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KaliTracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 12:25 AM
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??? How in the Hell can this be attributed to people wanting * for prez
Yet he has these kind of numbers in National Polls**?





give me a friggin' break!

**This is from http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/01/19/opinion/polls... and I did move one line over. There are MORE questions represented here.
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 12:42 AM
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1. That's because Bush supporters refuse to give their opinion.
They love their pResident, but don't want anyone to know it.
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KaliTracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 06:21 AM
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2. this was a different poll -- I appreciate your saracasm, but wonder
just why this isn't at least a semi-red flag for those who do this kind of work all the time. I know nothing about stats, but I can't imagine with such low percentages that * had over 3 million in the "popular" vote....
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tngledwebb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 07:03 AM
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3. Bright scarlet flag for- investigations and questions
and Dem filibustering and mass protests and whatever else it takes until this illegal regime ( and its propaganda branches in MSM ) are finally outed and sent to the World Court to be tried for terrorist acts, international war-crimes and two treasonous coups against the America people.

Not to mention the 3 million STOLEN votes, flipped from Kerry to *.
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KaliTracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 01:25 PM
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4. Anyone Hear Juan Williams on Morning Edition Today with Rove?
Two times he tried to bring up this (the entire, not just this part) of the after-election Poll and Rove said something like I have three polls that show people want Social Security Reform, we could talk numbers all day -- and again after Juan brought up the Above Percentages, Rove said We don't put weight in polls... (but don't they have a mandate? shouldn't this be reflective of that? NOT
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meganmonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 01:27 PM
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5. Heard that on my way to work
Rove is simply :puke:
That was the most annoying interview ever. He kept saying polls don't really mean anything, and then quoting polls. :eyes:
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organik Donating Member (217 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 08:41 PM
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6. So many odd things like this.
To me, it seems painfully obvious that this election was illegitimate. How do the pundits keep a straight face when they peddle their BS 24/7.

I could almost laugh at it if I could stop mourning the death of democracy.
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mark-in-cincy Donating Member (9 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-21-05 01:31 AM
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7. Rove might be more irritating than Bush....might.......
Yes, I heard part of it. Selective use of facts to justify Bush's political weight, like the highest Presidential vote ever, when all of us know (but not the Fox news listener) that Kerry got the second highest vote. Both figures, which anyone with any intelligence would find marginally impressive since 1) the population continues to grow every election cycle 2)The extreme polarization of the political parties kept people from voting in any significant numbers for third party candidates.

I heard that Rove reads Machiavelli on a regular basis for inspiration. Here's a story I found on another forum. Sounds very familar...



"Machiavelli wrote of a governor who was having trouble with civil unrest. He hired muscle to squash the disorder, and after, when the public became very unhappy with the gov't because of the hired gun, the governor had the guy slaughtered in a public square to show that it was the enforcer's actions, and not the interest of the gov't.

Kind like how Osama, Saddam and Noreaga were all once basically CIA employees."





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Carolab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-21-05 03:35 AM
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8. "Highest Presidential vote ever"?
Edited on Fri Jan-21-05 03:42 AM by Carolab
Bush was re-elected by the smallest margin in 100 years of those presidents who won a second term. His approval ratings this week are the lowest ever plumbed by any president at the date of his inauguration. (as written by the UK Guardian).

And for every poll Rove can produce showing people want Social Security "reform" I can produce one that shows they DON'T.

Why did Juan let him get away with this? Doesn't he know the facts? Or was he scared of the big, bad KKKarl?
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KaliTracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-21-05 07:43 AM
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10. Juan did try to come back to these after election numbers -- Rove
spouted the "popular" vote and that polls weren't worth while, and brushed him off again.
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jmknapp Donating Member (381 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-21-05 07:22 AM
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9. Polls sample everyone
But the election only sampled those who turned out, and managed to cast a vote.

That explains the difference between the election and opinion polls about Bush.

If the pollster were to put Democrats on hold for several hours before querying them, perhaps then the opinion poll would match the election result.
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