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Amaryllis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-05 12:44 AM
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Amazing fraud site: Votescam: 40 years of election theft investigated.
Someone sent this to me right after the election and I've been trying to find it ever since, but couldn't remember the name. This is amazing stuff, guys! I had no idea computerized vote stealing had been going on so long.

http://www.votescam.com/home1.php

There is a book and a video.

VOTESCAM: THE STEALING OF AMERICA

Votescam is the culmination of a groundbreaking 25 year investigation into computerized vote fraud. A must read for anyone seeking to answer the question:
Why can't we vote the bastards out?

The answer is:
Because we didn't even vote the bastards in!

"One of the most mysterious, low-profile, covert, shadowy, questionable mechanisms of American democracy is the American vote count." -- Votescam

After uncovering a massive vote scam in Dade County, Florida in 1970, independent journalists James and Kenneth Collier spent the next quarter century investigating America's multi-billion dollar vote rigging industry -- and confronting the corporate government and media officials who control it.

The Colliers now challenge every American to answer a new question:

Who counts your vote?

The truth is, there is no way for you to know.
In fact, you are not allowed to know.

"Votescam" offers a wealth of FBI documented evidence proving that, for the past forty years, elections in the United States have come under the domination of a handful of powerful and corrupt people: Secretaries of State, Election Supervisors, Judges, owners and editors of the major media outlets, voting equipment corporations (like Diebold, ES&S and Sequoia), and assorted key members of the elections establishment, including the League of Women Voters.

These groups have assured the dominance of the two party system, unfettered corporate control over government, and media censorship of issues most important to the American people, including the cover-up of vote fraud evidence.

Go here for the first five chapters of the book:
http://www.votescam.com/chapters.php

They have some great articles I haven't seen:
http://www.votescam.com/articles.php

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porkrind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-05 01:28 AM
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1. I'll give it a read. Thanks.
Now that I think about it, it makes sense that this has been going on forever.
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dzika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-05 05:24 PM
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9. Audio - Interview with Victoria Collier, daughter of VoteScam book author
This interview was done after the Nov 2. 2004 election. She ties in techniques that have been used to steal elections for years to the 2004 election fraud.

Audio in MP3 format:
http://www.edwardsdavid.com/BushVideos/infidelguy.com_V...
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Amaryllis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-19-05 11:34 PM
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24. This is well worth listening to!
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NVMojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-05 01:55 AM
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2. alot of folks have known this and have been unable to do nothing
about it....amazing stuff.

Thanks for the post.
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Amaryllis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-05 11:48 AM
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7. We have the internet now, and a way to get information that we really
didn't have access to before, and to spread the word.
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sacxtra Donating Member (202 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-15-05 01:21 AM
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12. Most Folks Are not Listening
Edited on Tue Feb-15-05 01:27 AM by sacxtra
The Democrats that I personally know that are age 50-60
either

IF THE MainStreamMedia HAS NOT REPORTED IT. THEY ARE NOT AWARE OF IT.

WHEN PHYSICALLY TOLD FACE TO FACE,

THEY ARE NOT LISTENING (Some say they know about ballot stuffing and and tricks for YEARS, therefore they believe it will get corrected by someone else, and they REFUSE TO LISTEN TO ANYTHING!)

DON'T COMPREHEND THE ISSUE

DON'T CARE

REFUSE TO BELIEVE

ARE TOO LAZY TO TAKE ACTION, THEY THINK SOMEONE ELSE WILL FIX IT

And a giant portion do not even know how to use a computer. Let alone join an email list. Or search.



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emlev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-05 02:42 AM
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3. kick
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Helga Scow Stern Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-05 02:56 AM
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4. I just heard about this form someone else tonight. I am glad you posted it
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garybeck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-05 03:02 AM
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5. amazing that this has slipped through
I wish they had a sample of their video online. looks like they have some of the book available for free?

agreed, the article list is very good too.
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Amaryllis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-05 10:16 AM
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6. See original post for link to five chapters in the book.
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porkrind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-15-05 01:25 AM
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13. So I read through them, and I wonder what Janet Reno said
that scared that guy so bad. Anyone know?
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Amaryllis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-05 04:29 PM
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8. Slipped through what, Gary?
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bush_is_wacko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-05 09:29 PM
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10. My research has indicated that this is probably closer to the truth
than just two stolen elections. I think education and computers are highlighting this issue as never before. There are implications that Nixon wasn't really the bad guy. I am still reading up on that situation but I am starting to believe the real bad guy's have never been known to the public. The middle level and low level ones have, but not the upper echelon. The implications are terrifying. I'm not sure Hitler Nazi-ism ever really went away. I can't figure out any other way to put it. Nazi-ism may not be the right word, but it's as close as I can come. Class-ism doesn't quite cover it!
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Amaryllis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-15-05 12:23 AM
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11. So who are the real bad guys? I haven't done more than skim the votescam
site. Have to put off till later any serious reading.
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bush_is_wacko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-15-05 02:41 PM
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15. As I said, not sure they are publicly KNOWN, I'm currently reading up on
Edited on Tue Feb-15-05 02:43 PM by bush_is_wacko
the Nixon impeachment. There's an old book called "Without Honor" by Jerry Zeifman. I managed to get hold of through a used bookstore. It is the first book I've ever read that says Nixon was never really investigated far enough because there were many Democrat's and Republican's that were afraid too much investigation would lead to uncovering a shit load of OTHER crimes that have been going on in our government since before Hitler. Political assassinations is the current implication, but I am only about a third of the way into the book. I think America KNOWS our government has approved and performed political assassination but maybe not back then.

I decided to look for this book just after hearing that Nixon's secretary had died. She actually testified that SHE erased the missing however many minutes it was of tape. With Arafat, Saddam, Reagan, microbiologists, and scientists, politicians, secretaries, etc., etc., suiciding or accidenting or dying of natural causes all over the world at this time in history there MUST be something going on. it is just hard to link all these things together, but all the players, all those that knew what went on back then except for the few we KNOW are players in this mess it just seems really strange.

The fascinating thing I'm getting is all the CURRENT players who were also involved in THAT episode in history. Tip O'Neill, Bill and Hillary Clinton( she wasn't married to him yet), John Conyers, Sun Myung Moon (The Reverend Moon or should I say nut case), Trent Lott, I'm sure there are more and of course Wolfowitz, Cheney and Rumsfeld were all there. The CIA was formed back then and GHWB was involved there.

Haven't gotten far enough to do anything other than be curious, but I can tell you I think the Clinton impeachment was "payback" for something and they still couldn't find any REAL goods on the guy. If Clinton could be impeached for lying about a blow job, I am not sure how any of the current administration members and the previous Bush administration members got away with what they have done.
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Amaryllis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-15-05 04:55 PM
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16. Here's some more shady connection stuff around Kerry's investigation
of the BCCI scandal. No wonder they wanted to bring Kerry down.

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/features/2004/0409.sir...
Follow the Money
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bush_is_wacko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-15-05 05:26 PM
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17. This brings up a question for me.
it is at least somewhat clear to me that this administration is backing the Euro over the dollar (Thar's one of the reason's I refuse to convert my money into Euros, despite the fact i can clearly see it is a wise investment) . do you think they could be doing this in order to avoid the traceable aspect of money? I'm not sure if that is even a consideration. I suppose accounts can be traced in MOST places and investigations can still be done but I am outraged to see my government devaluing it's own dollar.

There are some real sickos in charge and I just don't believe they are ALL in the White House. I see no purpose to what they are attempting to do other than to hurt people. I'm sure I am missing something but really it just seems like pure unadulterated evil!

BTW, one of the reasons I voted for Kerry is his ability to put the TRUTH over his career. He has taken some pretty big chances and even Nixon was a little worried about Kerry. He actually said so on one of those tapes.

I do believe Kerry and some of the other's the administration and the whacked out thugs in Washington continually harp on are trying to get information out to the public and get this administration to stop.

\all the naysayers about Kerry have either forgotten or never really heard what that man has accomplished on his own and at great risk to his career, and I think, his life.

I'm certain he hasn't changed his way of doing things because he "lost an election." I'm also certain he doesn't really believe he lost, but he KNOWS he would be flayed alive if he made those allegation out loud and pursued them in the spotlight.
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Amaryllis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-15-05 07:33 PM
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18. Still wonder if he really knows the extent of e-voting fraud, and have
heard some things that indicate he may not know. Hard to say without an inside source. What you just said about them backing the Euro over the dollar just made a lightbulb go off in my head.

Obviously they stand to gain financially somehow by doing this.
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Kansas Wyatt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-15-05 10:26 PM
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20. Before the election, Bush went to the U.N. to suck-up....
For pissing everyone there off. The MSM was covering it, just to show how Presidential Bush was.

That very same day, John Kerry appeared for a news conference. In Kerry's news conference, he said that when he was President, he was going to follow the money of the terrorists just like he had done in the BCCI scandal.

Is this the reason why the official vote counts did not match up to the exit polls on election day, because the powers that be, did not want John Kerry investigating and exposing a major fraud on the American people?
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Amaryllis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-15-05 10:43 PM
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22. Just one more reason added to many. Valerie Plame, etc. There are
so many things that Bushco could have been investigated for, but I think
just keeping themselves in power because that is what corrupt people do is the biggest reason.
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bush_is_wacko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-16-05 03:03 PM
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23. IMHO, that is exactly what he's doing and I suspect he'll uncover
Edited on Wed Feb-16-05 03:05 PM by bush_is_wacko
some pretty astounding stuff. Kerry can get around the system pretty darn well. He won't give up on investigating just because they tell him not to. He NEVER has before, why should he start now?

I think the election was ALWAYS going to be fraudulent but I do agree THAT statement probably scared a few thugs into helping ensure a bush victory.

As far as the election goes. I really just don't think Kerry feels like that investigation should come from him. He may be giving pointers on any investigation, but I really don't think he is comfortable fighting a battle that he sees as ABOUT him. He doesn't want to be tied in any way to the investigation to avoid being accused of bias!

Investigating the money trail is more Kerry's style. He is very good at that. That is what led to the BCCI scandal and the Iran-Contra scandal. Ultimately the money trail he's investigating may ALSO tie in with election fraud but I'm sure he put someone else on THAT trail. That would be the prudent thing to do, to avoid the political fallout from an investigation done by the "loser" of an election. This seems plain as day to me and I really have a hard time figuring out why anyone can't see that.
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NationalEnquirer Donating Member (571 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-15-05 11:01 AM
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14. Thanks for the link! Will have to read later. n/t
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John Q. Citizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-15-05 09:54 PM
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19. Thanks, that's a compelling read....I found the rest of the book on line
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Amaryllis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-15-05 10:41 PM
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21. thanks!
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