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Klimmer Donating Member (426 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-19-05 03:19 AM
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Talked with Bob Fitrakis in person tonight (6-18-05) at his book signing
Edited on Sun Jun-19-05 03:22 AM by Klimmer
in San Diego. It was a small intimate crowd since some other big Dem function was happening also tonight (hey to bad for them, because without our right to vote we have nothing). I had an opportunity to talk with him at length before his talk and bought his co-edited book and got him to sign it with a nice message. I asked several Qs then and during his talk along with several others. A lot of great information tonight, much of what I did not know. And I check into DU 2004 Election Results and Discussion a great deal.

The book:
"Did George W. Bush Steal America's 2004 Election?
Essential Documents
Edited by Bob Fitrikis, Steve Rosenfeld and Harvey Wasserman
Preface by Rev. Jesse Jackson
Includes the Conyers Report" (741 pgs. and the size of a telephone book. They have so much more evidence "approx. 10,000 pages worth" but had to go with the more important and relevant. They are thinking of coming out with a narrative edition and also a CD/DVD?)

Only $20 at the book signing, and all proceeds go to printing more copies. They were able to get the book out sooner and in larger numbers than they would have been able to thanks to the grateful gift of a donor from California. His goal is to get it into every elected officials hand at the Federal level and at the state and city level, particularly those who work in the election boards.

Much to say. I will try to keep it brief:

1) I heard it first from the BradBlogRadio interview --- and I asked about SOS Blackwell's two way computer central tabulator communication ability. I asked if he had a signed deposition from the technician who installed the system who has come forward, and he said "no". The reason being that this person has a very large contract and is in fear of losing that or his job. He said he is working with this individual to try to get him to come forward. (I got the impression that there are more technicians but no one is willing to go on record yet.)

2) There are many, many people who are coming forward and talking, yet they do not want to be exposed. Everyone is very concerned about retribution and losing their jobs, since it happened to the one board of election official already and she lost her job and soon after had to have brain surgery. Conyers is trying to help her, and get her covered under the Federal Whistle Blower Act.

3) How are they able to do this Fraud and where did they learn to do this? He said the CIA has a very long history of this very thing and are very adapt at it. They used to only use it outside of the country to swing elections in other nations, but now through the right wing Republican Neo-cons they have brought it home (importing it) and are boldly using these same techniques --- and there are many, it isn't just with the central tabulators, although that is the primary big-time method.

4) He believes the fix is already in for Schwarzenegger's called for Special Election in November here in California. God help us. But we now know how they do it, so we must prepare, educate, and fight. We simply can not vote on privately partisan owned secret propriety software and computers. VVPB on open source publicly owned computers is the way to go. (You all can argue that . . .later)

5) I asked during his talk did he send John Kerry a signed copy, and why did John Kerry not fight? The answer tomorrow on edit . . . since it is late and I'm tired. Don't you just hate that?

Ask Qs because those of us there we all asked a lot, and I may be able to say what he told us.



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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-19-05 03:25 AM
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1. Thanks for the report, Klimmer. Good job. Important book.
I assume you mentioned democraticunderground.com to him. :D
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Klimmer Donating Member (426 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-19-05 10:22 AM
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6. Yes, I signed in and gave them my contact info and said that . . .
I'm a member of Democratic Underground.com

I asked them, "Now, giving you this information does this mean little black unmarked helicopters are going to follow me home?" LOL

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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-19-05 01:26 PM
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13. kick
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Carolab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-19-05 03:25 AM
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2. Thanks for that report. See everyone? IT'S THE TABULATORS!
It does NOT MATTER if we get paper ballots UNLESS we get security in the COUNTING. The tabulators are THE NUMBER ONE problem!
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shraby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-19-05 03:26 AM
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3. Will they be going public any time soon
with what they know?
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Klimmer Donating Member (426 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-19-05 10:30 AM
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7. I'm not sure who "they" are? The people coming forward and not . . .
wanting to be exposed? If so, then I would say I don't know, but Bob said he is working on it. I hope so. They are heros if they do. Just think about it. These people are risking so much. Without fair courts of law, then what are the protections they or we have? I can understand why so many are reluctant. Your job, your security, your life is on the line without the law there to protect you. We know what the BCF is capable of. The life of a human being means nothing to them.
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intensitymedia Donating Member (101 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-19-05 03:35 AM
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4. Sorry I couldn't be there - Fitrakis' appearances are so important n/t
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Klimmer Donating Member (426 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-19-05 10:17 AM
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5. More on Bob's Talk . . .
Edited on Sun Jun-19-05 10:45 AM by Klimmer
5) I asked during his talk did he send John Kerry a signed copy, and why did John Kerry not fight?

Yes he did send John Kerry a copy and he is having copies sent to all of Congress.

The answer to the next part of the question was hard for me to hear and take. But I asked it --- I wanted to know. I'll be honest, I am a Kerry loyalist and apologist no doubt. But here it is . . .

John Kerry's top lawyer for advice in Ohio works for a firm that is owned and operated by Bush loyalists (I don't think he really knew that. If he did then that was very foolish). He did not get good advice. He was told that the little amount of election fraud that probably occurred would not be enough to make a difference. Bob said he believes JK did not want to win the Presidency only by electoral college and lose by popular vote. He also wanted to keep his options open for running in 2008. He did not want an ugly drawn-out fight that no doubt would have occurred, and at the time if you recall the Bush Admin stepped up the war effort in Iraq. No doubt on purpose to pressure Kerry to give it a rest. We all knew what the response would have been --- "We have a war going on, how can you act this way and be a sore loser. We have to support the troops now so get over it."

Bob Fitrakis did eventually talk to John Kerry at length over the phone and tell him everything he knew at that time (which was a lot of evidence proving fraud and a stolen election). He said John listened to everything not saying a word, and then eventually said something about the fraud in NM and how it was very evident, since where ever computers were used to vote by touch screen, John lost, but wherever they cast their ballots by hand John did very well. From what Bob said I don't know how that phone call ended, but I got the impression that JK just wasn't going to fight it.

And Bob also mentioned what Teresa Heinz Kerry said regarding election fraud changing votes via the central tabulator as reported in a newspaper and interview. So we know they know. But what are they going to do about it?

One thing that Bob F. admits to (and this is a very big hurdle to jump) is that the SOS Blackwell, the Republican party of Ohio, the State Troopers, and the courts in Ohio are all in bed together. All the courts are very partisan and stacked, and they couldn't get a fair trail. All four of the lawyers fighting in Ohio were being personally sued, and being threatened by the prospect of losing their law licenses. Bob admitted he could do just fine since he is a college professor and not dependent on law as his career, however the others were, so when it came time to sign legal documents, to safe guard the others Bob F. was signing them. They don't play fair. They will do anything to win. So that is how the book came about. Fine you don't want us to fight you in a court of law, we will publish the evidence and fight you in a court of public opinion and history will judge you. By the way the investigations are on going, they now have an office, and they are pushing ahead. There is still so much work to do.

One thing Bob said is that at some point Jesse Jackson told John Kerry directly, if you do not fight for all the votes then you will not be a viable candidate for 2008.

Bob F. reaffirmed that statement and position and the small audience cheered and clapped. I didn't. However, I realized right then in a big way that many are very upset with JK about throwing in the towel early.

I am more forgiving. But I do know now, that at some point soon John Kerry is going to have to apologize to the country and admit he was wrong for not fighting back. The bible on election fraud is now published and everyone who wants to know the truth will read it and know GW Bush is not the President but a fraud (2X over).

6) Bush and Carl Rove did indeed fly to Ohio together the day before the election or on the day of the election. I can't remember exactly what day Bob said.

7) On edit, Bob said that he has a eye-witness on record that witnessed Blackwell figuring out and doing calculations on paper near the end of the day the percentages that Kerry was ahead by, and where, throughout the state.

8) He also said the exit polls were correct showing Kerry ahead. And one of the tell-tale signs (historically) of election fraud is to have the computers tallying the exit poll data go down. Sure enough that is what happened, and the next thing we witnessed was Bush was ahead.

I believe the DSMinutes is a major opportunity to expose to the world how corrupt the Bush Administration and Bush Crime Family really is. If Conyers can prove during his visit to England the authenticity of all the minutes and memos that are being leaked, then we have them and impeachment process for the entire administration should begin immediately. In a fair court of law all of the election fraud can then be brought to justice, and if that can be brought to justice, then the truth about 9-11 can also be exposed and brought to justice. I believe one day this dark period of history will one day vanish from the face of the Earth, and this Fascist Radical Right Wing Neo-con Rethug movement we are suffering under will be vilified and be extinguished and anyone remotely involved will be exposed and removed. The movement will be bombed and destroyed and sent back to the stone-age and just like the Nazi-movement in Germany, we will all be the wiser and we should never ever let this happen again. I believe truth and justice will prevail, but there is a great battle ahead and a scorching fire we have to go through first.

John Kerry, admit you were wrong, apologize to the world for not fighting election fraud.

Now with DSMinutes --- you were lied to, congress was lied to, and we were lied to. Come out fighting when these Memos are authenticated. It is time to turn the Swift boat to the shore and charge!

:mad: Let's go get them!
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thjay Donating Member (120 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-19-05 12:43 PM
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9. Thank you for your report
and having such an optimistic point of view for how this will all come to end. I live in SD. I've been reading this forum on DU every day since 11/3/04. I really wish I could have been there last night to hear Mr. Firtakis speak. I was excited about seeing Conyers next weekend but understand that his traveling to London instead of SD is a good thing. Maybe he can find time to visit SD later in the summer.
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Kip Humphrey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-19-05 12:58 PM
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11. John Kerry: Your opportunity to correct your mistakes is here:
Attend the Election Assessment Hearing in Houston on June 29th and hear the findings from the work of thousands who responded to your calls to witness, investigate and analyze what happened in the 2004 election.

All DUers: Send this message to John Kerry. Don't let him slip away into the shadows of MSM silence. Let him know we are ready to report and he needs to be there to hear the findings.

Go to: http://kerry.senate.gov/v3/contact/email.html
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Melissa G Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-19-05 12:37 PM
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8. kick!
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Island Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-19-05 12:54 PM
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10. Thank you so much for taking the time to give us this report!
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GettysbergII Donating Member (664 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-19-05 01:25 PM
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12. Thanks, Klimmer, for the first hand news!
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