Bartcop and KO

[bow-tie]

I've been reading Bartcop for alot of years, and know he is a Hillary supporter because he thinks she can win, but when he goes after KO, that's crossing the line. http://www.bartcop.com/ comparing KO to Nancy Grace?????

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

1. If he really thinks Clinton can win...

then there's no point in listening to him.

[onehandle]

4. Thank you, comrade.

The Great Soviet appreciates your support.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

5. Have you accepted the four-sided harmonic time cube?

www.timecube.com

[Buzz Clik]

16. Can anyone read that crap? Talk about font abuse...

[Prisoner_Number_Six]

25. I have GOT to get some of whatever that dude's been smoking.

In a word: "Wow". :rofl: :headbang:

[seriousstan]

You link to a white-rights sight?

"All past Great Civilizations have been
destroyed by minorities, so welcome to
BLACK America - the white race now
destroyed by the power hungry money
grabbing politicition's edict that any
white complaint is racist and induces
fines and jail time for white objectors.
The U.S. Government is now antiwhite.
Integration equates to an appeasement
to maintain a status quo - postponing
the inevitable horrific racial conflict.
No law can mix night and day colors
in America's coming deterioration.
America is but another 'Tower of
Babble', beseiged by racial singularity. "

http://www.timecube.com/timecube2.html

[jmowreader]

39. Crack is not a good hobby

[onehandle]

2. Bartcop is the grandfather of liberal blogging.

He's a good guy even if he's not always "PC." Deal with it.

[trumad]

7. yeah---but he never quite made prominence and it's killing him...

You know he once was a member here and was banned.

[onehandle]

10. He's still linked to on the front page of DU.

And from many other blogs.

As he should be.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

12. Why?

He's clearly out of touch and not too bright.

[onehandle]

13. Those who do not follow the collective must be reeducated.

The Great Soviet will send him to the Eastern Gulags.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

15. So you haven't got any answer for my question.

OK.

[Mezzo]

31. your question assumes facts not in evidence.

but you already knew that.

Opinions are like wines, not everyone has the same tastes. You are free to disagree, but no one is gonna get in a pissing contest to convince YOU of anything. Nor should they.

If he's so bad, why's he still linked here?

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

43. It is in evidence.

Clinton hasn't got a prayer.

"If he's so bad, why's he still linked here?"

Low standards?

[Mezzo]

55. Clinton is not bartcop, but you knew that too.

[El Pinko]

54. Oh my god the elitism and snobbery...

Like YOU in all your wisdom are to be the arbiter of which democratic sites shall be linked to.

Should there be an "Obamite only" litmus test?



First of all, Bart is a steadfast democrat - one who has made his intention to support Obama if he's nominated abundantly clear.

And although he likes to downplay his own intellect, he's nobody's fool.



He lives in K-Drag (Oklahoma) and unlike a lot of people here, knows what democrats need to be saying to win there.

The fact that he's a diehard democrat and that he was one of Clinton's staunchest defenders during the impeachment mess is more than enough qualification to be listed in DU's links, IMO.

Did you know that the original name of his blog back in the day was "Rush Limba, Lying Nazi Whore"?


"Out of touch" with whom? The Obamites?

"not too bright" just because he has a different opinion from yourself?

:eyes:

[Rageneau]

18. BartCop won't sell out. If he'd bash the Clintons, he'd be a zillionaire by now!

To some people here, Olberman is some sort of a tin God. But as an experienced adult, I can see that that is only because Olberman says things that those people agree with -- which makes him right, which makes THEM right, which makes anybody else wrong and thereby makes them the enemy.

It's cultish behavior.

BartCop is right about Olberman. Nobody who reads what BC says about the situation can point out where BartCop says anything that isn't both true and justified. Olberman has stopped being a journalist and has become as much of a cheerleader for his side as Rush ever was for his.

Like Rush, Olberman no longer lets FACTS determine his thinking. Now, he's all into 'truthiness' where Obama is concerned -- which for some mysterious, I fear Satanic, reason, these days automatically translates itself into Hillary hate.

Bart has been around longer than any other liberal blogger. Every word he ever wrote is available for all to see. He has never been wrong in his opinions (to my knowledge) and he isn't wrong now.

Time will prove that.

[UTUSN]

21. You are one of those rare ones who speaks for me here n/t

[Ronnie]

24. I agree.

[Name removed]

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[jbm]

58. great post..n/t

.

[Mimosa]

52. Why was Bartcop banned at DU?

Why was Bartcop banned here?

I don't think he posts on his own forums under his Bartcop name. He probably uses another. I don't know what it is.

[grytpype]

8. He's still around, and the Horse is not... weak.

[gratuitous]

3. I broke with Bart over torture

He just couldn't seem (and perhaps still can't) to let go of the idea that there are times when torture could, would, and should be used. I corresponded with him about four or five different times on it, but finally had to tell him that I had to quit going to his site and contributing money to him over this.

I like Bartcop, but sometimes he gets a bee in his bonnet and can't get his head around an idea.

[G_j]

22. really?

sounds pretty sane to me, that's no bee that's the truth.
:eyes:

[annabanana]

23. Did you forget the sarcasm tag? Or do you

think torture works?

[G_j]

26. I took this to say Bart thinks torture is unacceptable, I totally agree

if that is the bee he has in his bonnet, I think that bee must be the truth.

sort of an obtuse way of saying it,
Sorry I wasn't more clear.
:-)

[gratuitous]

35. I stated it badly

He wouldn't let go of the idea that torture should be held in reserve as an option for dealing with terrorists. We went back and forth on it, but he maintained that torture should be one of the techniques in the defense arsenal for dealing with our enemies. I don't know if he still holds to this, but despite my flawlessly reasoned arguments (sarcasm alert) that scenarios like the ticking time bomb were ludicrous, he thought U.S. interrogators should be able to use torture. Just in case.

[G_j]

36. ah... thank you

Well then, I agree with you!
:applause:

not really familiar with Bart myself,

glad we figured that out..
keep up the good fight!

[tularetom]

6. Don't pay any attention to him - he won't see the truth

every other Democrat that voted for the IWR (and even some that voted against it) was labeled "pink tutu" and ridiculed for years. Hillary was given a free pass and even applauded for her "toughness" in standing up to the bush administration.

The site is funny at times and it's a good place to find photoshops, videos etc. But it's becoming less readable because of Bart's blindness to reality.

Also I'm not sure ol' Bart doesn't have some racial issues.

[sharesunited]

11. Bart does rightfully ask why Kerry was given a pass on the same Aye vote.

[springhill]

48. Oh my God............

You are accusing him of being racist? Based on what? That he thought Hillary was the better candidate? Talk about smearing someone. And oh by the way, even though he is a Hillary supporter, he never bashed Obama the way Hillary has been raked over the coals. And as he has stated,he is absolutely 100% behind him in the general election.

He, in fact, is about the only rational voice left when it comes to talking about the two candidates. Yes, he is a Hillary supporter, and he clearly states why, but he does not denegrade Obama while doing it.

There is no objectivity with Olbermann, and that's a fact. But then, I'm sure that's why you like him so much.

[underseasurveyor]

9. Bart.. Bart.. Bart

:evilfrown:


I too have read Bartcop for many years and by comparing KO to that vile nancy graceless he has in effect become exactly that which he has so often claimed to abhor.

Bartcop... shame on you :spank:

[1620rock]

14. Bart is one of the good guys...cut him some slack, he has stated that he will support BO 100%.

[underseasurveyor]

17. I still love ol Bart

I have disagreed with him on many things over the years but not ever to the point of writing him off.. he's by far too important to me.

However he's still not above the occasional spanking.. Believe me I'D LUV to spank him in person :evilgrin: with Mrs. Bart's permission of course lol

[WilliamPitt]

19. ...psssst...

Every time Bart slaughters a sacred liberal cow, all sorts of people click to his website to vent their outrage and give him both barrels of what-for.

That translates into traffic on his site, which pretty much pays the bills.

Bart and I go way back, and I usually dont get too worked up whenever he firebombs something I like or agree with. I'm never really sure if he means it, or if he's just torturing someone who pissed him off, or if he simply wants to get into an email flamefest to argue in defense of some bullshit he truly doesn't believe in.

But he defends his ground no matter what, whether or not he actually has that opinion, and he does it well, and that's the other purpose. Practice practice practice. He sharpens his claws on people who wade into combat to defend KO...or whatever.

And he gets the traffic. Fish. Barrel. Boom.

Bartcop is pretty much the first among us, the first anti-Bush page I ever came across, the page that showed me this place, the first guy who published my campy pre-9/11 bullshit. He's been in the watchtower every day, and I'm glad to know it. He may actually think that KO is just a leaky bag of rat's assholes, and he may even say it.

I couldn't care less. That man is a compass needle for anyone seeking true north. Heaving aside someone because they don't like your favorite TV guy, by the by, seems a bit rash anyway.

:toast:

[GrpCaptMandrake]

28. Well said, Will

But of course, well-saying is what you're good at.

I don't agree with Bart on Senator Clinton, either, but the intertubes are full of stuff I don't agree with. Heck, this site's full of stuff I don't agree with, especially during this primary season. Throwing the baby out with the bathwater is, however, counterproductive.

Bart could've knocked off a long time ago and spent his full time dealing with his medical condition. He hasn't done that. He's kept plugging, kept posting, kept, as he puts it, "hammering." For that kind of guts alone, staying the damned fight in the face of terminal illness, I'll stick with him even when I profoundly disagree with him. We need more, not less, of that kind of piss n' vinegar.

As far as KO is concerned, I think a lot of folks on our side are going to have a rude awakening when a Democrat's in the White House. Are we such political and media neophytes that we think KO and Jon Stewart will declare "Ah-ha! My work here is done, Citizen. I shall now retire Cincinnatus-like, to my plow"? Ain't gonna happen. There will be just as many barbs for Obama as there have been on the other side. And some on our side will have a perpetu-hissy.

Just like the line from the Godfather: "Tell Michael I always liked him. It was only business," it's all "business," in both the comedic and the capitalist sense, with America's For-Profit Media.


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[Missy Vixen]

32. Thank you, Will

I'm happy to say that we've met BartCop IRL. We were attendees at the famous "JulieFest", too. He's a good guy. He's been producing a blog since God was a boy. Plus, even if I sometimes don't agree with him, he's entertaining as hell.

Here's a shot of Chinaco for a guy who gives it his all.

:toast:
Julie

[WilliamPitt]

38. *gulp*

*wince*

...I...I...I can see through time...

*thud*

;)

[juajen]

47. Yeah, I love Bart too. I discovered him before I discovered DU

and I check in a couple of times a week, or more. I have never written to him, but I read it regularly. If I weren't so broke all the time, he would get any small amount I had before DU. Oh, well. I do send people there when I have the chance, so that'll have to do until my ship sails in.

[Mimosa]

51. KO isn't 'all that'

WilliamPitt, I agree with you:

"Heaving aside someone because they don't like your favorite TV guy, by the by, seems a bit rash anyway."

[truebrit71]

20. I've read him for years as well...not so much lately...too much irrational pro-HRC stuff...

...I still find him amusing (mostly) but he has become less and less relevant...

[springhill]

49. Oh that's rich...........

too much "irrational" pro-Hillary stuff, as opposed to the "rational" trashing she gets around here non-stop.

[Mezzo]

27. Oh yes!! GOD FORBID we disagree with "KeithO"

there should be a rule saying that "KeithO" bashing, or even disagreeing with "KeithO" at all for anything at all should be a reason enough to ban posters here at DU.

Mein!!!

[bermudat]

29. I found DU, Mike Malloy, and Randi Rhodes through Bartcop.

Bartcop deserves 'emeritus' status and everyone should lay off him. Everyone has a right to support whoever they please and if he wants to support Hills, so what? I am an Obama supporter, but I have never seen him go as vile on Obama as I have seen DU go on HRC. God, November can't get here soon enough so everyone will get back to their right minds.

[Mimosa]

53. If BC is loyal to HRC, good for him.

My hub used to work with Mike Malloy and was friends with him way before he was on radio. I think he lives in New York now. Is there an ATL radio station on which I can hear his show?

[bbgrunt]

30. Bartcop is like Kinky Friedman with brains---but

I could never figure out why he supported Clinton when as far as I can tell, she was just another pink tutu and never really did anything courageous in terms of legislation or votes.

[bmbmd]

33. Bart is the patron saint of liberal blogging

and the quickest wit on the internet. Like me, he was a Hillary Clinton supporter as soon as the dust had settled on 2004. And, like me, he remains a loyal supporter to the woman we still consider to be the best candidate. He's right on just about everything-except for the Dallas Cowboys and Tiger Woods.

[mitchtv]

34. Glad someone has the nerve to slap KO

It's getting ral hard to watch him anymore. I am no great Hillary Fan, but i get offended by his nasty sarcasm and mocking tone. He has really taken sides, unfortunately Obama was my 5th choice , just after Hillary. His special comment to attack a fellow Dem last month was lamentable. Seems like he's trying out for BO's press secretary. Watching MCNBC reminds me of the way the media treated Gore.

[FVZA_Colonel]

37. While I definetly disagree with him on Clinton

(it seems like it's coming close to a scorched earth campaign), I still have a great deal of respect for him and what he did for liberal blogging, and I always will.

[bow-tie]

41. What the fuck is wrong with KO?

What did he do wrong? Not fall over for Hillary? He puts more anti-right wing stuff out there than anyone else on TV. I can't believe there's so many KO haters here. Bartcop's stood by Hillary all this time because he thought she could win, not on her record.
It's just like it used to be here, people just waiting for something to argue about.

[El Pinko]

42. I've loved Bart for about 7 years now...

...and still enjoy him on occasion. I think his devotion to the Clintons is a little out of hand, but I think it's cool that there are still some loyal Clintonites - it's not like Obama doesn't have enough supporters in the blogosphere.

I get where he's coming from - he thinks that a lot of people hate Hillary simply for the sake of hating her, regardless of what she says and does, and he's right about that.

The level of hate for HRC is way out of proportion to anything bad she has done (and I was FURIOUS at her for voting for the IWR).

I think far too much of the hostility towards Hillary is based on trivialties like her voice, her gender, her stiff demeanor, her supposed sense of entitlement, etc.

She deserve a better treatment in the press and I think Bartcop is simply trying to provide a little balance. I'm sure he sees the way the winds are blowing RE the nomination, and is doing his bit to see to it that she is at least on the ticket.

As for KO - he's just a TV host, not sacrosanct, and it's a joke. Not a big deal.

Bart also put Gephardt and Biden in pink tutus. Don't doubt for a second that he would be rooting for them if they were the nominees.

I personally think Democratic party bigwigs should read Bartcop, because he gives a good insight into the way white, working-class heartland America views the democrats.

He chastized Kerry for his stentorian speaking style (Talk American!!!) and for his more foolish photo ops like the sperm/bunny suit, as well as his indefference to swiftboat attacks, and Kerry's camp ignored it to their detriment. Bart was 100% right about Kerry's atrociously-run campaign, and he's right about the ridiculous level of Hillary-bashing.

I'm 100% behind Obama, but I can't abide by Hillary-bashing. That's why I stay the hell OUT of GDP. How ridiculous that the supporters of two nearly ideologically identical center-right candidates should be at each other's throats!

[Locrian]

45. street

>>I personally think Democratic party bigwigs should read Bartcop, because he gives a good insight into the way white, working-class heartland America views the democrats.


Totally agree. I think bart may not have the most sophisticated arguments, but he is very good at "street" level rhetoric. He can get a point across in a few sentences while most uber sophisticates loose by drowning the opponent in dreary points / facts. Call it Liberal Fox type debate 101 but it works. If the media was 0.01% like bart we wouldn't be in this mess.

But yeah, some of the worship of "24" etc grows thin....

[AuntPatsy]

57. Why can't more Dur's voice their opinions as you have just done?

Thank you, though I am not a full supporter of either of them at this point in time, the bottom line is that a dem will get my vote regardless and all these ugly ridiculously worded thread bashers do nothing more than make this site frumpy and f r like......its embarrassing.

[bean fidhleir]

44. Didn't he announce some years ago that he had cancer

Or was that someone else?

[90-percent]

46. Bartcop

I like it. It's one of about five must read liberal sites for me - also DU, commondreams, buzzflash and other sites linked to this list. I'm a latecomer, having only read him the last five years or so. I wish I knew the origins of the site name!

I've always disagreed with him about Hillary. I'm disappointed he is harsh on Keith, but he's consistently said nice things about Frank Zappa, which means he will never be all bad in my book.

He helps me stay informed and gives my critical thinking ability a workout. Hell, there's been plenty of things I've believed that my critical thinking ability has allowed me to change over time.

I would never condemn him to death. And there's never going to be anybody that I could agree with 100% of the time anyway. Even if I found my long lost gentically identical twin brother!*

-90% Jimmy

*literary device only

[Mimosa]

50. Bartcop nation

The wittiest, most fun stalwart member of http://vincentandmorticiasspeakeasy14846.yuku.com/>Vincent and Morticia's Speakeasy the board I coadminister, happens to be one of the founding members of the Bartcop forums. I wubs him! LOL I tried posting on the Bartcop forums a couple of times but they are suspicious of newbies to the point of hostility. That pink grey colour and awkward way of navigating the forums is extremely daunting.

The posters on Bartcop forums represent the classic Democrat left, I think. A couple may be old as the hills. But they know a lot.

As for torture, Harvard Law Prof Alan Dershowitz is somebody I never would've thought would condone it. But under certain circumstances he does. I hope the whole world will outgrow acceptance of any form of brutality. Even John McCain said he will not condone torture.

[SammyWinstonJack]

56. Who cares? The PTB picked who we will vote for and the rest is theater.

Anyone who thinks that either Hillary or Obama will change anything... well you are delusional! We are being played....BIG TIME! It's a joke and the joke is on us!