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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 12:24 AM
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Here we go again...
From Anchorage's KTUU Channel 2 newscast tonight ...

Democratic Party questions 2004 elections results
Monday, December 19, 2005 - by Jason Moore

Anchorage, Alaska Its been more than a year since the 2004 election and the Alaska Democratic Party is questioning the states official vote count. Democratic Party communications director Kay Brown says the official results do not accurately reflect the district-by-district totals posted on the Division of Elections Web site. Some districts show more than 200 percent voter turnout.

Brown says in the presidential race, the states district-by-district breakdown appears to give President Bush 101,000 more votes than he actually received. State elections officials say the numbers are skewed because early voting for statewide races was based on regional returns rather than by district and they say a municipal election held in Anchorage on the same day also added to the confusion.

Its important to note that the information is accurate. Its just not being reported the way that the Democratic Party would like it, said Whitney Brewster of the Division of Elections.

We think the public has a right to clear, understandable and accurate reports about the election data and thats just lacking in this case, said Brown.

The Democratic Party has filed a public records request to get access to the states computer file to more closely examine the returns. State officials say they hope to have a better system in place for the 2006 elections.

http://www.ktuu.com/cms/templates/master.asp?articleid=...
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 12:26 AM
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1. Well now what? LOL
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Wilms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 12:31 AM
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2. Could this mean...??? n/t
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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 12:33 AM
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3. What I want to know is...
why EVERY SINGLE TIME the discrepancies favor the chimp. EVERY SINGLE FUCKING TIME. That should tell people something.
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 12:36 AM
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4. >200% voter turn out in some districts! WOW! Way ta go Alaska!
Tha't fucking amazing! Such partiots! Bet it was chilly that day too.
A-figgin-mazing.
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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 12:40 AM
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5. We're supervoters up here. hahaha
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 01:16 PM
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17. I was a precinct observer. I personally voted six times when no
one was looking. I say this even though it means my phones will be tapped and my e-mail read. BRING IT ON, AGENT MIKE!
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kster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 12:56 AM
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6. Its a MIRACLE !!
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Wilms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 01:34 AM
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7. Dang. That site wants name, rank, and serial #.

Can you give us a taste, kster?

Please. :)



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kster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 02:15 AM
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8. It was just a cartoon
but when I tried to do it the normal way the pic didn't show? When I click on that link it shows the cartoon. Any suggestions?
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Wilms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 02:19 AM
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9. I think you'd have to save it, and upload it to a photo hosting site...

and all that jazz.

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kster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 02:30 AM
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10. I don't know
if it was that good.
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kster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 02:50 AM
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12. Its a MIRACLE!!!
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Wilms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 02:31 AM
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11. Check my math.
Bush/Cheney _ Republican 190,889
@Votes stolen (w/GEMS?) -101,000

Leaves Bush/Cheney with @ 89,889
vs.
Kerry/Edwards Democratic 111,025

Would mean Kerry won Alaska, too.

http://www.gov.state.ak.us/ltgov/elections/04genr/data/...

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OnTheOtherHand Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 09:01 AM
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14. nothing wrong with your subtraction, but not likely Kerry won AK
The one Alaska pre-election poll (from September) showed Bush up by 27. He won in the official returns by about 26. (Bush led in the exit poll interviews by "only" 16.)

The news report seems to say that Bush is credited with more votes in the individual districts than he "actually" received overall. That suggests that some votes are somehow double-counted in the district totals. It isn't an error favoring Bush unless the _state_ totals are inflated, which the story doesn't say. But I don't see a more detailed explanation, and it looks like one would have to wade through 40 district PDFs in order to reconstruct the numbers. (BTW the story doesn't say whether Kerry likewise is credited with more votes in the district breakdowns than he "actually" received.)

http://www.ltgov.state.ak.us/elections/04genr/index.sht...
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emlev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 01:46 PM
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18. Your math
How unstealing 101,000 purported stolen votes would affect the totals depends on whether the votes were invented (in which case Bush's total would go down by 101K but Kerry's total would stay the same) or whether they were taken from Kerry (in which case take 101K from Bush and add 101K to Kerry, changing the totals twice as much). I don't see enough info on this thread (without following links) to determine which of those things may have taken place.

If you want to pull together a group of people to do precinct level analysis of vote totals, I can put you in touch with people who know how to do this.
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OnTheOtherHand Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 03:33 PM
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19. here is some very partial clarification
http://www.alaskademocrats.org/e-news/article.asp?Artic...

State's Diebold Computer System Mistotaled Votes in 2004

Numerous discrepancies are apparent in the votes tallied by the state's Diebold computer system. According to the Statement of Votes Cast by district and precinct posted on the Division of Elections' web site, a far larger number of votes were cast than the official totals reported in the statewide summary. For example, in the case of President George Bushs votes, the district-by-district totals add up to 292,267, but his official total was only 190,889, a difference of 101,378 votes.

"The Alaska results look like either gross incompetence or a bad hack job," said James March, an analyst with Black Box Voting, a nonprofit group that tracks problems with Diebold voting machines across the country.


Now, I'm reasonably sure that Bush didn't get 292K votes in Alaska. What else may've happened, I have no clue.
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katinmn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 08:54 AM
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13. It's strange how lackadaisical people are about stolen votes.
The states district-by-district breakdown appears to give President Bush 101,000 more votes than he actually received.

more than 200 percent voter turnout

Baaa-aaa-aaaa-aaa!


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nicknameless Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 09:04 AM
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15. At that rate, no wonder * did so well with the popular vote.
Another nom.

:kick:
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kster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 11:31 AM
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16. kick.nt
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Wilms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-21-05 01:46 PM
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20. .
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