"This is not a proper area of inquiry." More than e-voting is proprietary.

[Amaryllis]

This is CRUCIAL information, people, every bit as crucial as knowing about e-voting fraud! There is another piece to this that most of us don't even know about, and that is the News Election Services, whose operations are "a proprietary matter not open to the public." You wonder why the media won't report on election fraud? Because they are part of it!

"It was possible to rig elections electronically in separate communities across the country, but until 1964 it was not considered possible to rig a national election. Then, in August 1964, News Election Service was created."

"It is safe to say that almost nobody in America is aware of the activities of NES on election night. The on-air scripts of each TV network during the years since the founding of NES have seldom, if ever, mentioned its existence. The silence smacks of collusion among press "competitors" to keep NES away from public scrutiny."
http://www.constitution.org/vote/votescam01.htm

This is an excerpt from the book "Votescam: The Stealing of America". I have posted two threads on Votescam already, and am going to try another with a different thread title since the others didn't take off.

This on the Election News Service:

Yet, not long ago, Robert Flaherty, the president of News Election Services (NES), the private company that compiles voting results and feeds them to the major media, was asked to make it clear how the NES system works.

As usual when asked about how NES counts and disseminates the vote, he replied:"This is not a proper area of inquiry."

Can it be that the methods used to accept, tally and broadcast the results of the American vote are improper areas for questioning?

"Yes," says Mr. Flaherty, "that is a proprietary matter not open to the public."

The book goes on to describe the secretive operations of the NES, and how they "fanatically guard their processes from public view."

Excerpt from: http://www.constitution.org/vote/votescam01.htm

Entire book here: http://www.constitution.org/vote/votescam__.htm

And, did you know that George the First won fraululently? That his campaign manager Governor Sununu's "computer engineering skills approach "genius" on the tests?" "This New Hampshire primary was perhaps the most polled primary election in American history, and in the end, the Republican voters in the state confounded the predictions of nearly every published survey of voter opinion." And guess how they did it? Computer fraud.

The two brothers who wrote the book came in the back door. The story of how they stumbled across the story makes for fascinating reading. They were promoters for rock groups such as The Doors back in the sixties. Then they decided to combine writing a book with running for office, having no idea the can of worms they would uncover.

[chomskysright]

1. I'm floating it to NC Verifiable Voting....maybe....

people can't see that this has been part of election fraud?

[Amaryllis]

7. You mean the part about Election News Service? THe book says

hardly anyone even knows about it.

[Peace Patriot]

2. Yup, we've got to fix this, too!

I say to hell with election day being a holiday. We need a week! And we can call it American Democracy Week. Everybody gets a week-long paid holiday, to vote and count the votes. Paper ballots. Hand counts. And we count every goddamned ballot in full view of the public at every precinct, then the precinct posts the result, and then, in the fullness of time, the results are reported and added up--and the goddamned news monopolies can goddamned wait for THE CITIZENS OF THIS LAND to TELL them what the results are.

[Amaryllis]

6. Peace, Have you read this article on voting rights groups blocking

talk of machine free elections?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss//duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=203&topic_id=330275
The more I learn, the more I say forget all these people who keep saying
forget about getting rid of machines, both for voting and for counting, because we aren't going to get paper ballots hand counted. Maybe there are methods other than hand counting that are more secure than electronic tabulators, but I have no confidence at this point that even the Holt bill would stop e-voting system fraud. Do you?

[Wilms]

11. I'm thinking Holt may get at it.

Do you remember the question of if the term in Holt's bill, "Voting Systems", covered tabulators???

Looking at the definition in "Voting Systems" in HAVA indicates:

SEC. 301.(b) Voting System Defined.--In this section, the term ``voting system'' means--

(1) the total combination of mechanical, electromechanical, or electronic equipment (including the software, firmware, and documentation required to program, control, and support the equipment) that is used--

(A) to define ballots;
(B) to cast and count votes;
(C) to report or display election results; and
(D) to maintain and produce any audit trail information; and


What do you think of "(c)"?

[kster]

8. And where is

it written that we need a goddamn concession speech over night. Whats the hurry ! I can certainly wait till we the people are satisfied fully, that the results are correct,week month what ever it takes.

[Amaryllis]

9. Right on! In countries with honest elections, they know from the exit

polls who won, so it doesn't matter how long it takes to count the ballots. Or so I've heard. Can't cite a source at the moment.

[Wilms]

3. kick n/t

[The Bear]

4. Important information!

Good work, Amaryllis. This definitely is important information for people to know, and just one more of many reasons why we need to demand paper ballots, hand counted!

[emlev]

5. kick

[Carolab]

10. Yes, I posted this about a month ago. Sickening isn't it?

The media have been complicit all along. Apparently there is reason to doubt whether the polls are conducted at all, let alone fairly. Apparently, the results are all just "made up" by the media. That's what NEP IS--the damned media.

The media have NO business in our elections. They do not need to KNOW and REPORT immediately. They only need to WAIT while those votes are counted and then they can post the results.

They should just BUTT OUT of the polling game too. Their biased polls are designed to influence the vote. We all know it.

I propose an initiative to KICK THE MEDIA OUT OF OUR VOTING PROCESSES!

[Amaryllis]

12. You mean you posted info on the NES or on the Votescam book? I didn't

see it. I think we need to have something on this up all the time and keep it kicked. This is my third thread on Votescam and none have really taken off. Guess you just have to get the right healine for the thread..How did yours do? This is just as important as fighting e-voting. I don't even know how to fight this.