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Wilms
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Mon Jan-23-06 08:55 PM Original message |
State Refuses to Release Public Records-Claims Diebold Data is Proprietary |
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Fredda Weinberg
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Mon Jan-23-06 09:31 PM Response to Original message |
1. I've examined the code |
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Wilms
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Mon Jan-23-06 10:02 PM Response to Reply #1 |
2. Pardon me? |
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Fredda Weinberg
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Mon Jan-23-06 10:47 PM Response to Reply #2 |
8. I said you're beating a dead horse |
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kster
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Tue Jan-24-06 01:27 AM Response to Reply #8 |
22. Yes, why does the |
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Fredda Weinberg
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Tue Jan-24-06 10:08 PM Response to Reply #22 |
46. It's not just a claim |
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Wilms
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Tue Jan-24-06 10:11 PM Response to Reply #46 |
47. Quotes and links will help move the discussion along. n/t |
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Fredda Weinberg
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Tue Jan-24-06 10:31 PM Response to Reply #47 |
49. See reply #26 |
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Wilms
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Tue Jan-24-06 10:51 PM Response to Reply #49 |
53. A printout? |
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Fredda Weinberg
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Tue Jan-24-06 11:02 PM Response to Reply #53 |
55. Access data is easily exported into spreadsheets or text files |
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Wilms
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Tue Jan-24-06 11:30 PM Response to Reply #55 |
57. And it was made clear why that is unacceptable |
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Fredda Weinberg
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Tue Jan-24-06 11:45 PM Response to Reply #57 |
58. Sorry, but the reasoning is flawed |
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Wilms
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Tue Jan-24-06 11:46 PM Response to Reply #58 |
59. And you're protecting Diebold why? |
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Fredda Weinberg
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Tue Jan-24-06 11:51 PM Response to Reply #59 |
60. Ah, the insinuations begin ... |
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OnTheOtherHand
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Wed Jan-25-06 07:05 AM Response to Reply #59 |
62. PMJI, I notice a certain family resemblance here |
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stickdog
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Wed Jan-25-06 07:10 PM Response to Reply #62 |
71. Why the FUCK do we need to justify public examination of the |
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OnTheOtherHand
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Wed Jan-25-06 07:15 PM Response to Reply #71 |
73. hello? what do you think _I_ have to do with it? |
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stickdog
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Thu Jan-26-06 03:59 AM Response to Reply #73 |
105. My point is simply that any database used to count the votes in |
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OnTheOtherHand
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Thu Jan-26-06 07:21 PM Response to Reply #105 |
138. sorry, I missed the question here |
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stickdog
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Fri Jan-27-06 06:21 PM Response to Reply #138 |
167. The train didn't leave the station. The state of Alaskan controls the |
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OnTheOtherHand
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Fri Jan-27-06 07:20 PM Response to Reply #167 |
168. no, you explain yourself |
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stickdog
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Fri Jan-27-06 11:14 PM Response to Reply #168 |
169. What the fuck are Diebold's proprietary claims based on? |
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kster
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Fri Jan-27-06 11:43 PM Response to Reply #169 |
171. This thread explains the secret vote counting controversy |
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OnTheOtherHand
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Sat Jan-28-06 10:59 AM Response to Reply #169 |
173. thanks for sharing |
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stickdog
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Sat Jan-28-06 11:55 AM Response to Reply #173 |
175. You may infer that NOT being able to inspect the mdb gives me |
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Fredda Weinberg
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Fri Jan-27-06 12:06 AM Response to Reply #105 |
144. Should isn't the issue here |
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stickdog
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Fri Jan-27-06 06:16 PM Response to Reply #144 |
166. Should is EXACTLY the issue here. The state of Alaska SHOULD |
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stickdog
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Wed Jan-25-06 07:06 PM Response to Reply #58 |
70. THE FACT THAT THE DATABASE IS BEING USED TO COUNT |
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stickdog
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Wed Jan-25-06 07:04 PM Response to Reply #55 |
69. It's a VOTE COUNTING database. What is your justification for |
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Fredda Weinberg
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Wed Jan-25-06 10:58 PM Response to Reply #69 |
82. Should be? Certainly |
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stickdog
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Thu Jan-26-06 02:27 AM Response to Reply #82 |
97. And you're fine with that? Do you think democracy is proprietary? |
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Fredda Weinberg
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Thu Jan-26-06 11:38 AM Response to Reply #97 |
112. You don't seem to be listening |
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galloglas
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Thu Jan-26-06 02:18 PM Response to Reply #82 |
121. A goddamned good reason |
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Fredda Weinberg
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Thu Jan-26-06 06:18 PM Response to Reply #121 |
131. New York hasn't had paper in a century |
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stickdog
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Fri Jan-27-06 02:34 AM Response to Reply #131 |
155. Lever machines are hard to rig and very difficult to rig en masse. |
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Fredda Weinberg
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Fri Jan-27-06 01:15 PM Response to Reply #155 |
157. Man are you wrong |
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stickdog
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Fri Jan-27-06 01:53 PM Response to Reply #157 |
160. Sure, there is systemic "fraud," just like there was with punch cards |
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Fredda Weinberg
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Fri Jan-27-06 02:16 PM Response to Reply #160 |
161. You don't know what you're talking about, but that's ok |
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stickdog
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Fri Jan-27-06 06:06 PM Response to Reply #161 |
164. Do you even know what an easter egg is? Do you know what a worm is? |
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stickdog
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Sat Jan-28-06 10:41 AM Response to Reply #55 |
172. Access data is also easily manipulated and easily transferred |
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kster
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Tue Jan-24-06 11:25 PM Response to Reply #46 |
56. This is not going to look good for Diebold |
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Fredda Weinberg
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Wed Jan-25-06 11:00 PM Response to Reply #56 |
83. Company property ... doesn't have to be secret but it helps |
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kster
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Wed Jan-25-06 08:00 PM Response to Reply #46 |
78. OK, but |
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Fredda Weinberg
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Wed Jan-25-06 11:02 PM Response to Reply #78 |
84. Government officials make this kind of decision every day |
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galloglas
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Thu Jan-26-06 02:26 PM Response to Reply #84 |
122. Government officials make this kind of decision every day???? |
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Fredda Weinberg
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Thu Jan-26-06 06:23 PM Response to Reply #122 |
132. Are you feigning outrage? |
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galloglas
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Thu Jan-26-06 08:14 PM Response to Reply #132 |
139. Feigned Outrage ?? |
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Fredda Weinberg
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Fri Jan-27-06 12:13 AM Response to Reply #139 |
145. A state can ... and did |
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stickdog
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Sat Jan-28-06 11:16 AM Response to Reply #145 |
174. Get off it, Fredda. Alaskan election officials are hiding what is probably |
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Fredda Weinberg
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Wed Jan-25-06 10:54 PM Response to Reply #22 |
81. The data is public and was offered as an export |
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Steve A Play
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Thu Jan-26-06 03:22 AM Response to Reply #81 |
102. False argument |
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Fredda Weinberg
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Thu Jan-26-06 11:43 AM Response to Reply #102 |
113. You don't know what a schema is, do you? |
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stickdog
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Thu Jan-26-06 04:30 PM Response to Reply #113 |
128. I'm a data architect. I know what a schema is. |
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Fredda Weinberg
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Thu Jan-26-06 06:32 PM Response to Reply #128 |
133. Thousands of qualified vendors for elections systems? |
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stickdog
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Fri Jan-27-06 01:41 AM Response to Reply #133 |
150. Come on. I could create custom Access vote counting by myself |
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Fredda Weinberg
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Fri Jan-27-06 01:40 PM Response to Reply #150 |
158. Come on yourself |
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stickdog
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Fri Jan-27-06 11:28 PM Response to Reply #158 |
170. Fine. You can get a single user Oracle license for about $10,000. |
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galloglas
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Thu Jan-26-06 02:27 PM Response to Reply #81 |
124. Which would leave us with |
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Melissa G
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Mon Jan-23-06 10:16 PM Response to Reply #1 |
3. This is not about code... This is about vote padding! Did you not read the |
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Fredda Weinberg
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Mon Jan-23-06 10:41 PM Response to Reply #3 |
6. Yes, I read it and the error can arise from two possible |
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Wilms
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Mon Jan-23-06 10:51 PM Response to Reply #6 |
9. I'm not following... |
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Fredda Weinberg
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Mon Jan-23-06 10:58 PM Response to Reply #9 |
10. The human factor |
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Wilms
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Mon Jan-23-06 11:00 PM Response to Reply #10 |
11. Thank you. |
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Fredda Weinberg
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Mon Jan-23-06 11:23 PM Response to Reply #9 |
15. There was no presidential recount |
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Wilms
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Mon Jan-23-06 11:27 PM Response to Reply #15 |
17. I might. |
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OnTheOtherHand
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Tue Jan-24-06 08:45 AM Response to Reply #17 |
25. OK, but by 100,000 votes in Alaska? |
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OnTheOtherHand
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Tue Jan-24-06 01:21 PM Response to Reply #25 |
27. oops, let me clarify that |
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Wilms
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Tue Jan-24-06 09:12 PM Response to Reply #25 |
33. Not sure I followed all of that... |
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Febble
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Tue Jan-24-06 09:30 PM Response to Reply #33 |
36. Looks like it. |
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Wilms
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Tue Jan-24-06 09:58 PM Response to Reply #36 |
41. Can you help me understand... |
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Febble
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Wed Jan-25-06 06:28 AM Response to Reply #41 |
61. A negative WPE |
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OnTheOtherHand
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Wed Jan-25-06 07:25 AM Response to Reply #61 |
63. no, not quite |
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Febble
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Wed Jan-25-06 08:03 AM Response to Reply #63 |
64. Sorry |
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OnTheOtherHand
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Tue Jan-24-06 09:42 PM Response to Reply #33 |
38. fair enough |
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Wilms
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Tue Jan-24-06 09:51 PM Response to Reply #38 |
40. Yes. The last thing I'd want to see is exit poll pie-fights about AK. n/t |
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OnTheOtherHand
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Wed Jan-25-06 08:23 AM Response to Reply #40 |
65. the pies would be hard as rocks (unless we wait for summer) n/t |
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stickdog
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Wed Jan-25-06 07:15 PM Response to Reply #15 |
74. Of course. Fraud is fraud. |
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Fredda Weinberg
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Wed Jan-25-06 11:05 PM Response to Reply #74 |
85. What I suspect is that the officials are telling the truth |
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EFerrari
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Tue Jan-24-06 02:28 AM Response to Reply #6 |
23. Psuedo logic. |
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Fredda Weinberg
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Tue Jan-24-06 10:46 PM Response to Reply #23 |
51. 2 sources? Machine or man |
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stickdog
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Wed Jan-25-06 07:20 PM Response to Reply #51 |
75. All machine counted voting systems are vulnerable without a |
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Fredda Weinberg
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Wed Jan-25-06 11:09 PM Response to Reply #75 |
86. You're not paying attention |
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stickdog
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Thu Jan-26-06 03:52 AM Response to Reply #86 |
103. I don't know WTF you are talking about. What is "Unprecedented"? |
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Fredda Weinberg
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Thu Jan-26-06 11:54 AM Response to Reply #103 |
114. I'm tempted ... |
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stickdog
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Wed Jan-25-06 07:13 PM Response to Reply #6 |
72. If it's fully secure and completely wonderful THEN WHY THE |
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Fredda Weinberg
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Wed Jan-25-06 11:11 PM Response to Reply #72 |
87. I suspect you want an issue - not the truth |
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stickdog
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Thu Jan-26-06 03:56 AM Response to Reply #87 |
104. I'm not an Alaskan. What I can't understand is why Alaskans can't |
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Thu Jan-26-06 12:01 PM Response to Reply #104 |
116. Deleted message |
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Thu Jan-26-06 02:58 PM Response to Reply #87 |
127. Why don't you |
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Fredda Weinberg
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Thu Jan-26-06 06:36 PM Response to Reply #127 |
134. Because you've descended into vulgarities and have ceased to make sense |
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galloglas
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Thu Jan-26-06 08:35 PM Response to Reply #134 |
140. Obscenity laced? |
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Fredda Weinberg
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Fri Jan-27-06 12:17 AM Response to Reply #140 |
146. I'm telling it like it is |
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galloglas
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Fri Jan-27-06 02:02 AM Response to Reply #146 |
154. I am happy |
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Fredda Weinberg
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Fri Jan-27-06 01:53 PM Response to Reply #154 |
159. What government appropriation? |
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galloglas
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Fri Jan-27-06 02:57 PM Response to Reply #159 |
163. No, as a matter of fact, |
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Fredda Weinberg
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Mon Jan-23-06 10:46 PM Response to Reply #3 |
7. Sure it's about code |
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Melissa G
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Mon Jan-23-06 11:03 PM Response to Reply #7 |
12. Okay , I'll wait for your response about the skew... Here is a link to |
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Fredda Weinberg
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Mon Jan-23-06 11:17 PM Response to Reply #12 |
13. This explains the 200% of voters casting ballots |
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Wilms
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Mon Jan-23-06 11:25 PM Response to Reply #13 |
16. The turnout statistics aside for the moment... |
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Fredda Weinberg
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Mon Jan-23-06 11:35 PM Response to Reply #16 |
18. Not this late |
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Wilms
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Mon Jan-23-06 11:38 PM Response to Reply #18 |
19. And thank you. |
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Fredda Weinberg
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Tue Jan-24-06 09:21 PM Response to Reply #19 |
35. I think I've got a handle on it, but I'll ask if you're not satisfied |
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Wilms
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Tue Jan-24-06 09:48 PM Response to Reply #35 |
39. Wow. those are all over the map. |
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Fredda Weinberg
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Tue Jan-24-06 10:04 PM Response to Reply #39 |
43. Mebbe, and I'm willing to ask an official but |
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Wilms
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Tue Jan-24-06 10:08 PM Response to Reply #43 |
45. I got the #'s off one of the stories that ran about this. |
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Fredda Weinberg
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Tue Jan-24-06 10:28 PM Response to Reply #45 |
48. That's what I was afraid of |
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Wilms
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Tue Jan-24-06 10:46 PM Response to Reply #48 |
52. Post a thread with their reply. |
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Fredda Weinberg
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Tue Jan-24-06 11:00 PM Response to Reply #52 |
54. Inquiry sent ... will start a thread if I get a response |
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stickdog
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Wed Jan-25-06 07:25 PM Response to Reply #48 |
77. So you don't trust the media to report the numbers correctly, but you |
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Fredda Weinberg
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Wed Jan-25-06 11:13 PM Response to Reply #77 |
88. The media is publishing the Democratic party's numbers |
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stickdog
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Thu Jan-26-06 02:29 AM Response to Reply #88 |
98. Which brings us to the point -- if everything's fine, why can't we see |
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Fredda Weinberg
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Fri Jan-27-06 12:19 AM Response to Reply #98 |
147. And my original point ... because the state signed a contract |
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kster
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Fri Jan-27-06 12:48 AM Response to Reply #147 |
149. Which is why States should stop buying these machines |
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stickdog
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Fri Jan-27-06 01:43 AM Response to Reply #147 |
151. If the state signed such a bs and probably unconstitutional contract, |
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stickdog
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Wed Jan-25-06 07:23 PM Response to Reply #35 |
76. And this is a GOOD reason NOT to examine the data structures |
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Fredda Weinberg
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Wed Jan-25-06 11:15 PM Response to Reply #76 |
89. The structure shouldn't be the issue |
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stickdog
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Thu Jan-26-06 02:32 AM Response to Reply #89 |
99. Don't you think that the database that COUNTS Alaskans' votes |
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Fredda Weinberg
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Thu Jan-26-06 11:55 AM Response to Reply #99 |
115. The database doesn't count anything |
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stickdog
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Thu Jan-26-06 04:37 PM Response to Reply #115 |
129. How do you know the database doesn't count anything unless |
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Fredda Weinberg
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Thu Jan-26-06 06:44 PM Response to Reply #129 |
135. You've never protected your source code? |
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stickdog
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Fri Jan-27-06 01:47 AM Response to Reply #135 |
152. Sure, I've "protected" my source code. What does that |
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Fredda Weinberg
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Fri Jan-27-06 02:55 PM Response to Reply #152 |
162. My schemas are as valuable as my source code |
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stickdog
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Fri Jan-27-06 06:10 PM Response to Reply #162 |
165. How can one guarantee that any specific spreadsheet is accurate |
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alittlelark
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Mon Jan-23-06 10:38 PM Response to Reply #1 |
5. Uh, yeah............... |
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stickdog
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Tue Jan-24-06 07:07 AM Response to Reply #1 |
24. So that's why we can't review this public information? |
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Fredda Weinberg
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Tue Jan-24-06 09:32 PM Response to Reply #24 |
37. Nuts ... there's plenty of data |
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Wilms
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Tue Jan-24-06 09:59 PM Response to Reply #37 |
42. Where are you coming from? n/t |
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Fredda Weinberg
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Tue Jan-24-06 10:05 PM Response to Reply #42 |
44. I'm afraid I don't understand the question |
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stickdog
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Wed Jan-25-06 07:01 PM Response to Reply #37 |
68. DEMOCRACY IS NOT PROPRIETARY!!! |
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kster
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Wed Jan-25-06 10:07 PM Response to Reply #68 |
80. " |
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eomer
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Wed Jan-25-06 09:20 PM Response to Reply #37 |
79. Professor Rubin did a study on Diebold touchscreen software... |
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Fredda Weinberg
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Wed Jan-25-06 11:27 PM Response to Reply #79 |
91. Talk about apples and oranges |
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stickdog
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Thu Jan-26-06 02:35 AM Response to Reply #91 |
100. THEN WHY CAN'T WE SEE THE DATABASE??? |
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eomer
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Thu Jan-26-06 06:23 AM Response to Reply #91 |
109. I found a transcript of Rubin's testimony 5/5/2004 before the EAC. |
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OnTheOtherHand
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Thu Jan-26-06 07:31 AM Response to Reply #109 |
110. but AFAICT Alaska didn't vote on DREs |
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Fredda Weinberg
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Thu Jan-26-06 12:08 PM Response to Reply #110 |
118. The HAVA hearings were covered by C-Span |
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Fredda Weinberg
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Thu Jan-26-06 12:04 PM Response to Reply #109 |
117. Nope, you didn't watch him |
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eomer
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Thu Jan-26-06 01:41 PM Response to Reply #117 |
119. Actually I did watch that hearing. |
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Fredda Weinberg
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Thu Jan-26-06 02:07 PM Response to Reply #119 |
120. Any mention of malicious code? |
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eomer
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Thu Jan-26-06 02:27 PM Response to Reply #120 |
123. Agreed that Rubin didn't say he had found any nefarious code -- |
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stickdog
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Thu Jan-26-06 04:39 PM Response to Reply #120 |
130. Who cares if Rubin found malicious code? The Alaskan Democratic |
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Fredda Weinberg
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Thu Jan-26-06 06:46 PM Response to Reply #130 |
136. Answered a dozen times |
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stickdog
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Fri Jan-27-06 01:49 AM Response to Reply #136 |
153. What I won't accept is your blithe acceptance of bs proprietary claims |
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alittlelark
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Mon Jan-23-06 10:36 PM Response to Original message |
4. deleted - response not to OP. |
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FogerRox
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Mon Jan-23-06 11:18 PM Response to Reply #4 |
14. Violation of OPRA ? Sue the fookers. like yesterday |
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Mon Jan-23-06 11:47 PM Response to Reply #14 |
20. R U a funny sort a fellow? |
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Mon Jan-23-06 11:52 PM Response to Original message |
21. I wonder if Alaska's highways are property of their asphalt contractors? |
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Tue Jan-24-06 01:06 PM Response to Original message |
26. Thanks for posting this. |
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Tue Jan-24-06 02:34 PM Response to Reply #26 |
28. Puh-Leeeze |
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Tue Jan-24-06 02:44 PM Response to Reply #28 |
29. I don't know what any of that means... |
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Tue Jan-24-06 02:48 PM Response to Reply #29 |
30. Sorry for the geekspeak |
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Tue Jan-24-06 03:58 PM Response to Reply #28 |
31. but I thought I had read |
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Tue Jan-24-06 09:16 PM Response to Reply #31 |
34. Actually, there may be something in the front end |
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Tue Jan-24-06 07:07 PM Response to Original message |
32. Alaska is the state that Cheryl Belluci of Triad Elections bragged about |
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Tue Jan-24-06 10:35 PM Response to Original message |
50. Kickin for Wilms and Fredda to finish their discussion..... |
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Wed Jan-25-06 03:43 PM Response to Original message |
66. One thing to keep in mind |
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Wed Jan-25-06 04:26 PM Response to Reply #66 |
67. Exactly, Private Companies using Private Code to count our votes |
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Wed Jan-25-06 11:26 PM Response to Original message |
90. This thread is bizarre! |
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Wed Jan-25-06 11:32 PM Response to Reply #90 |
92. There was no manual recount |
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Wed Jan-25-06 11:55 PM Response to Reply #92 |
94. This is even more bizarre than I thought. |
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Wed Jan-25-06 11:58 PM Response to Reply #94 |
95. 2 machine counts |
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Thu Jan-26-06 12:11 AM Response to Reply #95 |
96. OK, but how do we know the machines were programmed the same way |
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Fri Jan-27-06 12:24 AM Response to Reply #96 |
148. There happened to be a dual ballot election in most of the counties |
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Wed Jan-25-06 11:35 PM Response to Reply #90 |
93. Oh, and if the Bev H./Howard D. GEMS hack is suspected, |
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Thu Jan-26-06 02:41 AM Response to Reply #90 |
101. Democracy is NOT proprietary! |
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Thu Jan-26-06 04:51 AM Response to Reply #101 |
106. I'm saying I don't get this story...yet. |
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Thu Jan-26-06 05:04 AM Response to Reply #106 |
107. Sure, count the ballots. AND look at the database. AND figure |
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Thu Jan-26-06 05:30 AM Response to Reply #107 |
108. It's not. I frankly don't think intellectual property should come into |
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Thu Jan-26-06 08:56 AM Response to Reply #108 |
111. Bingo |
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Thu Jan-26-06 02:29 PM Response to Reply #111 |
125. I agree with all that, but then the fault lies with the state. |
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Thu Jan-26-06 02:51 PM Response to Reply #125 |
126. Excessive complexity... |
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Thu Jan-26-06 10:21 PM Response to Reply #126 |
142. It's a tough problem |
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Fri Jan-27-06 12:02 PM Response to Reply #142 |
156. That would be simplest |
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Thu Jan-26-06 10:07 PM Response to Reply #125 |
141. Exit polls... Exit polls .....Exit polls....!!!! |
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Thu Jan-26-06 10:24 PM Response to Reply #141 |
143. I agree. See post 142. nt |
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Thu Jan-26-06 06:46 PM Response to Original message |
137. This would solve the proprietary problem |
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Tue Feb-07-06 04:14 PM Response to Original message |
176. Well, Diebold has given in. Sorta. |
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