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Humor_In_Cuneiform Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-01-06 08:30 PM
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Brad Blog: Wingnuts Concerned Re E-Voting- Hugo Chavez May Own Sequoia
This is kind of hilarious in a dark humor kinda way. :rofl:

Wingnuts Finally Concerned About E-Voting Since Discovering Hugo Chavez May Own Sequoia Voting Systems!But They Still Have Trouble With That Whole 'Fact Thing'...
Blogged by Brad on 3/31/2006 @ 1:36pm PT...


Meanwhile meanwhile... The Wingnuts have discovered they too should be concerned about hackable Electronic Voting Machines, as we find in this article posted yesterday over at RedState blog -- the site co-founded by serial plagiarist and disgraced former Washington Post blogger (for three days anyway) Ben Domenech -- concerning new ownership of Sequoia by Venezuelan firm Smartmatic.

Apparently, the writer is concerned about Electronic Voting Machines only now that he's realized Smartmatic may be owned or controlled or unduly influenced by one Hugo Chavez. He goes so far as to quote these words by another blogger in his article:

"It is extremely worrying indeed that a company with connections to the Hugo Chavez regime has been selected to run elections in a county of Chicago and given carte blanche to operate in the USA and other countries.


While we're glad to see the Wingnuts suddenly giving a damn about Electronic Voting -- now that they're concerned about their own ox being gored by a company which may have left-leaning ownership -- we're hardly surprised that the anonymous blogger who calls him or herself "AcademicElephant" (we'll presume it's a "he") didn't seem to have such concerns about another Voting Machine Company with "connections to the George W. Bush regime selected to run elections" all over our country in 2004 during one of the most contentious elections in our country's history.

But of more concern for the moment, now that Mr. Elephant has suddenly decided to be worried about such important matters as a transparent and accountable democracy, he sadly exhibits the all-too-familiar Wingnut tendency of having a problem with that whole pesky "fact thing"...."

http://www.bradblog.com/archives/00002632.htm

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FogerRox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-01-06 08:39 PM
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1. Kn R
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Somawas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-01-06 08:48 PM
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2. Think that maybe
the wingnuts will figure out that there definitions of torture might cause a little problem or two come the revolution?
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-01-06 09:33 PM
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7. Fear is the destroyer.
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kiteinthewind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-01-06 08:51 PM
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3. Too funny!!
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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NVMojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-01-06 08:52 PM
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4. this is laughable, when Repukes control the Sequoias in Nevada
including the ones in Vegas that don't have paper trails.
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-01-06 09:25 PM
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5. Oh, man, we gotta share this with the rest of the gang!
Edited on Sat Apr-01-06 09:25 PM by Kurovski
Fifth recommend.
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Wilms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-01-06 09:30 PM
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6. THIS IS HUGH(go)!11!
And come to think of it...

HUGO, SAVE US!

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drm604 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-01-06 09:36 PM
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8. I thought your post was an April fools joke!
But, after following your link, that doesn't appear to be the case. :rofl:
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AuntiBush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-01-06 09:49 PM
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9. Its OK Till it Hits Home
Hey, Wing-nuts... "how does it feel now, huh...?"

:kick:

Hysterical.
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FredStembottom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-01-06 10:54 PM
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10. May this PLEASE be the twist that gets GENUINE voting
reform rolling!

Pleeeeeeeeease :banghead:
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EC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-01-06 11:19 PM
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11. Yeah, this was reported in the Sun-Times yesterday, and I thought
gee, how wierd, that even when Chevez owns them, they still swing Republican...in one precint there were 57 votes - the Sequoia's counted only the 7 Republican votes and wouldn't retrieve the Democratic vote...they had to shut it down and retrieve the paper votes...in another county there were 50,000 votes the machines counted 150,000, but this was a race between 2 Republicans and the favored lost and is sueing.

So, I'm thinking there is something else going on here. Maybe a push back to Diebold? I figure there is going to be wierdness in all the blue states just to make sure Diebold is used. For some reason here in Wisconsin they certified Diebold, even KNOWING about all the problems and law-suits...(it's not over yet here though)
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Humor_In_Cuneiform Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-02-06 12:08 AM
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12. It's looking to be a very "interesting" election.
The Chinese curse, "May you live in interesting times," comes to mind.

At least if there is going to be chaos, it'll be nice to have some of it going potentially at least for the Dems and vs the GOP.

:rofl:
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Amaryllis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-02-06 12:37 AM
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13. kick
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mopinko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-02-06 12:39 AM
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14. worried about lefties stealing votes in chicago?
is he 5 years old, or has he just been hiding under a rock for the last 50 or so?
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fooj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-02-06 01:23 AM
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15. BWAHAHAHA!
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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nicknameless Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-02-06 01:47 AM
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16. They're also exposing what they *really* know to be true about the
e-voting machines. They REALLY know that they're very useful in defrauding voters.

Recommended
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Humor_In_Cuneiform Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-02-06 02:38 AM
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17. So true. If there wasn't a problem with the machines, they'd not worry
no matter who owned them.

They KNOW better.

:rofl:
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Memory Container Donating Member (108 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-02-06 09:41 AM
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18. No, they would worry....
because they'd LOSE elections.
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Humor_In_Cuneiform Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-02-06 10:12 AM
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19. WE know that. But in their illusion of a world, they actually
Edited on Sun Apr-02-06 11:02 AM by Humor_In_Cuneiform
won (wink, wink) all the recent elections.

So if there were no problems with the voting machines (wink, wink), they wouldn't have anything to worry about no matter who owned them (wink, wink).

Beware, do not attempt to adjust the controls. You have just crossed into the Neocon/Radical Religious Right world - The Non-Reality Based, NO FACT Zone!!!

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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-02-06 11:17 AM
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20. Finally
This whole issue is not meant to be an "Us versus Them" issue.

It is about what America stands for. Does it stand for honesty?

Do we have honest elections?

Do more now realize that the elections can be manipulated by the makers of the machines?

Is America finally taking off her blindfold? Lets hope so.
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happydreams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-02-06 04:32 PM
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21. This is great. Again Hugo throws a wrench in the fascisti plans
for world domination, but not by counting the votes his way. If indeed Venezuela is in control of Sequoia as described then this should bring the issue of voting machine reliability to the forefront on both sides of the fence.

If I had my druthers I'd rather have Chavez in control of the voting machines than these Dominionist nuts.
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1620rock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-02-06 05:07 PM
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22. Yeah, but they will just ban those machines and keep theirs. n/t
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-02-06 05:25 PM
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23. In Venezuela, they use Sequoia but with OPEN SOURCE CODE!
Maybe Hugo can get them to bring THAT idea north (along with some other South American ideas that need to move north).

They also have hundreds of OAS and EU election monitors crawling all over their elections. Another good idea.

But I thought Sequoia is a British firm. And, last I checked, the chief peddlers of their machines were former Repub Calif Sec of State Bill Jones (just prior to Kevin Shelley) and his chief aide Alfie Charles--a nasty bit of "revolving door" employment corruption. (Shelley forbade "revolving door" employment in HIS office--another reason they hated him--he couldn't be bought).

But I just got a kind of conspiracy theory thingy going off in my head (reverse tinfoil hat, and you start receiving useful thoughts, instead of having to protect yourself from fascist reptiles). It is this: I noticed a rather dramatic discrepancy in the Calif '04 election returns, between John Kerry, who won the state by a 10% margin, and Barbara Boxer (Senate), who won the state, in the same election, by a 20% margin. Now this discrepancy might have some reasonable explanations, except that ALL of the difference between Kerry and Boxer comes in Republican districts. Go figure.

In trying to puzzle this one out, I concluded that Republican election officials must have shaved some votes from Kerry (or it was done in the central tabulators only in Repub areas, since they could count on Repub officials not to notice), BUT, if they did this to Kerry, why didn't they ALSO do it to Boxer, whose opponent was, yes, you guessed it, Bill Jones (the same). And I got to thinking: why would someone who was helping Bush pad his popular national majority, not ALSO pad Bill Jones' defeat so it didn't look so bad (even if they couldn't reverse Boxer/Jones)? Answer: If Jones had done well against Boxer, Jones would now be a rival to Schwarz. And the Bushites support Schwarz (boy, do they ever!).

You might well arsk, why didn't Jones pad his votes himself? I don't know that he didn't. He may have lost even more miserably than it appears. But it may be that he isn't so crude (as, say, Karl Rove, Cheney and that lot are), OR, the main culprit was likely Diebold GEMS tabulators, and they are a Bushite corporation. I think there are a lot more Diebold/ES&S voting machines in Calif, and certainly they have more control of central tabulation, than Sequoia. So maybe it just wasn't possible to reverse Boxer's big win with only Sequoia machines.

I'm also thinking, who stands to benefit from Diebold/ES&'S disrepute (in the immediate future anyway, before we can ban them all)? And that is Sequoia. There may be a lot of in's and out's and octopus tentacles to this story.

:think: :think: :think: :think: :tinfoilhat: (consider wearing it upside down) :think: :think: :think: :think:
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-02-06 06:48 PM
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24. Now we understand! Maybe he can help us out?
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-02-06 08:41 PM
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25. Is that what it's come to...hoping our cheaters outcheat theirs?
Actually, I think that's EXACTLY what it's come to.

Go Hugo! If for no other reason than finally getting Amerika's corrupt "voting" system moving towards open accountability.

We in Amerika are in desperate need of glasnost.
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