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AnIndependentTexan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 02:48 AM
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Some good news from a friend of mine and information for Du'ers to look at
Hackers who were involved in this horrible CIA war dialer game have been called out, criminal investigations are underway with senators and "former" people who worked for the government. Its all exploding in a very ugly way they are doing traces to find all the perpetrators
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bobbieinok Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 02:51 AM
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1. 'CIA war dialer game' = what are you talking about????
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AnIndependentTexan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 03:04 AM
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6. I'll try to see if I can get them to make a post here about it
If not going to have to be patient about it or research. Activisms has more information on it then I do at the current moment.
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Karenca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 03:09 AM
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7. A war dialer is..
War dialers are an old, but still effective, method for breaking into another computer. A war dialing program
relentlessly dials
phone numbers, looking
for answering modems
that reveal a possible
entrance into a computer.
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bluetrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 02:52 AM
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2. yeah, more info please . /nt
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GetTheRightVote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 02:58 AM
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3. It is good news, if it is true

What is the story ??
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jsamuel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 03:00 AM
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4. I know you well, but this is one of those "someone I know said ____"
I hope it is true!
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pacalo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 03:04 AM
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5. Sounds intriguing, but we'd like to know
to which scandal are you referring? There are soooo many in this administration, you know. ;)
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Woo Donating Member (181 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 03:17 AM
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9. Aha..
This sounds really good --

Maybe they're rounding up the usual suspects to see what they know???

Should be pretty easy to get info on the gov side ...with all the people Bush is pissing off in the CIA and in other Depts-- there are going to be a ton of leaks -- can only be a good thing that the SOB is showing his hand before he even gets sworn in -- dumb dumb dumb.

Momma always said -- whenever someone tells you who they are, believe them.

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AnIndependentTexan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 03:11 AM
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8. they wanted me to post this It will help to understand
Edited on Tue Nov-16-04 03:12 AM by AIndependentTexan
Jeff Fisher sent a personal response letter, He also released some very big evidence

posted by Activisms at commongroundcommonsense online forum

"Please tell everyone that Jeff Fisher will not give up. I am posting a
letter that I sent to Ralph Nader today on my website. The letter is only
changed to protect the sender( who is afraid of being put in harms way) (the
FBI, Ralph Nader, Al Sharpton and Russ Baker of The Nation know the senders
name.) Its time that John Kerry and the DNC realize that this election was
stolen and Americans were virtually raped of their voting rights. The
website is "


"Re: xxxxxx (the Sender) see article
Cover-Up of 2000 and 2004 Florida Vote Continues
(Press release, and 11-1-04
For more statistical info, visit and click on the link labeled Surprising Florida Presidential Election Results. The data reveals that the election results are inverted/cross-party voting.

On July 27, 2004 xxxxxx showed me an email dating from 1999 which stated that a successful run of posting felons names to electronic voting went without any problem and leaving no audit trail. Mr. xxxxx also showed me information that it was done during the 2002 Florida Gubernatorial Democratic Primary as well. (Visit and click on link labeled Thank you Michael Moore from Jeff Fisher and Thom Hartmann). He then told me that due to this success and the improvement of programming that it would probably be used in the General Election on November 2, 2004. This was relayed to me on July 27, 2004 in the mid afternoon in a parking lot leading from a McDonalds to the local county library in the Kendall area of Dade County. He also mentioned to me that he was living in fear. He believed his family might be killed if they found out that he gave this information to anyone. I tried to get this information to John Kerry on many occasions through Charles Figley. All attempts were fruitless.

Additional information:
Regarding conversation with xxxxxxx

xxxx also told me that day (July 27, 2004) that hardware and software for voting systems such as Sequoia, ES&S and Diebold could be compromised via computer coding (source) that was perfected at Bay Point School(s) and other locations throughout the United States over the past few years. This was learned by the interception of inter office emails that were located within the computer network and hard drives. Mr. xxxxxx informed me that he was hired to secure their Internet and Intranet system. During this time of securing the system he became aware of pertinent information that was not erased from the system regarding the production and development of computerized manipulation procedures to use on a national level for the 2000 general election. He told me and showed me that the 1999 email verified that a test run was conducted for Florida only, and was a great success due to hiding any visible audit trail verifying the posting of votes from the felons list. He also told me that the purpose for the casting of votes by felons without leaving an audit trail was the easiest method because they knew that no one would be looking at the list with interest as a possible form of voter fraud. The perpetrators knew that it was going to disenfranchise thousands of voters throughout the state of Florida. When I asked him how that would be accomplished he said that would be done by computer source coding that would appear random to the average person yet it was to create under and over voting and create a bias toward a specific candidate. I was unable to attain these documents because, as xxxx explained, someone had been killed and he felt it could happen to him also or to his family. xxxxxx told me that he informed Dr. Piotr Blass of these facts and that they had yet to find someone whom they could trust with this information. He also said that he would, over time, show me more if I could prove myself to be reliable, loyal and trustworthy to Dr. Blass.

Later on during our conversation xxxxx showed me another email memo dated after the 2002 Florida Democratic Primary (Mid to late September) stating that the felons procedure was a success in the election of Bill McBride over Janet Reno and Darryl Jones. xxxxx also told me that he had recently read an email that he could not show me for security reasons and the threat of possibly being killed. According to xxxxx, this email would reveal new electronic procedures that were being perfected in other facilities out of state and would possibly be implemented in the General Election this fall. I asked xxxx what it was and how it could be done. He said that it was an intricate network that has been developed since the mid 1990s and it would take place in several states to divert attention from a centralized location.

In August, Dr. Blass informed me that he knew that xxxxx had knowledge of how the coding was being distributed throughout the United States due to xxxx being the MIS Director at Baypoint School. He told me that xxxx had revealed this information to him in bits and pieces in the early part of 2004 (Jan-March) via personal contacts at Baypoint. Dr. Blass also told me he was friends with Joe Klock even though he was made aware that Mr. Klock was allegedly having sexual relations with some of the male students.

During the month of October Dr. Blass was asking via email and on radio for financial support to free his son from Growing Together (see Rense article). His efforts were fruitless until approximately ten days before the General Election. Dr. Blass even had me advertise on my own website that if they contributed to my campaign I would donate 10% to the David Lopez Blass Defense Fund. Dr. Blass had my communications manager, Al Rogers, living in his home for several days promoting a petition to free his son, which would be given to Governor Jeb Bush. On Monday October 25, 2004, Dr. Blass informed me that he no longer needed Als services or mine, for that matter, because he had Joe Klock assisting him in the release of his son, and that he had received the needed funds. When I asked him from whom he received the funds he first stated to me that it was none of my business. Then, a few minutes later he told me his brother provided the funds, but to not tell anyone.

In late October, Dr. Blass informed me, while at Key College (Dania Beach, Florida), that he had spoken with xxxx again and that more information had been obtained as to how Bay Point School was getting additional funding for computer training and equipment in 2001 and 2003. Dr. Blass thought that it was interesting as that Ambassador Sembler was a key factor in funneling funds to Bay Point School via Joseph Klock as well as to Connie Mack and Michael Bilarakis. I asked him how he knew this and he told me that xxxx had told him in April or May of 2004.

Russell Baker (Nation Magazine) has interviewed Mr. xxxx on Nov. 12, 2004 and had Mr. xxxx verbally confirm that there is documentation regarding election fraud. Mr. Baker can be contacted at

Jeff Fisher has been in contact with officials, law enforcement, BBV and numerous investigators.....The evidence he has officiallized shows Peter Blass knew about the underground hacking schools, and out of loyalty to Rove and Klock would not come forward with it......Due to losing his senate seat and carreer Blass is coming out of the shadows
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jsamuel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 03:17 AM
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10. Sorry, That is a repost...
Edited on Tue Nov-16-04 03:18 AM by jsamuel
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AnIndependentTexan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 03:26 AM
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12. didn't know it was a repost sorry about that
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jsamuel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 03:39 AM
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13. No problem... There is a point where we might want to really take a look
at this, seriously.
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AnIndependentTexan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 03:52 AM
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14. actually I'll post below why you should seriously look into this
Like I said he did a lot more digging on it then I did.
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Woo Donating Member (181 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 03:18 AM
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11. Oh boy... here we go...
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truehawk Donating Member (797 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 10:23 AM
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24. They make the truth so weird it is unbelievalbe
10 years ago a friend of mine in the California desert stumbled on to something and was framed for a dialer in a closet dialing into the local Republican Campigne. A dialer she knew nothing about and a closet she had no access to, but they convicted her. She could not even afford the money they wanted to charge her for a copy of the testmoney of the trial so that she could appeal.

I only got bits because she could not talk about it, but the whole thing was very very weird. She did not go to jail though.
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AnIndependentTexan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 03:52 AM
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15. New information about it [THE SHOW IS JUST GETTING STARTED]
Edited on Tue Nov-16-04 04:17 AM by AIndependentTexan /

They tried to hide this from the public and the truth always comes out.....

A woman named Diann Kelleher may testify.....She works for Diebold...

Bay Point School, and possibly other schools like Cal Tech, were used and trained illegally by these criminals in order to help hack election databases.....Imagine common students being converted into thugs and criminals....We now know where the real absolute evil lies....Imagine if one of these hackers who's been found hacking verified voting and BBV is tracked down, and testifies against his whole group......


Nancy Pelosi's website is believed to be a false website. See link.
Is Fisher's?

That "lady" is on the head council of several boards and the investigators have said directly that they are, getting a hold of her.

It means they took names of felons and criminals and added them to the vote tallies, in other words, the taking of names of people who didn't actually vote or are registered to vote. Even numbers of criminals who were made up, as its part of the sime computer rigging on the election. So the "example" of a successful run is, a script that displays the felon's names in electronic voting repeatedly through-out the entire tabulator.
Also this alleged Caltech claim is based on CNN's "revised" exit polls and goes to debunk the previous UPenn ( Dr. Freeman) study that bases the earlier exit polls.

Also makes claims about the domographics of the early polls being weighted with by women mostly and democratic responders. The point about "women only" being polled is not true because the exit poll takers are trained to keep the tally ballanced. Meaning they stop asking women after they reach 52 percent and seek only male responders. And to dispell the issue of the democrats more eager to respond thn republicans, the randomized selection fo every 6th or 8th voter seems to debunk that you'd think. I guess that's why we see no names with "PHD" on the end of this report.


It all seems to get uglier and smellier by the hour.....

Katherine Harris makes decision

Bay Point College Reports

Dr Peter Blass adds information on his website /

Cirulating information points to strange connection for Ambassodor Sembler

I don't think this evidence was planted.....the depth of the reports is getting frightening....

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Computer Lab Rebuild Project
During January, 2004 the K5 main computer lab located on the West Campus was completely rebuilt and rewired from the ground up. In conjunction with IT services, Dade County Public Schools Alternative Outreach Program, twenty new computers, a new server, switching equipment, high speed networked printer, and educational software, were installed and networked for lab use. Students are afforded the regular use of state of the art hardware and software to enhance their educational experience.

Interestingly, the heads of the students shown in the photos on this page have been blurred while pictures elsewhere on the site have not. Why?
Interesting continuing story on the hacker coalition...

Expert analyzes how to hack the vote using a team of hackers in as simple as 1-2-3

There is also a letter adressed to Bev Harris, now on but the page has not yet been updated.
Found the real name of Mr. XXXX and was looking up some info he was working with alot of young african americans and poor whites, this is not good news...

Voting machines hacked: Logs showing modem activity
MONDAY Nov 1 2004: New information indicates that hackers may be targeting the central computers counting our votes tomorrow. All county elections officials who use modems to transfer votes from polling places to the central vote-counting server should disconnect the modems now.
There is no down side to removing the modems. Simply drive the vote cartridges from each polling place in to the central vote-counting location by car, instead of transmitting by modem. "Turning off" the modems may not be sufficient. Disconnect the central vote counting server from all modems, INCLUDING PHONE LINES, not just Internet. In a very large county, this will add at most one hour to the vote-counting time, while offering significant protection from outside intrusion.

It appears that such an attack may already have taken place, in a primary election 6 weeks ago in King County, Washington -- a large jurisdiction with over one million registered voters. Documents, including internal audit logs for the central vote-counting computer, along with modem "trouble slips" consistent with hacker activity, show that the system may have been hacked on Sept. 14, 2004. Three hours is now missing from the vote-counting computer's "audit log," an automatically generated record, similar to the black box in an airplane, which registers certain kinds of events."

Link to an african americans board they know alot about Bush....... (some of them...possible witnesses, go to school near Bay Point)
Uh oh Bush is into this thing stinky deep....He came up with the first program to launch full computer cyberwarfate

President Bush has signed a secret directive ordering the government to develop, for the first time, national-level guidance for determining when and how the United States would launch cyber-attacks against enemy computer networks, according to administration officials.
His brother owns the educational rights to the software

January 28, 2002
Neil Bush to introduce Web-based learning at local school
Neil Bush, brother of President George W. Bush, will be at Shroder Paideia Academy in Kennedy Heights Jan. 29 to introduce Ignite, a Web-based learning system.

Bush is the founder of Ignite, which combines a unique instructional design for teachers with Internet-based technologies.

According to Humana Health Plan of Ohio, the community sponsor of Ignite, the system builds on students' individual learning styles and strengths, letting them customize their learning experience.

His brother and Jeb are two of Diebold's highest contributors
But this is particularly weird to me because I worked on the campaign. I had a voter list from an outside organization (not Kerry camp) I had so many felons on my list that had NEW VOTER next to their name.

How do I know? Well, there was a large number of people at the same address and before I began to canvass by foot, I goggled it and came up with "Missouri Sex Offenders". No, I'm not kidding. I talked to the people at the facility and they said they can't vote. They are felons on parole. I could not get anyone to discuss this with me. No one would touch it. And there 3 pages of names. And this is just one small precinct. WoW."

Jeb Bush hired Joseph Klock to attempt to make it legal for all felons to be put on voting rolls.....Its been declared in an official press report.

Bush Paid off Florida Election Theft Helpers in 2000 with Jobs - in 2004 with FEMA Funds?
Stolen Election 2000
Right now, millions of FEMA money is being channeled to residents of Miami-Dade County in So. Florida where there was little hurricane damage. A pay off in advance to help Bush steal election 2004? Think that's far-fetched? Think adgain! The Miami Herald discovered in 2002 that Bush had lavishly paid off FLA operatives who helped him steal election 2000 with plum federal jobs: "Although they now serve Bush in sharply different roles, they are among more than 50 political appointees {this is OBSCENE!] found to have served as troops in the frantic Florida recount battle that followed the Nov. 7, 2000, election. Political patronage has long been a reward for campaign loyalty. But the distribution of plum jobs to those who worked in Florida after the 2000 election suggests that that service became a kind of political merit badge that carried a special benefit." And now Bush may be using a Florida tragedy as a source of payoff.

Jeb LIED About Felon Purge Warning
Jeb Bush

Florida's Herald Tribune reports Jeb "Bush said Friday that he was never warned about any problems before the list was released. But his denial contradicts a May 4, 2004, e-mail in which Florida Department of Law Enforcement computer expert Jeff Long describes how election officials told Bush the list needed to be abandoned. 'Paul Craft called today and told me that yesterday they recommended to the Gov that they 'pull the plug,'' on the voter database, Long wrote in an e-mail to his boss, Donna Uzzell. Long added that state election officials 'weren't comfortable with the felon matching program they've got.' 'The Gov rejected their suggestion to pull the plug, so they're 'going live' with it this weekend,' Long wrote." Jeb is lying - IMPEACH Jeb now!
According to the data search it shows the entire school was renovated....

Now to point out what I'm talking about: Blow up the picture using Photo studio. See that large black box outline on the bottom? That isn't a powerstrip, the power chords are going out the back of this area....Also there is wedged inbetween the routers, a wireless NIC card, and you can't see what brand it is which is why superimposing the picture is helpful


That isn't the same model of intellenet, if you look at the sharpened picture you can see it ends right on the door of the cabinet. The one in this obvious photo above would extend and keep going: It doesn't. That means that, the model in this picture is not matching of the models they are selling for Intellenet, the code on the front says the model number: It was blurred out but using sharpness contrast it shows a "T" model followed by a number of 2 digit

Bob G. is Al Rogers, that is simply his alias everyone already talked about it. Al Rogers is involved in this. Bob G. has absolutely nothing to do with Senator Graham, and I don't think anyone has contacted him at all.

More updates: Conversations from today
The stink gets so bad you can taste it

Parents fight Jeb's biased test, don't want Ignite! learning

Noelle Bush, daughter of Florida Governor Jeb Bush, was arrested by Tallahassee police in January 2002 and charged with trying to fill a fake prescription for Xanax. After entering a court-ordered drug treatment program, Bush was rearrested in July 2002 when a counselor found her in possession of unauthorized pills. In October 2002, an Orlando judge ordered her back to jail for another violation of her treatment program.

His own daughter sure liked the program......
When Students get USED by Ignite! learning

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AnIndependentTexan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 04:11 AM
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16. any DU'ers want to investigate this information?
Edited on Tue Nov-16-04 04:12 AM by AIndependentTexan
The person from that forum knows a lot more about it. I believe DU'ers are just as capable of understanding information as well. I would like to see what viewpoints you have on this. I'm just reposting the info!
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EST Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 04:13 AM
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17. Whew!
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GingerSnaps Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 04:42 AM
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18. OMG I posted something on this prior to this thread

I had people posting and saying that I was a tin foil hat wearer.

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Garbo 2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 06:43 AM
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19. Rogers reveals illegal coup of US to DNC & then complains about reporter?

The last thing that Mr. Rogers addressed to the DNC legal team was the unprofessional behavior and seemingly yellow journalistic practices of Palm Beach Post political writer, George Bennett. Mr. Bennett decided to report that he had talked with Jeff Fisher about his reasons for exposing voter fraud in Florida. The problem was that Mr. Bennett never spoke with Jeff Fisher. George Bennett spoke with Ben Roth and asked Mr. Roth if Jeff Fisher was doing this due to his loss to his republican opponent. Mr. Roth told him that was not the reason at all, and that Jeff Fisher was doing this because he had been shown evidence that the vote was going to be electronically manipulated back in July. The Palm Beach Post has been notified and asked to print a retraction. If the paper doesn't print a retraction then Mr. Bennett will be committing libel and the Palm Beach Post will be facing a lawsuit from the DNC for a libelous attack on a federal candidate.

The DNC will sue a newspaper for libel of a failed candidate because a reporter said he spoken to him when he didn't?????

Although I myself tend to favor the grassy knoll theory, this just doesn't sound like it's coming from a stable or reliable source.

Also, if anyone writes Mr. Fisher and happens to include personal phone numbers apparently one can be assured they will be plastered up on his website for mass appreciation:
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truehawk Donating Member (797 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 10:06 AM
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20. WOW, Certainly requires some hard checking
Great work
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truehawk Donating Member (797 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 10:08 AM
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21. I read some of this BEFORE the election
I just did not know what the source was.
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noiretextatique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 10:11 AM
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22. the vision i've had repeatedly
--rats jumping ship
--a severe shakeup to loose the remaining rat finks
--more rats jumping ship
--the big rats being led away in handcuffs
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Onlooker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 10:13 AM
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23. This is exciting
If hackers succeed in exposing electoral fraud, it will be by far the biggest event in hacker history.
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