
IRS investigations of churched that spoke in opposition. Kerry came to
church in Ohio but ignored black ministrers -m "insulting as hell" -
coulldn't get Kerry to cooporate
Spokesperson from Coleman's office discounting allegations that
African American precincts may have been shorted voting machines.
Fitrakis and Evan Davis speaking as a Pacifica reporter challenge that
view - mayor's guy gets defensive. Arnebeck and Jackson emphasize litigation

Bill Moss to secure venue.
Conference call Sat at 7:00m est - will join. more info to be
confirmed at that time.

Jackson; none of this would be possible if it weren't for the
Green Party having filed for the recount.
_* Rainbow Push Coalition officially co-sponsors Dec 4 action and
evening event.*_ Also signs on to Contest of Election lawsuit.
Jackson to go to Cincinnati after Sunday's rally.
Coleman recommends contacting Bill Anthony, Franklin County Dem
chair and Ohio board of election . Cliff Arnebeck to confer w/Bill Anthony.

Jackson says this battle as well as Thanksgiving holiday are
comnnected with the rise of the new confederacy. mentions Ukraine.
Toledo mayor joins call.
Stuart Comstock, National Voting Rights coalition joins call.
Jackson to begin calling Columbus media outlets to publicize.
Wants Sunday program to be tight, on message and concise - will
have voters signing affadivits.
Lyn Serbe reminds about encouraging Congressional Black Caucus to
hold congressional hearings in Ohio

Call ends



evan davis wrote:

> On the phone with him now - planning the details.
> looks like it will be big. Widespread support. Big coalition.. Big
> media blitz They're talking about 2,000 - 4,000 people. Just changed
> venue to accomodate larger crowd. Getting the mayor on board.
> Contest of election filing delayed until early next week.
> Noted that various groups working on this are not yet connected;
> "bring the cart and the horse together"
> venue changed again - first church of god - holds 18,000.
> Jackson not arriving until 1:30. only one event at 3:00
> involve as many choires as possible. projecting "five figure
> attendance".
> Jackson could be available on Dec 4 in the evening but not during
> the day.
> Jackson on phone now with mayor colman.
>
>

[jhain]

63. yes yes yes and yes!

Now, I will give thanks!!
ans since I am doing the entire turkey cooking gig TODAY ( went to a cousin's last night- but ya gotta have your own leftovers all weekend, ya now) it REALLY feels like Thanksgiving now!

[Lizzie Borden]

99. Thank-you Jesse!

:kick:

[Vidar]

67. This should be our major news & rallying point!.

Jesse is a real hero for launching this protest in the face of real intimidation and the "deafening media silence". Don't dis him for being late or not being MLK. Don't go after Kerry again. We fight with what we have--and cannot afford to fight among ourselves.

[angrydemocrat]

68. We Need People Clogging The Streets As They Did In......

Ukraine. We need to have bigger protest than we had in New York. This would be good time to do. We need to try to get together a massive protest. We can't plan one this big by Sunday but we need to plan one as soon as possible and get it done. What does everyone here think? We could get Randi Rhodes and Mike Malloy to help get the word out. Do whatever we have to do to get it done.

[goclark]

109. Don't mess with Jesse!

How can any Democrat or person of good will dare to second guess Jesse on this one!

He does not have to do this!
This does not have to be his battle!

But he has chosen to do all that he can do.

Praise him and lift him up not pull him down!

[ozzy]

69. we all need to move on

face it already...... we lost!!!!!! we need to start putting all this wasted effort into the 2008 election......

[Chicago Democrat]

71. Hi Mr Ozbourne, Welcome to DU...

You probably aren't aware of the fraud that has gone on. Check out the forums or go to this site for a start..

http://www.blackboxvoting.org/

[BrightKnight]

73. We need to fix the election problems!

We need to fix the election problems. Can this country really move foreward without free and fair elections? The problems will not go away without pressure. It should not be this difficult to solve this problem. The lazy status quo press is not doing their job.

[KMG]

77. Yes we all need to move on.

You are right. This is a wasted effort. It's Christmas time soon. Let's all get along and have a wonderful Christmas.

[marions ghost]

84. Move On Where?

Duh yeah, let's all buy a lot of trash in the name of Jesus and forget about the Grinch that stole our democratic election system and left the media elves gagged in the closet...

[KMG]

86. I understand

your feelings, believe me I do. But life goes on somehow. We've lived 4 years with Bush and he hasn't yet undone Roe vs. Wade and other things. Ok, we will fix any problems that occurred this time and have a chance in 08. Abraham Lincoln once said that no one President can ruin the country in 8 years. Was he wrong? They complained when Clinton was in for 8 years and they saw that it wasn't so bad. I'm just trying to cheer you up, what can be done at this point? I refuse to be depressed and put my energy into something that can't happen. Sorry, but I am going to enjoy Christmas with my family. THEY are what is important. I will not do Kerry's dirty work for him. He had a chance and blew it with all his secrets and his crazy wife. If he thought he had a chance, he'd be in Ohio like Gore was in 00. He's the lawyer, right?

[Mira]

87. No - you do not seem to understand - what goes on is not life

but imperialism, murder, and unchecked abuse of power. Roe v Wade and the makeup of the Supremes is all a clear unobstructed path now. Abraham Lincoln did not know GWB, and could not imagine our weapons, and the irresponsibility and the incompetence we are dealing with. I, too am sorry that Kerry is seemingly uninvolved, but it does not mean we can allow disinfranchisement and not knowing if our votes were counted.
I - for one - have pledged to not vote again til the system is one that is accountable and verifyable.

[marions ghost]

89. You think Kerry lost because of his WIFE ?!?

:) Thanks for the cheerup and your optimism is admirable but we are living in a different century from Lincoln. Today the president and an extreme wing of his party control way too much. They have been masterful in their use of wedge issues to obtain power. The Dems (for whatever reason) have often been low on defense in response to the Conservative "God is on our side" Steamroller.

Kerry-Edwards Team SEEMED to be strong enough to take them down a notch and bring balance to the goverment. But the forces are huge against them. This is what's depressing--it's possible all the liberal legislators orlawyers in the country including Kerry-Edwards are in a no-win situation. I think we may be in a time of crisis for our democratic institutions that we have not seen before.

Just have to ask--what's the meaning of "his crazy wife?" I don't get that. Kerry's wife reminds me of my mom--spunky and outspoken, an advocate for the environment, compassionate, devoted to her children and family. After all, Theresa has a heart big enough to have once married a Republican.

[FloridaCrat]

96. 1 year of Bush has destroyed everything Clinton accomplished

Feel free to look forward to 08 and move on youself. You really think there will be an election in 06 and then 08??? Really???

If you ain't here to help, what are you doing here?

[KMG]

102. Well let's put it this way

Do you really believe in your heart of hearts that there is a remote chance that the election will be overturned? I mean, really honest to goodness overturned! How does one "help"? What would you like me to do? Well, maybe that was a loaded question. I'm sorry, I just don't know what can be done at this point. It would be very hard to turn the election over when Kerry doesn't seem to want it anymore. He's too quiet and I don't think he's just waiting for everyone else to do his bidding. He was supposed to be the "leader" who could take us out of Iraq and negotiate with our enemies and instead, when it gets tough, where is he? There, that's from my heart. Right or wrong, he let us down. Does he still deserve to be president in your mind when he can't take the heat? I don't think I'll ever vote for another democrat again. They don't stand up and fight. We do, but where are they.

[marions ghost]

103. Yes there is A Remote Chance

...that the election will be overturned. BUT the bigger picture is whether we will ever have faith in any US election in the future. You can help by working for Election Reform right now today. It is a bi-partisan issue and it doesn't really matter whether you've lost faith in Kerry or not. The election stank to high heaven--even my mother-in-law who voted for B**h could see it, and she is concerned about what went on.

If you think Kerry's not a fighter let's see you go through the same vicious attacks and multiple character asassinations he did, when all he was trying to do was run for a public office. Our system is sick, and everyone who knows that has got to pitch in to fix it. Try to see beyond this so-called election --to a time when we really ARE able to "get over it."

[burn the bush]

81. i think we can afford a few more weeks for this election

it's not that we lost dude, it's that it was massive fraud with over 50,000 individual complaints that together make up hundreds of thousands of fruadulent votes. If our election is totally ran by the government and our vote doesn't count, then we are not a democracy and we are not the America that we all know.
Secondly there is a madman in the office that is turning the US and the world into shambles. Don't rely on the news on your tv, they are only covering what the whitehouse wants them too.

[toandme]

75. Other cities involved see protest list here!

Sunday, Nov. 28 Ohio, sponsored by Jesse Jackson
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Monday, Nov. 29 San Francisco Email:
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Saturday, November 27th, Protest Rally, NYC Where: NYC: Times Square, south side of island at 44th
between Broadway and 7th Ave.
When: Saturday, November 27 at 1:00 (I'd like
volunteers to start arriving around 12:30 to make sure
we're set up).
http://www.votersunite.org/takeaction/bbba...-invitation.htm
Please RSVP and Need volunteers to help design the flyers, make signs, and help with PR (There is some possibility she might do this again
next week on the 4th. Let her know if you would be interested). contact :[email protected] [phone]
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Saturday, November 27th, Protest Rally, Kansas City, MO. 1:00 p.m. 47th & Main, Mill Creek Park by Fountain.
No Stolen Elections. Bring signs. Distribute flyers after rally.
(Contact [email protected])
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Thursday, December 2nd, No Stolen Elections KC Meeting, Kansas City, MO> 7:00 p.m. - 8:45 p.m. Location to be announced.
(Contact [email protected])
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Saturday, December 4th, Rally, Columbus, OH. 1:00 p.m. High & Broad Sts., Ohio Statehouse.
(Contact www.caseohio.org)
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Saturday, December 4th, Protest Rally, Kansas City, MO.> 1:00 p.m. 47th & Main, Mill Creek Park by Fountain.
No Stolen Elections. Bring signs. Distribute flyers after rally.
(Contact [email protected])
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December 11, 2004, NATIONAL DEMO CALLED: Washington D.C.
Call (561) - 889 - 2165 or email
[email protected] to participate with the "March on
Washington D.C." on Dec.11, 2004. This is the day before the
Electoral College votes to decide who will be representing the United
States as either the 43rd or 44th President of the United States.
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Saturday, December 18th Protest, New York, NY.
2:00 p.m. Washington Square Park, Manhattan.
(Contact [email protected])
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[KMG]

78. I've not heard any news

How did this rally today go?

[bufffbison]

85. Jesse Jackson Coming To Town, Seeks Election Probe - UPDATED

http://www.onnnews.com/Global/story.asp?S=2617738&nav=LQlCTZSL

Jesse Jackson Coming To Town, Seeks Election Probe
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Jon Craig
The Columbus Dispatch



The Rev. Jesse Jackson will come to Columbus Sunday for a rally and will seek an investigation of election irregularities in Ohio.

The rally will be at 3:30 p.m. at Mount Hermon Baptist Church, 2283 Sunbury Road.

Jackson, a former Democratic presidential candidate and founder of the Rainbow/PUSH Coalition, pledged to join a lawsuit contesting the Nov. 2 election. He also is calling for the recusal of Secretary of State J. Kenneth Blackwell, a Jackson spokesman said.

[Pam-Moby]

106. Go Jesse

Here is a strong man that can not or will not be silenced!

[proudtobeadem]

88. KICK

[berniew1]

90. Election Officials Obstructing Vote Recount in Ohio to Run Out Time

Richard Hayes Phillips, Ph.D.

As of election night there were 155,428 provisional ballots still to be counted in Ohio. The eagerly awaited Ohio recount cannot possibly begin until after the votes are counted for the first time.

It is now Friday, November 26, 2004. Twenty-four days have passed since the presidential election. There are 88 counties in Ohio. To my knowledge, only 13 have examined their provisional ballots, counted them, and posted the results on their websites. The 13
counties are: Ashland, Brown, Butler, Clinton, Geauga, Greene, Hancock, Montgomery, Pickaway, Preble, Tuscarawas, Union, and Warren.

Altogether, there were 23,873 provisional ballots issued in these 13 counties, or 15.36% of the
statewide total. At this rate, it would take five months to count them all. This strikes me as a
deliberate stalling tactic to delay the Ohio recount until after the electoral college meets in December.

Here are the unofficial results in the 13 counties, with the sum totals compared with those reported on election night, so as to compute the net gains:


ELECTION RESULTS AFTER COUNTING PROVISIONAL BALLOTS

County Bush Kerry Others Ballots Not Cast Counted

Ashland 16,171 8,555 234 25,739 779
Brown 12,647 7,140 105 20,281 389
Butler 109,866 56,234 696 168,976 2,180
Clinton 12,938 5,417 58 18,674 261
Geauga 29,974 19,588 205 51,286 1,519
Greene 48,377 30,530 361 80,602 1,334
Hancock 25,101 10,343 140 35,926 342
Montgomery 138,361 142,977 1,205 287,635 5,092
Pickaway 14,160 8,578 123 23,132 271
Preble 13,733 7,274 119 21,559 433
Tuscarawas 23,825 18,854 260 43,760 821
Union 15,869 6,665 96 22,911 281
Warren 68,035 26,043 337 95,512 1,097

Bush Kerry Others

Total 529,057 60.04% 348,198 39.51% 3,939 0.45%
Earlier 516,376 60.18% 337,902 39.38% 3,753 0.44%
Net Gain 12,681 54.75% 10,296 44.45% 186 0.80%

John F. Kerry is actually gaining on George W. Bush as the counting of provisional ballots proceeds. In counties that Kerry lost by 20.8% on election night, he is losing by only 10.3% among the provisional ballots counted. In the 75 counties yet to be heard from, Kerry actually held a lead on election night:

ELECTION NIGHT RESULTS

Bush Kerry Others

88 counties 2,796,147 2,659,664 25,993
13 counted 516,376 337,902 3,753
75 uncounted 2,279,771 2,321,762 22,240


There are 208,696 uncounted ballots in these 75 counties, including 131,555 provisional ballots, and 77,141 regular ballots, mostly punch cards, which will have to be examined by hand during the recount. For a county by county breakdown of the uncounted votes,
read “JOHN KERRY CONCEDED TOO SOON” at

http://web.northnet.org/minstrel/uncounted.htm

Half of these uncounted votes, 104,748 (50.19%) are in 9 counties, 8 of which were won by John Kerry.

http://web.northnet.org/minstrel/summary.htm

There are also 14,799 ballots still uncounted in the other 13 counties, according to the table above. No wonder Ohio Secretary of State J. Kenneth Blackwell is trying to slow down the counting of provisional ballots, and trying to delay the recount until after he certifies the winner. There needs to be a firestorm of protest to cause him to recuse himself, or a restraining order issued by the courts.

[glitch]

119. If they didn't already know they would lose a fair count they wouldn't

bother to run out the time. So obvious.
All their efforts to mock the vote betray their inner polls.

[Baja Margie]

91. I love Jesse Jackson.

[lovuian]

94. People we are going to have to get ready to walk the streets

and have a national strike!!!

[FloridaCrat]

97. Yes. Very important idea

I think a workers strike would be a very important thing to do. How about the day the Electoral College meets to make it official?

[maryallen]

98. Keep Hope Alive!

Thanks Rev. Jackson ...

[boi1946]

100. I will be there in spirit....

Thank you, Reverend Jackson! We need to e-mail him to thank him for speaking up for ALL OF US!

[Pepper32]

121. I agree! Worked for the Ukraine's. n/t

[boi1946]

104. KICK!

This need to stay on the top page...

[InvisibleBallots]

107. good for Reverend Jackson

about time somebody did something

[proudtobeadem]

108. kick

[goclark]

110. Rev. Jackson , "YOU Are SOMEBODY!!

We are lifting you up tonight.

Bless you and may God keep you and the marchers safe tomorrow.

[Vidar]

111. This is the best we've got going. Let's keep it alive.

In the face of all the silence on this issue, we have to applaud Jackson's courage and hope others join him.

[Kindigger]

113. Random outrage since I can't start threads

The Ukrainians can stand for three days in the cold, but WE can't.

People in the Midwest (from LTTE that I've read) state, "We are a hardy bunch. There are many times we've had to "buck up" and survive, and we will do it again." :puke: (Meanwhile, let's all have a Merry Christmas, and spend spend spend) Screw Christmas!

Question? Who's hardy? It must be a lot colder in the Ukraine right now.

WTF? I'm watching the US Farm Report. They just got done pointing out that "the Heartland won this election, and they expect great things for farmers." They seriously think the election was won on moral values=Heartland=greater support for farmers?

If that's what farmers really expected I think they're in for a rude awakening.

Cut food stamps? I know elderly people who live on bread the last week of the month. I'm disabled, but not elderly. I swallowed my pride, and went to the food pantry last week. What did I get? I got premixed milk from the Feed the Children program! Yes that's right folks, milk from a group that I associate with Third World countries. Out of sight out of mind? I guess I'll continue as I have been. If I'm left with two cans of peas at the end of the month, I'll give one can to my neighbor.

Even though it would hurt like hell, and take food money out of my pocket, I would drive to Ohio, and stand/sit in the cold in protest until I develop hypothermia. :grr:

Jesse Jackson, we may not be the same color, but you have always been a hero to me, especially now that we've ALL been disenfranchised.

And please... no one tell me for the gadzillioneth time, "If you are so poor, you'd give up your computer, and internet connection." I will leave my heat on 50, and put on ten layers of clothing, before that will happen.

Regarding another thread expressing the need to "start giving things up". I've been doing that long before I became disabled. For example, I graduated from college as a "non traditional" student in 1997. At the time I worked three jobs, and lived in a cabin on the river.

I chopped firewood for the wood stove. When it flooded there was no way out of the house. I carried my school/work clothes in a backpack, donned my waders, and rowed a small boat to the levee. I then walked two miles down the levee to where my car was parked. Sometimes in the winter I had to break the ice with my oar just to get there. I often did this several times a day. I lugged in drinking water like a pack mule.

Sometimes the water got so high it came in the house. I slept with my bed surrounded by icy water, and in the summer...swimming snakes. More than once a tornado came through, and took out the power lines, which would lay everywhere for several days. No way out. No phone. No water/pump. No refrigerator. No nothing.

Sounds like one of those stories your Grandpa used to tell huh? $50 for utilities, and the rest for buying clothes at Goodwill, food, gas, and paying for school.

Since becoming disabled, I've actually moved UP in the world. BTW, I graduated with a 3.985 GPA. If someone would show me a job where I can work during a relatively "pain free" day, and nap when I must, I'd be glad to take it.

Ask ME who will be the last woman standing. Tell ME how to get like-minded, able-bodied people to join me in my outrage?

Just tell me where, and when. PS. I'm not looking for anyone's sympathy. This is my reality.

:grr:

[goclark]

115. Wow! Such a powerful and honest post

If you can do it, we all can do it.

Let's March!

[glitch]

120. Rage is a beautiful thing when it is righteous. Welcome to DU!

I am postponing my rage until Dec 13, then I am sure no one is running a stealth investigation to expose the election fraud. I suspect a lot of people are doing the same. Patience is very difficult, especially when you feel you may very well be disappointed.
But after Dec 13th, we rage. Or, maybe we cheer.
:loveya: :grouphug:

[lonestarnot]

114. Light the Fire Jessie!

Someone in Ohio has to be interested in counting the votes and stopping the media blackout! Solicite email alerts from CNN under a selected email alert = "Ohio Election" "Vote Fraud Ohio" "Black vote suppression" as key words. Get enough, we get news from CNN???

[bufffbison]

116. Jesse Jackson Comes To Ohio To Seek Recount Of Presidential Votes- UPDATED

http://www.wcpo.com/news/2004/local/11/28/jessejackson.html

Jesse Jackson Comes To Ohio To Seek Recount Of Presidential Votes

Reported by: 9News
Web produced by: Neil Relyea
Photographed by: 9News
11/28/04 11:33:03 AM
This Wednesday, Secretary of State Ken Blackwell is expected to certify Ohio's election results.

But before that civil rights activist the Reverend Jesse Jackson will be making stops in Ohio to push for a recount.

[goclark]

118. What happened, was there a crowd?

[Imagevision]

123. Bev Harris BBV Update 11/30/04 intense!

NOV 30 2004: Today's lawsuit was filed naming Teresa LaPore as defendant, citing her for failure to comply with the Black Box Voting public records request of Nov. 2, 2004.

Black Box Voting filed the lawsuit this morning in Palm Beach County, served it per Florida law on LaPore's attorney. Black Box Voting then made a surprise visit to the podium at the Florida State Association of Supervisors of Elections meeting held today in Orlando, where LaPore was scheduled to make a speech on records retention.

Click on the link..Hollywood couldn't have pulled off issueing the subpeona's better then Bev Harris!...bar none!

http://www.blackboxvoting.org/#lawsuit2