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IndyOp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-22-06 07:39 PM
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Did NSA help Bush hack the vote?
Did the NSA help Bush hack the vote?
Bob Fitrakis / The Free Press

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The Bush administration's utter contempt for the U.S. Constitution and the specific information we now know about its use of the National Security Agency (NSA) surveillance network should further call into question Bush 2004 'presidential election'. In a recent revelation, we have learned that the NSA shared the fruits of its illegal spying on behalf of Bush with other government agencies.

What are e-voting machines and central tabulators that pass the voting results over electronic networks from the internet to phone lines? No more than data easily spied on and tapped into. The Franklin County Board of Elections, for example, tells us that it was a 'transmission error' in Gahanna Ward 1B, where 638 people cast votes and Bush, the Wonder Boy, received 4258 votes. It's not magic, nor is it an accident or an act of God. If the vote total wasn't so hugely illogical, no one would have caught it.

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Would a president who believes he has spy powers, the right to torture, the ability to wage illegal wars based on bogus, manufactured intelligence reports, simply refuse to spy on Kerry and rig an election electronically? In Ohio, two burglaries occurred against the Democratic Party in Lucas County and Franklin County just prior to 2004 election involving computer theft.

Congress must investigate whether Bush used the NSA for partisan political gain during the 2004 election, and whether any NSA Bush operatives or other members of the security industrial complex had access to e-voting machines, central tabulators or the communication lines that delivered the voting results.
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NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-22-06 07:42 PM
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1. Oh, it's a tangled web they wove ...
... when first they deigned to follow Rove."

I think you're on to something ...
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IndyOp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-22-06 07:44 PM
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3. Mark Crispin Miller is tracking Abramoff money used for stealing elections
...now onto election theft and wiretapping.

Quite a web indeed... :grr:
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-24-06 03:56 PM
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15. Oh god. This is so much worse than even I thought. n/t
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NVMojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-22-06 07:44 PM
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2. I have no trouble believing this ...
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Sadie5 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-22-06 07:59 PM
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4. We always knew they were guilty of election theft
now we might have the proof we need. Throw in the spying and thats icing on the cake.
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FogerRox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-22-06 08:13 PM
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5. It may be that Having a few phone numbers would allow a small group of
Rovians- to hack the vote quite easliy, I'm not so sure they NEED the NSA to do this.

The NSA spying on Kerry would have allowed them to work with much more confidence, for sure.
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IndyOp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-22-06 10:16 PM
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7. Not sure they *need* NSA either - but damned handy, I would think.
Wouldn't you just LOVE to know what they had going on at Warren County, Ohio during "Election 2004" -- remember how the 'Homeland Security Alert' resulted in a lockdown?

:shrug:
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FogerRox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-22-06 10:35 PM
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8. Yes- handy indeed-- LOL
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kster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-22-06 09:14 PM
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6. K&R...nt
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f-bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-22-06 11:33 PM
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9. I'd bet the house on it!!!
and if it gets proved, I'd bet both houses on it!!!
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nicknameless Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-23-06 05:40 AM
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10. And:
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The recent revelations about hacking of Diebold voting machines and the findings of the General Accountability Office as to the insecurity of the e-voting networks cannot be separated from the presidents criminal use of the NSA to spy on American citizens. As much as we rejoice in the resignation of Diebold CEO Walden ODell and the pending lawsuits by shareholders against Diebold, it should not obscure the massive continued potential to hack the vote.

Both Popular Science and Popular Mechanics magazines ran November 2004 cover stories on how easy it is to hack the e-voting machines and their communication networks. In one famous cartoon, a teenage hacker was announced as the president.

This is precisely the type of game George W. and his He-man authoritarian boys club would engage in. Recently, Professor Steve Freeman of Penn spoke at a New York election reform forum and told the audience that a third of the Kerry voters who showed up in exit polls in rural Republican-dominated areas simply dont show up in the actual vote tally. Not just in Ohio, but throughout the nation.

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Nominated
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OnTheOtherHand Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-23-06 07:10 AM
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11. I doubt Freeman said that -- it isn't right
Edited on Mon Jan-23-06 07:13 AM by OnTheOtherHand
The exit poll discrepancies were actually lower on average in rural areas. (No stats have been made public on "rural Republican-dominated areas," whatever exactly those are.)

What Freeman probably said was that the average exit poll discrepancy in the precincts that were over 80% Bush was 10 points -- and so if you assume that Kerry officially got 10% of the vote in those precincts, you can estimate that he should have gotten 15% of the vote (a 10-point difference in margin), and so one third of his voters disappeared.

Freeman should not be saying that, either, because the average (official) Kerry vote in those precincts clearly is over 10%. Also, there are only 40 of them, and overall they don't really look a lot different than the rest of the sample. Four precincts with high discrepancies bump up the the average (mean) discrepancy -- the median is not very high. People can argue about what those four precincts mean, but they can't support inferences about "rural Republican-dominated areas... throughout the nation."

(EDIT -- omitted a word)
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Einsteinia Donating Member (645 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-24-06 03:33 AM
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12. Is Conyers on this?
n/t
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IndyOp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-24-06 07:10 PM
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16. I have no idea if Conyers has been aware/alerted to the possibility. (nt)
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Stevepol Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-24-06 09:11 AM
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13. Kick!!
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kster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-24-06 01:15 PM
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14. kick.nt
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Einsteinia Donating Member (645 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-24-06 11:11 PM
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17. About pressuring Congress, has anyone
put together a petition in that regard. That guy at The Pen has been great. I'm swamped, but I would distribute a petition if someone got one together. My New Year's resolution is that for every revelation, we must have a bit sized action to start chipping away..
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