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IndyOp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-23-05 03:29 PM
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Please Help! Vote siphoning from Kerry to 3rd parties in Minnesota
I need help finding info about election fraud to send to Mark Crispin Miller:

Last November I posted a very long piece on how votes appear to have been siphoned from Democratic candidates to 3rd party candidates in the 2000 and 2004 Presidential elections (link at very bottom of this post). It included information about Florida in 2000 and Ohio in 2004.

I did not include information about Minnesota in the post, but did email Minnesota data (shown below) to MCM last November. He did not respond until just a few weeks ago and wanted to know if I had any additional information to verify what I sent him.

My problem: I can't find the post/article/blog from which I took the Minnesota data! The only link I included in my original email to MCM was to a Global Free Press page that has a lot of links on it. I checked each of the articles and could not find it.
<http://inn.globalfreepress.com/modules/news/article.php... >

Maybe it is on GFP and I missed it. Maybe the GFP link is entirely wrong and I got the data from a different site. Maybe there is better source of data now. I am pulling my hair out trying to find it!

Note: I already have a link to the Minnesota SOS site showing the final vote tally. I need the data from election night - the data showing that Cobb, Van Auken, Calero, Harens, Nader were receiving 68% to 99% of all the votes they were getting in Minnesota Districts 5, 6, & 7 from District 6 (a Republican District). Sound suspicious to you? Me too. Also, if you read what follows you will see that David Cobb had 8,613 votes in District 6 sometime on election night, but only 521 votes in the final tally that appears on the Minnesota SOS site now.

If you can help me find the data I would be very appreciative (and very happy to credit your effort!).

Here is the data I sent MCM (and now cannot find):

Minnesota (Some time on election night '04)
Number of votes:
>District.........05.......06........07
>Cobb............644.....8613.......499
>Bush..........88664...173281....150449
>Kerry........229470...130584....113395
>Van Auken......72.....8268........69
>Calero...........84.....8275........39
>Harens..........246.....8414.......290
>Nader..........2471.....9911......2144

====================================

Here is the data in context:
The case for fraud in Minnesota

It appears to me that election fraud in Minnesota included switching votes to 3rd party candidates while the election was in progress - though the votes did *not* remain in the 3rd party candidates' final vote counts. (The votes that briefly appeared in the tallies of the 3rd party candidates may have been moved into Bush's tally later on election evening.)

The Minnesota results shown below suggest that vote switching was happening in District 6 (but not 5 or 7). District 6 voted Republican for the US House seat in 2004; while Districts 5 & 7 voted strongly Democratic. Possible conclusion: To keep national vote tallies for Bush higher than Kerry, votes for Bush in Republican-leaning districts were inflated.

Minnesota (Some time on election night '04)
Number of votes:
>District.........05.......06........07
>Cobb............644.....8613.......499
>Bush..........88664...173281....150449
>Kerry........229470...130584....113395
>Van Auken......72.....8268........69
>Calero...........84.....8275........39
>Harens..........246.....8414.......290
>Nader..........2471.....9911......2144

Data above expressed as percent of total votes received in all 3 districts by each candidate:
>District........05(D) 06(R) 07(D)
>Cobb.............7 ....88 ....5
>Bush............21 ....42 ....36
>Kerry...........48 ....28 ....24
>Van Auken........1 ....98 ....1
>Calero...........1 ....99 ....0
>Harens...........3 ....94 ....3
>Nader...........17 ....68 ....15

So, at some point on election evening, 88% of the votes David Cobb received in Districts 5, 6, and 7 were from District 6 - the Republican leaning district. Note, also that Cobb had 8,613 at some time on election night.

Minnesota (Now - 7/05 - link below)
Last Update was: 12/22/2004 2:51:51 PM
>District..........05..........06..........07
>Cobb.............656.........521.........626
>Bush............92797.....216574......180743
>Kerry..........237418.....161601......140332
>Van Auken..........76.........69..........85
>Calero.............87.........58..........47
>Harens............257........245.........364
>Nader............2558.......2323........2606

As percent of total votes received in all 3 districts by each candidate:
>District..........5 ....6 ....7
>Cobb.............36 ....29 ....35
>Bush.............19 ....44 ....37
>Kerry............44 ....30 ....26
>Van Auken........33 ....30 ....37
>Calero...........45 ....30 ....24
>Harens...........30 ....28 ....42
>Nader............34 ....31 ....35

Note that in the final vote count the 3rd party candidates got a greater percentage of their total votes from the two Democratic districts - which makes more sense.

Minnesota Presidential Election Results Now
(Last Update was: 12/22/2004 2:51:51 PM)
<http://electionresults.sos.state.mn.us/20041102/ElecRsl... >

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Siphoning Votes to 3rd Parties - posted on DU Nov-28-04 by IndyOp
<http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph... >


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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-23-05 04:11 PM
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1. I don't have the reference, but I do have a screen shot of the
funky totals (later corrected) from the sixth district, ca. 2AM.
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IndyOp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-23-05 04:32 PM
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2. LL - Can you post the screen shot here?
Or PM me and I'll send you my email so you can send the screen shot as an attachment.

Thanks!!
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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-23-05 10:26 PM
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4. I don't have a website to post things to, which is the only
way I could post things here.

I'll PM you.
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Melissa G Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-23-05 09:03 PM
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3. please post the data to this thread or pm me also
if you have access to it..
Thanks,
Melissa
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IndyOp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-05 10:47 AM
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11. The 'weird' Minnesota data is posted here! (nt)
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philb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-24-05 01:56 PM
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5. Could the problem be bad data in the preliminary results?
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Amaryllis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-24-05 02:16 PM
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6. kick
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Melissa G Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-24-05 08:43 PM
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7. kick
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Chi Donating Member (921 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-05 12:15 AM
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8. I believe this is yours....
Edited on Mon Jul-25-05 12:19 AM by Chi


Which is from here...

http://inn.globalfreepress.com/modules/news/article.php...

Which is on the continuation sheet from here (your original link)...

http://inn.globalfreepress.com/modules/news/article.php...

Please keep your links leashed to prevent future problems...next time it's going to the pound. ;-)

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IndyOp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-05 10:46 AM
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10. Thank you - Chi!
I was feeling quite embarassed about not being able to find this -

:yourock:
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Chi Donating Member (921 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-05 12:22 PM
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12. Glad I could help
"I was feeling quite embarassed about not being able to find this"

Been there, Done that, hated it.
8)
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Carolab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-05 12:42 AM
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9. IndyOp. I PM'd you about actions here in Minnesota.
Please respond. Thanks.
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