Bush: World United Against N. Korean Nukes (mentions Iran)

[maddezmom]

~snip~
Bush also addressed the alleged nuclear ambitions in Iran, which is producing significant quantities of a gas that can be used to make nuclear arms. While Iran says it is only interested in generating power, the United States and its allies accuse Tehran of wanting technology to make weapons-grade uranium.


Bush lauded the efforts of European nations involved in diplomacy to persuade Iran not to pursue nuclear weapons.


"They do believe that Iran has got nuclear ambitions, as do we, as do many around the world," Bush said.


Iran last week agreed to suspend uranium enrichment and all linked activities in a deal worked out with Britain, France, Germany and the European Union (news - web sites). The deal, which goes into force Monday, prohibits Iran from all uranium gas-processing activities, as well as other programs linked to enrichment.

~snip~
more: http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=589&ncid=716&e=2&u=/ap/20041120/ap_on_re_la_am_ca/bush_apec

This is Deja Vu? The similarity to * march to war with Iraq is frightning.

[peekaloo]

1. It is scary. Using the same script just changing names.

Of course the presidential news networks all showed marching Koreans and Iranian's launching rockets last night as a precursor to DimSon's next misadventure.

x(

[jjanpundt]

2. In my nightmares I keep seeing the headline

Enitre World United Against U.S.

He's using the same phrases as the pre-Iraq invasion.

[radfringe]

3. Britain, France, Germany and the European Union

forgot about Poland :evilgrin:

look folks, it worked before -- no reason not to think it won't work again

booga-booga - Iran is next on the list

[livinbella]

5. That mutherf**er is gonna do it!

The hammering has already started.
"looks like the whole world agrees that they's crawdaddin'!"

[jjanpundt]

6. I guess I'm wishing for a miracle, but I do wish that our

military would just rise up and say Hell No We Won't Go. That would scare this shit out of the chickenhawks to realize the military can think for itself. I know it's hopeless to wish for something so bizarre, but I what the hell.

[maddezmom]

4. Newsview: Bush Admin. Builds Iran Case

By BARRY SCHWEID, AP Diplomatic Writer

WASHINGTON - The Bush administration is building a case against Iran with disclosures of a covert nuclear weapons program that carry echoes of the run-up to the war with Iraq (news - web sites).


Just as the campaign against Saddam Hussein (news - web sites) did not draw the support of all U.S. allies and strained trans-Atlantic relations, the administration is at odds with many Europeans regarding Iran.


While Britain, France and Germany are trying to work out an agreement in which Iran would terminate or dismantle its nuclear weapons systems, the administration is skeptical, saying Iran in the past has broken promises to stop enriching uranium.


On Monday, Iran is to temporarily suspend enrichment, but the deal still must be sealed in a detailed way in another round of talks planned for Dec. 15 between the European Union (news - web sites) nations and Iran.

more: http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=542&ncid=693&e=10&u=/ap/20041119/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/us_iran

[mpanno]

7. He's a broken record

just says the same thing over and over. Who was it that said,"Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it"?

[maddezmom]

8. interesting article:

When Democracy Failed: The warnings of history
by Thom Hartmann

"Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it." -George Santayana

The 70th anniversary wasn't noticed in the United States, and was barely reported in the corporate media. But the Germans remembered well that fateful day seventy years ago - February 27, 1933. They commemorated the anniversary by joining in demonstrations for peace that mobilized citizens all across the world.

It started when the government, in the midst of a worldwide economic crisis, received reports of an imminent terrorist attack. A foreign ideologue had launched feeble attacks on a few famous buildings, but the media largely ignored his relatively small efforts. The intelligence services knew, however, that the odds were he would eventually succeed. (Historians are still arguing whether or not rogue elements in the intelligence service helped the terrorist; the most recent research implies they did not.)

But the warnings of investigators were ignored at the highest levels, in part because the government was distracted; the man who claimed to be the nation's leader had not been elected by a majority vote and the majority of citizens claimed he had no right to the powers he coveted. He was a simpleton, some said, a cartoon character of a man who saw things in black-and-white terms and didn't have the intellect to understand the subtleties of running a nation in a complex and internationalist world. His coarse use of language - reflecting his political roots in a southernmost state - and his simplistic and often-inflammatory nationalistic rhetoric offended the aristocrats, foreign leaders, and the well-educated elite in the government and media. And, as a young man, he'd joined a secret society with an occult-sounding name and bizarre initiation rituals that involved skulls and human bones.

Nonetheless, he knew the terrorist was going to strike (although he didn't know where or when), and he had already considered his response. When an aide brought him word that the nation's most prestigious building was ablaze, he verified it was the terrorist who had struck and then rushed to the scene and called a press conference.


more: http://www.zverina.com/2003/0318.htm

[Todd B]

9. Is there anything that the dictator can say to make use believe that anoth

Is there anything that the dictator can say to make use believe that another war is necessary (or an imminent threat)? I mean he has already pretty much destroyed any semblance of credibility he might just have had.

I know I am probably being too optimistic, but I think that the media (and journalists in general) have an obligation to the public to really grill him on this situation since everything else he has done has been an udder failure (based on, well, lies).

Besides, if Iran has nuclear ambitions, can anyone blame them based upon Bush's reckless determination to invade foreign nations without just cause?

[AndyTiedye]

14. What WE Believe Doesn't Matter

The 29% who are hardcore Fundie Dominionists will back him anyway.
A lot of the rest will believe whatever the TV says.

They have learned to fool almost half of the people all of the time,
and they can steal enough votes to take care of the rest.

[newyawker99]

15. Hi Todd B!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[Todd B]

27. Thanks!

Hopefully I'll be able to make some meaningful contributions :) It's great to be among the 48% of Americans that actually have REAL values like compassion, tolerance for those who are different, and respect for human rights! :)

[leesa]

33. The foolish 51% that voted for him would believe the lie over and over

again. They do not ever engage their brains so it will be brand new all over again.

[madrchsod]

10. if bush makes a move into iran

russia will move everything it has into the area north of iran. china would use it`s economic power to isolate the usa even further.europe would break from any dealings with the united states. the dollar would crash on the world monetary markets. job losses in the usa would be in the hundreds of thousands. bush would face huge protests from every corner of the usa when hundreds of thousands of people are called up in the draft. is`nt that a wonderful future?

[TexasChick]

25. Yep! I feel so much safer with the Chimp at the wheel!! Just maybe if

this happens, perhaps the damn feeble-minded sheeple will wake the f**k up! Of course, I won't hold my breath for the fake Christians, who think its okay to blow the hell out of people and force Christianity on them!

[maddezmom]

11. reuters: Bush Warns Iran After Uranium Processing Reports

SANTIAGO, Chile (Reuters) - President Bush (news - web sites) on Saturday warned Iran of growing international concern over reports that Tehran is preparing large amounts of uranium for an enrichment process that can be used to make nuclear weapons.



"This is a very serious matter. The world knows it's a serious matter and we're working together to solve this matter," Bush told reporters during a meeting with Japanese Prime Minister Junichiro Koizumi in Santiago.

~snip~

Bush was referring to reports from diplomats that Iran was aggressively producing uranium hexafluoride, or UF6, days before a Nov. 22 deadline by which Tehran promised the European Union (news - web sites) that it would freeze enrichment and all related activities.

more: http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=574&ncid=721&e=2&u=/nm/20041120/wl_nm/apec_iran_dc

[maddezmom]

12. AP changes headline: to the remaining 2 "Axis of evil"

Bush Seeks Support on N.Korea, Iran Threat

SANTIAGO, Chile - President Bush (news - web sites) on Saturday tried to marshal international support to counter dual nuclear threats from Iran and North Korea (news - web sites), the two other nations of his "axis of evil."


Diplomats say Iran is producing significant quantities of a gas that can be used to make nuclear arms just days before it must stop all work related to uranium enrichment.


"It is very important for the Iran government to hear that we are concerned about their desires and we're concerned about reports that show that before a certain international meeting they're willing to speed up the processing of materials that could lead to a nuclear weapon," Bush said.


"This is a very serious matter. The world knows it's a serious matter and we're working together to solve this matter," he said.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=589&ncid=734&e=1&u=/ap/20041120/ap_on_re_la_am_ca/bush_apec

[maddezmom]

13. "A major concern in DC is that the intelligence is immature and may be as

A major concern in Washington is that the intelligence is immature and may be as faulty as previous estimates regarding Iraq's capabilities. If the intelligence estimate is confirmed however, than the information could become "clear proof of evidence" on Iranian nuclear capability.

Bush said Powell's statement was a "mistake" while other officials were less gentle, and were reportedly furious that he shared US intelligence with reporters. Powell's statement, furthermore, distressed the three European countries who signed an agreement to halt Iran's nuclear capacity last Sunday.

http://www.zaman.com/?bl=international&alt=&trh=20041120&hn=14027

[NYC Liberal]

16. In other news...

http://feeds.bignewsnetwork.com/?sid=d85108cac12a0ac5">Pentagon offers Pakistan $1.2B arms deal

And Pakistan is the one who sold nukes to Iran!!!

My head hurts.

[winston61]

17. why is anyone surprised?

To anyone who did not think this was coming, let me urge you to go to www.pnac.org and read the Empire's battle plan. If you hoped that the Iraq debacle was discouraging to them, then guess again. The neocons are chomping at the bit to invade Iran. What might be different this time around is that Israel may be involved. If you followed the news last year you know that Bush sold Israel the armaments necessary far an attack against Iran. Don't forget the Bill Kristol (Weekly Standard editor and loudest drum beater for the war) is an rabid hardcore neocon and also Jewish. His goal is the obliteration of all threats to Israel. And diplomacy ain't involved. Another reason I think that Israel is going to act is the possibility of an American military draft.The DOD is scared shitless of public opinion if a draft is activated. The way to get around this is to get Israel to help out. They already have mandatory national service. The shrub sees his 3% margin as a mandate to move ahead with the empire and it will be difficult to stop. Fox news has already started the drumbeat and it looks like Colin is in step with the program as well.

Why is when the shrub and the neocons get their panties in a wad about nukes, they never mentions shrub's re-newed nuclear weapons plan? New bombs, re-newed testing and a re-building of our America's own nuke arsenal? Because we are noble America and only we can be trusted to use them wisely? Bitch, please.

[maddezmom]

18. if you can stomach it, * speaking now on CNN 1:45 CT

[Rose Siding]

19. NYT front page "Bush Says Iran Speeds Output of A-Bomb Fuel"

SANTIAGO, Chile, Nov. 20 - President Bush increased the administration's pressure on Iran on Saturday, accusing the country of speeding forward in the production of a key ingredient for nuclear weapons fuel, a move he said was "a very serious matter'' that undercut Iran's denials that it is seeking to build weapons.

At his first summit meeting since winning re-election, Mr. Bush also tried to re-establish a unified front against the other nuclear challenge facing his second term: North Korea.

In back to back meetings with the leaders of China, Japan and South Korea here Saturday morning, Mr. Bush urged each to draw North Korea back into six-nation negotiations, while his aides played down informal intelligence estimates that the country has already produced enough plutonium in the past two years to manufacture six additional nuclear weapons.

http://nytimes.com/2004/11/21/politics/21prexy.html?hp&ex=1101013200&en=c204ae173ce461c8&ei=5094&partner=homepage

Simultaneously playing down NK, Just Like Last Time.

[maddezmom]

20. sweet jeebus, here we go again

and will the 51% that voted for him, go for this, too!!! I say yes, they love war and will feel safer having their "WAR MONGERING rPresident in the WH. :eyes:

[drunkdriver-in-chief]

21. Of course america has 10,000 nukes

And she's the only one to ever drop nukes on another country. So who is america to dictate nuclear policy to others.?

[0007]

22. Get ready for some Condi lies!

"The International Atomic Energy Agency has been visiting Iran regularly, and issued a report recently saying it had yet to find evidence of a weapons program. But it did not exclude the possibility. Mr. Bush's comments appeared to be part of what the deputy secretary of state, Richard L. Armitage, told Al Jazeera television on Friday was "kind of a good-cop-bad-cop arrangement" with the Europeans: to keep the pressure on Iran while Europe offers it incentives to give up the production of nuclear fuels."

[TexasChick]

23. What allies Chimp? Oh, that's right I forgot Poland! n/t

[Rose Siding]

24. Is Bush just trying to gum up the Europeans?

Does he want them to look inept? Wouldn't a statesman offer incentives...ways to gather others to him? Well DUH! But here he is, stirring the pot. WHY?

This only seems inept. It's calculated, but why? You can bet they are serving their own purpose here. To pull attention from CIA reform?

If they actually had New! intel about Iran, wouldn't Powell have quietly informed the European negotiators so they could apply it to their deaings? And why POWELL? Was it a tar baby he tossed the admin on the way out?

The potential for humiliation if this new intelligence is fraudulent is certain. They know something. It may lead all the way back to the Pentagon mole and Hersh's story about Israel charging that Iran was working in Iraq. Chalabi? He just teamed up with al Sadr. sheesh.

[54anickel]

26. Oopsie - changed the title to something less "scary" Now he Seeks

Bush Seeks Unity on North Korea, Iran


Guess someone thought it wasn't such a good idea for him to assume he speaks for the world!

[Deja Q]

28. 'As do we'. Says it all right there. Let's all make em or dump em.

But you can't use them, even though we can.

:crazy:

[and]

29. Iran/China/Wal-Mart

China has just signed a $70 billion oil and natural gas agreement with Iran and Iran's oil minister says that his country is China's biggest oil supplier:

http://en-1.ce.cn/Business/Macro-economic/200410/31/t20041031_2141305.shtml

The story this week on Frontline was Wal-Mart and the heavy reliance of its manufacturers on inexpensive Chinese labor and the importation of inexpensive goods from that country:

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/walmart/china/

The program also goes on to say that the U.S.-China trade deficit in 2004 will be $150 billion. At the port of Long Beach, CA alone $36 billion worth of goods is imported every year from China (with only $3 billion being exported).

The U.S. entering into a war with Iran is going to impact China's economy and probably Wal-Mart.

Iran may not have nuclear weapons but China does and the Chinese may use that leverage to protect its oil supplier.

Is Bush taking our country into a nuclear weapons confrontation with China?

[livinbella]

30. Whoa Nelly!

Why not just leave Iran alone!

[Lizzie Borden]

31. That would make entirely too much sense.

[leesa]

32. Nobody's united with Bush.

[Malva Zebrina]

34. Spins it to make people believe the world is on our side

I don't think so.

He is gathering all to his bosom without their consent, and they do not want the protection of his Kevlar vest, bosom protection.

They know he screwed up Iraq and has caused war crimes in his greed to dominate the world.

I think it is safe to say that. Obviously,almost the whole world hates him.

He and his loverly Laura, did not make such an overwhelming impression in Chile as they thought they would. He as usual played the clown, thinking that this "lovable personality" would get him over the hump of his evident unpopularity. I don't think that worked and I think he knows it. She got dressed up in her tablecloth again hoping to look like a Chilean, although I think that tablecloth wrapped tightly around her and tied in a great big ugly knot under her bosom came from Hungary or Czechoslovakia, and she appeared in her shiny white, glowing with pezzazz glitter, wrinkled suit looking like a woman past middle age who is trying to revive her looks as if she were twenty again,--she was all shiny, white and bright, and he was miffed because his paranoid Secret Service were not allowed to intimidate the attendees to that conference. Chile cancelled the state dinner(and that is a big deal) because of all that overwhelming security demanded by the little cowardly frat boy and his dumpy , vacant,desperate youth seeking wife, to protect them while they patronizingly graced the ignorant Chileans with their magnificent presence.