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Wilms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 03:20 AM
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(AZ) 27,878 Provisional Votes thrown out.
Counties inconsistent in provisional-vote rules

By Tom Beal
ARIZONA DAILY STAR
29 January 2005

About 5 percent of Arizona's voters - 101,536 of them, to be exact - had some trouble voting in the 2004 election, and 27,878 of them had their "provisional" votes thrown out.

The No. 1 reason for ballot rejection is that voters went to the wrong polling place.

-snip-

The numbers are still being tabulated, but reports from 39 states, not including Arizona, show so far that 66 percent of all provisional ballots were counted, said Kay Stimson, communications director for the U.S. Election Assistance Commission, the agency created by Congress to monitor the act.

-snip-

Forcing the state to count those federal votes is the aim of a lawsuit filed after the 2004 election by the League of United Latin American Citizens, which claimed, among other reasons, that the law was not uniformly applied in Arizona.

-snip/more-

<http://www.votersunite.org/article.asp?id=4738 >
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garybeck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 03:23 AM
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1. here's the direct link to the article
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skids Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 03:34 AM
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2. Kerry versus Bush in the counties mentioned in the article.

FYI:

Kerry Bush
Gila: 8314 12313
Pinal: 27252 37006
Pima: 193128 171109
Maricopa: 504849 679455


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Democracy Died Donating Member (76 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 04:00 AM
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3. Nice to see Pima overwhemingly Democratic
As it should be. I planted the seeds of Democracy living in Tucson in '01-02.

:)
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loudsue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 04:25 AM
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4. Holy Shit!!! Did you read this statement from the article????
Edited on Sun Jan-30-05 04:28 AM by loudsue
From the Daily Star article:

"Tyne said federal law requires that anyone who shows up to vote must be given a provisional ballot, "but it doesn't say they can vote." He said Friday that he couldn't comment further because "we haven't received any complaints from candidates or voters. Should we receive a complaint on this issue, we will take action."

This guy thinks like a republican. Hmmm.... let me guess....

This is OUTRAGEOUS!!! If the federal law says that anyone that shows up to vote must be given a provisional ballot.... where does he get off thinking that it doesn't mean they can VOTE with that ballot, and that the ballot shouldn't COUNT??? What kind of frikkin' game does he think he's playing??

Does he think these ballots are supposed to be souvenirs?

Why can't they lock these people up and throw away the key???

:argh: :nuke: :argh: :nuke: :argh: :nuke:


:kick: :kick: :kick:
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Wilms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 04:50 AM
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5. Maricopa & Pima
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ISUGRADIA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 10:32 AM
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6. I worked in an Iowa election office and many provisional
ballots did not qualify to be counted. Most people had not bothered to register to votebefore the deadline maing them in eligible. And if a person is in the wrong precinct he could very well be voting for the wrong state rep or senator or other offices he is not qualified to vote for. Some responcibility has to come down on the voter.
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Igel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 12:11 PM
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7. So, did they check to see if those people whose addresses indicated
they were in the wrong precinct were actually registered?

Is it just that they were in the wrong precinct, but were otherwise qualified to vote (ignoring for now that they'd have voted for some offices they shouldn't have)? Or were they in the wrong precinct, and that was enough to kick them out of the running?
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ISUGRADIA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 02:32 PM
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11. Actually there were hardly any that were from people who were
in the wrong precinct that were otherwise qualified to vote. That is precinct officials told the person the correct precinct to vote at and the person went there.

. It was more of the case a person had moved from another county and wanted to vote at the precinct the currently lived in. If the person had not registered in the new county by the deadline the vote did not count even though they were registered in another Iowa County.

If a person in Iowa has moved, they can update the registraion as long as the person moved in the same county.


The main thing is under Iowa law for the vote to count the person must be voting in the precinct they currently live in. I currently live in MN and have seen how well same day reg works, Iowa should adopt it.

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Igel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 08:02 PM
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12. Tx.
I'm surprised they checked, but it's nice to know.

Iowa sounds a lot like New York as far as the election laws go.
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qwghlmian Donating Member (768 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 12:23 PM
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8. What he means, I am sure, is that not every
provisional ballot is guaranteed to be counted. For example, if you're not registered, and you come down to the poll and are given a provisional ballot, your vote will still not be counted.
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TR Fan Donating Member (160 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 01:19 PM
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9. If these numbers are accurate...
this is an effective rate of less than 1.5%. By nationwide standards, this is not particularly high.
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Wilms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 01:29 PM
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10. A rate anywhere near 1.5% seems unacceptable.
Lots of races are won on less of a margin.
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Igel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 08:14 PM
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13. In NY they're called
affadavit ballots. (It predates HAVA.)

People come in, say they're registered and are in the right precinct, and fill the thing out.

Some people aren't registered. They shouldn't vote. Or we should ignore the law and let anybody that comes in vote; but that's for the state elected legislature to decide. In any event, the provisional ballot is just that: provisional.

Some people aren't in the right precinct. They don't get to vote, either.

Some people are just missing from the poll book; humans are involved in assembling it, mistakes happen. Or they've changed names, or addresses within the precinct. Their vote counts.

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