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TruthIsAll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 10:37 PM
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Edited on Sun Jan-30-05 10:48 PM by TruthIsAll
You really did win.
Just like Gore did in 2000.
You won by 51-48%.

Bill Clinton has it all wrong.
You won the undecided vote, not Bush.
You were the challenger.
And challengers always win the undecided vote.

So, John, please, a favor..
Stop telling everyone you lost.
You don't have to say you won.
But please don't say you lost like you did today.

62 million voted for you.
They believed you had their back.
They thought they voted for democracy.
What do they have to show for it?

You should read what these professors have to say.
They are very concerned about this election.
They are concerned about our democracy.
So are the 62 million who voted for you.

Help us count the votes. ...

Josh Mitteldorf, Ph.D. - Temple University Statistics Department
Kathy Dopp, MS in mathematics - USCountVotes, President
Steven F. Freeman, PhD - Center for Organizational Dynamics, University of Pennsylvania
Brian Joiner, PhD - Prof. of Statistics and Director of Statistical Consulting (ret), University of Wisconsin
Frank Stenger, PhD in mathematics - School of Computing, University of Utah
Richard G. Sheehan, PhD - Department of Finance, University of Notre Dame
Elizabeth Liddle, MA - (UK) PhD candidate at the University of Nottingham
Paul F. Velleman, Ph.D. - Department of Statistical Sciences, Cornell University
Victoria Lovegren, Ph.D. - Department of Mathematics, Case Western Reserve University
Campbell B. Read, Ph.D., Professor Emeritus, Department of Statistical Science, Southern Methodist University

Also Peer Reviewed by USCountVotes core group of statisticians and independent reviewers.

Press Contact: Bruce O'Dell, USCountVotes, Vice President
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 10:47 PM
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1. Read this, Senator: it's true. We know it. Eventually, everyone
will know it.

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Melissa G Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-05 02:05 AM
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2. kick for Kerry to stop saying he lost n/t
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kster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-05 02:27 AM
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3. Yes you said
don't stop what you are doing thats what they want you to do ,they are counting on it. Well we didn't stop,just like you said,so please give us a nod when you are on T.V. For instance scratch you forhead with you thumb the next time you are on T.V. We are gonna keep informing the public,but a nod from you would surely rally the troops,like you wouldn't believe.
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LeahD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-05 03:31 AM
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4. Another sign
you could possibly give us, President Kerry....a little tug on the earlobe Carol Burnett style.
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tommcintyre Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-05 06:52 PM
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5. Hmmm... very good point
Whether he has a "master plan" (gathering evidence, striking at the "right" moment, etc.); I can think of no good reason why he would legitimize the theft by blaming Osama, etc. Every time some high profile Dem like him (Clinton, etc.) does this, they dig the hole a little deeper that those of us working on this have to dig out of. They diminish the chance of people even taking election reform (let alone fraud) seriously enough to cause the needed changes.

If anybody knows Kerry, please suggest to him that the next time someone asks him why he lost, he says something like:

"There are many factors that influence the outcome of an election; so I prefer not to speculate on what caused this particular outcome."

That should be sufficiently vague (noncommittal) for any politician - even a Senator. ;)
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Quakerfriend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-05 07:00 PM
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6. Thx TIA for saying it once again!
I still love JK. But, don't always understand his ways.
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PresidentObama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-05 07:04 PM
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7. So your saying we should have a President Kerry?
I wish Kerry would unconcede, but I don't think that will ever happen. Sorry!
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count_alucard Donating Member (105 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-05 07:47 PM
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8. you can't expect a dishonest person
to tell the truth. So stop dreaming about Kerry.
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dzika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-05 08:09 PM
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9. Kerry knows he won.
In his recent Meet the Press interview he had a much easier time describing the things that went right.

"We did some unbelievable things.
We raised more money than any Democratic campaign in history.
We involved more volunteers than any campaign in history.
I won more votes than any candidate on the democratic side has ever won in history.
I lost, Tim, to an incumbent president by a closer margin than an incumbent president has ever won re-election in the history of the country

AND if you add up the popular vote in the battleground states, I won the popular vote in the battleground states by 2 percentage points.

(begins smiling) We just didn't distribute it correctly in Ohio."

BUT blames his loss on 9-11? Lame excuse. He knows.
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-05 08:14 PM
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10. Agree. He knows. (nt)

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rdmccur Donating Member (622 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-05 10:16 PM
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11. Second that.
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Fly by night Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-05 11:11 PM
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12. Maybe if others could say "election theft" more easily, Kerry could too.
Like many of you, I do not wish for more nuanced verbiage from my President, John Kerry, about the coup that wrongly prevented the "consent of the governed" from being exercised in this country. But I can also say the same about many voices on our side of this issue, and that is very frustrating to me.

In the past month, we've had respected online journals publish analyses of the evidence in Ohio and concluded that it was all insufficient. (Fortunately, we had Dr. Freeman to respond to that piece of inanity quickly.) But then we had another respected progressive writer talk about the stupidity of the majority of the American people for electing Bush and about the election theft challenges being over in this country, when the American people -- in their wisdom -- did not elect Bush and the fight for
election justice has hardly just begun -- it ain't near over.

And just today, the "Not In Our Name" effort purchased full-page ads in major newspapers denouncing the Bush administration on many levels. See this related thread with a link to the ad:

As admirable as this ad was and as easy as it was for me to sign it for so many reasons, it still frustrated me that the ad mentions "... intimidating and disenfranchising thousands of African American and other voters..." when -- in truth -- it was 4.3 to 5.0 million votes stolen and perhaps another one to two million deterred from even being cast, much less counted. This is a full-page ad signed by a host of prominent progressives using language that says the election was not stolen. That should not happen, anytime anyone stands to speak for us.

This is one issue we all need to accelerate (in terms of more aggressive and open communication) and crystallize (in terms of understanding and acceptance) among the American people now, and we need to anticipate and support the expanding coverage that this story will receive. If we continue to work to "frame" this growing debate as one that should center -- at least in large part -- around a stolen election and Bush's disregard for the "consent of the governed", we will accomplish much. To minimize the consequences of the Repugs' onslaught on the voting process to "thousands" of votes impacted is wrong on so many levels, including that it is not reality-based.

Our reality isn't about a few thousand, it's about 250 million to one odds. It's about odds in the trillions for some combinations of disconnects between exit polls and the "reported" vote in many impacted states. It's about 4.3 million votes "... falling off the truck..." in Freeman's analysis. So whenever we choose to speak -- as individuals and as progressive organizations -- about the fundamental wrongheaded, cynical and soulless nature of our current "leader" (sic), I just hope and pray that we will always speak loudly and clearly the truth about this election theft and our collective demand for election justice. I would love to begin hearing it out of John Kerry's mouth, but I would also like to start hearing it out of the mouths of all of us, particularly those who represent themselves as speaking for many of us. To them I say again and again:

We want election reform AND election justice.
Justice for a clearly stolen election and the wrongness of illicit power,
Reform to bring action for justice and for a freer, more open process in the future.

It would be nice to hear John Kerry speaking the truth of the election theft. But, after all, we are the ones we have been waiting for. We should demand that all people tell the truth, whomever they are and whenever they presume to speak for us or about us. From now on, I want all of us to gently (or not) call out anyone who minimizes this election theft.

It's time to turn up the heat and tip the balance. Nothing like the truth to start a real blaze. We, the people, need to be doing what we are asking our leaders to do for us. And that includes knowing that there are millions of us who have each others' backs when it comes to our finally speaking truth to all powers and at all times as we take our country back.

Election Reform AND Election Justice -- it's just that simple.
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