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garybeck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-22-05 01:10 AM
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YESS! Instructions and sample letter for FOIA requests from USCV
Have y'all seen what they just did at USCountVotes!?!

This is really GREAT! They have instructions, sample letter, and all the info we need to fill out Freedom of Information requests to get election data that could be used to PROVE FRAUD.

"USCV's suggested letter was written by a volunteer lawyer who successfully obtained the data in his state and thus revealed that the 2/3rds of votes cast on paper ballots in his state had completely different vote count patterns than the pattern of votes cast on paperless DRE electronic ballot voting machines!"

(anyone want to guess who that was?)

Let's all volunteer to help the USCV project!

Here are the links:

Sample Letter to Obtain Data from Election Office
http://uscountvotes.net/docs_other/FOI_letter.doc

State Freedom of Information Acts
http://uscountvotes.net/docs_html/info/US/FOI_Acts.php

What Data is Needed?
http://uscountvotes.org/index.php?option=com_content&ta...

Sign up to help with a state:
http://www.uscountvotes.org/index.php?option=com_conten...

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MeDeMax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-22-05 01:28 AM
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1. who ? n/t
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rumpel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-22-05 01:36 AM
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2. Thanks. I am already signed up, have not been able to do
much so far, yet.
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MeDeMax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-22-05 01:40 AM
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3. call me cynical...
do you really think they are just going to hand over data that:

a - incriminates them

b - proves they won by fraud

because a bunch of us signed a few petitions ? come on now.

things aren't based on the constitution anymore, they are based on - "the war on terror" & "threats to national security".


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kster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-22-05 02:40 AM
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4. OK
you are cynical. (You told me I could) answer to your question yes and no, if 100 FOIA'S are asked for and we get,lets say 48 yeses, thats 48 chances to get em..........NGU
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MeDeMax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-22-05 11:30 AM
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5. more power to you...

and everyone else joining this effort.

I do whole heartedly wish you success.


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garybeck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-22-05 03:55 PM
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7. it has already happened, my friend
Edited on Sun May-22-05 04:00 PM by garybeck
are you aware of the Snohomish County WA report that proves discrepancies between paper ballots and DREs? It was made possible because of a Freedom of Information Request.

are you aware of the incriminating evidence caught on video in Volusia County FL? It all began with a FOIA request.

The fact is that the fraud was at a higher level than the people who handle these requests. the people who will respond have no idea what happened in the election. the criminals have tried to cover their tracks, but they likely do not expect a nationwide effort like this. What we are seeing already is that the anomalities can't be covered up completely if you look at the precinct level data.

AS we all know, the debate about the exit polls will go on forever and there may not ever be any agreement, and it's not going to put anyone in jail. However when we look at the actual election data, there can be no dispute. When hundreds more votes than voters are found, there is no way to explain it with a "reluctant Bush responder" hypothesis.

Remember that one precint where there were thousands votes for Bush where only 600 people were registered to vote? There are likely other places like this that have never been noticed because we just haven't looked at the data close enough.

This is exactly what we need to take our case to the next level - a nationally coordinated effort to look at all the election results, involving number crunching experts evaluating the data, and volunteers like you and me helping collect it.

Even if they've coooked the books, and they give us phony data, it is possible that we can detect proof that they manipulated the numbers.

There is no reason not to do this. There is every reason to do it.
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FogerRox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-05 12:58 PM
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9. Do you mean the dumpster thing --in Volusia
Edited on Mon May-23-05 01:01 PM by FogerRox
with Andy that got Bob Urosevich fored

chuck chuck chuckle

Maybe just maybe I smell a smackdown comin

GO TEAM ! ! ! !
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garybeck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-05 01:52 PM
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10. yes i mean the dumpster thing with Andy
what are you talking about re: Urosevich?

my point is that FOIA requests do often lead to valuable information, and we should not pass up the opportunity to file them just because we are skeptical that we'd get the info we want.

the federal law states that all presidential ballots must be kept for 22 months.

the clock is ticking....
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FogerRox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-05 02:11 PM
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12. yes foias are great tools-- That a pattern may be Identifiable is awesome-
Bob was fired from Diebold Voting Systems in July of 04. Presumably because of what Andy found in the dumpster.
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garybeck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-05 12:51 PM
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15. wha?
the dumpster incident that I'm thinking of was in November or December...

if bob was fired, does that mean we can no longer say Urosevich brothers are high execitves on ESS and Diebold?
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adolfo Donating Member (525 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-05 12:54 PM
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16. Here are their options, cynical or not....
Edited on Tue May-24-05 12:55 PM by adolfo
a - They have three choices.

1) Deny the request and face possible litigation along with
penalties.
2) Falsify the record and hope no one find out. 
3) Provide the information requested.  

b - see above
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-22-05 12:08 PM
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6. Thanks for this post! Will do! n/t
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Febble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-05 07:06 AM
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8. This is what is needed
The NM data was very informative.

http://uscountvotes.org/ucvAnalysis/NM/NMAnalysis_EL_JM...

On the other hand, as I wrote the report, together with Mitteldorf, Baiman and Sheehan, you might want to take it with a pinch of salt ;)
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garybeck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-05 01:54 PM
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11. question about NM
has anyone considered filing a lawsuit against your BOE or Governor for clearing the memory from the voting machines? couldn't that be considered destroying the presidential ballots which by law have to be preserved for 22 months?

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emlev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-05 02:57 PM
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13. USCV needs similar letters for each state--lawyers wanted
Do you know anyone who could do this?
Have them contact:
kathy@uscountvotes.org
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adolfo Donating Member (525 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-05 12:35 PM
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14. Florida Information
Please feel free to take anything from our site.

Files: Public Records Request letter with statutory citations and mailing list,

http://www.recountflorida.com/modules.php?op=modload&na...


Data: Basic precinct election info for 2004. Still under construction.

http://www.recountflorida.com/ufed


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emlev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-05 01:10 PM
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17. Would you give this info to USCV?
You can do it via this link:

http://uscountvotes.net/public/ucv_select_info.php

I imagine they'll appreciate the resource.
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garybeck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-05 08:51 PM
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18. they do sort of provide the tools to do it yourself
the sample letter, and the links to each state's FOI laws. All you have to do is replace the reference to the law with the correct law for your state. I think the data we're asking for is the same in every state.
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