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garybeck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-24-05 08:42 PM
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about those white stickers......
Edited on Wed Aug-24-05 09:35 PM by garybeck
I just want to mention/remind us all about those white stickers in Clermont County OH.

For those who are new, election observers saw white stickers on the ballots that were placed over Kerry votes. This was observed by several people during the recount. Affidavits including observations from several witnesses is here (PDF):

http://www.solarbus.org/election/docs/affidavits-clarem...

note, more than the white stickers are discussed in the affidavits. It's all very interesting, but to skip to the white sticker discussion, check these sections:

Page 1 section 4
top of PDF page 8 (scanned doc page 5 of 8 in the 2nd affidavit)
PDF page 16


For those who are not new, let's not let this story die! It is HARD PHYSICAL EVIDENCE of fraud.

If there actually were white stickers on the ballots, there had to have been an organized effort to make it happen. It could not have been done by a single person. Who was behind it? Who was involved? How did it happen? Where did it happen?

How can we keep this story alive?

What if we all send lots copies of the affidavit to the Ohio media to remind them of the story? Maybe someone will investigate it further. What if we call the Clermont County BOE and ask them about it? Would they just hang up on us?

I keep thinking, if there were stickers on there, a real criminal investigator would be able to find out how they got there. Once the ballots were collected by the voters, they should be able to track every movement of the ballots to the time and place they were seen with the stickers. They should be able to narrow it down to a few people who had to be responsible.

Ohio folks, is there any update on the situation with the stickers? I believe they are involved in at least one of the pending lawsuits, correct?

-gary
member, white sticker awareness society (WSAS)
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wli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-24-05 08:50 PM
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1. US elections are all Stalin-style rigged shams n/t
Edited on Wed Aug-24-05 09:24 PM by wli
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garybeck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-24-05 09:21 PM
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3. in Ohio they didn't have a lot of DREs so they had to resort to this
I assume you mean "Stalin?"
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wli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-24-05 09:25 PM
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4. yes, thanks. n/t
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MelissaB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-24-05 09:21 PM
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2. Can we send this to the greatest? I know we have a lot of newbies who
need to know this.
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Fly by night Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-24-05 10:59 PM
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5. Hell, yeah. If it's not the humidity in Clermont, it's white stickers.
An election con for every season in southern Ohio.

Kicked and nominated.
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-25-05 02:10 AM
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6. Well, that "humidity thing" , it was pretty serious... (Rec# 5)
Edited on Thu Aug-25-05 02:11 AM by autorank
The humidity crisis.

Then it happened: the humidity crisis. For pure drama, it could not have occurred at a more dramatic point in the vote tabulation. Of Clermont Countys 191 precincts, 100 had been counted. Then the Board of Elections announced that excessive humidity had caused ballots to swell, making them difficult to count. As a result, there would be a delay in the count. At this point, the election was dead even statistically, at 50% for each candidate. The 91 precincts in Clermont represented about 12% of the remaining vote. When the crisis was resolved, the 50-50% tie changed into a 52% to 48% victory for Schmidt.


Schmidt celebrates her victory election night.

In the period between the Voting Rights Act of 1965 and the 2000 Presidential election, this series of events would have attracted little attention. The spoilage issue was there every four years, but the problem was largely ignored. But starting with 2000 and continuing through the 2004 election, it became obvious that black Americans were no longer alone in losing their right to vote and have it counted. What better place to demonstrate this than Clermont County and the Ohio 2nd Congressional District, with its negligible black population in the both populous and rural regions.

Unanswered questions about the humidity crisis.

While the humidity crisis delayed vote counting at a key time, local media barely covered the event. Board of Election officials stated that ballots had acquired sufficient humidity in 91 out of 191 precincts to require a delay in the vote count. They pointed out that their optical scan tabulator was slowed by the humidity of the ballots. Few details were offered on that process. The Cincinnati Post and all the major television outlets, save one, the Enquirer, were silent on the issue. Ironically, the only coverage of the humidity issue on besides the Enquirer and a local television station was in National Review Online, the traditional conservative magazines online service which mentioned the humidity.

The NBC affiliate, Channel 5, said, The drama of a close race lasted late into the night. Schmidt led by less than one percent with 88 % of the precincts in. But she must have felt secure in knowing that the only uncounted precincts were in Clermont County, her home. (Updated 1:13 pm EDT, August 3, 2005). We hear about the drama of a close race lasting into the night, but nothing about what caused the drama. The cause was the ballots taking on humidity. MSNBC, fed by the Cincinnati affiliate, treated the climax of the race like a sporting event: With the home-field advantage, Schmidt dominated 58 % to 42 % in Clermont (16,162 votes to 11,689) and Warren counties (7,556 votes to 5,420). There was mention of the sudden stoppage of vote tabulation when the race was at 50-50% at 10:40 pm.

Only Howard Wilkinson of the Enquirer implied questions. He began his August 2, 2005, analysis by saying, The apparent win by Republican Jean Schmidt in Tuesdays 2nd Congressional District election was in no way shocking, but the fact that Democrat Paul Hackett made it a very close election is nothing short of astounding. Given the announcement of the final count by the time this was written, the use of apparent win might lead some to think Mr. Wilkinson has paid attention to the history of the 2004 Presidential election in Southwestern Ohio.

Wilkinson followed up on August 4, 2005, with an article headlined Clermont: Humid heat hurt count, not plotting. He opened with, Humidity held an edge over conspiracy in explaining a glitch in counting Tuesday nights 2nd Congressional District returns in Clermont County. He reported questions that had been raised on political blogs. He also spoke to Clermont Board of Elections official and Democrat Kathy Jones, who said that the humidity simply slowed the process of running the ballots through the readers. Senior Ohio Democratic official Michael Culp was quoted as saying, It was apparently just a matter of paper ballots getting damp in the humidity. The door was left slightly ajar when he reminded readers that Schmidts primary victory in Clermont County of 705 votes had multiplied overnight by 380% to a corrected 2,667 vote Clermont margin.

The Board of Elections explained the problem to the Associated Press on election night: Tim Rudd says the ballots pick up moisture when it gets hot, making it tougher for the optical scan machines to sort and count.

Questions not asked about the vote count stoppage.

The sudden stoppage of vote tabulation in Clermont was reminiscent of nearby Warren Countys Board of Elections citizen-media lockout during vote counting in 2004, which county officials claimed to be the result of a Homeland Security alert. There was no alert.

Was humidity the reason the optical scanning machine count stopped in Clermont, or was there some intelligent design? Humidity can impact the ability of optical scan counting machines to process paper ballots. It is not frequently reported and there are clear instructions providing easy remedies (e.g. air condition polling and tabulation facilities). The state of Louisiana made its 2003 RFP for voting machines contingent on tolerating a 98% humidity rate, for example. Air conditioning is reported to be widely available in Clermont County, as are dehumidifiers.

Why were 91 precincts impacted while 100 others were not in the same County?

Information about the locations of the humidity-impacted districts is unavailable. Was each of the 91 precincts without air conditioning? That would be a 48% rate of precincts exposed to conditions that the Board had to know could create problems. For them to announce problems with ballots due to humidity after the fact is remarkable. Certainly, they knew that humidity could be an issue. Just days before the special election there were extensive reports of a serious heat and humidity wave in the Cincinnati area. The regions largest newspaper, The Cincinnati Enquirer had been talking about the heat and humidity days before the election. Surely humidity on Election Day should have been taken into account.

Was there a one-to-one match between precincts with humidified ballots and precincts without air conditioning?

If so, why were nearly half of the precincts exposed to humidification? And if this is not so, if some of the 91 precincts with ballot problems due to humidity had air conditioning and some did not, how does the Board explain humidity problems in precincts with air conditioning?

Was Clermont the only part of the 2nd District that was affected by humidity that day and if so, why?

Clermont used optical scan paper ballots. Five other counties used punch card paper ballots, which have a similar or greater vulnerability to expansion or distortion due to humidity. There were no reports of problems in those five counties related to humidity. What is the critical variable that makes Clermont ballots vulnerable to distortion due to excessive moisture? Were precincts all air conditioned in the five counties that used punch card paper ballots? Was there something like an intense thermal inversion going on above the 91 precincts in Clermont County?

Why did the Board of Elections allow precincts to operate that lacked sufficient air conditioning to prevent humidity?

These questions need to be answered given the prior questions raised and documented about Clermont. The Board of Elections operates all year round. There is sufficient time to study manuals, attend vendor-sponsored retreats, and talk to nearby officials. Nearly half of the Clermont precincts had humidified ballots. A failure rate of nearly 50% is totally unacceptable performance for an election and offers the most unflattering commentary on those who are supposed to run it efficiently.

http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0508/S00186.htm
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DemReadingDU Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-25-05 05:58 AM
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7. We need an independent parallel system
whenever we go vote. That way we'll know for sure that the 'official' system was rigged. An example would be the election for the San Diego mayor held recently.
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farmbo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-25-05 07:29 AM
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8. Another reason for Kerry to stay in the Federal Court litigation
These ballots are required by law to be kept for two years. If they have since been destroyed, you might be able to turn the dupe on the Clearmont County BOE who was ordered to pitch them, under threat of criminal prosecution.

If they haven't been destroyed and had the stickers removed, then run them thru the tabulators again for God's sake. A different result will follow.

If per chance, the stickers are still on, then Judge Carr (USDC Toledo) needs to inspect the whole kitten caboodle.
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rosesaylavee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-25-05 07:55 AM
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9. Nominated and hoping
that the truth will out someday on this sham of an election...

Kerry won.
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AnarchoFreeThinker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-25-05 08:14 AM
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10. nominated
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lynettebro440 Donating Member (950 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-25-05 09:02 AM
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11. Kick this up
this needs to be heard.

:kick:
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-25-05 09:18 AM
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12. Gary, I will get links to the suit filed by the league of womens voters,
which was filed in Lucas County. The multitude of events that occurred in Ohio for the '04 election is mind boggling. The courts in Ohio, coupled with the GOP control state government has not favored us in this attempt to get answers and legal remedies. Look how they responded to John Conyers and the suits brought by Arnebeck, Fitrakis, Truitt and Peckarsky.

It might help to forward evidence to journalists who are willing to address this issue such as Paul Krugman.

Every time I think about Blackwell being a free man and in a position to do it again, I think my head will explode. Some of us in Ohio are hoping the exposure from the many GOP scandals will allow for the theft to be exposed. (This is why I have been focuing on Lucas County. Since the Noes were involved with the BOE and are at the center of the OH GOP scandals, if we can prove their involvement, we can get a favorable court (note 5 Republican OH Supreme Court justices have had to recuse themselves due to connections with the NOes.)
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garybeck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 01:27 AM
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18. question about Lucas
there used to be a report from Blackwell's office on Lucas Cnty. I know you know about it. the link to the document is dead now. Seems like Blackwell took it down. Did you save the doc or do you have a good URL For it?

thanks
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MadeinOhio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 08:01 AM
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26. Hopefully this helps you out.
Not sure how recent it all is, but here

http://rawstory.com/news/2005/Ms._Noes_Own_Scandal_Wife...
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garybeck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 07:25 PM
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24. hi, question
hey friend,
do you know if anyone in our 'community' has tried to approach Hackett? Do you know if he is educated about election fraud?

if not we should approach him tactfully. I think candidates are key.

gary
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garybeck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-30-05 09:59 PM
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25. oops, self delete
Edited on Tue Aug-30-05 10:00 PM by garybeck
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garybeck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-05 02:19 AM
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27. League of Women Voters suit?
mod mom,

do you have that link to the LOWV suit? I did a little searching and could only find info about a suit that was filed before the election. If there is anything still pending I want to make sure I've linked to it. thanks mucho --gb
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-25-05 12:11 PM
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13. Nominated. "Hard evidence".
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lala_rawraw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-25-05 01:18 PM
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15. Ah, there wree 7 statements, including Mr. Spraley
This article was written several months back and was part of "What went wrong in Ohio." this is not new news, what is new is that nothing has been done, which is why I went batty after the Hackett loss, because Clermont made the difference once again.
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lala_rawraw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-25-05 01:16 PM
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14. Yeah, let's not let it die ... and there were stickers
Because the footage provided indicated as much. You can keep this story alive by reading the article, contacting the BOE - Danny Bare, and better still, writing to the local press which took the actual article and removed any facts mentioned.

The update is that the FBI "looked into it and found no evidence of wrong doing" but did not manage to speak with any of the 7 witnesses who signed testimony and went on the record for the article.
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garybeck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 01:32 AM
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19. "found no evidence of wrongdoing"
how can they say they did any kind of investigation when they didn't question any of the witnesses?

I'm also wondering, I couldn't find the article that used to be on Blue Lemur about this. Do you have a link to any articles in your archives about the stickers when they were first discovered?

And if you know of any way to get the video of the stickers I'd love to add them to the Multimedia CD at http://www.solarbus.org/election/cd /

peaceout

gb

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lala_rawraw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 01:36 PM
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20. As for
The Raw article is on another server... we are currently redesigning our site and all of our archives are yet to be moved to our new server. That is why things seem to be "missing." Actually, I am trying to find a good data entry person to help the articles for the new archives... as for the video footage... because it belongs to a source and because I handed it off to the FBI right before I went to press with that article, there are some legal complexities that don't allow me to simply share it with you. PM me and I will contact the source and see if source is willing to be in touch with you.
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snot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-25-05 05:14 PM
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16. kick and nom'd -nt
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-25-05 09:56 PM
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17. Has Kerry ever shown any interest? I've always thought it was very
important as hard evidence for fraud.

Kerry needs to be reminded. He's not shown enough interest in ELECTRONIC FRAUD either, in my opinion. Getting more voting machines to shorten lines in Dem-heavy areas will not matter a bit if the votes can still be hacked.
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garybeck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 07:19 PM
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23. Kerry knew about the stickers and did nothing. n/t
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 06:22 PM
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21. kick - this needs more attention. And for a reminder of some of the
other glaring signs of dishonesty, see this thread;
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
Thread title: "Paging TruthIsAll" - an article - A blast from the past
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tommcintyre Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-27-05 08:24 AM
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22. Thanks Gary. This is one more story that slipped through the cracks. nt
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